Another Reunion for Cutler?
by Chicagosportsfan on Jun 15, 2009 3:26 PM CDT
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Could the Bears make a play for Brandon Marshall? Apparently, he has asked to be traded.
How much greater could the offseason get if the Bears traded for Brandon Marshall? Not only would the Bears have a #1 WR, they would have Cutler's favorite in Denver, and Cutler's favorite target at Vandy in Earl Bennett. But, here's a question:
Trade for Marshall (Likely a king's ransom, like Cutler), or sign Burress (Could be suspended, but his adjourned trial leaves his suspension up in the air)?
In a Monday morning segment with 850 KOA in Denver, Schefter said that Marshall asked owner Pat Bowlen to be traded during their Friday meeting.
Per Schefter, Marshall told Bowlen, "I think I’d like to be traded." Schefter said that Bowlen asked Marshall to take some time to consider whether he wants a new contract or a trade, and that Marshall is expected to stick to his guns.
Schefter also said that there are other teams in the league (the Bears?) that are ready make a play for Marshall.
Stay tuned.
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The scary thing is
that we would undoubtedly have to do a player for player trade… we couldn’t get Marshall for draft picks.
Hester for Marshall?
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No way.
Thats a little too extreme. We can make due with the receivers now if it comes down to it but to give away Hester and our next 2nd is way too much.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Hester’s not a #1. His returning wasn’t good this year.
Marshall is a #1 and we have Manning, who was explosive last year.
Give them an offer they can’t refuse.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
Just because Hester's returning wasn't the way it was in the first two years
doesn’t mean that it can’t be in 09’. I think if we picked up a vet WR it would be the benefit to have Hester opposite of him to stop getting him double covered as much. Plus we’ve had two years of unbelievable play out of Hester and one not so good year so two-thirds of the time we got a great double threat player. If we were going into the 2010 season and he still didn’t produce I might be with you on that idea but I want to wait and see what he can do.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
hester is done as an elite return man
marshall is so much better offensively it’s sick.
I don't think we can say Hester is done on returns.
One off year means he sucks. He is still very fast and agile. He could be great again.
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HAHAHA>>>Hester done as a return man!
Hester signed his big contract laden with incentives for his recieving not returns, then why would he put his health on the line as a return man? Hes still the most explosive man on the return field. he just wants to make the money promised him as a RECIEVER. If we get Marshall then we should reword Devons contract to cover his return ability’s not recieving one then you get the reciever in Marshall everyones whining about ,and we also get the best return man in history back, along with the shortest field position possible for our new QB.
loving the bears since i was as tall as thigh pads.
nothing you said makes any sense
did you see him return punts and kicks last year? he was mediocre. he got benched for Manning.
And what are you talking about rewording his contract. that is not remotely realistic. not to mention you don’t pay him that money to return kicks.
he’s done as an elite return man. get used to it.
the best return man EVER was only good for 2 seasons at it?
He didn’t get “benched” he got transitioned into WR. They aren’t going to risk injuring him returning everything. In crunch time and the playoffs next year, I bet Devin returns kicks. Thats absurd to say someone so young with such a talent at a position is “done”.
it's absurd to think that you can just turn it on when you need him
if he doesn’t practice returns nor has many reps in games he will not be effective.
as long as he is counted on to be an every down WR, he will not be an elite return man.
This doesn’t mean he’s crap or garbage. He is just average.
The key
is to at some point stop running sideline-to-sideline and at some run vertically
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank Ditka!
I thought I was the only one who noticed this as a problem…
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I'm sure they talked to him about it by the end of last season too.
He’s trying to make every return a TD and he needs to think yards first and TD second. This offseason I think they are working him over on north and south.
Also, lots of people saw the problem. He was running east and west and backwards trying to create that big play instead of the quality play that was right in front of him.
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And also
picking up all those “block in the back” penalties, which also helped to ruin his AVG
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
and is it just me?
or was mark bradley running side-by-side with hester quite a few times when he was crossing the goal line??? wondering how much not having bradley to block affected him…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
kinda serio kinda smartassy but
if he’s running side by side with devin, how much blocking could he have done.
Now not having Brendon Idabanjo (yeah i know) is another thing.
actually thought about that after i posted...
and there’s no delete button!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Wow!?!?
One by his standards bad season and he is done? Amazing.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 17, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
did you watch him play?
as long as he is focused on being an every down WR (read the next part carefully as you missed it before) his days as an ELITE return man are over.
I was told that I ruined this house with my anger
Yep.
How bout you? One down season does not mean he has lost his return ability. Maybe being the primary receiver has caused his return game to diminish, but I doubt that, too. If being a receiver and a return man is too much, let him return punts and let someone else do kickoffs, or vice versa.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 18, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
He may not be an elite return man anymore,
but his speed and explosiveness is still pretty valuable weapons. As long as Hester is on the field, he’s drawing attention from defenses.
Rumor has it Alex Brown keeps Chris Simms' right index finger in his back pocket for good luck.
Really you like Marshall and no Plax?
Marshall is beating up women and getting DUI’s. That sounds worse than carrying a gun.
Unless it is about missing team meetings for you. Where is your line? I’m really confused.
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It did reply to him.
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Thanks
for not making me bring it up…
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they're both jackasses
Marshall, IMO, is a better receiver. Not only that, but Cutler has chemistry with Marshall. We’d have two receivers that Cutler would be comfortable with (Bennett and Marshall). That would help Cutler’s transition big time.
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So you don't care about trouble guys.
You just don’t want Plaxico because of chemistry.
Honestly I think Marshall is on the edge of not being in the league anymore. He could be gone in a year or two.
Plaxico will be in the league after this.
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No
I’m saying if we’re going to have a Plax vs. Marshall debate, we need to make clear that they’re both idiots who have serious legal problems.
Marshall “could be” gone, but he’d have to screw up one more time.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
Sure, I know that.
Marshall just reminds me a lot of Pacman. It seems like every few months something happens with him. So I think he is on the road to making a huge mistake and being gone as a repeat offender.
It seems like you were against Plax coming and are now in favor of Marshall coming. Is that the case? Because that seems odd since you think both are idiots. Why is Marshall more dersevering? I thought the reason not to bring Plax was purely legal.
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If we're talking straight Plaxico
But now I’m putting them side-by-side. Plaxico vs. Marshall.
Why is Marshall more deserving of what?
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Playing on the team.
My understanding is you don’t want Plax because of legal problems.
Now you do like Marshall on the team because of Cutler chemistry.
So to me you don’t care about legal stuff anymore. Do you really want Marshall knowing his legal issues and if that is the case shouldn’t Plax be an option.
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Oh.my.God.
For the last time:
Plaxico vs. Marshall: both have legal issues. Both are huge risks. Thus why I’m not considering legal issues between the two….they both screwed up.
IF those two are right there for the picking for football reasons ONLY, I’m going Marshall.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
Chill bro, I've asked the same question because you still won't answer me.
Let me say it this way.
Do you want Marshall on our team?
Sounds like you are willing to trade Hester for him. Is that your perspective that you would welcome Marshall?
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Football wise, Marshall excites me. Everything considered? Eh….less excited, but more excited about him than Plax, mostly because he’s younger.
Trading Hester would give us a proven #1 WR that is comfortable with Cutler.
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Ok, I get that. I understand why he excites you.
My only point is that if Marshall is ok to have, we should also be willing to consider Plax.
Both would be a great move in my opinion although I dislike Marshall’s character more. Like I said, he could be out of the league. He is a Pacman like guy that is constantly making mistakes, different, but still constant.
