Staring Down at 80 Bears in the Making - Early Roster Predictions
Reading that we were going to be at the 80 man roster limit once we finish getting our rookies signed really made me start looking at who we have on the roster now, and at what positions. Are we on our way to being a well-oiled machine, or do we have severe pruning to be done early?
Here goes my attempt at a very simplified breakdown of positions and possible cuts, and then I'd like to see everyone chime in with what position/players they think are going to get cut/ go to the practice squad.
Quarterbacks: We've of course got Jay Sizzle up front, who isn't going anywhere until someone pries him from Staley the Bear's cold furry hands. I think everyone has liked what they saw from Hanie in his short outings, and Basanez has shown promise in limited outings of his own. While this is definitely not an experience-heavy line up, I feel perfectly comfortable going into the season with these three guys being our signal callers.
Running Backs: Here is where I think we're definately going to see some roster casualties sooner or later, and probably sooner since we're already at the 80 limit before bringing on an extra kicker. Matt Forte and Kevin Jones are locks of course, so that leaves Jason Davis/Jason McKie/ Will Ta'ufo'ou /Adrian Peterson / Garrett Wolfe. I've been trying to work this one out in my head for a while now. I could see Ta'ufo'ou on the practice squad even if he doesn't make the final 53, so unless he just looks really bad in practice I see him at least making the cut to 75. There have also been "words" from the Bears that they don't see an issue carrying 4 RBs on the roster, theoretically making Wolfe/AP both safe this year at least. I think either J.Davis or McKie is odd man out on this one, as we don't need 3 FBs especially with the addition Michael Gaines. If I had to make a gut call, I think Ta'ufo'ou is gone which really grinds my gears, putting J.Davis back on the PS.
Wide Receivers: This is really going to be a pick 'em scenario based on quality production on both offense and ST. Hester/ Bennett/ Igleasis at this time are, and should be, the favorites for the first 3 positions. I've not seen many love notes for the Droppasaurus coming out of the propaganda machine, and shockingly saw a positive vote for Rideau locking down a back up position because of his good ST play, and that being a key factor at backup WR. I see them keeping 6 WR, possibly 7 if Peterman sticks solely for ST. The other two slots are pick your poison between Knox/ Kinder/ Davis. Do they go for pure promise? Can any of them play ST better than the others? Your guess is as good as mine here, but I know I'd rather it be Knox/ Kinder.
Tight Ends: There is going to a big battle here, Olson and Clark are 53 man locks barring major injury. Gaines is supposedly very versatile, while the team has been high on K. Davis for a while. I just don't see a way that Mines makes it out of this alive, maybe he will live on in the PS, maybe not. K. Davis may share the same fate depending on how he looks this offseason when it comes to actually blocking.
Offensive Line: Man does this look better than last year? It's almost unbelievable. This one is fairly easy to break down. I see us dropping one of the rookies who isn't Louis, and then surivial of the fittest after that. Williams/ Shaffer/ Pace/ Omiyale/ Kreutz/ Garza/ Beekman are all going to be suited up, with one, maybe two more, and the majority of the rest hitting the PS.
Defensive Line: Queue the western music, because outside of the FS position you're probably not going to see more battling for backup and starter spots. Adams/ Anderson/ Brown/ Dvoracek/ Harris/ Harrison/ Ogunleye/ Idonije/ Toeania, and that's before the rookies and PS players start fighting for playing time. I'll keep this short since I'll admit my knowledge of DLine is somewhat lacking, but I thought Harrison looked great last year, and if he builds off that is virtually assured either a starting or a rotating role. Mark Anderson may also be looking down the barrel if the rookies start pushing hard. Dvoracek is also probably one season ending injury away from a settlement, if it happens in the next two years.
Linebackers: I'll try to keep this one short as well, I just don't see any way that Hillenmeyer doesn't get cut. His average play appeared to decline due to bad line play, and just some bad play by himself. Tinoisamoa is definitely taking his starting spot, and it seems the Bears like Roach, who is a cheaper option than HH anyway. We know we're looking at PT/ Urlacher/ Briggs, as well as Freeman and one other, with my guess being Williams. This may be another position where we add a slot for a STer.
