Orton Overthrowing Royal is a Good Thing?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 5, 2009 7:33 PM CDT
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PrintIn a Yahoo sports May 4th article titled “Denver ’s coach and quarterback in this together”, Charles Robinson writes;
‘It could have been perceived as a negative moment, but Josh McDaniels saw more promise than virus. The Denver Broncos coach watched wideout Eddie Royal blister a path between a safety and cornerback 50 yards downfield, stretching his arms out in the end zone. But the arching spiral from quarterback Kyle Orton was inches too far, dropping to the earth with the thud of a manhole cover.’
Now I was an Orton guy, really I was, I rooted for him to succeed, and I was looking forward to his play in 2009, but I wasn’t looking forward to a scene like the one above.
‘Kyle’s arm,” the coach would later pointedly say, “was strong enough to overthrow Eddie Royal today.” … So when told of critics inside the Bears franchise who lacked faith in Orton’s arm strength, McDaniels simply protested and offered Sunday’s snapshot, when his fastest wideout couldn’t catch up to Orton’s deep ball.’
No one ever questioned Orton’s arm strength (he overthrew Devin Hester on more than one occasion), it was his deep ball accuracy that was the question mark. Bears fans saw Orton miss deep passes time and time again last year, occasionally getting bailed out by a pass interference penalty, sometimes getting bailed out by some acrobatic plays by Brandon Lloyd (probably the first time any Bears fan had something nice to say about Lloyd's tenure in Chicago), but Bronco fans, for your sake, I hope Orton’s overthrowing days are over.
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It's a very good thing
Cause it means he’s NOT overthrowing Hester, Clark, or Olsen :)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay
not true
No one ever questioned Orton’s arm strength
it was defiantely questioned here last off season. but you are right, orton did overthrow hester more than once.
Lol.
But was it because of Orton’s arm strength, or because Hester didn’t run the route correctly? I could see Orton over-throwing Hester on a 40 yards-or-less route maybe…
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this is so sad
McDaniels: See, guys! It’s not so bad. We’re gonna be just fine with Kyle! Look at how he overthrows his receivers! Just perfect!
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
Mc Daniels quote from the same story
"The distance you throw the ball down the field, to me at times it can be very overrated," he said. "I’m worried about accuracy. I’m concerned with them reading the plays the right way, getting it to the people that need to have it on time. For the amount of times you throw the ball 60 yards in a season, I think that’s significantly overrated, unless you’re a team that’s going to throw 10 of those passes a game, which we’re not."
Ahh…Chicago welcome to Cutler having a favorite target and forcing the ball in no matter how small the window. You’ll get your share of big plays as well as big interceptions.
We already had the interceptions anyway
We’ll take the big plays.
I've read mostly respect for Orton
here on this site. I don’t think anyone expects him to be a franchise QB, but he seams to have left Chicago with most fans hoping he does well. Denver fans don’t have quite the same respect for Cutler. Cutler has more talented from the neck down, but with absolutely no pass rush he still made a bunch of stupid throws. Treat him like a prima dona, tell him he has a better arm the Elway’s, and if things don’t go his way, watch him cry and whine like my 9 year old daughter.
What I fine funny...
is that before he asked to be traded everyone loved Cutler, he was called the next big thing, Brett Favre ten years ago, and I remember him being called a great leader and teammate. But now he is considered overrated, a bad guy, a prima dona. He was even called the biggest baby in Denver history by Mark Schlabbah, the guy who has a gay crush on Elway. WOW, make up your mind. On Mike and Mike this morning Mike(the one who’s the Jets Fan) was talking to Trent Dilfer, and Dilfer was talking about how impressed he was with Sanchez’s accuracy on the move and said he was already a top five guy at that skill, then Mike said “Jay Cutler’s the best at that, right”, and Dilfer had to basically force out a “yeah, he’s up there,” then started talking about how good Sanchez was again. Then when Dilfer was asked “Who would you take if you could have any QB under 30 to build your franchise around.” And he responded Phillip Rivers, and called him a true football player, a mature man, and a great teammate. I’m sorry wasn’t it just last year that River’s was cussing out opposing teams fans, real mature. When Elway said it was the saddest day in Bronco’s history when Cutler was traded, and Shannon Sharpe said McDaniels should be fired for forcing the trade, you know there is something to Cutler, and it’s not him being a prima dona.
besides if demanding a trade makes you a prima dona
how aren’t eli manning and jon elway considered prima donas?