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I'm willing to consider Plax
I’m just saying that I’m more excited about Marshall from a football standpoint. Legal wise he’s in more problems tho.
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Sorry ChiFan
I’m going with Plax. He’s only had ONE incident while Marshall has had like 50! Plax also has won a SB, and wouldn’t cost anything like Marshall would.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
+1
unbelievable. so let me get this straight, ChiFan. you would be comfortable with the bears bringing in a guy who inflicts damage to others(Marshall) rather than someone who inflicts damage to themselves(Matt Jones, Plaxico)?
Son, how can you sleep at night?
Nobody rec’d the bible or the declaration of independence. Those turned out swell.
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by KtownBear on Jun 15, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He said
from a football standpoint he likes Marshall better. Get off your high horse, son.
DEJESUS!!!
first off, piss off.
second, from a “football standpoint” how do you think others in the bears locker room will feel about Marshall rather than Plaxico?
third, I know what he said. You can now stop typing dumb shit that makes you sound like a narrow-minded fool. Telling me to get off my high horse is the same as saying you don’t care if he beats up women because he’s a good WR.
Nobody rec’d the bible or the declaration of independence. Those turned out swell.
-Ifuwanna
by KtownBear on Jun 15, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said that I didn’t care, did I? That answer is no.
Before anyone else wants to attack me, let me remind you that I am considering Plax vs. Marshall. Both have legal troubles and both are idiots; in other words, that cancels out. I’m looking from a strict football aspect, nothing more. If y’all want my opinion on the overall situation, fine. But don’t put words in my damn mouth.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
I have no idea
how the locker room would respond to someone who puts himself above the team, takes a loaded gun to nightclubs, doesn’t practice, and doesn’t show up to meetings vs someone who hits women and gets DUIs. You don’t know either.
I told you to get off your high horse because you jumped on chifan for basically saying that he thinks Marshall is a better football player than Plax, as if we couldn’t even contemplate the question since Marshall hit his girlfriend. And you added the “son” on to make it extra condescending (as if asking him how he sleeps at night isn’t condescending and high and mighty enough on it’s own).
Nobody here is going to set Plax or Marshall up with their sister. Nobody here thinks it’s ok that these guys hit their girlfriends, drive drunk, skip team activities or take loaded weapons to night clubs. They are both bad guys, we all know it. I would like to think that most of us are intelligent/mature enough to consider the question of who is a better WR at this point, without saying “ZOMG!! You like Marshall, that means you are for wife-beating!!!!”
DEJESUS!!!
Actually we do know several players would love to have Burress
They have been quoted as saying so. We have heard nothing so far about their opinions of Marshall.
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But has anyone asked?
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Jun 15, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Not yet, it is too new of a story.
My point to him was, we actually do know what some of the locker room feels about Burress. He says we don’t know, but that isn’t really the case.
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Here's a quote from Biggs today on the locker room, just to reinforce this point.
Adding Burress would be a popular move in the locker room. Devin Hester said he would be behind it. Tight end Desmond Clark, a leader in the locker room, supported the notion.
*Note other players have spoken up as well outside of these guys. I believe Alex Brown was one of them as well.
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So a handful
of guys are in support of it. That leaves the possibility of over 40 guys being against it. Probably not, but we don’t know. None of us knows how these 2 are viewed in the locker room. There could be just as much (or more) support for getting Marshall.
A few outspoken guys does not necessarily speak to the opinion of the group as a whole. Also, what I responded to was his insinuation that he knew the Bears locker room would rather have Plax than Marshall. Nobody knows whether this is the case.
DEJESUS!!!
true, but I wouldn't doubt that they'd prefer Plax
if the Bears were to get Marshall, they’d have to likely trade players to get him. Trading players never bodes well in the locker room. not to mention the fact what he’s doing right now, not showing up for OTA’s and all. just can’t think that will sit well with Bears players.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 16, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude, when you're wrong, you're wrong.
And yes he could know because it has been reported first hand, from the mouth of players, that the guys like him. Players talk. They aren’t going to make comments like that if no one wants him. He is wanted here. Move on and discuss something else.
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Guys, read the news.
We give you links to all these articles.
The Bears are interested in Plax. They have not closed the door on looking at him. Link
The Bears, New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have all placed calls to Rosenhaus, and he said that a fourth team has entered the picture.
Look I’m all about the facts. I’ll debate anything with you, but if you say stuff that is untrue, then I’m going to say something.
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I've asked this question 100 times already
will the gunshot wound hurt his ability? If not, then I’d have no problem with plax in a Bears uniform
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by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 16, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
No...only one legal incident
hes one of those diva wide outs that does non sense in training camp like not practicing not showing up for practices during the season like when he was suspened against seattle i think(not sure correct if it is wrong) but marshall if available is great your a 26 year old qb with his favorite target who is only 24 or so guess what? Deadly combo this could be the next combo for the ages
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jun 16, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hes saying if you have to chose one
both of which are idiots he takes Marshall due to the chemistry. Jeez
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jun 15, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!!!
Marshall is younger AND has the chemistry w/ Cutler! Both Marshall and Burress have seriously f*cked up, but neither to the point where they can’t redeem themselves. I think eveybody just needs to chill out a little bit.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
One-year deal
trumps anything Marshall brings to the table. Plax has helped his team win the SB, and has a gaudy career average per catch (15.5). I don’t like the Bears trading any of their current core of players, and the fact they would have to renegotiate Marshall’s contract. There’s a ton more risk than to simply sign Plax to a one-year deal. Plus, by Briggs and few others saying they’d love having him tells me their sentiments are similar to the rest of the team leaders.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
to expand on that...
not only do we not have a viable trade option, marshall’s asking for approx. $9M/yr…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Great point
I’ll take a huge pass on that demand.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
IMO
the only upside to getting rid of Hester is that he is extremely overpaid right now. I’d rather wait this season on, as far as WR position is concerned, instead of spending so big. Let’s see what our boys can do with JC tossing them the ’skin.
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
ill respectfully say no thanks
i know you are just speculating as to what type of trade it would take but i dont think this would happen (now that ive said it watch it happen lol)
on another note ive read your comments on MHR and i have to say i appreciate the insight from another teams “coach” as SBN likes to put it and please feel free to stop by whenever!
—what about brandon for that cutler guy? i hear he has quite an arm!
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
nice one
how about we take marshall ANDDD josh mcscrewup off your hands for ol ron turner and the legendary…..RASHEID DAVIS!!!!! lol
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jun 16, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
well bear lover
i dont think i would trade josh mcDANIELS for anyone
if you want to blindly follow what the MSM is saying im not gonna stop you but IMO i like what he is doing here, there are intricacies being installed here that i have never seen. the days of shanahan were starting to feel like a country club (not good) now McD comes in with a brand new attitude and has no problem doing whatever it takes to get this team where it needs to be
some advice (not that you asked for it) jump on the broncos bandwagon now and seem like a genius come mid season
btw make sure jay gets at least 40 pass attempts a game and NEVER ask him for an autograph – it makes him cranky :)
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see. He sure looks like a screw up to everyone else.
The Bronco fans are the only people I have heard that thought trading a Pro Bowl QB that is 26 is a good move for your team.
Then you look at what he did with the picks. Wow! Very, very odd move for a team needing a lot on defense. So far I’m very unimpressed. Looks to me like a future Belichik failure like, Eric, Romeo, Marvin, and Charlie.
