Greg Olsen in the Tight End Rankings
by Adam T on May 13, 2009 3:33 PM CDT
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SpotingNews.com has a list of the best TEs in the NFL. Greg Olsen shows up at #13:
13. Greg Olsen, Bears. There was no sophomore slump in '08. He showed great improvement and became a playmaker, particularly in the red zone, posting five touchdowns. After failing in several attempts to upgrade the wide receiver corps, Olsen remains the Bears' best and most reliable option in the passing game. His statistics are sure to improve with QB Jay Cutler
Do you think that is fair considering he hasn't been playing long? Those listed in front of him are:
1) Jason Witten
2) Tony Gonzalez
3) Dallas Clark
4) Kellen Winslow
5) Antonio Gates
6) Heath Miller
7) Owen Daniels
8) Chris Cooley
9) Todd Heap
10) Bo Scaife
11) Ben Watson
12) Zach Miller
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by Dane Noble on May 13, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I try mebest.
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Considering the wide range of thoughts in another thread…this could get interesting.
by Mike Mueller on May 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
A kid in my TV Prod class can do an impression perfectly.
Made for an interesting morning show one day.
Not much to argue with
Greg Olsen seems like he is on his way to a good career. But he needs to prove it on the football field first. I can’t quibble much with any of those 12 names ahead of him on that list. Not right now at least.
Didn't I just read something about Todd Heap
being on the bubble with the Ravens? Maybe I just imagined it, but I thought there was something to that affect during the draft coverage. Outside of that I’d say it’s a pretty good list.
yeah
the new coaching staff there isn’t very highof him and were looking to trade him. Back in the day, “The Stormin’ Mormon” was a solid TE. These days, not so much.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
No way
Heap is one that sticks out for me, because he hasn’t shown any ability to stay on the field. I’m not so sure on Miller or Watson either. Wow, it must be difficult to get open in a spread offense with Moss, Welker, and Brady throwing the ball.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
That was one guy I had questions about
he’s still a pretty good blocker, but he’s a shell of his former self. Watson also had a terrible year last year, but he was a pretty solid pass catching threat. He’s got a lot of competition this year, though.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
I think Greg is better than Todd Heap and Ben Watson
I think in a year or two Greg Olsen will be amongst the elite tight ends in the league. He has tremendous potential!
To me
that’s why he’s just about right at #13. Not an elite TE yet, but certainly with a high potential to become one (esp. with an elite QB to throw to him).
by Steve Ronkowski on May 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Good except
The only one I’d put him ahead of is Ben Watson, who has always been athletic (chasing down Champ Bailey) but has never been as productive as projected.
"It is what it is." - Bill Belichick
One good year?
I’d take Olsen over half of the group rated ahead of him.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Bo Scaife, Todd Heap, Ben Watson...
Yeah that makes sense…Tenesse has no passing game, Heap is always injuried, plus they just signed L.J. Smith, Watson is the number one TE in a system that rarely uses the TE…
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
By the numbers
Olsen should be somewhere in the latter portion of the top-10 or very worse 11 or 12 based on these stats.
10th in receptions
12th in yards
7th in TDs (5)
btw- Zach Miller only had 1 TD; that should drop him past Greg.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Worse QB Play
Than the Bears in his career.
by Sam Householder on May 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Miller is also in a much more worse situation than Olsen
if we’re talking fantasy options, then I’d probably take Olsen, but Miller has proven to be a more proven player than Olsen. He’s a pretty good blocker and is Russell’s safety net. Even though he only had 1 TD, he did have 56 catches and a YPC average of about 14. He was BY FAR the best receiver on a poor Oakland team and should get even more looks this season. I remember after the draft, hearing a lot of experts say that they’d prefer Miller over Olsen. At this point Miller is the better player.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
Good points
Although I wouldn’t call the Bears offensive situation much better.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Seriously?
As bad as our offense was last year, it was still MUCH better than Oakland’s. I don’t think there was a worse offense in the NFL last year.
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
The article is flawed
It would have been better if it were broken down according to the permutations stated in the beginning.
“The tight end position has many permutations in today’s NFL. There is the traditional in-line player, the tight end who splits out wide, the shifting tight end and the tight end/fullback hybrid better known as an H-back.”
Although they attempted to qualify their rankings with the last statement:
“The best are those who can impact the passing game and do enough as a blocker to be an every-down player.”
As someone here has stated a time or two before, “that one had potential” “-1”
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if dallas clark played on a team with a normal qb
he would not be on that list. he made his bones playing 3rd or 4th option for one of the only qbs in the league who can consistently find that guy.
along with that considering that reggie wayne and marvin harrison were options 1 and 2, even i could get open.
I think I could only fairly move him up 3 spots
So I am OK with it but I love Olsen so I am probably biased.
by Sam Householder on May 13, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions
Yup!
Agree with most of the above. Olsen has exceptional receiving skills and speed that someone like Cutler will exploit even more, … however, to move up to the elite class, he also needs to considerably improve his blocking skills in order to evolve into an elite “Every Down” TE.
oh i'll come out and say it (this aughta be good)
i would take Boldin over every single guy on that list. and it’s not even close
I bet you were that kid in grade school
who would throw spitballs at someone when they weren’t looking, and play it off like it wasn’t you.
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You have to give him props for
continuing his arguement. No quit attitude, you gotta like that.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you spelled "oughta" wrong
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
How Come?