Also Dilfer himself...
he told the Colts that he wouldn’t play for them and that he wouldn’t sign so they shouldn’t bother drafting him, prima dona move.
I don't remember that...
… but if that was the case, HILARIOUS!! That kettle is black!!
Cutler has a way of raising expectations
but so far in both his college and pro careers hasn’t fulfilled them. He is Favre like in a lot of ways. He’ll amaze you with great plays, but throw a lot of interceptions. He’ll bring a lot of Favre like drama. Bronco fans are upset with both Cutler and Mc Daniels. Orton earned respect in Chicago, Cutler earned disdain from Bronco fans. He has all the tools physically, maybe he will mature and win a team a superbowl someday just be careful with him until then.
One man alone doesnt a ballclub make
if he wasnt forced to throw it 35 times a game cause the defense sucked he wouldnt have forced so many passes. The kid is good, had a bad defense, hes gone, now get over it. Enough with the name calling, whos the baby here.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on May 5, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre had three MVPs in a row
I think the Favre – Cutler comparison is a good one is some ways. Favre won three mvps and a super bowl. I’d take that. Any day of the week. Twice on Sundays.
Wouldn't they all be on Sundays?
hah! okay, most of them anyway.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Your wrong,
What I fine funny…
is that before he asked to be traded everyone loved Cutler, he was called the next big thing, Brett Favre ten years ago, and I remember him being called a great leader and teammate. But now he is considered overrated, a bad guy, a prima dona.
The only thing I know first hand is about Cutler being kicked off a golf course, but I have heard many other stories. His attitude was that he should be able to get away with anything. You should remember in the news, he got upset that he was not consulted about Shanahan being fired. Like they are to consult an employee before they fire the CEO. You know where it went from there.
Also, did you realize that Orton’s passer rating was only 6% below Cutlers last year. Cutler had 3 premier receivers and one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Beside playing hurt, what did Orton have? Cutler’s fun to watch but he’ll break your heart.
missing Cutler
So you think Orton will help you forget Cutler? Get back to us after the season on that one.
by lookingdeadred on May 10, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Two things:
1) The reply button called and misses you.
2) I am a big Orton supporter and I do wish him well, but it doesn’t mean I’m clueless as to his weaknesses. I could care less what Denver fans think of Cutler, and for all the reasons chase17 mentions. Also, go to the Chicago Tribune and take a look at what Bowlen said. He’s suffering from “short term memory loss.” Hmm….
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
I found it!
Sorry, I guess I was suffering from a bit of short term memory loss. It happens to a lot of us as we gray. I came here to find out more about Orton and glad I did. You’ve watch Orton for a while, as have we Cutler. If you care less what we think of Cutler then your putting your head in the sand. Maybe he will mature, maybe he’ll hold out and demand to be traded when his contract expires.
That's fine
If sticking my head in the sand = being objective and actually waiting to see how he does with our team and how he reacts, then I guess I’m the biggest damn idiot in the world. Shame on me, huh?
I'M A MAN! I'M 22!
yes shame on you
and where was this guy after the trade when all the guys from MHR came over and had mostly good things to say about Jay and started asking about KO then. I guess we all have had our heads in the sand cause all im seeing is some bitter ass people who should be mad at their coach for thinkin hes such hot, u know. Up until Josh Mcmoron came on the seen Jay was a god send in Denver. And by the way Phillip Rivers is the stuck up jerk who needs to do the growing up. With a much better team then Jay what has he done, I dont see him wiht a Superbowl ring.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on May 5, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I missed the objectivity was it “At least Cutler can get the ball past 15 yards accurately.”?
What on earth are you attempting to acheive by being here?
You’re not going to damper our enthusaism for Cutler. We’re excited to have the guy, even if he’s “immature” in your opinion.
I liked Kyle Orton. We were at Purdue at the same time. He gave me a lot of good memories in college and later when he joined my beloved Bears, he did what he could to help the team. I hope he finds a good place with good fans who appreciate him.
But I’m thrilled to finally have a TOP talent playing quarterback. What he does with that talent is up to him and the coaching staff, but for the first time in my lifetime: the Bears have an opportunity to win BECAUSE of their quarterback. Not inspite of him or with him merely managing the game.
So, why are you here? To poo-poo our trade? To find out more about KO, in which case ask, we’d be glad to tell you what we saw. Otherwise, you’re coming across as a jerk (whether you’re meaning to or not).
kind of felt the same way about ChiFan13
whether he meant to or not. I won’t spoil your excitement anymore.
we're all guilty of doing it...
i, myself, often wander outside the confines of the WCG…and yes i admit, sometimes to ruffle some feathers. i think that it’s all about a common respect. but you better keep your “game” tight cuz we shut people up with “football” around these parts. remember, ignorance is bliss… that’s what the cowboys post is for.