Defensive Backs: Let me start this out with a plea, unless Josh Bullocks gets hit by a bolt of lighting filled with talent on high, please cut this guy. I swear, he looked so absolutely terrible for the Saints. It's really hard to stand out as terrible on an already terrible defense, but come on. Seriously. Josh Bullocks? At any rate, Vasher/ Tillman/ Moore/ Bowman/ Hamilton/ Manning/ McBride/ Steltz/ Payne/ Earl/ Afalava...out of those I think the only one with anything completely locked down is Tillman. The rest of this is all going to come down to camp battles, although as my one specific call I think we should expect some good things out of Earl. He has a lot to prove, and a good amount of talent.
What are your thoughts?
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I'm pretty sure that barring injury
Kevin Payne has the Strong Safety spot locked down as well.
So you’ve got Peanut and Payne, and then its a free for all. Should be interesting. I just hope the team makes the right picks.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
by EricEmpire on Jun 1, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope so...
While I think Payne is decent, the other SS listed is Bullocks, which makes Payne the second coming.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Afalava
I’ve seen Afalava described as Polamalu light. I’m looking forward to seeing him play.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 1, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As bad as it sounds...
After hearing about what Afalava did, I’d prefer he be terrible than good.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't know...
…a good tackling coach would have him visualise the ball-carrier as a bus shelter, and tell him to hit him (it) as if he was the car.
Might have to coach the “running away” part out of him, but that’s what these guys are paid for :-D
"They tried to take out the quarterback, and if they managed that, they tried to take out the backup." - Bears SB20 TE Emery Moorehead, on the mentality of *that* defense
by Spongie on Jun 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the drunk driving thing?
Yes, that is bad but it was a single, isolated incident by a college kid. I won’t give him a pass but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that it won’t happen again.
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
Very well done, and I agree with your thought process for the most part.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Jun 1, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call on Earl
if he can stay healthy, I think he has more talent than most of this group. He was a beast at Notre Dame and played very well for Houston before his injury.
by BearFan611 on Jun 1, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think AP's days on the Bears are over.
Lovie Smith answered fans emails, one of which was about Garrett Wolfe. No mention of AP here:
What type of role do you envision Garrett Wolfe filling this season?
Kevin
Sycamore, Illinois
The same role that we envisioned for him when we drafted him. We knew that he wasn’t a power back. But if you look at our running backs, you need different flavors from them and I feel we have that. Matt Forte has a combination of speed, quickness and size. He has everything that you’re looking for. Kevin Jones is more of a power runner; inside the tackles more than outside. And then Garrett brings quickness that neither one of the other two has. So we feel like we can use him in some of those situations in terms of screens and throwing the ball out of the backfield.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the Ask Larry section lol...
I agree with you on Garrett Wolfe being an asset on special teams, and with Matt Forte starting and Kevin Jones backing him up, does that leave Adrian Peterson off the 53-man roster?
Richard K.
South Bend, Indiana
I think the Bears could keep four running backs like they did last year as long as Adrian Peterson contributes on special teams like he’s done in the past. Peterson wasn’t producing last season like he had previously, registering just six special-teams tackles in the first 12 games. But he really came on late in the season, recording eight special teams-tackles in a three-game stretch, including a season-high four stops in a win over the Jaguars. Interestingly, he went up against his brother, Mike, in that game.
But you’re right. If one of those four does end up getting nailed it looks like it is going to be AP.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coming from Lovie's own mouth, or his assistant's keyboard in this case, though caught me off guard.
For the head coach to leave AP out entirely of his assessment of RB’s seems more damning than Larry Meyer’s (a writer) opinion of the matter, even though he is employed by the Bears.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the lol, after the Ask Larry.
Larry is a goof and everyone knows it, but he does get fed info from time to time. I’d say if you put the two statements together it’s pretty easy to say on might get cut, and if they do it’ll probably be AP.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I was a bit surpised that Lovie didn’t mention him though. He’s usually so bland and diplomatic to the point of falling asleep and bored with his answers. He says more by what he doesn’t say than by what he actually says.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He talks about Wolfe coming in for passing plays and screens, though, and the efficacy (or lack of) of this has been discussed here before. Hmmm.
"They tried to take out the quarterback, and if they managed that, they tried to take out the backup." - Bears SB20 TE Emery Moorehead, on the mentality of *that* defense
by Spongie on Jun 1, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simon says, "Raise your right hand."
