Is Garza a Lock at Right Gaurd?

by Adam T on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 AM CDT Comment 22 comments

The Bears have done a lot to improve the quality of starters and the depth on the offensive line, but one thing they haven't done is bring in anybody to compete with right tackle Roberto Garza. The Bears have pointed out that Dan Buenning, who was aquired in a trade with Tampa Bay, could compete, but it has yet to be seen if he is being given the chance to win the job from Garza.

Here is a look at Matt Forte's performance running in each direction; it seems to support that Garza is doing fine.

Right side 102 carries, 405 yards, 4.0 average
Left side 95 carries, 314 yards, 3.3 average
Middle 60 carries, 286 yards, 4.8 average

There are other factors that can go into how these numbers can be massaged, but overall Garza seems to be holding his own.

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Boy, it doesn't

take long after the snap, for Grossman to get that Deer in the headlights look, does it?

by rdent4hof on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he's looking down!!!

probably to make sure he doesn’t trip over his own feet while back-pedalling!!!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually he is looking to see who is blowing past Garza

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by chi-town on Jun 11, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

REKKED!!!!!

F#@k ALL Y’ALL!!! if you wanna’ question that one, my email is just to the right!!!

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by windycity72 on Jun 11, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

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by Dane Noble on Jun 11, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

had a bad day... my sincerest apologies..

it was toward the whole converstation about when i wrote “wrecked”… sounded funnier in my head!!!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jun 11, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garza is a midget, and is only decent.

Beekman is a midget, and isn’t that good.

Beunning has a little size, but is not very good.

Omiyale might not be able to push too many people around.

by Dane Noble on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You wanted

Phil Loadholt or Duke Robinson, didn’t you?

by rdent4hof on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For months I had been screaming OLine in the draft,

especially after we got Cutler. Pace was a good addition, but not a long-term answer.

Omiyale might end up being a decent starter, but he is not hoss.

Kreutz is probably on the same timeline as Pace. Shaffer is also probably just average.

Chris Williams, I hope, I HOPE, is able to stay healthy and live up to his draft status… he might be the only long-term OLineman that we have that can be Pro Bowl material.

We have the QB, the TEs, the RBs, and are only 1 WR away from being set there… we HAVE to start fortifying (long-term) our OLine… hopefully next offseason we will continue to focus on it like we did this offseason.

by Dane Noble on Jun 11, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think, you just got me excited about next years offseason.

by rdent4hof on Jun 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shaffer to RG?

I really haven’t heard any talk of it, but I’d like to see what Shaffer could do at RG.

From what I’ve read, Shaffer is a good run blocker with a mean streak, but is just OK in pass protection. To me, that sounds like a good candidate to play Guard.

by MakeHalasProud on Jun 11, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I've seen that idea thrown out there too...

but I don’t think the Bears have worked him out at all at guard. And honestly, he may be more valuable as swing tackle than as RG.

by Dane Noble on Jun 11, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I expect that Forte's

numbers to the left will go up this year, obviously because of Pace but especially without Beekman starting.

by GallopingGhost on Jun 11, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

These are valuable numbers to have

Now I can see pretty clearly why they let St. Clair walk – in addition to the 9 1/2 sacks he gave up last year. I’m a little surprised at how well they ran it up the middle. But they really stunk running the ball to the left side. Well, if the left side can improve this year, the Bears offense could be able to flat-out dominate people this year.

by JimmyMack on Jun 11, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It is interesting...

Most pass rushing DE are on the right side of the line(Offensive left side) so it should be easier to run to the left(case in point Mark Anderson when he started for us).

by ddub101 on Jun 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Behind the #s

While the average up the middle looks good, it seemed like we were very inconsistent running up the middle. I bet that average is skewed some of Forte’s longest runs. I’m currious what the median run is for each of those 3 directions.

Also, it seemed like when it was obvious that we were gonna run (3rd & 1), we struggled up the middle.

I think Garza was very streaky in his run blocking. I also think he’ll be our weakest link of the O-Line (& probably out of the entire starting Offense).

by MakeHalasProud on Jun 11, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you sure about that we

we still have question marks at who will start oppisite hester, if its shied then he’ll probably be a liability, and if its beenet, well he hasnt caught on this level. However if garza ia the weak link I would be ok with that

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by leopoldjones on Jun 11, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm with ya

i think a lot of that came on 8 or 9 yard draw plays on 3rd & 11. we all know what happened on 3rd & 1.

or maybe turner deserves some credit here…what if he knew all along that cutler was coming and he was just setting up the FB dive play action pass for this year. yeah, that’s the ticket.

by genetic on Jun 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Real OL performance evaluation?

The only real way to judge the big fellas would be if some guys from here sat down and really saw through EVERY snap and judged the Oline play from each guy compared to the number and types of players he faced.

Until someone does that, isn’t all this guesswork at best?

by Mathias-K on Jun 11, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no,

what wcg found is a pretty good way to determine oline play

"snuffalufagus fucks my shit up"

by leopoldjones on Jun 11, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really...

they always say how o-line production is the hardest to judge… the only REAL stat that they have is the sacks given up… and even that’s not really accurate.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jun 11, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watch Forte's Higlight Vids

You’ll see that in almost all of his big runs he either went right behind Garza or Garza was out pulling and delivering a key block. Fact is, Forte is best between the tackles and so the guard position should look good one way or another.

Garza’s weakness, IMHO, is in his inability, when matched one on one, to stop strong DTs from getting that quick penetration in passing situations.

by The Kaiser on Jun 11, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs