Where Will Jarron Gilbert and Henry Melton Play?
by Adam T on May 6, 2009 9:41 AM CDT
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PrintWe can debate whether we have the right guys or the best guys, but taking 2 defensive linemen with two of our first two picks means we have enough guys. The question is where do newly drafted Jarron Gilbert and Henry Melton fit?
Last year the Bears carried 9-10 linemen. They currently have 13 on the roster.
Here is how the time was split last year:
TOTAL DEFENSIVE PLAYS: 1,111 TACKLE Tommie Harris 623 plays, 56.08 percent, 14 games, 13 starts, Israel Idonije 475, 42.75 percent, 16 games, 1 start Marcus Harrison 419, 37.71 percent, 16 games Dusty Dvoracek 401, 36.09 percent, 12 games, 12 starts Anthony Adams 300, 27.00 percent, 9 games, 4 starts Adewale Ogunleye 878, 79.02 percent, 16 games, 16 starts Alex Brown 853, 76.78 percent, 16 games, 16 starts Mark Anderson 490, 44.10 percent, 16 games This article guesses with Israel Idonije moving back out to end and Marcus Harrison spending time at nose tackle that leaves room for Gilbert at tackle. If Mark Anderson takes the next step that could cause a problem getting Melton in. Biggs suggests that lessening the time Alex Brown and Adewale Ogunleye are in the line up will keep them fresh. I'm not interested in seeing Brown on the field less, but Wale has been under fire for a few years now. He hasn't lived up to the numbers we've been expecting since getting him from Miami a number of years back and he has a nice size contract. If they decide to they could use Melton there and start phasing Ogunleye out.
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Wale will probably up his play given his contract situation
If that doesn’t motivate him to seek one last big payday, nothing will.
I wholeheartedly concur
He understands this upcoming contract will be his last payday in the NFL. I foresee at least 10-12 sacks, with several tackles for losses, and a couple forced fumbles this season.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
It's just a shame some players don't give their best effort for the whole contract.
Hopefully they release his a$$ regardless of what he does this year. I’m fed up with huge contracts given to players who dog it except in the contract year, especially on the Bears. Look for Haynesworth to be an enormous flop at Washington.
I agree with your premise,
but I don’t know if AH is a good example. He seems to enjoy punishing people, enjoy playing the game. Then again, he could play at 80% and still be a beast, so who knows…
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Hmmm...
… I think you might see the end of Adawale Ogunleye in Chicago after this season. maybe even BEFORE.
I think the Bears are banking on Mark Anderson stepping up this offseason and one of two rookies coming into their own next season (Melton).
I also think the Bears will cut Dusty Dvoracek this offseason.
You?
If the Bears history is a gauge...
for what will happen. I say you are dead on. Except IMO Ogun will play in a Bears uniform this year for sure.
Don't worry about number of snaps.
Rotation, rotation, rotation!
They’re most concerned about having the motors running at full speed on passing downs… and especially on 3rd downs. And, that’s where Marinelli comes in: to get the most out of these guys.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Also....
in the post-draft press conference, Jerry Angelo said they altered their philosophy a bit when they made the selections of the Gilbert and Melton.
They went for overall athletic talent level and ceiling, instead of maybe other guys who were more experienced and technically sound. They want athletes who they think can make big plays on 3rd down. Third down was a major, major criteria for them this year. And, it appears they’re confident in their coaching staff (Marinelli et all), to develop these exceptional athletes and get impact plays out of these guys on 3rd down.
Angelo also said they altered their draft philosophy a bit with Johnny Knox. In year’s past, they may have not made that selection. But, with Cutler on board, it kind of changes everything.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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JA's looking for Athletic Ability
So he can spread Danieal Manning Syndrome to elsewhere on the team…
by Sam Householder on May 6, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately the Bears roster is loaded with athletes without a position.
Playing musical chairs will guarantee mediocrity rather than excellence. Leave players in one position so they can get comfortable and grow into it.
Ah..
That is called DMS (Daniel Manning Syndrome). I didn’t name it, but will certainly buy it!!
My depth chart
DT. Harris, Adams Backing up: Harrison, Gilbert
DE. Brown, Ogun Backing up: Anderson, Idonije, Melton
sorry Dusty
Couldn't agree more
about Brown. I have a feeling that is going to be the best point I’m going to hear all day. “I’m not interested in seeing Brown on the field less”. Me either, he was the only bright spot on the line last year and he is a beast against the run.
with 3 soon to be free agents at DE I could see 1 fased out to get Melton snaps if he looks good in pads,
and Dusty has to go, Adams played better than Dusty last year anyway
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 6, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
I think
they need to decide if they are going to bring Wale and/or Anderson back early in the season, and if not, give Melton as many reps as possible.