LOL
Yeah I’ve kind of (accidently:) found my way onto MHR to calm down some of the Orton love there and let them know how bad McDaniels really screwed things up but yeah you better know what you speak of when who stumble on to other team’s site because you can be ambushed. LOL. It’s all in good fun, just be respectful.
Well the thing is
ChiFan is our jerk. (Just kidding!) But we know his tone and like/respect him.
You’re new. New jerks don’t go over well.
You don’t have to leave. Just tell us what you’re after. More KO info? Ask away. To give your opinion on Cutler? Thats great too. We’ve had several Bronco fans come over and tell us what they saw from him.
by Allie on May 6, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
WRECKED!
You’re new. New jerks don’t go over well.
Pure comedy Gold. Bravo.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
Accuracy
It’s always been his deep-ball accuracy, and not his arm-strength (at least IMO). There were many times where Kyle threw strikes to his receivers in the middle of the field, post-corner, etc.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
I like Kyle... and I think he'll do fine.
I’m guessing that part of the deep ball accuracy problems were cause by not having developed that timing and chemistry yet with his WRs. he had to share snaps in a QB battle last camp, and was throwing deep to Hester (who was learning on the job).
Now, he’s throwing deep to new guys again… they just have to develop chemistry.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I think either you can throw it or you can't.
By week 15 he was getting bailed out by pass int calls. His accuracy on the deep ball was his knock out of college and it still is. It’s not so much that he has to be John Elway, flinging it all over the place, but when a guy is inconsistent like he was, it starts to effect play calling and actually takes away options on the field. I think the happiest guy on the field this year will be Forte because he won’t have to get all those RAC yards from catching “safe” passes from Orton because he couldn’t trust his arm to get the ball down field.
Yeah accuracy is his issue for sure
anything past about 20 yards, not even the 40 that was mentioned, was ugly. Either behind the receivers or too high or whatever. 20 and under and hes great but for a team that needs hte home run playin from behind with no defense like Denver will be, dont expect that home run often.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on May 6, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thought I would post this for you guys from the DN
It won’t matter The Vikings could start Brett Favre, Bret Michaels, Bret Hart, or the corpse of Brett Summers (R.I.P.) at QB in 2009 and they’d still be a better team than the Chicago Bears.
I thought that was made pretty clear last year when the Vikings made the playoffs and the Bears sat at home with their thumbs in their asses with their fans yapping about how they were still a better team than the Vikings.
Whoever the QB is for the Vikings in 2009, they’ll be the starting QB of the best team in the NFC North. Absolutely nothing that’s happened in the NFC North since January should lead anyone to believe differently.
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by Gonzo on May 6, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody should E-mail this to Pat Mannely
this is class A bulletin board material
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That get's a WRECK
just because you mentioned the MVP.
The Queens better be careful what they wish for. Although I’d kinda like to see Bret Hart on an artificial knee QBing the Vikes.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
LOL
Childress would never have a word to say to him about throwing a pick, we’d get a TV shot of him on the sidelines being put in the sharpshooter. then the Vikes would have to chance their colors to hot pink.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
You think Jim The Anvil would come out and be the full back! :)
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
I liked this one too, from the same Idiot...
Some more questions Can the Bears win without getting between 8 and 10 lucky special teams bounces per game?
Has Charles Tillman figured out where the hell Bernard Berrian went to yet?
Has the Bears offense figured out how to move the ball forward 6 inches on first and goal from inside the 1? They sure as hell didn’t know how to when the playoffs were on the line last year, did they?
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Peanut is still looking for BB...
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the vikings have neve mattered
in their entire history. that isn’t changing now.
I hate the Vikings
as much as Travis Henry hates condoms, I hope they get Farve, so he can do even worse than last year, it would be amazing if they finished dead last because even Detroit improved and they barely lost twice to them…then we’ll see how much “yapping” their fans do
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by ThorCo on May 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holy Jesus
The Travis Henry comment made me laugh hard. I liked Brett but one un-retirement should be enough for anybody (Jordan).
!
Jordan had 2 I believe...
But he’s immune to that rule. He could make a comeback tomorrow and I would still want him on my team.
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by gridiron_assassin on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
or at the breakfast bar...
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 7, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
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