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its good for the team when he starts to cry about it
and IF he would have taken defense with the majority of the picks why would that make us any better off? (id particularly like to hear your response on this one) i love the moreno pick because he is gonna make ortons life a whole lot easier. McD choose the best players available at the time, which is a much better strategy than just stocking up an D and hoping some of them catch. look for knowshon, alphonso smith, and even ayers to be producing right away. save your unimpressed feelings for your new QB after he starts to claim he the biggest thing since sliced bread
- team is something that McD is brining back to denver and i for one am more than excited to see these guys in training camp next month
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
RB was a luxury for the Broncos
You have the OL, WR, & TE in place. The running game was poor, but you can get a good running back later in the draft. Leshaun McCoy would have been a perfect fit and would have given you a better defensive guy in the first.
Let’s face it. It is unlikely that Orton can produce the numbers of Cutler. Your defense lost you a lot of games last year. The offense tried to put up points, but 30 every game was too much. You will see a decrease in points especially if you lose Marshall. You guys scored a lot last year. I doubt that can be reproduced, but we’ll see.
Had you kept Cutler and Marshall and worked on your defense, you could have seen a positive turnaround.
Orton is solid, but he can’t throw deep, so just take that out of the playbook all together. Actually take out all the plays over 15 yards. If you stay short, he does very well. He’s getting better. Hopefully McDaniels offense makes him even better.
Please get off the Cutler thing. I’m not talking about it. Obviously it is a sore subject for Denver. But honestly until this season starts, it is just a game of words. Orton is solid and I think he will improve with your line and hopefully weapons and a spread offense he is more suited too, but he is a downgrade from Cutler. You just have to understand that.
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agreed on cutler
and on that the stats wont be anywhere near the same but the one stat i am looking into is ortons win loss record compared to cutlers… this is far more important and just trust that McD knows what orton can and cant do, im 100% sure he knows more about football and especially QB’s than any of us
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm sure he does and his job depends on it really.
I hope Orton does get better. He was progressing nicely with very little at WR. The spread was where was part of where he saw great success in college. Quicker throws based on mismatches better suits Orton and I think McD will give him plenty of options. If Marshall is there that obviously helps a lot.
The reason Orton won was not skill or leadership, it was defense. His rookie year we went 13-3 and it was run, run, pass 5 yards every single series. If we scored 16 points that season it was an automatic win because ’05 was one of our best defensive years. His stats are padded by that season. 10 extra wins alone that year. Defense and special teams gave us extra points and field position his whole career. He also usually had a bad half and a good half most of his games. Had he played consistently average to above average throughout the game, we probably won an extra 2-3 games last year.
Leadership is important on the last drive, but making plays all game long is even more important.
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You can't really compare win-loss records of the two
because Orton actually had a solid defense behind him that helped him close out games while the Bronco’s defense didn’t do Cutler any favors over the past two seasons. I can’t find the link but Cutler’s record would have been something like 22-1 had his defense been able to hold the other team under 23 points (something along those lines). And besides I absolutely guarantee that damn near ever Bronco’s fan would be singing a different tune about Cutler had the team not traded him. Now that he’s gone all of you think he’s no good anymore but had he been performing in the Bronco’s OTA’s as opposed to ours he would’ve been the next up-and-coming elite QB so if you really wanna have this argument at least look at the situation objectively.
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by gridiron_assassin on Jun 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
McDaniels is a chump. No point in trying to justify it. You can be hopeful, but that is it. You won’t be proud the first time you see Orton’s girly arm try to throw.
McDaniels got caught in fishy business (who would ever trade Cutler for Cassel?) and he was called out. Nothing left for him to do but fold. Now another pro-bowler does not want to play for him. It will be hard for the Broncos to win games with no one on theh field. I am sure the Chiefs are licking their lips this year to play the Broncs.
hmm maybe you just dont know everything
could that be possible? a QB with diabetes who continues to drink, rarely ever goes through his reads (which in this new offense is a MUST), and has a slight ego problem just dont seem to fit here.
wow cutler can throw the ball 200 yards, but can he run a complex offense and be the leader that the team needs him to be?
McD knows what he needs at QB and it isnt a gunslinger who feels like he has to force the ball, its a game manager who can lead and calmly go through his progressions.
so instead of trying to force jay into something hes not, he traded him, got a guy who he knows he can work with and a slew of draft picks, all in all i think we are fine, just fine
as far as him being a chump, the players love him, practices are high energy and dare i say FUN and McD did not fold under any circumstances if anything he stuck to his guns, if he would have folded cutler would still be here…no?
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The players love him but 3 players have already asked for a trade (only the good players can ask for trades)?
You are making up excuses for a disaster. A QB with diabetes who continues to drink? Are you a doctor? I hope not because people with diabetes are still entilted to drink. He is not chugging Jack Daniels from the bottle like Kyle Orton. And I am pumped we have a QB with an ego, thats a sign of confidence with is super important. There have been no criticisms about him not going through his reads. Trying to force things I will give you, a common habit of young QBs.
Keep being optimistic. I admire it almost as much as your ignorance.
im ignorant?
but writing off McD as a chump based on what the MSM have to say isnt? and there have been criticisms about him locking on to the first receiver… he made BM the most targeted receiver in the NFL because of this, and the lack of talent isnt a reason, when we have the likes of royal, and stokley on the field as well…
do you think its a coincidence that the two biggest QB dramas this year involve the same agent? i think not
“from chaos comes clarity”
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea because it's not like Royal had 91 catches on 100+ targets
and stokley had 49 catches on at least 70-80 targets. He made BM the most targeted receiver because he was the best of that bunch, just like T.O., Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, etc. are all very highly targeted. I’m sure you also think Kurt Warner can’t scan the field either because Larry Fitzgerald had 120+ targets. I’m sure you came over here to try and provide some insight into the situation or whatever but now you’re just coming off as uninformed and too proud to realize the huge mistake(s) that McD has made.
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by gridiron_assassin on Jun 16, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
10 players with double digits catches on the broncos...
5 of them had 30 catches or more…
bears have 8 WRs with double digit catches…
marshall was the most targeted receiver in the NFL cuz he was open, created separation, or got the jump ball… who wouldn’t throw to that guy!!! and FTR, orton was horrible at going thru reads, regardless if he was doing it from the grass most days…
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alright, to both of the above
thanks for being super willing to jump on NFL.com and throw some stats out there BUT i said that he has tendencies to lock on to one receiver BM benefited from this but so did the other WRs. Dont doubt that he forces the play much too often, and yes it most definitely works some times but it isnt what McD is bringing
yeah your right on marshall thats why denver is gonna hold him so until we get a real value or he wants to play
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
don't use nfl.com... hate their format...
however, all 32 teams have their own separate web-sites…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
I think he is a chump and that has nothing to do with the media.
I make my own opinions based on what I see. I’m no clone of anyone. I think the media is biased anyway, so I look at facts.
The fact is he is a bad communicator. How do you not tell your franchise QB that you want him on the team? What an idiot. He wants to protect his pride by saying that he can win with any QB. Way to go! You just sealed the deal and lost your QB. The Cutler situation showed me an insecure 30 something young coach that tried to play hard ball with a player he didn’t even know. He put himself above the team. The team was better with Cutler and that move would have worked a lot better next season after he proved he was worth following. He’s proved nothing as a HC.
Then the guy was offended and played hard ball back. McD hurt his teams future for the foreseeable future. It is his way or the highway. That’s good when your the big Tuna, but bad if you haven’t proved anything. His second mistake is that he demands respect. Respect is earned. Positional leadership is people following because you have to. Jay said I want. He is not at all off to a good start a earning respect which shows that he is a young leader who isn’t proven as a top level leader.
Everything rises and falls on leadership. That is why Tuna wins everywhere he goes. That is why Bilichick’s wins and his cronies keep failing. They aren’t the leader that Bilichick is.