One of my criticisms with this regime is that they don’t get looks at their young guys until the guys they are to replace are already gone. By that time, the player has no playing experience, and the team has no idea if they will work out.
I’d like to see Melton, in particular, get a lot of playing time this year and not get “red-shirted” as they often do, so we don’t go into next season having no clue whether we have a need at such a crucial position.
DEJESUS!!!
One of my criticisms with this regime is that they don’t get looks at their young guys until the guys they are to replace are already gone. By that time, the player has no playing experience, and the team has no idea if they will work out.
Absolutely spot on. I have a suspicion that this had more to do with Earl Bennett not receiving any significant playing time last year than any real inability to be better than Rasheid Davis.
The coaching staff is inconsistent
Lovie always seems to be so concerned about t some players’ feelings to the point where he won’t replace them when they don’t perform. Rex and Rashied are the perfect examples. Then there are other situations like the whole Mark Anderson thing where they replaced Alex Brown even though he has been our most consistent DL in years and, if memory serves, he was a ProBowl alternate the year before they named Anderson the starter.
Obviously, I want the Bears to succeed, but there’s part of me that wants to see this coaching staff screw up again and finally be launched.
I agree whole heartedly.
Hopefully he takes on more of a Ditka type attitude this year. Sit a player if he isn’t producing, chew some ass if a player makes a stupid mistake, show some fire when an official makes a wrong call. I don’t think we will see that, but it would be nice. As far as Alex Brown, you are right on the money.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 6, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see where you are going with that.
Definitely like the fire and passion for the game. The way it is suppose to be played and coached. Like our Defense has been in the past. The list of names seems endless when talking about the Monsters no doubt and the hitter’s that we have had. I am happy about where the team is going with offense, I just want to see our guys get back to the F-U, smash mouth, beat the hell out of the other guys type of defense we are all accustomed to. If we get back to that kind of mentality on our defense and our offense is half as good as I think it will be, hell yeah…beers are on me boys!!! I believe a coach brings that out in players and Lovie did it our Super Bowl year. I have to give Ron Rivera alot of kudos for that as well. Eventhough I can’t stand Pittsburgh, Cowher has that mentality and you can’t knock him for that. I hope that Lovie really takes over our defense this season like he is suppose to and makes everyone step up to their GOD given talent. Wow I miss Rivera.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 6, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yah, me too...
i hope lovie can get that spark back because i really do think his job depends on it. but, it was more of a mental side note… kinda like “shanahan to re-unite with quarterback”. this is in no way a smear lovie campaign, i just believe it to be inevitable if our defense fails this year.
I could see the Bears carrying 9 on the roster
and 2(probably Melton and Baldwin) on the practice squad. I think the depth chart will be something like this:
RDE: Ogunleye, Anderson, Gilbert
LDE: Brown, Gilbert, Idonije
DT: Harris, Harrison, Gilbert
NT: Dvoracek, Adams, Harrison
I think the Bears are very happy with Dvoracek when healthy and will use Idonije only 1 more year, mostly for his Special Teams play. That leaves Toeaina and Clermond/Baldwin as final roster cuts this preseason.
No way in hell Melton is put on the PS
I don’t wanna bash your idea but if JA drafted a player with our 3rd pick and then puts him on the PS his first year he is truly an ass. I’m sure at least one team in the league would sign him in a heartbeat just for his athleticism alone. I can actually see us carrying 10 D-linemen into the season, if not Dvoracek HAS to go.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
I agree..
we spent a third on him and let’s use him. Bye, bye, Dusty. I think Melton is definitely a good prospect. Dusty has had his chance, put him on the practice squad.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 6, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot other teams can steal from your practice squad
There should be a way to protect your development projects like Melton; who has really only played 2 collegiate seasons as DE. Perhaps Idonije will be released this year, I think there is a much better chance of that than Dvoracek being cut.
Respectfully disagree
Idonije provides ST versatility and I don’t believe Dusty does. With all of Chicago’s Draft picks and free agent acquisitions this off season, it will be difficult for most non-starters to make the roster unless they contribute on ST.
Idonije is a beast on ST.
I can’t see them getting rid of him. Have to say that I like Adams better than Dusty.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 7, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad, you're right.
Our third selection.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I say trade em now
dusty,oluglyguy, and rasheed to whoever for whatever. preferably mid round picks next year, or an experienced WR who can catch, or a combo of both. then pick up some of the solid backups that are avail in FA.
If you live in Chicago you are a bears fan, if you move from chicago you stay a bears fan, if you move to chicago you will be a bears fan.
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