Vegas Line: Chicago at 8 Wins
by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 2:38 PM CDT
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Now for the crazy number of the day, and from people who are usually spot-on accurate... the Vegas line has put the over/under wins number for Chicago at 8. Trading for a franchise QB, and they see us with one less win than a season ago with Orton at the helm. The oodsmakers also have the Vikings and Packers at 8.5 wins, and the Lions at 5.
Windy City Gridiron does not advocate gambling, but I am curious as to your thoughts to these numbers. Are there really any people out there that wouldn't take the over on this?
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Me too!
With their schedule, they should win a minimum of 9-10 games.
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by propheteer on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over, hopefully way over
I do hope we aren’t putting to much pressure on Cutler though. I assume he won’t be throwing as much in our offense as he did last year. Just hope he and fans remember that every throw isn’t going to be for 6pts.
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Windy City Gridiron does not advocate gambling, but
:)
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by ChiFan13 on May 6, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but I am curious as to your thoughts to these numbers
:)
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Windy City Gridiron does not advocate gambling, but
But I do! Give me the over.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they see Urlacher and kreutz getting older.
The DE’s still ineffectual. The team getting very lucky a few times last year. Absolutely no safeties and teams can now plan for that. A lot of young guys. ZERO wide receiver stability right now.
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by tyger1147 on May 6, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aw come on tyger
ZERO wide receiver stability right now.
We have Devin Hester :D
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by ChiFan13 on May 6, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that
Seems like I’ve heard a lot lately about Urlacher being old, really though he is only 30 I think? Hopefully he just had a couple off years, superbowl hangover, a nagging injury and ex girlfriend and he’ll be back to form this year. Kreutz does seem to have slipped a little. Still he is one of my favorite Bears, currently on the team. I think that he is 31?
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next person that says 30 is old...
I’m going to throttle them with a phone book.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in human years?
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah 30 is old in Dog years.
Everybody knows that.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, my dog wasn't old enough to see that age
the gator got her.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you get his eye.
Damn gators.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I but this is what happened(I love telling this) this happened in '98
so the guys fished it out of the retention pond in my back yard. it was twelve feet long. it had part of it’s right claw missing as if it was chewed ofrf. One of the guy’s said it looked as if a dog did it.
so I’m in my high school chorus class in 2003 and we take a trip to Busch Gardens in Tampa. there’s a section where they keep the reptiles for viewing pleasures. Low and behold, who do I see? A gator with part of it’s right claw gone. I was so Pissed
Ktown was even more pissed, hanging over the rails, screaming, “YOU SONOFABITCH! YOU KILLED MY DOG!” I just remember thinking " I thought these animals are born and raised in captivity" Bullshit!
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how was Glee club?
I've officially adopted #94 Marcus Harrison!
by scespy12 on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair to me
I think Teddy Bruschi is like 36 or something
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 wins?
At the halfway mark… right?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 6, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
LOL
You can write that you wrecked something but you actually have to do it for it to count! :)
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
Since you typed that, I just figured out how to do it. I had no idea before, and kept trying to figure out what it meant when I saw it. Thanks
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
Gave me a good laugh! I don’t know how to engreenate a post so I’m not that smart either! :)
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 wrecks = engreenination.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I know the critera for it
but how do you actuall make it green?
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's automatic.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok
I didn’t know that. I had wrecked a comment the 3rd time and I left and came back and it was green so I just assumed that someone had done it for me. I like automatic things that’s just awesome. I bow to your knowledge sir.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a sec
I thought ya’ll needed somebody to engreeniate sacks comment. Oh well, I don’t take wrecks back.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Nevermind, don’t explain.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have a hard time trying to.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on May 6, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never take a wreck back
and I know what you were saying. For some strange reason I actually get what you’re saying most of the time.
Because as far as we're concerned, there is still no team in the history of the NFL that could beat the '85 Bears.
by Ditkavsworld on May 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
While we’re on the topic, I don’t know how to make the quote boxes either and last week I was trying to paste a picture into a post, totally failed.
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
You can enter the text you want in the box, then hightlight the text and click the apostrophy icon. As for a pic, you click on the green tree icon, then paste the link into the box that pops up.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even easier picture tip
take the link to the pic you want and put it between two !
so ! link ! (without the spaces).
by Allie on May 6, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, this is not about an actual expectation of wins
but what number will insure even gambling on both sides.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad, glad to see you
Wanted to let you know that the Patriots are mulling over a Desmond Clark for Wes Welker trade.
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by ChiFan13 on May 6, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least I didn't get kicked in the nuts again
And a couple people bought it.
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by ChiFan13 on May 6, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Vegas doesn’t really care how many games the Bears win…They care how many people bet on the wrong end of that number.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, you think as many people will take the under as the over?
Puhleese!
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are a homer
i’m not saying that that bears won’t win more than 8. i am saying that for every one of you, there is a dude who thinks they won’t.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to argue that.