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thanks for your facts
its awesome how you can tell his communication skills by reading about it. You can’t just totally doubt that the combination of the firing of Shanny/Bates and McDs complex O – which is going to stress short quick passing and even the fact that cutlers agent is Bus Cook gave JC all the reason he needed to go. So as far as you claiming that he needs to test his pride and insecurity, im going to assume you actually know this man because if you didn’t this would be stupid to say.
One thing i agree with you on this post is that he proved nothing as a HC because all this arguing means nothing until september.
agian with the personality qualities with his leadership abilities… i like how it all stars with JC leaving, ‘open your mind quaid’, McD is making a TEAM and JC decided he was above that and wanted out JC wouldn’t return phone calls from Pat and then claimed that there was no attempt at contact, to which Bowlen said “we have the phone records” that is telling as to what JC and Bus are up to
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
damn i didnt know the hyphens crossed things out
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
and just updated is the fact that the broncos agree to trade marshall...
still feel the same way about your “new” coach and his FO???
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well you are actually telling me for the first time
but no because this doesn’t mean he is going anywhere, we still have the rights over BM so this is just an open attempt for another teams to give too much (almost like the bears)
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
they're saying at this point, you guys will OWN th 2010 draft!!!
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and don't feel bad...
i walk around all day with a tablet p.c. that is set up to tell me when anything pops off in the NFL…
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hahaha... i dont?
im asking you because it seems like your making fun of yourself. im happy you can be the first to get your opinion out there… thinking wastes so much time
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
if you understood my job situation, you'd say differently...
they have to pay me regardless of what i do, thanks to the D of LABOR… and it really wasn’t the first… it was mentioned twice in other threads before i posted… anyways, in all honesty, i kinda was.. i’m a football junkie!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
I have an evaluation for Cutler that is totally separate.
I’m only talking about your head coach and the way he responded. I’m a leadership guru. I live, eat and breathe it. I read lots of books, study peoples lives, etc. So yeah I see a lot of traits showing up already. I watch the press conferences when he actually speaks. I listen to Bowlin interviews on the radio. He actually did one here in Chicago. This isn’t MSM crap, I’m listening to his words.
As a leader you have to be above the players and put the team first. He hasn’t. Even when other people do things wrong, you still have to be responsible for your own actions. He hasn’t. He’s already making excuses, has not taken responsibility for any error. That is bad news man. The best leaders take responsiblity for any wrong they have made even if they are only 10% of the problem. They do not blame others for things they should have done differently. Bowlin took responsibility, McD doesn’t.
We’re going to disagree, but look me up at the end of the year and lets talk about how he blames people when you loose. My guess is players are going to be the screwups and he is going say what can I do, I’m just the coach. He’s not a great leader. May be good play caller, may win games, but his leadership skills stink. Yes we will have to wait for the season, but don’t act like you know why I’m saying things. I don’t live up the MSM rear ends. Just ask if you want to know why I think something and I’ll tell you.
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Orton does not go through his reads, just so you know.
He eyes one guy and has a check down RB. That is it. He struggles to scan the field for second and third targets. That is why he through to wide open LB’s and DT’s 3 times last year. He watches the receiver the whole way and doesn’t notice the defender ahead in the zone waiting on in routes over the middle.
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and work on it he will
McD has eaten, breathed and shat football since he was a kid and i know for a fact that McD knows what kyle can and cant do, this is why he spends extra time with all of the QBs
trust the orton will get better, thats all i can do
what i like most of all about orton tho is what his former teammates have to say about him (see what jays teammates have to say)
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yadda Yadda Yadda
So, essentially, what BroncoJoe’s saying is that Denver is glad that Cutler’s gone because he was rubbish. They’re going to be glad Brandon Marshall’s gone because he never did anything worth a damn on the football field, either. Fine, I can live with that.
Next topic!
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I read this as well
and thought ‘what if,’ but I’m not going to hold my breath on this. something tells me the Cowboys are going to be the team to beat if Marshall goes on the market.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
i'm hopeful
not delusional.
if it happens — hooray!
if it doesn’t – no harm done.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
No thanks...
As good a player as he is, he has shown himself to be a consistantly horrible person in regards to his off the field activities. The violence against women going back years that has continued to happen and from which he hasn’t learned anything.
Maybe if they gave him up for a late round pick and signed to some sort of zero tolerance deal that gave us the right to revoke his salary and recoup bonuses if he was found in another situation like that again.
That isn’t going to happen, so neither should this.
And while they are at it they should just get rid of Alfalava too right?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Polish is referring to the thread I made about bad character players...
And how I used Afalava as an example of a player I start off hoping he wouldn’t make the team based on his past transgressions and having not read about any kind of learning from the horrible experience.
Not much of a connection to this thread, but it’s what he was going for.
Skiz you are a stand up citizen and I commend you for it.
Let’s just win a Super Bowl before we need to revamp our defense because they are too old.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Me and Skiz got in a conversation over Plax
and he said that he didn’t want Alfalava on the field before he had even stepped on it because of his one criminal incident so thats why I said that, it was replied to him.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
is it just me???
or does my man “SIZZLE” got hops!!!
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Not sure if its just the timing of the photo
but he does look to be jumping as high as Marshall who is pretty athletic
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 15, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He's so good
I just assumed he was levitating…
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO!!!
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With what?
We have nothing to trade to Denver. Denver sure has hell doesn’t want Hester. We could only offer defense and as so many ESPN blogs state, our defense is “aging”. I can’t see this happening because we have nothing to give up.
Denver has it
Denver has a lesser version of the Windy City Flyer in Eddie Royal. He is not as dynamic of a return man but you only need one of those guys on your roster.
I don’t think our defense is horribly aging but a lot of analysts due. Probably because the players that are over 30 are the key ones. And Tommie’s legs are older than the rest of his body.
Here's a piece of advice
Don’t listen to the “experts” at the Extra Special People Network too much.
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I wasn't being a smartass
I know it came off like that, but the people at ESPN are mind-numbing at times.
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Interesting.
Care to explain why you are so certain Denver would not want Hester?
As far as our defense “aging”… SackMan posed a great question a while back: How many of our defensive starters are over the age of 30?
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Exactly.
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by David Taylor on Jun 15, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
They give up a WR, they’d probably want one back. You don’t think Hester would make McDaniels’ eyes light up like a kid on Christmas?
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let'em have hester then
it took him two years to figure out our playbook. it’ll probably take him 4 to figure out McDaniels’.
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2 yrs is not that long for a WR
He’s only been one for 2 years. It took Bennett more than a year to learn and he graduated from Vandy. It’s a lot harder than people realize.
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left vandy after 3rd yr.
anyways, the league “standard” is 3 yrs… if you can’t make it after that?!?! well then…
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Jumping the gun
I meant in the pros, but let Hester have his full three years before ripping him a new one.
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i agree!!!
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Quick challenge for this topic:
Try and have a discussion about this without bringing in legal issues. The Plax/ Marshall legal argument is tired. Not that it doesn’t factor in… just give it a try.
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No kidding
Like I said, they’re both damn idiots. We all know this….no need to have a pissing contest of legal troubles.
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Discuss whatever you want.
But the legal issue is tired and at this point boring. Bring it from a football angle.
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touche...
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No touche.
My challenge was to talk about something different than what is being/ has been discussed in other threads.
Marshall/ Burress… strictly football.. Can it be that hard?
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i guess long term implications would point to marshall...
although that thought is flawed cuz of his propensity to violence… sorry, i guess it IS really that hard… every stat or potential for stats this season is tainted with the legal scenario and it’s implications.
