A Realistic Viewpoint on the Brandon Marshall Situation
by Adam T on Jun 16, 2009 12:13 PM CDT
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The Brandon Marshall topic and moreover the Marshall vs. Plaxico Burress issue has been pretty hot here since Marshall decided to stir up another rocky high dust storm. While there are some realistic reasons to consider Burress, especially if he does avoid jail time and additional punishment from the league. The Marshall deal is different. It is just easy to go after it considering how things went down with Jay Cutler.
I wanted to point you to an article at Mile High Report (run by John, one of SBN's finest). It is a informative bit, give it a read.
Yes, Brandon Marshall is choosing to stay away, "hold out" if you will, and yes, I think it is a horrible mistake. It's easy to blame Josh McDaniels or the Broncos, especially with everything that has transpired this offseason. This situation, however, has very little to do with McDaniels and the Broncos, and everything to do with a player looking to cash in.
I can't say I really disagree with Marshall's action, at least the idea of wanting a new deal. There is a lot of uncertainty in terms of labor negotiations, and with Marshall on and off the field. While all the players involved in the CBA seem to be saying the right things, talking of how positive they are that a deal will get done, no one in the NFL can rest easy until it happens. Guys like Marshall are in an unenviable position. Instead of looking forward to UNRESTRICTED Free Agency and the riches it could hold, if the league goes uncapped guys like Marshall would have to play 2 extra years under RESTRICTED status before gaining their freedom. In a violent sport, where your career could end on any given play, 32 games + preseason + practices = huge risk.
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The CBA may be one reason, but I think a second reason Marshall is doing this
is because Cutler is gone and he fears his numbers will drop. He would rather get an extension based on who he was than risk what he could be this season.
Also, Denver is messed up. They have some serious issues there.
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exactly...
he knows that his numbers are going to be way down this year and he’ll end up getting a lot less money because of it. everyone here knows what neckbeard can (or can’t) do and simms is definitely not any better. i’ve never seen someone throw the ball into the back of his linemen’s helmets as much as simms. it seemed like it happened at least twice a game when he was playing (i live in tampa).
Bowlen and McDaniels
have set a dangerous precedent by giving into Cutler’s demands. Now more players will be quick to request a trade with them because of past history.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
Of course having Marshall would be huge for our team
but I just can’t see the Broncos dealing what was basically their two best players on the team to one franchise. Whatever the Bears might offer, unless it is something ridiculous and hurts us in turn, I don’t see them accepting a trade. I know Marshall is younger than Plax but if we’re going to get either of the two it would be easier for us to deal with Plax. If anything I hope Marshall finishes his season with the Broncos, becomes a free agent next year and then chooses to sign with us compared to having to get in another bidding war with other teams. Either way without Plax or Marshall, I think we’ll still be great this season. We’re well equipped to win.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
I really don't see the need for the Bears to compromise the make-up of their team
by trading a player, and/or dealing away more draft picks, in order to add Brandon Marshall.
They added Jay Cutler because they believe he’s an elite QB, and elite QBs have this way of making the most of what they got at WR. Tom Brady did it with a bunch of average Joes, before Moss and Welker arrived. Dan Marino sent a pair of 5’9" WRs in Mark Duper and Mark Clayton to numerous Pro-bowls. Donovan McNabb and Drew Brees throw TDs to whomever lines up for them, and they haven’t had much to work with. And last year, Jay Cutler got a rookie WR to catch 91 passes for him.
Would it be nice to have a good veteran WR, with the lack of experience that we have on the roster? Of course it would. But, I don’t feel we should be trading for one. Some free agent options do exist… and as risky as those options are, they’re no more risky than Marshall.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Signing Plax
is definitely easier than trading and resigning BM. You could probably get Plax on a 1 year deal, whereas Marshall would no doubt demand a 5-6 year deal with a huge bonus.
by Mike Mueller on Jun 16, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This is my train as well.
Plax just make more sense THIS YEAR.
IF Plax is not suspended for any games this season, he would be more positive on this team than negative IMO. I would say do it and get that hardware ready!
I think we'll be ok without a signing this year, but you have to admit a good QB with a good receiver helps a lot.
As great as Marino and Brees and McNabb have been. None have won a Superbowl.
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Sure... you have to admit it would be nice to have a top WR
But, who’s to say we don’t have one already? Let’s be patient, as you agreed, and see what Cutler can do with this young group. Iglesias, Knox, Bennett, or even Hester might look like a star WR at the end of this season.