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 1, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
about bullocks
how bad is he, really? he looked terrible last year, but he was a high draft pick and was touted earlier in his career as a good player. the saints defensive line was pretty bad last year, and i’m wondering if that is partly to explain for why he suddenly got so terrible. don’t get me wrong, i’m not expecting him to be very good, but i’m wondering whether he actually sucks, or was in a really bad situation with the saints. he was asked to play soft coverage with a d-line that didn’t generate much pressure (sound familiar?), something that could make even good DBs look bad. of course, he could also just be bad.
by guy incognito on Jun 1, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a little of both...
He did have a lot of promise, but he looked really terrible on the Saints. It’s said that just as it’s easy to look good in a sea of mediocrity, it’s hard to look truely terrible in a cess pool. The Saints fans were absolutely happy as could be to get rid of this guy, and from the clips I’ve seen I could see why. He could be one of those flash of lightning/change of venue players that flip that switch, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I always thought the Saints problem was absolute dreadful corners, more than bad safety play. Bullocks may have looked bad trying to cover for them, but nobody was going to look good in that situation.
But then, I didn’t watch a lot of Saints games; this opinion is mostly formed from second hand sources.
by TCBullfrog on Jun 1, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that too
i think bullocks was in a very bad situation there…again, he might not be any good, but i do think there is a chance he could surprise us all, again given positive reviews of his play earlier in his career when the saints had a better defense.
by guy incognito on Jun 1, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was at the Soldier Field gift shop last week
They are selling these:

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL...
Gotta love that the franchise can crack a joke on their own head coach with a T-Shirt.
“Kyle is our Quarterback,” says Lovie.
“Brian is our Quarterback,” says Lovie.
“Rex is our Quarterback,” says Lovie.
“Chad is our Quarterback,” says Lovie.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is so frakking awesome.
I’d order one in a heartbeat.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 1, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want.
That is hilariously awesome.
by GallopingGhost on Jun 2, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I see it:
Firstly, you have 3 ST players and they are a lock:
That leaves 50 for the rest of the team. Offense First:
OL: 8 Starters: Pace, Williams, Garza, Beakman, Kreutz , Swing Tackle, Shaffer, Guard Sub: Omiyale, Backup: Buenning
QB: 3
RB/FB 4: Forte, Jones, Wolfe, McKie
TE: 3: Olsen, Clarke, Gaines
Flex Player 1: Battle Between A Pete and Kellen Davis will hinge on the following:
1. ST Play and ST “role”
2. Davis’ improvement as a blocking TE
3. Jones health and progress as the key Forte backup— if he is solid, A-Pete will face a tougher time providing value.
WR: 6 Hester, Bennett, Iglesias, Knox— these are the 4 locks.
The remaining two spots to be won between Rideau, Kinder, Peterman, Davis— again, comes down to contributions on Special Teams:
Peterman is a great STeamer they say— watch him
Rideau is the only BIG target and has value for that.
Davis has the experience but adds little on ST.
Kinder is a draft pick and you know JA loves his picks.
These two positions are wide open.
That is 25 on Offense.
Now, 25 on Defense:
DL, 9: Brown, Ogun, Harris, Harrisson are your 4 starters. AA, Izzy are your first two back ups. Melton and Gilbert are your 2 shoe in rookies. That makes 8.—
That leaves one spot in a battle between DD and Anderson.
The outcome is up in the air and hinges on MANY factors:
1. DD’s health
2. Where does Gilber end up? Inside or Outside?
3. How quickly does Melton develop?
4. How is Tommie’s health?
5. Can Marinelli teach Anderson another move besides the table-top spin?
LB 6: Briggs, Url, Tino (3 Starters) Roach, Williams, Freeman (Backups)
That leaves HH on the outs— maybe. If the Bears go with 10 DB’s then certainly but if they go with only 9, HH has a shot but again he might end up battleing one of the (DD, Anderson pairings if they all impress.) I don’t see HH challenging Roach and/or Williams for a roster at this point. Here’s why: he is more expensive; his ST contributions are not that great and there is a youth movement afoot . The only question in my mind is how early to do the Bears let him go so he can land somewhere else.
DBs: This scenario leaves room for 10 DBs in 5 positions (9 if they keep HH or both DD and Anderson). Let’s say 10 for now because these guys are key contributors on ST:
CBs: Tillman, Vasher (2) Backup CB: Bowman, DJ Moore (2) Nickel: Manning (1)
S: Payne, Graham, (2)
That leaves three spots likley for:
Steltz, Afalava, McBride, Earl, Hamilton and Turrenne (who turned some heads in Rookie camp.) You might think Vash should go here too but the salary cap hit would be too high to let him go now—we’ve got Vash for 2009 whether we like it or not.
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
And one more in that DB battle...
Bullocks..
That’s 7 guys going for 3 spots (maybe even 2!) Should be interesting to watch.
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Practice Squad:
I believe you can put 8 players on the practice team. These 8 might make sense:
Offense:
Peterman
Will Tofu
Lance Louis
Tyler Reed
Defense:
Mike Rivera
Turrenne
Afalava
Toeina
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if Basanez ended up on the practice squad
The Bears have gone with just 2 QB’s in the past. If they signed a veteran, then 3 would be a lock. But with no vet, they could keep only 2, thus freeing up a roster spot for a D-lineman or D-back. There are a lot of unemployed QB’s right now. If Basanez is cut to be put on the practice squad, I doubt you would see other times swoop in to claim him, especially if he is cut right at the end of the preseason.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Basanez is Practice Squad eligible
From Wiki:
A player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons, or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience (six or more games on a club’s 53-man active roster or official Injured Reserve list.)
Basanez was likely on Carolina’s 53-man roster for more than 6 games… and/or on IR.
Tyler Reed has been on the PS for 3 years in a row now… however, the Bears keep releasing him and re-signing him. Perhaps there’s a loophole they were working around.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Rivera could be one to watch… I believe he was projected a decent-round pick (3rd, if memory serves?) before injury and facing so many spread offenses impacted his productivity. That, and I just want a Rivera on the Bears again.
"They tried to take out the quarterback, and if they managed that, they tried to take out the backup." - Bears SB20 TE Emery Moorehead, on the mentality of *that* defense
by Spongie on Jun 1, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My DBs would b
everything you said with Steltz, McBride, Hamilton, and I remember lovie saying that AP will always be on the roster as long as he is the head coach. i think afalava and will tua’ufo’o <— i think thats how you spell it idk, will be on the practice squad.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your thinking but...
I’d be VERY surprised if they did that. When was the last time we intentionally went with only two QB’s on the roster? I don’t recall the Bears ever doing that….
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I only recall last year, when Hanie was not a lock to make the 53 man roster
There was speculation that they would go with only Orton and Rex. Excerpt from Brad Biggs:
A look at how the roster could shape up come the weekend. Possible cuts are in parentheses:
QUARTERBACK (2)—Orton, Grossman, (Hanie). Comment: The Bears have said all along they are considering going with two quarterbacks and keeping one on the practice squad. The way the numbers add up, it makes sense. Caleb Hanie would become a free agent if he clears waivers, likely, and knows signing on to the practice squad would be a good career move. He’d be an injury away from having the chance to be promoted.
But because Hanie had such a good preseason, he they figured he would not clear waivers so they had to keep him.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count out Rideau
Culter has mentioned him by name in interviews twice already (http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1605256.aspx), and he is our tallest receiver (6’3"). I can see him getting put into the WR circus that we are bound to have in the preseason/beginning of the season until it gets figured out who is actually going to pan out for us.
by SouthSidePolack on Jun 1, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have Rideau on my list as...
the number 4 WR, I really think he’s going to have a good year this year.
by Sklz711 on Jun 1, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a feature article on NFL.com right now about the Bears WRs
Not many believers in Bears’ wideouts, outside of locker room

It’s got video of OTAs on it with a roundtable discussion with Steve Mariucci and Warren Sapp… and has 1155 comments
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 1, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now 1752 comments
and why i have no idea.
by junkhorse on Jun 2, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that vid
Mooch and Sapp seemed to really like Jarron Gilbert. that gives me a little optimism.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 2, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I think K Davis might have a little value on the trade market, but I don’t think he has a role on this team.
I think Tillman, Vasher (if only because of his contract), DJ Moore, Graham, Payne and Manning are all locks.
I don’t see any way Mark Anderson doesn’t make the roster.