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I don't know
I don’t think it’s that hard because if were dropping legal issues, I want to bring up their contracts. We can sign Plax to however long, but more likely a short term contract without giving up anything in return. Marshall would be traded for something, whatever you think it is, is will be something. He has one year left on his contract and won’t be guaranteed to resign with us. I know there are a lot of “ifs” in there. Would we have a resigning in the trade agreement? If we have an upcapped year in 2010, is Marshall a restricted free agents for the Bears? I don’t know if that transfers. What will the new collective bargain say if there is one?
I think this adds a new element. If you can resign both, Marshall has to be more for the money because he will be entering his prime and have another large contract down the road to try to earn. While Plax would is on the edge of his prime probably declining within a couple years and playing for that final team to grab him as a veteran. With this angle I would say Marshall is a lot better deal but some contract extension would have to be included to guarantee long term gains from him.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I care when ChiFan and others are for Marshall but against Plaxico when it comes to legal issues.
I’d rather have a guy who carries a gun than a guy that beats a women, personally. Why is Marshall better in the legal department? I don’t get it. They are both stud receivers we all know that. The real question is the legal issues. is one better than the other or are they the same?
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Dude
Focus.
They’re both in legal problems and they’re both idiots. If there was a football league based on legal disputes, Michael Vick is the reigning champ. But there’s not.
The real question is which would help us the most playing football for the Bears. Marshall has chemistry with Cutler. That’s my point.
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I'm just clarifying, because your position is contradicting itself from before.
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Maybe it's just too late in the evening
but, I feel the same way that #23 does on this. It sounded to me, from your original statement, that you were going against the position you were taking for not wanting Burress on the team (which is the same position I have taken), yet were willing to take a worse “character” guy in Marshall. I understand what you’re saying about Marshall being the better pure receiver, but it would have been much clearer had you said you wouldn’t want either one. Until this post, I never got the impression that you were willing to even consider Burress.
Again, it’s late, and maybe I’m not reading/thinking clearly, but I was very confused by your statements as well. Just an observation.
Oye
I’ve posted this over and over again, but here goes again:
Plaxico vs. Marshall: both have legal issues. Both are huge risks. Thus why I’m not considering legal issues between the two….they both screwed up.
IF those two are right there for the picking for football reasons ONLY, I’m going Marshall.
Please note I’m comparing the two as football players only.
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I know I'm not in the others catagory...
But for most people it’s not a “legal” issue with either, it’s a “character” issue.
Yeah
but I think there is a large constituency that believes Plax is not a “bad character” guy. But it’s difficult to defend domestic abuse with Marshall.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I just want to say comparing criminals is a double negative.
Let’s just focus on talent and think they will change because they are both extremely high risk based on past transgressions.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 15, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Marshall= a massive contract, with lots of risk.
Plax= a one-year deal, with no trade compensation.
To me, this is an absolute no-brainer.
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"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
that's my standpoint
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Plax...
just based on last season’s stats — Plax had a better catch/td ratio (35/6) compared to Brandon’s (104/6) as well as the fact that Marshall had 4 fumbles, 3 lost to Plax’s 0/0…
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Marshall because...
He’s younger and you go for a long term contract.
He’s faster.
He’s got rapport with our QB already
He’s a big strong target entering his prime
by The Kaiser on Jun 15, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but you didn't rec
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry
your comment refreshed but his still showed 0 recs
my apologies
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said...
If there is no discussion about girl bashing, handguns or any of that and you just compare the two then it’s Marshall ALL THE WAY
Reasons for Plaxico
- Cheaper – because he is in court right now
- FA – Don’t have to trade anything, perserve our draft next year and depth on our team this year
- Less Drops – very important
- Just as big and strong – so I don’t know why that was even mentioned
- Proven Heart of a champion – the guy plays through all injuries and has proven he cares about winning above everything else
Money is important to pulling this off.
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Ha ha ha
- Proven Heart of a champion – the guy plays through all injuries and has proven he cares about winning above everything else
Seriously? The only thing he has proven is that he cares about Plax above everything else
Are you joking...
Plax probably cost himself a year of football by playing through injuries during the superbowl year. Do you not remember him having to miss practice every week because he was so injured, he couldn’t play more than once a week.
With a comment like that, I don't take you as a very reliable opinion.
If you don’t think Plax laid everything on the line each week the year of their Superbowl run, you’re crazy. He has had several injuries his whole career that he has played through and was still better than anyone else on his team.
As far as his agent goes. You can’t ask for the money when your value is low. This is the lowest Plaxico’s value has ever been. Drew is also the agent for Rex who got the minimum and Boldin who couldn’t get a new deal (the first one was too low), Edgerin James who doesn’t have a team and the list goes on. Really, everyone knows on this site that Plax is going to sign at a huge discount to whatever team gets him.
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Faster doesn't mean squat
when Plax’s career ypc is 15.5 and Brandon’s is 12.8.
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Any chance McDaniels likes Rashied Davis?
i mean, as long as we’re talking about getting Marshall, we might as well offer the services of Rashied Davis and his rapport with Orton. Package deal: Hester, Davis, Al Falfafavabean, and Hillenmeyer for Marshall.
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And Ron Turner?
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yah really???
about to lose the 2 most valuable players on his team… way to go Mc DumbA@@!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
for that matter,
let’s just trade our team, for their team… doesn’t everyone in Chicago want Orton back anyway?
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Orange Jerseys
Why don’t we get Plax and Marshall and make the Bears wear orange jerseys and pants the whole season? It’ll be just like where they will end up!
by brands735 on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone think we might make a play for Marshall?
What could we offer?
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Jamar Williams, Iglesias, and a second next season.
I don’t think we make a play. Denver wanted a lot for Cutler and they will want the same for Marshall. We don’t have enough.
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I don't think we can make a trade for Marshall
From a PR standpoint it’d be a nightmare for Denver to trade its top two players to the same team. From the Bears standpoint we already gave up a chunk of our draft picks to Denver and realistically have very little else to offer Denver in return. Personally I’d try to trade Urlacher straight up, but that won’t happen. That’s just my take.
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I dont think Virginia McCaskey
Would be too high on picking up a reported woman beater.
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That is freakin' sweet!
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"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
WHY TRADE FOR MARSHALL?
When, you can sign him as a free agent next year.
It’s pretty silly to waste more resources, when you can just sign the guy if you wait…
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
If we didn't make a play this year,
what makes you think Denver wouldn’t trade him to someone else? He might not be available next year.
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because we won't pay Marshall what he wants
and he’ll want a lot.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
But.....but....
We have Cutler and we’re not the Cubs, always waiting for the elusive next year!
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Problem with that
Is that if there’s no new CBA, he’d become a Restricted Free Agent. Without the CBA, it’d take 6 years for players to become a Free Agent.
And even if he becomes a Free Agent, there’s a good chance that the Broncos would place the Franchise Tag on him.
by Chicagosportsfan on Jun 15, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So what...
It’s worth it to be patient, and see how things play out, instead of trading everything you have for a T.O. clone. We need our draft picks, and we need Hester.