No way anyone thinks the Bears win fewer than 8 games, unless thay don’t know shiat about the NFL.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus,
bookies… i mean, oddsmakers don’t care how many dudes say they will or won’t . they’re taking into consideration how much better the nfc north is looking this offseason. i’m not a big fan on how things look “on paper”, but it’s pretty obvious!!!
by windycity72 on May 6, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way anyone thinks the Bears win fewer than 8 games
split with the packers, split with the vikings, arizona, pittsburgh, ravens is probably the minimum amount of loses a non bears fan homer would see.
throw in a tough seattle road game,the falcons that they lost to last year and a philly team they barely beat on national tv and its pretty easy.
the national audience saw them squeek out wins against the saints, packers and eagles; they easily put the bears a couple games worse than their record says.
kind of like how bears fans are overvaluing the second place nfc north team and undervaluing the first place team.
by mike b on May 7, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see
8 being a fair number for the Bears.
But I can’t see 4.5 being fair for the Falcons. I’m trying to find a reason not to bet. And then a site to bet at…
by tacologic on May 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
?Are you looking at last year's lines?
The ones I found had the over/under on the Falcons at 8…which seems fair.
by TCBullfrog on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were just as "unlucky" last year
Do we need to rehash the inane Tampa Bay and Atlanta games last year? Granted, they were lost via bad plays, but you could say those were unlucky as well.
by Waylon on May 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this a reply to someone?
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many games were they lucky in?
why exclude that?
by mike b on May 7, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the average wins for our divison
is going to be 7.5?
Thats… shocking.
by Allie on May 6, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I see the division:
Bears(10-6)
Vikings(8-8)
Packers(7-9)
Lions(4-12)
That last part is not a typo. The Lions will win four games.
by JurrjensFan on May 6, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
Bears 12-4
Vikes 10-6
Pack 9-7
Lions 5-11
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can buy that
Who are your picks for the 4 losses?
by GallopingGhost on May 6, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is asking too much.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we aint winning 12 games
if so, i will buy you a bears hat.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12-4 baby!
And NFC Championship in 3 years!
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 years?
why not this year? if the bears win 12 games (they won’t) that puts them at the top of the nfc.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not this year?if(when) the bears win 12 games (theywon’twill) that puts themat the top of the nfcin the playoffs.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fmp?
like i said, when that 12 game is won, you email your address and a new bears hat of my choosing will be on the way.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fmp?
I don’t know what that means. And I love how you’ll ge to choose my hat :)
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fixed my post
where as fyp would be fixed your post.
it’s some message board lingo i picked up somewhere.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotcha.
I’ve seen “LMFTFY”
or “FTFY”
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, it's a free hat you big complainer!
you get what you get. it will be new, not previously worn and it will be somewhat stylish.
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if your mean it will be this one...
by tempchad on May 6, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn right.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of your choice?
Doesn’t seem fair, similar to a Desmond Clark for Michael Crabtree trade.
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by ChiFan13 on May 6, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if he was hypnotized, and everytime someone said that, he punched himself in the ear?
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see 11 wins...
and only if we win some of the big games on the schedule. so let’s see… and i’m just tossing it out there so to all you ‘Super" enthusiasts, EASY DOES IT… i’ll save the harder ones for last.
here we go:
division games: sweep lions and split with minn and green bay. +3
@ atl – paybacks a biatch!!! +1
@ cin- high flying nail biter, but a victory in the end +1
cle – enough said… +1
stl – ditto!!!! +1
@ sea- tough to win there but i kinda favor our boys +1
@sf – kinda wish this game was last year, OT win +1
that’s 9 wins right there. sooooooooooooo… between pit, ari, phi and bal left on the schedule, if we’re as good as we think we are, we’ll have to find a way to split those games. definitely more than 8, and if we were to sweep gb, that’s the, in my opinion, elusive 12th win.
by windycity72 on May 7, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Almost want to
Find a site that has these odds and take the over but it’s still early and if I put down $50 and then there are a bunch of injuries in training camp I’d be mad.
by GallopingGhost on May 6, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And after we solidify the QB position
People still underestimate us. I love it!
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by Acreman20 on May 6, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Packers???
Why is Vegas and everyone else in the sports world so in love with the Packers? What have they really done to improve outside of the draft? They were a sub-500 team last year and while Rodgers had a decent year, he also had trouble leading them into the endzone when it counted. They are moving to a whole new defensive scheme, which may or may not work. Their running back is inconsistent, yet almost everyone picks them for more wins than the Bears. The ESPN idiots always pick them or the Vikings to win the division even after the Cutler trade. I don’t get it.
by BearFan611 on May 6, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pack are gonna be a bit tougher than a lot of folks give them credit for.
I’m not saying they can compete in the North yet, but in another season or two, they will be very good.