I’ll be interested to see who starts at the guards and RT. Will it be Omiyale at LG, Shaffer at RG, and Williams at RT? I sure hope Williams shows enough to earn a starting spot.
I think a WR addition is still posssible, and that would probably leave Rashied Davis off the roster.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it in regards to Sheed
He’s a ST guy and Lovie won’t do it. As much as I hate the guy and wish he would go away, he won’t.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
by ChiFan13 on Jun 1, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bennett, Rideau, Knox and Iglesias
could make sheed expendable. (crossing fingers) If they have excellent camps/preseason then the loss of sheed’s experience won’t be such a tough pill for the coaches and management to swallow. (still crossing fingers)
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rashied Davis was originally brought in
as a defensive back. Sooner or later the experiment must stop. I like Rashied Davis. He seems like a great guy who works hard. I like everything about him except his hands. They’re terrible. If he can’t hold on to a Orton floater, how’s he gonna catch a Cutler fastball? I know he had success at wide receiver in arena league, but the NFL ain’t arena league and Davis ain’t Kurt Warner.
"Like a young contortionist, for the first time coming into his own...." -Bert Sugar
by Just Dave on Jun 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Chifan13, I also am pretty sure they will not drop Rashied
Not only because of the ST but because of his experience with the offense. We all know how stubborn Lovie can be with his players. I just don’t see 3 rookies making the roster over him at this point. The rookies i want to see and hopefully step up in camp are Knox and Iglesias. I don’t see Knox, Iglesiais and Kinder all make the 53 man roster though over Rashied. Now there is always Rideau that could possibly be the odd man out but i think it will most likely come down to one of the rooks before Sir Dropalot.
by Chitownproduct on Jun 2, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I keep seeing these people, all recognizing each other. Something is passing between them all, some secret. It's a conspiracy, I know it."
This is a completely different organization – top to bottom – than we have dealt with over the past few years. Rashied is a ST guy, and Lovie does adore his ST’ers. Lovie is also committed to a fault to players, but him and Jerry have surprised us so far this year. Who knows?
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Jun 2, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't get rid of a guy who is one of the two WR we have who have actually caught an NFL pass.
Even if it is Davis. Who knows though, with a move back to the slot he might have a good season.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 2, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's definitely where he belongs...
and has had the most success.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have a great season...
but if the Riddeau, Bennett and the Rooks look better and can play on ST too, then he absolutely IS expendable. My opinion, but just because he is one of the only two WR’s to catch an NFL pass is a weak excuse to keep him, it’s not like these other players are running a route for the first time or that he is that much of a mentor. Again, just my opinion.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Jun 2, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
just a quick note… he’s also dropped more NFL passes than all of our WR’s combined… not that it’s a secret on this website, but it definitely pokes holes in the logic behind keeping him!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A weak excuse?
If the Bears don’t pick up a veteran receiver then you’d be okay with them getting rid of the most veteran receiver we have and relying on Hester to be our most experienced wide out? Id rather have Rashied in the slot and still on the roster. I think some people on here have become overly enamored with how much they don’t like Davis. He drops passes and I’m not crazy about him but he has his moments like when he made that TD grab for what should of been the win in Atlanta last season. You have to give Cutler some guys that know the plays and routes, he’s coming into a new system and he could use guys that are familiar with it.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 2, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so............ the devil you know???
yes, he belongs in the slot, but i’d prefer it to be on a different team. let’s take a look at his 2008 body of work, which by the way is compared to ONLY WRs in the league:
catches – ranked 64th in the league with 35
rec yds/game – 79th with 27.8
TD’s – 65th with 2
dropped passes – tied for 7th in the “entire” NFL
now, with that being said, there were at least 5 rookies last year to post similar, or better numbers, out of a class of about roughly 25, and another 7 second yr WRs out of about 27 who did the same. i won’t even get into the other WRs in HIS draft class…
i’m just saying that in this particular situation, i’d rather deal with the devil “i don’t know”…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. It is a weak excuse...
…to offer a roster spot to Davis based on tenure alone. If the Bears don’t sign a vet, then I still would feel much more comfortable without a group of WR that consist of Hester, Bennett, Riddeau, Iglesias, Knox, Kinder and/or Peterman. Plus, we have other viable options in the passing game with Olsen, Clark and Forte. Why do you think Cutler won’t have options with what we currently have?