Plus, next year’s crop of FAs is loaded at WR…
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Here
Link (Some of this info is incorrect/not updated)
Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
WR Sam Aiken UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
WR Jason Avant UFA Philadelphia Eagles Free Agent
WR Arnaz BattleNew player news! UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
WR Steve Breaston RFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
WR Isaac BruceNew player news! UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
WR Antonio Bryant UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
WR Chris Chambers UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
WR Mark Clayton UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
WR Airese Currie UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
WR Ronald Curry UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent
WR Braylon EdwardsNew player news! UFA Cleveland Browns Free Agent
WR Lee Evans UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent
WR Yamon Figurs RFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
WR Brian Finneran UFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
WR Larry Fitzgerald UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
WR Joey Galloway UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
WR Chris Henry UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent
WR Devin Hester UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
WR Domenik Hixon UFA New York Giants Free Agent
WR Sam Hurd UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent
WR Chad Jackson UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
WR Vincent JacksonNew player news! UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
WR Michael Jenkins UFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
WR Adam Jennings UFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
WR Greg Jennings UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
WR Brandon MarshallNew player news! UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent
WR Ruvell Martin UFA Green Bay Packers Free Agent
WR Derrick Mason UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
WR Sean Morey UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
WR Sinorice Moss UFA New York Giants Free Agent
WR Kassim Osgood UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
WR Logan Payne RFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent
WR Peerless Price UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent
WR Josh Reed UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent
WR Brad Smith UFA New York Jets Free Agent
WR Maurice Stovall UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
WR Kevin Walter UFA Houston Texans Free Agent
WR Hines Ward UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent
WR Jeff Webb UFA Kansas City Chiefs Free Agent
WR Roddy White UFA Atlanta Falcons Free Agent
WR Demetrius Williams UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
WR Troy Williamson UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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If AZ signs Boldin
there is no way they can afford Breaston. If we dont’ make any mores this year, I’d like to see us go after him.
Vincent Jackson; although, not a great player would be a good compliment to Hester.
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this is so sad
now maybe it was just bad wording but if we are looking for a number 2 to compliment hester, we are screwed. we need to find someone so hester can be the compliment.
again this might just be semantics
Ok...back to the original story for a second...
I think Marshall may get a rude awakening because, like with Boldin, I don’t think teams are going to be willing to give up as much as he thinks he’s worth.
He has nasty legal issues and is a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
He has health issues and nobody knows the real condition of his hip.
He is demanding who knows what in his contract— probably more than others have budgeted for.
And there is the chicken/egg debate (the qb/wr who makes who question) about his past production.
Would Marshall make Chicago a Super Bowl contender?
His what DN is talking about. Link pops.
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close vote so far...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
They respect us this year. Nice to see.
Yes he does make us Superbowl contenders. We already are and the odds will jump considerably.
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Don't worry about the odds
The preseason odds mean nothing until Sept 13
Another reason why I like Plax over Marshall
Plax has a 15.5 ypc, while Marshall’s is only 12.8 ypc. Add this to the multi-year deal Marshall will cost (while Plax will be had for only one year and no other comp.), and the fact Plax’s mishap was his first offense, while Brandon has a “rap” sheet longer than Mike Tyson.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
however, marshall doesn't have a court case over his head right now
plax might be better but marshall is younger
Hence the one-year deal
Plax will be a “hired gun” for one season.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
so wrong... so wrong...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Yeah
I’d much rather have Marshall who’ll beat up some other women during his first year of a contract, while the Bears would have to eat all of his guaranteed money for a player not playing.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
I think so.
That would be piss me off if we signed him and he f’d up. I still pass on Plax.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jun 15, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Pro teams do not pay suspeneded players
Any team that would agree to pay him for games he doesn’t even play in are morons. That isn’t how it is done. If they are suspended, they don’t get paid for those games.
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he'd still be sitting pretty with his starting salary in the bank...
roster bonus, etc…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
roster bonus is an option
signing bonus is an option. Plax doesn’t need a lot in a one year deal. He is going to try to prove himself to the league so he can get a big contract after one year.
Their will not be a loss on the guy.
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My point is, no one, including the Bears, are going to give him much guaranteed
it will be a risk free contract for any team because the legal stuff is so unknown. Don’t think we are spending big money on this guy if he doesn’t even play. The contract for any team that signs him won’t be setup that way.
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believe me, i'm on your side...
i’m personally pulling the “HAND DRAWN PLAX BANDWAGON”…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
There is a few of us
pushing the Plax bandwagon from behind.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I know guys.
I just want this to be about the real facts. I’m honestly shocked that some were a no for Plaxico because of legal issues and are now considering Marshall who is one of the biggest legal issue guys in the entire league.
I’d look at either, but your values shouldn’t changed because you like another player more. Either you don’t want a guy with legal issues or you’re ok with it.
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There isn't a grey area?
where you’re ok with legal issues, depending on what they are?
hey man, you got a j? No? You'd be a lot cooler if you did...
by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If there is
a gray area, Marshall has to be the one who’s offenses are worse. Much worse. And I agree #23, if you don’t want Plax b/c of legal issues, I don’t see how you can justify acquiring Marshall.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch..
We’ll all be going on about this Plax/Marshall discussion and the news out of Halas Hall will be that we just signed Matt Jones.
I was thinking
the same thing on my two-block walk home from work just now… we’re all in a tizzy over Plax/Marshall… we probably won’t end up with either…
hey man, you got a j? No? You'd be a lot cooler if you did...
by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 15, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
I’d laugh hard at that. I personally would rather see Marshall, but I doubt we have enough to pull a trade for him. I wouldn’t mind signing Jones or Burress either. More than likely we end up going into the season w/ the bunch we have right now.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
Wait...
So am I the only one that has a problem with the fact that Marshall may very well be a woman beater? My God Vick went to jail for like 2 years and everyone has scorned him. Plaxico should go to jail for being stupid, not necessarily for shooting himself. But it’s OK to have a guy on the team that has mulitiple claims of woman abuse?
F—- Marshall, I’d rather have Plaxico.
by Dils on Jun 15, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that is my take on the issue.
He is only an “alleged” woman beater but that doesn’t mean I would be comfortable with any women in my family dating the guy. I have no respect for that and it turns me off to rooting for him on any team I like.
That isn’t to say if we never hear of another incident from him again in the future I wouldn’t want him on the team I like EVENTUALLY. For now, let him be someone else’s headache. My vote is go with what we got unless something both good and realistic falls in our lap (I would say Boldin, but there is nothing to give).
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Didn't
Cutler call out Marshall at some point last year or the year before? I’m sure google could answer this for me, but I’m too lazy to look it up. I thought he was publically complaining about all his off the field stuff.
Maybe Cutler or/and Marshall wouldn’t be interested in a reunion, despite the success they had together.
Add to that Marshall is probably the most troubled player in the NFL off the field (except for Pacman), would cost players/picks in return, and wants to be paid like the top WR in football despite a high likelihood of further suspension and/or chronic injuries.
For all of Plaxico’s baggage, he is mostly just a self-absorbed idiot who is averse to authority. Marshall is a criminal.
DEJESUS!!!
“He’s not my favorite person right now,” Cutler said Tuesday.
Cutler said he supports Marshall and has talked to him many times about staying clear of trouble, including at a basketball game they attended together since Marshall hurt his arm March 22. However, Cutler admitted “it’s always something with him.”
From April 1, 2008 Gazette.com Colorado Springs The Gazette
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“It’s a wake-up call,” Marshall said.
Cutler was at his most agitated when that quote was brought up.
“I mean, the DUI was a wake-up call,” Cutler said, interrupting the question. “He’s had many wake-up calls. He’s been in Shanahan’s office many times and I’ve been up there with him. He said the same thing, ‘This is wake-up call, this is the last thing that’s going to happen, blah, blah, blah.’ Until he goes out and proves it, we’ll see what happens.”
Tuesday’s condemnation of Marshall was unusual for Cutler and perhaps a public sign of his development as a leader.
Anyone think maybe Cutler would rather do without Marshall in Chicago
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seeing as how the "recruiting call(text)" was made to plax and not brandon???