And to your point… as great as Moss and T.O. have been, neither have won a SB either. But, Tom Brady managed to win 3 SBs with the likes of Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, and David Givens.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Lets also include Olsen in that discussion
he isnt’ a receiver, but with Cutler and his skills he could do some of the things Gonzo or Gates do or did.
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Chargers and Chiefs never did anything with just a TE and those are two of the best.
I take in account Olsen.
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Windows are small and our defensive stars are aging
Who knows how much left are on the tires of Harris, Urlacher, Vasher and Tillman. All of those guys are fighting injuries constantly. We pretty much know Adawale is also gone.
We don’t know that any of the young defensive guys are for sure.
We need to take advantage of this year and if we get lucky next year. Don’t waste a season waiting, it may be our best shot. Next year we could be weaker on defense.
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I am not a fan of being a one year wonder. Plax is a band-aid for a year. I am not a Yankees fan, I want to win, but won’t sell out for it.
I'm a fan of Superbowls not just division titles.
If he can help us do it this year. I’ll take all the help we can get. I don’t want to regret it in Janaury with a first round exit because everyone stacks the box on Forte.
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Wasn't that kind of the point of getting Cutler?
Everyone is starting to act like we’ll suck if we don’t improve our wide receivers. I’d love to see us get some help at the position but we (supposedly) improved at QB and are essentially bringing back all our starters from last year. Brandon Lloyd and Marty Booker exiting shouldn’t scare anyone. Why shouldn’t our offense improve? Unless Culter’s a complete bust we should be better without getting anyone else. Mortgaging your future to satisfy your present isn’t building a franchise its trying to be a one year wonder. We need to see if Jay’s the real deal and set aside some money to get him here long term not waste a ton of cap room for one season and one player who may or may not be available all year. Hell yes, I’d like to win a Super Bowl, but I’d rather build a franchise that’s capable of competing for a championship year in and year out and gives us the hope of multiple Super Bowl victories.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
agreed
Plex with the Bears would mean hands down – Bears are trying to win THIS year.
Always put the best team you can out there – Cutler would love to have a target like Plex AND Olsen in the red zone. How could you possibly cover the bears in the red zone with the weapons we have? Plex completes the puzzle. I cannot imagine why Tampa would be interested in Plex – they dont have a contending team this year.
Matt Jones would be inadequate as I’ve never seen him really as a red zone giant.
Dude...
…it’s Plax. Lol
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by Ashley Czuba on Jun 16, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Sort of misleading
Matt Jones wasn’t a WR in college. Just started learning the position in the pros. He has the size to be a red zone giant and know his knowledge of the position started to catch up to it.
Plex to the Bears?
Probably not funny to most, but that is all my daughter watches.
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by David Taylor on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Worst timing ever
How is it easier to trade for then sign Marshall to a mega-contract then simply signing Plax with no trade compensation and a no long term deal?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
The Thing About Marshall
and the main reason I am opposed to this is that 1) yes he’s earned an extension on the field, playing under his rookie contract this long is not very good for him but 2) He has off-the-field issues and I think it’s fair for any team to say “yeah we want you to stay out of trouble for x amount of time before giving you millions over 5-6yrs” and 3) If he is wanting an extension and big money now who’s to say he won’t be pulling a Chad Sillylastname in 3 more yrs wanting a new deal. To me those are the three factors in why I do not want him for the Bears.
by Sam Householder on Jun 16, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
PFT is reporting the broncos have agreed to try and trade Marshall
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by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 16, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions
I really hope we stay away from this....
And, if we do have any interest in actually trading for a WR right now, we should still be focused on Boldin. But, we’ll just be mortgaging future drafts for a quick fix… when, in the long-term, the young guys we have now might actually be the solution.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
If I could rec it twice, I would.
My thoughts exactly.
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Thanks for the greenie
The Bears really should just be patient, see how the rookies develop & evaluate the position again next off-season.
If a bad injury happens between now and camp, then you’d have to place a priority on adding a veteran free agent like Matt Jones or Plax. But, a trade would just weaken the team at other positions, and/or mortgage draft picks.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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call me crazy, but I feel really good about bennett...
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by ifuwannacrownem on Jun 16, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Call me Shirley,
But I feel good about Bennett, Iglesias, and Knox. Hell, we might see 7-8 people catching passes every game.
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My new call is to go after Breaston next year.
You will probably hear a lot about it.
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I'd rather have more size
Breaston works well in the AZ offense. But I really want to go after someone with great size. I think Breaston would be similar to what we already have.