We have three wide-outs (not named Davis) that know the system. Iglesias is learning one position and should see the field this year. If Knox, Kinder and/or Peterman can out perform him on ST, then why keep him and slow down the development of a player with promise over a player that has, most likely, reached his ceiling?
It is not because I don’t like Davis, I just don’t trust him on the field. Yes, he has had some memorable moments (including the ATL game) and I love his TD celebration. But if he couldn’t consistently catch lofters from Orton what is going to do when Cutler throws him a rocket?
I see your point, I do. However it should not lock him into a position if there are better players on the roster.
- Smudgers
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by smudgers on Jun 2, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering how much we have invested into Cutler...
do you think we’ll be seeing less of him than we did previous quarterbacks at the end of seemingly-sealed games? That’s be an interesting jump for our back-ups.
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 1, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, because we'll be up 63-3 by the end of the 3rd quarter
da bears
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. As much as I like your Super Fan attidute...
I’m really asking if we’d see less of him at the end. Lord knows, with out luck, he’d be hurt a quarter into the season.
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 1, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until our defense proves it can hold a lead...
But he’s the franchise now, so he better be on the bench late in games when the outcome is foregone.
by MuleTrain on Jun 1, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope so.
Hopefully the occasion will occur often, as well.
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man that's a lot of FBs, and that's not counting Peterson, who's always
a Special Teamer.
by Big Head on Jun 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Camp casualities
These are the significant names who I predict won’t make the cut with the Bears
Nathan Vasher
Dusty Dvoracek
Hunter Hillemeyer
Garrett Wolfe
I also believe the Bears will at some point bring in a veteran to serve as #2 backup QB.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lovie Smith, on Garrett Wolfe:
Matt Forte has a combination of speed, quickness and size. He has everything that you’re looking for. Kevin Jones is more of a power runner; inside the tackles more than outside. And then Garrett brings quickness that neither one of the other two has. So we feel like we can use him in some of those situations in terms of screens and throwing the ball out of the backfield.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 1, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Wolfe can throw the ball out of the backfield?
There’s OUR wildcat!!!
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by Just Dave on Jun 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched 3 years worth of Garrett Wolfe at NIU
An electric runner at NIU. Even against blue-chip BCS teams. But he is way too undersized to be a legitimate threat in the NFL. He has never in his career been a pass catcher. Nor has he returned punts or kicks. Comparing him to the Darren Sproles therefore is pointless. Sproles is of much stronger physical frame and came out of college an accomplished return man to therefore make him a versatile piece. Wolfe lacks versatility of any sort. Plus he has been dealing with chronic hamstring problems. Suffice to say a dumb reach in the 3rd round despite my affection for him being a fellow NIU alum.
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by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing him to the Darren Sproles therefore is pointless. Sproles is of much stronger physical frame and came out of college an accomplished return man to therefore make him a versatile piece.
Considering I have never made the comparison, I’ll assume you didn’t mean that as a reply to me.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 1, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was trying to nix that argument right away.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
by ChiFan13 on Jun 2, 2009 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to nix something that ain't there.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've enjoyed watching Wolfe on special teams.
If I recall correctly.
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 1, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to have to disagree with you..
1. Vasher would be a huge salary cap hit…don’t think the Bears will take that unless he turns out to be completely useless.
2. Wolfe has emerged as one of, if not THE, best guys on our coverage teams— he’ll make it based on that alone. Plus, Turner and Lovie want a change of pace back and they believe Wolfe gives them that.
I agree that HH and DD are possible casualties as discussed in an early message in this thread.
by The Kaiser on Jun 1, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's twice now
the bears have gone public with their intentions for wolfe in the offense… and we’re still in OTA’s.
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by windycity72 on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
I forgot about Turner’s endorsement a couple of weeks ago.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 1, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and vasher isn't going anywhere...
although i did think that after bringing in hood and lucas. if we had signed one of them, i’d say maybe, but it’s just the proverbial “fire”, that’s all. JA called him out in the media… looks at two FAs… drafting a mini me… he’ll be fine…IMO.