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Excellent point
Did you see Brandon Loyd was signed by the Broncs is that a back up plan? McDaniels is a joke.
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i really don't know how serious to take that???
just got back from reading the articles… i’m floored!
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They're becoming Bears Lite
That could quickly result in a Lions record
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LMAO!!!
here’s a lil nugget…
The Bears are not without talent, they do have some skilled players that can make plays, like Brandon Lloyd who has shown flashes. Lloyd biggest deficiency is his lack of consistency.
that’s a PRETTY BIG DEFICIENCY if you ask me…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
technically, he hasn't even been endighted yet...
and those other charges were dropped… the only baggage he has in court is from civil suit… i’m just sayin’
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Brandon Marshall imo...
would be a damn good fit, better than Plax. If we get either one, lets hope they don’t f—- up.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jun 15, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
Marshall vs. Burress
Marshall has not even hit his prime yet, Burress might be starting his downturn soon.
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First of all, Plax is better than Marshall NO DOUBT, but that doesnt mean
Marshall is bad. For Marshall I would offer Hillenmeyer, 2nd round pick(2010), Rashied Davis, and a 4th or 5th round pick in 2010.
so.... zero drafth picks on the first day, again...
and a shortened second day… no way!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
and the way it looks with all our free-agent signing...
say goodbye to compensatory picks, cuz those are what probably save our draft…
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The bears are too thin to make this trade.
I don’t want to lose Hester, Forte, Olson, or Briggs – and other teams would be able to give up that quality or exeedlingly good draft picks. Add the fact that his QB obviously thinks he’s a character problem, and it adds up to a…
no chance.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 15, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
someone should try it on madden, see what it takes...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
he's not even cleared to play yet...
rasheid would have more trade value than him…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Nobody
wants Hillenmeyer or Davis. Nobody. They have negative trade equity, meaning you’d have to give teams something just to get them to take those guys off your hands.
Can we please stop with the “I’d offer (insert player you don’t want, and pick you don’t care about) for (really great player)” posts? You are better than that people.
DEJESUS!!!
I have it on good authority
his mother picks him every year in her fantasy league
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Sure, but even she waits until round 18 to do, so she
doesn’t get laughed at by the other owners.
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Rashied Davis
doesn’t even pick himself in his fantasy football league.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
Madden is omnipotent?
The Bears should practice having Hester snap it to himself by removing the ball from his anus whilst on the line of scrimmage just like on Madden ’09… boom automatic 5-10 yards every down. That would suck if they fixed the glitch in the middle of their playoff run.
cant see this happening
denver has literally all the leverage here and this is nothing like the cutler fiasco. when the starting QB starts to cry about not wanting to play then you have to make some moves, but when your ego driven WR (who is still under his rookie contract) starts to throw a fit its a whole other beast. our FO can just let him rot (so to speak) on the bench and it will only cost 2.2 mil (lol) BUT if he does get traded i think we would have to get some type of #1 WR in return.
also as most of you know Lloyd just got signed which IMO is only an attempt to add some depth and familiarity (for orton) in the WR corps
the sports guru posted a nice article about the whole ordeal over at MHR if anyone cares
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Actually if you're following the Marshall story he left yesterday with a box of stuff
presumably he won’t be back for the Broncos. They may be sick of him and shipping him out.
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actually i am
and TSG has said that the boxes weren’t filled with his locker belongings, and are most likely his mail (he has been in FLA for some time now) he still is under contract and (as HT put it) it is obvious his trade value is no where near his player value so it makes more sense economically to just let him sit in time-out and think about what he is doing.
now i dont totally throw out the idea of him being traded but we should AT LEAST get a first and third and maybe even a player to sweeten the deal
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's funny how he is missing mandatory practices, carrying a box of his stuff home, and demanding a trade all less than a day a part
and someone makes an excuse that it is mail. Nice. Everything fits except the mail story. Just so you know there are these people called spin masters. It is their job to make things sound better than they are. I doubt it is mail considering all the other factors going on at this time, but believe anything you want.
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Or you can spin it another way
and you become a conspiracy master. Making small things seem more significant than they are. There MUST be something more than meets the eye. Not disagreeing with you, just saying.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
for all we know
those boxes could have been empty and BM just did it because he knew someone would start jumping to conclusions
also being a communications major i am well aware of spin and ulterior motifs. and believe me BM and the MSM have plenty of those
so you see him leaving with boxes as a definite sign of him going and i see it as a stunt
he may go but as far as any of us are concerned we have no idea…so back to my original point i dont see him coming here bc denver DOES have all of the leverage
- injured/rehabbing – pending court case – prior suspensions (he is one loitering fine away from being suspended) – even bringing this whole trade thing up is bad on his part -
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And... if he holds out of training camp
he gets fined… substantially, while he’s not making a ton of money to begin with.
And, if he holds out 30 days prior to the season, he forfeits the required amount of service to make him a free agent in 2010.
And… I’m not too sure Jay Cutler is a big Brandon Marshall fan to begin with.
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exactly
and regarding cutler and marshall, cutler did say that brandon always found his way into trouble (qualifying that by saying brandon isnt a bad guy) but he did also make brandon the most targeted WR last year so i think they at least formed a “work relationship”
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems to me
wide receivers don’t have the pull to demand a trade. I think I agree with you that Denver can do with him as they please. No offense but I don’t think you guys will be Super Bowl contenders next year (who knows) so sitting him until the organization gets what it wants seems plausible. Either way I don’t see this trade happening and I really don’t see the trade happening to the Bears. Sign Plax to a one year deal and get one of the multiple possibilities available next year. And hope there is a new agreement by then. I know it is way early, but I am gonna throw this out there, Roddy White would look good in Navy and orange. It is a bit of a crap shoot with the the possibility of no new CBA and limiting the free agents, but without a cap (or a new deal enlarging the cap) is gonna make a lot of teams players in next years market. But I’m rambling, Plax to a one year deal, try the pool next year.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions
hey ill admit the AFC West
isnt exactly the strongest division, so anything can happen
as for plax i dont think you even wanna go there… there is no way he gets outta jail time (i know there is a chance he can wiggle his way to playing this year) but i like your roddy white idea better
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
We only need him this year.
Roddy White, I doubt will leave something good in Atlanta, but hey anyone can dream, right.
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he'll walk with a 30 day suspended sentence...
and like 6yrs of community service… let’s not forget the GOLDEN RULE:
Those with the gold make the rules!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
plax
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
I agree
that he’ll end up with someone minimal as a sentence… he passed up a 2-month jail time deal… If his lawyer thought that he was facing serious time, there’s not way Plax would have passed that up…
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by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
something, not someone
hey man, you got a j? No? You'd be a lot cooler if you did...
by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Jun 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Plax is paying this guy a lot of money to avoid jail. If he is turning down 2 months, he has to believe he can do a lot better.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I never disagreed with you on where he would go, but do disagree about whether this "could" happen
things are going on in Denver. There are issues with players, coaches, and management. Marshall isn’t happy. He does want out. Management is sick of these type players and are moving guys out. I definitely think a trade is a possibility. With us? I doubt it, but with someone, yes. It isn’t doubtful.
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no thanks...
I don’t want a wife beating whacko playing at WR…I’ll take my chances with burress/hester/bennett…just not the dropopotamous..
Don't trade Hester - this will be his break out year
With Cutler throwing to him, Hester is going to join the 1000 yard club this year. Watch Marshall’s production fall off significantly now that Cutler is gone.
Marshall for...
Urlacher and a 5th round in 2010.