Why is it when ever there is a good thread going, someone feels compelled to start talking about how big it is when he gets up in the morning????
by pete banachi on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Some minor quibbles
I’d have Tony Gonzales at 1 and Clark at 2. I don’t see Witten putting up big numbers without the threat of TO protecting him, so he’s probably 3rd. I’d move Gates to 4th and Miller to 5th, putting Winslow at 6th. Cooley would move ahead of Daniels, and we’ve only seen this one really good year from Daniels, so I see a big drop-off between Cooley at 7 and him at 8. Then I’ve gotta put our boy Greg Olsen at 9, showing just how weak the TE position at the NFL is.
But those are just my thoughts :\
Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.
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dallas clark is not that good
des clark would catch 50 passes a year if he played with manning.
If my memory serves me right,
didn’t one of our guys knock the shit out of him two or three years ago. It’s great, every time I hear his name I think about that.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 13, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have rated him a little higher.
He will at least be in the top 7 after this year. My prediction.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 13, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
Top 3 is Gonzalez, Gates, Witten in any order.
After that, you could put the next 8 guys in a hat to pick the order. They’re all flawed and have similar stats. Even though Winslow has a serious injury past, lets put him 4th because when healthy he’s real good. The rest:
D. Clark: 77r 848 yds last year, but only 58 catches the year before. Lots of TD’s, but Peyton Manning will do that for you. 11 ypc not that great.
H. Miller: 48r, 514yds, 3tds is nothing special
T. Heap: 35r, 403yds, 3tds, not good, only 23 catches the year before.
Z.Miller: 56r, 778yds, 1td, but yes high ypc at 13.9. Year before though was pretty pedestrian (44r, 444yds, 3td), but he’s a 3rd year guy only and has had really bad QBs.
B.Scaife: 58r, 561yds, 2tds, 9.7 ypc, similar stats the year before.
O.Daniels: 70r, 862tds, 2tds, 12.3 ypc. Year before good too 63r, 768yds, 3tds.
C.Cooley: 83r, 849yds, 1td. Big jump from 66 and 57 catches previous 2 years. But had lots more TD’s in previous years.
So that leads me to Olsen’s numbers: 54r, 574 yds, for 10.6ypc & 5tds. His numbers don’t vault him high up the list because he does share time with Dez Clark.
I guess I put Olsen right after Daniels, Cooley, & Clark and maybe Z.Miller. He’s ahead of Scaife, Heap, H.Miller and Watson for sure though.
by Mike Mueller on May 13, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
just to show you i'm not such a bad guy...
i am going to WRECK (rec) this post.
i agree 100%
at least you can see through the Dallas Clark BS.
And he went to Iowa. Nothing good comes from Iowa.
lmao
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are you a hawkeye?
if so, you do realize that people born and raised in Iowa get a tiny tiny tiny pass, only because they didn’t chose to be born there. if you were born illinois but chose to go to Iowa…
It's a minor issue
I think from about #6 on down the guys really aren’t separated by much. You could arrange most of those guys in almost any order and you’d be able to make some case for it.
I think Olsen’s towards the top of that group, but I don’t know that he’s truly separated himself from the pack yet. He does have that potential, though.
Just has to earn it, I agree.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Olsen will get there..
Cooley and Watson both had terrible seasons last year though. Every Sunday during Fantasy I cursed Campbell for not getting it to Cooley enough!
by Ditka,Sausage,Bears on May 13, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
no way not 13
those last 4 guys are so are not better than olsen. scaife wasnt good and that is saying something because tenn, who had a supposedly good qb in collins ha ha ha, had no real pass game. it was almost always run. and the others i dont think they were any better. i agree with most of you who thought that olsen should be higher for whatever reason im just not sure how much higher. te is a very little used position unless a team has no wrs. which is a shame because a good te is like a wr on steroids basically. jus slower and bulkier. but i definitely do not agree with these ratings at all.
Wait, why isn't Ditka on this list?
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on May 13, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lmao.
+1
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This article has 0 credibility
because Vernon Davis is not ranked, yet Brandon Pettigrue(Sp?) is. that and Dallas Clark sucks.
Hmmm....
Dallas Clark: 77 receptions, 848 yds, and 6 TD’s
Vernon Davis: 31 receptions, 358 yds, and 2 TD’s
Clark also started one less game than Davis did. Vernon Davis is a bust so far in his career and does not deserve to be ranked.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
yeah you're right. Vernon Davis even has Peyton Manning throwing to him
oh wait,
he doesn’t .
You're right
That’s why Davis sucks right now and Clark doesn’t. Don’t hate on the guy BECAUSE he has Manning throwing to him. I’ll agree w/ your post that if you put him on another team he probably wouldn’t be as successful, but the fact of the matter is……. Manning is still throwing to him.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
Plus, as much crap as Davis has caught lately,
it is important to remember that TEs aren’t utilized much in a Mike Martz scheme. True, Davis has been a knuclehead in the past, but he was also in a system that wouldn’t utilize him.
This year will be different… I would have to think that it is put up or shut up time for Davis (if they can figure out the QB situation).
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I actually like Davis
I think he could be a beast if utilized correctly, the only problem is he hasn’t been up to this point. His ‘07 season wasn’t horrible but the ‘08 season was. I agree this is his year to prove what he’s made of.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
look at it this way.
Dallas Clark drops many passes in the post-season. And Brandon Pettigrew has out-ranked Davis w/o playing a snap.
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