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by windycity72 on Jun 1, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan Vasher
is probably not going to be cut because the cap hit would be too much.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 2, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
casulaties
Good list. HH and DD are almost sure things to be cut. Wolfe should be cut as he does not really bring anything to the party. Vasher, OTOH, it all depends on how healthy he is.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 2, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolfe
is all over the place on special teams. You could argue he was the most valuable ST player we had that didn’t touch the ball. If you want to argue that he’s small, or he’ll never be a starting RB in the NFL – that’s fine. But please stop the factually incorrect hyperbole like “he does not bring anything to the party,” because it just makes you look ignorant.
by torch on Jun 2, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wolfe
He is not so good on special teams that you can’t replace him, and that is why he will get cut in all likelihood.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 5, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW I hate the "wildcat"
and the NFL network/ESPN’s obsession with the gimmick. That’s all you hear is wildcat “this” and wildcat “that”. Its getting as old as the “west coast offense” of the 80’s/90’s and the “cover two” of the new century. Yes I know that the “wildcat” is a gimmick while the other two are schemes, but a catch phrase IS a catch phrase and no two “schemes” are ever identical so why lump them all together under one umbrella? Cause it makes it easier to analyze and it makes it easier to sell it to the fans. You want to turn heads and make people talk then lest put Forte and Jones in the backfield with Cutler and run the DOUBLE WISHBONE BABY!!!! Just kidding, but it would give the talking heads a new catch phrase to trot out there.
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by Just Dave on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think we'd be better suited for the triple option myself...
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by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you took my advice to heart.
good job, Skiz. very impressive.
Think With Your Dipstick Jimmy!
by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 2, 2009 6:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding me?
after reading his post, i’ll be sticking to fanshots for a while… way to raise the bar! i’d need a personal stenographer AND a ghost writer to pull that kind of post off!
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by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, you don't need all that...
Specially when things get slow from time to time, just find a topic that’s causing you to think or strike a nerve and put it into words.
It doesn’t have to be perfect, we have really good editors on this blog :D
by Sklz711 on Jun 2, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say tomato...
but i felt like i just got out of prison after my last one… btw, again, thanks to all who reminded me that i dropped the soap!!!
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by windycity72 on Jun 2, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only two locks
I can see Joe Clermond and Dennis Conley making the roster hands down.
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by propheteer on Jun 2, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is my Prediction
* 14 Brett Basanez
* 6 Jay Cutler
* 12 Caleb Hanie
* 22 Matt Forté
* 27 Kevin Jones
* 37 Jason McKie FB
* 25 Garrett Wolfe
* 80 Earl Bennett
* 81 Rashied Davis
* 23 Devin Hester
* 17 Juaquin Iglesias
* 13 Johnny Knox
* 84 Brandon Rideau
* 88 Desmond Clark
* 85 Michael Gaines
* 82 Greg Olsen
* 67 Josh Beekman G/C
* 72 Dan Buenning G
* 63 Roberto Garza G/C
* 57 Olin Kreutz C
* 68 Frank Omiyale T
* 76 Orlando Pace T
* 78 Kevin Shaffer T
* 74 Chris Williams T
* 95 Anthony Adams DT
* 97 Mark Anderson DE
* 96 Alex Brown DE
* 98 Dusty Dvoracek DT
* 73 Jarron Gilbert DT
* 91 Tommie Harris DT
* 94 Marcus Harrison DT
* 71 Israel Idonije DT
* 69 Henry Melton DE
* 93 Adewale Ogunleye DE
* 55 Lance Briggs OLB
* 58 Marcus Freeman OLB
* 90 Joey LaRocque OLB
* 53 Nick Roach OLB
* — Pisa Tinoisamoa OLB
* 54 Brian Urlacher ILB
* 52 Jamar Williams OLB
* 32 Glenn Earl S
* 21 Corey Graham FS
* 38 Danieal Manning FS
* 26 Trumaine McBride CB
* 30 D. J. Moore CB
* 44 Kevin Payne SS
* 20 Craig Steltz FS
* 33 Charles Tillman CB
* 31 Nathan Vasher CB
* 9 Robbie Gould K
* 65 Patrick Mannelly LS
* 4 Brad Maynard P
by Oblong Biscuits on Jun 3, 2009 1:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm?
So you left off:
Bowman
Afalava
Kellen Davis
A Pete
Peterman
Kinder
HH
Bullocks
Not saying you are wrong but I would I would like to see Bowman stay healthy through camp and pre-season and replace McBride and for Afalava to come in and replace Earl— I think this kid has tremendous up-side.
by The Kaiser on Jun 3, 2009 4:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
although i don't totally agree with his list...
i know sombody(s) has to go!!! i think this is one of the harder years for me, as far as getting down to the final roster… guess i’m gonna’ need a little more time for this one… TBC
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by windycity72 on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bowman makes the team barring injury
by MuleTrain on Jun 3, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
no way they let bowman go, lovie and angelo both like him alot.
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by leopoldjones on Jun 6, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post and nice job Sklz.
It’s crazy that we have sooo much talent competing to make Da Bears this year. Although it is a nice position to be in, they are going to have to make some really difficult cuts before the season. It will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jun 3, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a solid breakdown… I’m getting excited for those Pre Season games!
by wiltfongjr on Jun 4, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess
Quarterbacks
* 14 Brett Basanez
* 6 Jay Cutler
* 12 Caleb Hanie
so far 3
Running Backs
* 22 Matt Forté
* 27 Kevin Jones
* 37 Jason McKie FB
* 29 Adrian Peterson
so far 7
Wide Receivers
* 80 Earl Bennett
* 23 Devin Hester
* 17 Juaquin Iglesias
* 13 Johnny Knox
* 84 Brandon Rideau
so far 12
Tight Ends
* 88 Desmond Clark
* 87 Kellen Davis
* 85 Michael Gaines
* 82 Greg Olsen
so far 16
Offensive Linemen
* 67 Josh Beekman G/C
* 72 Dan Buenning G
* 70 Dennis Conley G
* 63 Roberto Garza G/C
* 57 Olin Kreutz C
* 60 Lance Louis G
* 68 Frank Omiyale T
* 76 Orlando Pace T
* 78 Kevin Shaffer T
* 74 Chris Williams T
so far 26
Defensive Linemen
* 97 Mark Anderson DE
* 96 Alex Brown DE
* 73 Jarron Gilbert DT
* 91 Tommie Harris DT
* 94 Marcus Harrison DT
* 71 Israel Idonije DT
* 69 Henry Melton DE
* 93 Adewale Ogunleye DE
so far 34
Linebackers
* 55 Lance Briggs OLB
* 58 Marcus Freeman OLB
* 92 Hunter Hillenmeyer OLB
* 53 Nick Roach OLB
* — Pisa Tinoisamoa OLB
* 54 Brian Urlacher ILB
so far 40
Defensive Backs
* 35 Zackary Bowman CB
* 21 Corey Graham FS
* 24 Marcus Hamilton CB
* 38 Danieal Manning FS
* 26 Trumaine McBride CB
* 30 D. J. Moore CB
* 44 Kevin Payne SS
* 20 Craig Steltz FS
* 33 Charles Tillman CB
* 31 Nathan Vasher CB
so far 50
Special Teams
* 9 Robbie Gould K
* 65 Patrick Mannelly LS
* 4 Brad Maynard P
so far 53
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by tomh115 on Jun 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
that you leave out Wolfe and Davis, 2 guys who the team has mentioned as playing a bigger role this year. But we may end up with 6 WRs (if so, Hillenmeyer gets the ax).
I’d also not mind to see McKie cut, and having Gaines listed as FB.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I don't see this at all..
No Wolfe but you include Peterson? I don’t think so
4 TE’s but only 5 WR’s— I’d be shocked
10 OL but only 8 DL? Goes against the grain for how the Bears are managed
Keeping the likes of Dennis Conley and Lance Louis in place of Dusty and Anthony Adams? Huh?
HH over Jamar Williams? Again, I’d be shocked…
by The Kaiser on Jun 15, 2009 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ILB backups...
somebody is going to have to back up Urlacher..somebody with skill and ability. i could see the bears telling a younger player to put on weight and follow in the monster in the middles shoes.
i personally am not a fan of dusty or adams..i think they are a little too injury prone and just roster roaches. it is hard to get the team down to 53 without cutting players who have talent. gaines may get reps at fb. i just dont see them cutting a third round pick this soon.
i really dislike davis and if i was running the show this is how my roster would end up as :D
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by tomh115 on Jun 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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