Marshall may have his “social disorders,” but he is uber talented and knows how Jay throws and can run routes (unlike Hester who can really only run down field faster than our old QBs could throw it). Urlacher has been “ailing” for a few years now and we have some depth at the LB position. Personally, I’d hate to see it happen, but is it realistic? I hope not, but then again, I never thought we’d get #6.
Looking at the Free Agent list above
How awesome would it be if we somehow snatched up Greg Jennings? Awesome receiver, and we’d get to break it off in Green Bay’s ass. Double victory!
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Juaquin Iglesias?
By all accounts he has had flypaper hands in camp so far and we might be giving up on him to early by looking at ‘big name WRs’. Bennett will also likely step up as well.
Marshall is a parasite on society as well as health risk, while Burress could be a cancer on a young team moving in the right direction.
With Olsen, Iglesias, Bennett, and Hester we have enough talent for Cutler to aim at.
I’d be reluctant to trade our R2 in 2010 especially when you consider some of the WRs fans are mentioning – Jennings, Boldin, Marshall – were taken in R2 or lower.
Of the UFAs next year, most will be resigned or already have been like Evans of the Bills.
The most interesting targets could be Braylon Edwards, if Robiske and Massaquoi step up in camp with the Browns, or Anquan Boldin as the Cardinals have Breaston and Early Doucet ready for the No2 role.
Hester could be a makeweight in the deal as both could do with returning help, whilst LBs like Jamar Williams or Hunter Hillenmeyer and a DE like Mark Anderson who could be a rush OLB in the Browns 3-4 or the Cardinals 4-3.
So Hester, Williams or Hillenmeyer and Anderson for Boldin or Edwards.
by kernowboy71 on Jun 16, 2009 5:49 AM CDT reply actions
An example of thinking with your heart and not your head
“With Olsen, Iglesias, Bennett, and Hester we have enough talent for Cutler to aim at.”
by lookingdeadred on Jun 16, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking
I guess pairing Cutler with his favourite WR from college who had over 80rec, 1000yds and 7.5TDs per season, a WR in Hester who has doubled his production year on year in 2007 and 2008, a TE who almost went 600yds receiving while starting less than half the games, and a rookie with excellent hands and expecting an improvement in offence now they have a QB with an arm could be a case of thinking with heart rather than head.
The same could be said of thinking that Marshall and Burress a) won’t be missing games by being suspended by the league b) won’t fall out with the QB c) won’t get in trouble with the authorities again.
by kernowboy71 on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, yeah, wishful thinking. Bennett hasn't done anything, yet.
Hey we are all hopeful, but you make it sound like college stats are a guaranteed crossover in the pros. I bet David Terrel wishes that were true.
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Not to be a downer
but Cutler and Bennett were only at Vandy together for one year. Yeah it was a great year and they both won awards, but favorite receiver from college? I don’t know. Between Hester, Bennett, and Iglesias, I can’t say I see a number one coming out of that group. Hester would be best in the slot and Bennett and Iglesias seem like possesion receivers. Not saying it can;’t happen, but none of them are cast in the mold of a big time receiver. I would sacrifice all of there development to bring in a true 1 this year or next.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
In my opinion, Hester will take another step in becoming a #1 WR. Cutler will obviously help him do that cause their skill-sets are a match made in heaven.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
Hester has a long way to go to become a #1 WR
His hands are sketchy and his route-running is sketchy. If he is able to be as effective as Gault was, that would be fine, but I don’’t see him getting any better than that. I would love to be wrong about this, however.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 17, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hands being sketchy I've seen but his route running has been getting really good.
He isn’t back and forth at all in route running. Unless you are referring to 2 seasons ago when he didn’t know the plays. His routes are looking sharp and he is constantly getting space over and under the D. And in the second half of last season you could see that he was consistently learning how to find the holes in the D.
If Hester can do a full season of the last 6 games of last year, he’ll have a 1000+ yard season and that is not counting the fact that Cutler is his QB as opposed to Orton.
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Not really.
It is getting okay. We’ll see how much it has improved this season.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 18, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Route-running
was pretty darn good towards the end of the year. Like #23 said he consistently found open spaces on the intermediate routes, and beat his man deep. If he ends up being another Bernard Berrian I’ll take it. I think his numbers will be more like this.
70 catches
1,050 yards- 15 ypc
7 TDs
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
granted, it was only OTAs, but...
his hands looked pretty darn soft to me…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Maybe Bennett and Iglesias will be monsters, but since neither have done anything at the NFL level, assuming that they will be good enough is thinking with your heart and not your head. Also, the fact that Bennett was not good enough to get any playing time at WR last year tells me they should not count on him to be anything special. If it happens, great, but they would be fools to count on it.
As for Hester, maybe he will double his numbers again this season (considering how low, 20 catches and 299 yds, his 2007 numbers were, doubling them last year was not all that difficult). Expecting 80 catches and 1200 yds is another example of thinking with your heart and not your head.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 17, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
please, show me how this is a fact...
the fact that Bennett was not good enough to get any playing time at WR
i don’t recall saeeing that anywhere…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 17, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he meant he didn't understand the plays enough to get on the field.
Talent wasn’t ever mentioned as the issue. Well actually he made it sound like talent, but it wasn’t talent so I’ll just clarify and save 2 more posts.
He probably isn’t Calvin Johnson, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be Santonio Holmes who also had a slow start to his career.
Kick it to me... I'm open!
Not- didn't understand the plays but..
couldn’t digest all three receiver positions. If the Bears allowed him to learn just one position he probably would’ve seen the field earlier.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
As I was asked on another thread, did you watch any games last year?
How many plays did they use Bennett at WR last season? If he has the kind of skills that some here seem to salivate over, why couldn’t he beat out stiffs like Booker, Lloyd and Davis for at least some playing time last season?
And if your response is that he didn’t know the plays well enough, please. If he is what some of you keep claiming he is, then he should have learned enough of the playbook to be useful some of the time, but he got no reps at all!!!!! That speaks volumes.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, one person is a little excied about Bennett, but No one else is calling Bennett all world. He isn't Calvin Johnson.
Some think he can contribute, be effective. You’re taking this too far. He isn’t a 10, but you act like is definitely a 1 because he didn’t play last year.
Not knowing the plays is pretty important. Hester looked like a joke not knowing the plays. They wanted to give Orton the best shot and that meant experienced receivers. Bennett could be good even though he didn’t see the field in year 1.
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I am not saying
Bennett is a 1 or a bum, I am saying there is not reason to get excited about going into the season counting on him to be the #2 or #3 receiver on the team. A lot of posters assume he is going to be good this year. Why??? If he had actually done something last year, I might be excited too, but he didn’t catch a single ball, and the only defense is he didn’t know the plays. That is weak. He couldn’t learn enough plays to get into the rotation, even for a few snaps a game? That is not a ringing endorsement.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Burress seems to be
the lesser of to evils (so to speak). Plax would be cheaper and not cost picks or players. If the Bears have a win now mentality, I don’t see how Marshall fits that bill over Burress.
I agree..
picking up plax adds a proven threat to take the heat off the rest of the crew without costing anything big. The last thing I want is to watch Hester return 6 touch downs as a return man for another team. I will take poor production from him in the return game, while he learns to be a wide out than have him do what he was ment to do (return kicks only) full time for a different team. Or, while I’m on a ramble, lets just take plax and marshall and put Hester back to returning all together…. lol… nice…
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by stupidhead! on Jun 16, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I would prefer Marshall over Plax.
Marshall isn’t currently facing suspension, and he is much younger than Plax. I would give up almost anything to get Marshall as long as he behaves himself off the field.
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