Wow
Bowlen and company have really fallen off their rockers.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
all them damn jerseys just pissed away in one off-season!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Plax, Boldin, Marshall, Jerry Rice
It doesnt really matter. As everybody is HOPING for in our young receiving core, we need someone to solidify the WR position. If we truly want Hester, Bennett, and Knox to take that next big step respectively, it would be more likely to happen with one of these guys. Crossing your fingers isnt the best way to enter a season.
You cant diminish how much any of these guys would help this team. And I would be willing to gamble on any of them. If its Plax, a one year incentive laden deal would benefit us cause I believe wed get the most out of him in a contract year. If its Marshall, how high could the asking price really be. Hes only got one year left on his deal and Marshalls dippin out of town anyway. If it were a 2nd Rounder, Rashied Davis (Ortons favorite guy), and a D Lineman (Anderson, Dvoracek, someone thats a solid backup) I wouldnt be against that. Draft picks are overrated when it comes to giving them up for PROVEN talent. i.e. Cutler for two 1st Rounders How many picks have we wasted on wide receivers that havent panned out for us.
This team isnt that far away, and Super Bowl runs are so few and far between (as we all know). I would hate to have a huge season fall short because we didnt address the biggest need heading into the offseason to begin with and knowing we had a chance to do something about it. If Orton needed the help then Cutler could use it to. The Bears have already proven they are in the market for a WR by offering a 2nd Round Pick for Boldin during the draft. And Jerry Angelo has said if not for the Cutler trade we wouldve used the 1st Rounder on a Wide Receiver. Soo, whats the wait for, Heres your chance Jerry, theyre sitting right in front of you.
I agree with you on most of this especially about Superbowl runs being few and far between.
We may have 1-2 chances before our defense is to old to be good. Hopefully young guys are stepping up, but you can’t guarantee that yet. Do what you can now to win!
Your trade scenarios are not very likely. The Broncos don’t want our 3rd and 4th stringers.
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I know, very unrealistic, but how much can they really get?
With one year left on a deal, I know they need d line help and Davis would be expendable.
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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
Maybe a 2 would be enough by itself. Otherwise, I don't think we will trade.
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No matter what.
The Bear’s are looking at a 2 to 3 yr window with this team and moves. U do remember watching that Super Bowl entry took 3 yr’s. ONE wide out will not define this team. Defense will. Just don’t give up 216 rushing when we get there. Opinion only.
Putting in my 2 cents worth of an opinon
The thing that im kind of looking at is we all know that both of these guys have their legal problems….major downers…. but youd have to look at the bigger uppers. plax uppers are that we could probly get him for cheap, he could be a good mentor to some of the younger recievers because of his expertise, and yes been to and WON a SB. the minor downsides to this guy are yea he could spend some time in jail….., yea he carries loaded weapons to clubs (which i honestly dont have much of a problem with cause there are some people out ther who just take things to far and after sean taylor and that oakland reciever getting mugged last year who can blame them) but i think he learned his lesson. only thing that gets me about him is age. im not saying hes too old by any means just sayin that in a perfect world you want a longer tem investment. On to marshall….. MAJOR downers…..beats his gf….. big problem because can lead to jail and the slim chance of just one time he goes too far and kills her on accident. DUIs…. do i really need to explain that one…… and the biggest issue if we (bears) decided that we can try and overlook/change those behaviors is the cost of him….. im not into the idea that we start trading bodies to the broncos (because we lack the draft picks) in order to get one man…. the pickups to marshall… hes young…solid investment (if he stays out of trouble) and he has plenty of chemistry with our new trophy QB. we have to look at it objectively. in my opinion plax is the better option tho not necessarily the better reciever. i would get plax and hold off on marshall because we are not the only team who sees marshall as a possible threat as well as asset. so get plax and let marshall slide and hope that nobody picks him up this year and becomes a free agent and then send cutler to talk to him and see if he can convince him to come to chi without a MONSTEROUS contract and resign burress and go into the 2010 season loaded with plax hester and marshall with cutler at the helm (best case scenario of course) that would be a team worth seeing in action!!!
by djpatrickroberts on Jun 16, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
NO THANKS!!!
His initials say it all B.M. cause thats what he is a bowel movement, I have no respect for someone who beats on women, we don’t need that kinda trash, talent or not. As far as Burress is concerned, talented but dumb, if he would carry a gun with no safety, and end up shooting himself in the leg, what is his next trick a high speed police chase, it shows me that he has absolutely no common sense. We have a QB now he’ll find us which recievers we have a legitimate.
by touchdown bears on Jun 16, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions
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