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by Dane Noble on May 6, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can go along
with in another season or two. I don’t see them, which is to say: I’m hoping, that they won’t do any better than last year. Plus when Favre signs in MN, half of the veterans and coaching staff on the team have their heads explode.
by Fridge72 on May 6, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they competed two years ago
and have gotten better since.
by mike b on May 7, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my comment was in response to an earlier poster
Should have noted his original comment in my post – my bad.
by Waylon on May 6, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OVER
the bears should definitely be over. But what I dont understand is how they see 3 of the four teams in the same division with almost the exact same record. The Packers will give us the most trouble. And even if the Vikes get Favre who cares he is old and washed up, look at what he did in N Y. NADA!!!! He is an interception machine and should have stayed retired when he said he was retired. My perfect example is Michael Jordan. Anyone remember him and his retirement saga. He came back for the love of the game but would only play for 23 mil a year. And he was no where near as good as when he left. If you feel old enough to retire than you should stay that way. So Favre is no worry. And the Lions they will need a miracle to be good. They r in Detroit. Nothing good will come fro that area of the country for a while. lol.
by rcbrach on May 6, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jordan was nowhere near what he was from the first 3peat to the second 3peat?
When he went to the Wizards he was nowhere near the same, but the second 3peat? Come on dude. Lets just leave Michael Jordan alone for now and stick with the bears. i don’t see it being that close as far as Green Bay winning 9 games and Minny winning 10. Football is just one of those games where besides the sure locks with teams with every facet of their game tremendous like the Pats, Steelers, Colts, 90’s boys, 90’s Bills, etc etc i don’t see Minny winning as many games as they did last year and i see Green Bay maybe winning 2 or 3 more than last year and with our additions i truly believe we will end up 11-5. Queens just don’t do as good this year as they did last year. Print this reply and hang it up, i have an uncanny feeling about this.
However if it turns out to be the opposite and Bears end up 4-12 or whatever then i will come back here next year and say the same thing. 11-5 NFC North Champs. We can’t predict everything, noone knows what will happen for sure but like i said, i got a Miss Cleo feeling.
by Chitownproduct on May 7, 2009 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they get
8, do you just get your money back? I don’t see them winning 7 or fewer games.
I think the Vikings and Lions got better this off-season. The Packers didn’t do much to improve, but I think they were better than their record indicated, so they should get a bump this year. So I think Vegas may be taking into consideration that the division, as a whole, got better this year.
If you predict, say, 6 wins for the Lions and 8 for the Pack, that’s 9 extra wins, and some of those will come in the division. And I think it should be recognized that the Bears were a very, very bad version of a 7 win team last year. They had a real coup in picking up Cutler and redoing the O-line, but they still lack WRs. So 8 is probably a good number. But I’ll take the over.
But really, do you have to got o Vegas to lay money on this, or is there a legal site you can do it on? I’d put some money on it, if nothing else to make me cheer harder this year.
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by tomas21 on May 6, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see the under.
We play some tough teams, Seattle, Arizona, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta. If we lose those 6 games and lose to each division rival once we’ll be 7-9.
by robinhood on May 6, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
first non-homer comment all day
thank you for the reality check and showing these grabowski’s why the line is 8 and not 12.
by tempchad on May 7, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on chad
Just cuz you were right last year doesn’t mean you’ll be right this year. 8 wins? Even I believe that they’ll have at least 9 or 10…..and I’m the blog’s token cynic.
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by ChiFan13 on May 7, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i'm saying public perception
that is what this is based on.
i am between 10 and 11 wins right now. i’ll wait until pre-season to see how the young receivers develop before i make my prediction.
having said that, the public won’t see it that way and I think there will be split opinion over the bear’s season record
by tempchad on May 7, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
should've waited
to get to the bottom of this post before i replied… almost seems a little more pertinent being down here.
by windycity72 on May 7, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The public opinion has hated on the Bears forever.
Besides 2006 when we had bandwagon people come out of the woodwork from different states and even different countries. The fact is the general football public always thought the bears weren’t any good and 2006 was the biggest fluke. Do they have a good reason to think that? Of course they do. We have not been a good team traditionally the last 20+years. However those same people don’t take the time to look at our improvements and our draft and our wins and losses we had last year to make an objective opinion, unless those people are Bears fans. I could ask the average person walking the street of any city heck even Chicago and most people would not be able to name me 8 players on the Bears Defense. Maybe even 6. So the GP can bet their money on under 8 wins all they want..but they won’t be getting that new 46’ inch HDTV any time soon.
by Chitownproduct on May 7, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when i say average person i mean average Football fan.
Not just a random person walking the street but a random football fan walking the street :).
by Chitownproduct on May 7, 2009 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a thought...
at first, i agreed 178%… but then i thought, boy… we sure are on tv lot now a days. can’t hate us too much.
by windycity72 on May 7, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that's a trend
We belong in the limelight. I hope Jay Cutler has started a media snowball effect that never lets up for seasons to come.
by Chitownproduct on May 7, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW, I think I'm speechless
I was in Vegas a couple of weeks ago and if I had known this, I probably would have laid down a couple grand on the over. It’s just ludacris, maybe they got the viqueens and the Bears mixed up. No one is that stupid…
WCG!!! Finally a site for people like me. We noble men who hate everything to the North, South, East and West of Chicago.
by ChadRaay on May 7, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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