Plaxico's Making a Mockery of All of us.
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT
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First, before I get attacked by the legions of Plaxico supporters, let me say I think he is a very talented wide receiver and I believe he deserves to play in the NFL again. But I'm feeling slightly incredulous about one thing. Plaxico plans to plead "Not Guilty" to criminal possession of a fire arm. Let's see, Fact #1 he has no permit to carry a concealed weapon, a weapon that wasn't licensed in New York. Fact #2 he had a weapon discharge in public. Fact #3 He himself was wounded by said weapon, wounded and treated at a hospital for a gun wound. His own teammates have testified to exactly what happened. His registration had expired and he had not renewed it. I don't want to make this a second amendment conversation. I support the right to bear arms but if I'm driving without a license I'm not going to attempt a "Not Guilty" plea because I had forgot to get a new license. I get it, I get it, by pleading not guilty he'll postpone a trial until after a grand jury indictment. But this says one of two things about our court system. Either they are stupid or they think we are. Not Guilty?? How is this even a realistic plea? Say what you want about Donte Stallworth, he committed an atrocious crime, but at least he didn't dance and sing and play the criminal system, he "manned up" and pled guilty and publicly apologized for his actions. Why is Plaxico being allowed to hit the "pause button" of our legal system? I have to question the district attorney's handling of this case. Would everyone be allowed such considerations? I know everyone has a right to a fair trial and due process but this is making a mockery of our criminal system. No, it wasn't me carrying that weapon and I wasn't treated for a gun shot wound. Its all a conspiracy I tell you! I'm not guilty!! So he'll get his criminal case delayed and then when the season is over he'll take a plea bargain and do 3 months in jail and a year of house arrest. But Plaxico's "Not Guilty". Give me a break.
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by #23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's his right to plead not guilty...
1. the burden is on the state to prove your guilt
2. he’ll have to be endighted by a grand jury first
2. he will be tried in front of a jury of his peers
a. it takes time to put a jury together..(more wasted time)
b. what are the chances that in NYC, not 1 person out of 12 will side with plax
3. most state legal systems offer 3 “no questions asked” continuances to both sides
4. our judicial system is set up that way… you know that little “innocent until proven guilty” thing?
5. changing from an innocent plea to a guilty plea is easy, the other way around??? not so much…
everybody living in this country gets these considerations… the only difference is we’d be serving a 3 1/2 sentence, while plax, his money, and his attorneys will keep his sentence, if any, minimal.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Good rebuttal...
I had nothing for him. lol
by sirus19x on Jun 16, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does ANY of this make what he is trying to do morally correct?
He’s playing the system and the system is flawed. To address point 2, 2, 2a and 2b. He will be indicted, that’s a given. If you don’t think they can produce burden of proof I want to know what you’re smoking and can I get some. Second point 2, I said I get due process, I just think its a joke. 2a IS my point. He’s making a joke out of this by stalling and putting it off until he can cash in. 2b Is he OJ???? Also towards point 4 I stated I get the entire due process but ultimately can you or anyone here tell me you honestly believe he’s innocent? On what planet? That’s the point I was trying to make.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see below...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's rich so its justified in your eyes?
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just stating the facts...
first, i answered your question
But this says one of two things about our court system. Either they are stupid or they think we are. Not Guilty?? How is this even a realistic plea?then, i went into depth supporting the “using the system” thing for you, then i explained to you that “MOCKERY” you call it is afforded to each and everyone of us. but that’s where it stops… and this:
the only difference is we’d be serving a 3 1/2 sentence, while plax, his money, and his attorneys will keep his sentence, if any, minimal.
doesn’t sound to me like i was trying to justify it!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But you sound like you think Plax is in the right, that's all.
As in
it’s his right to plead not guilty…which it is HIS right, but not right. I think you and I are on the same page but reading a different paragraph.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just really sayin' that if he gets off...
it wouldn’t surprise me, but it wouldn’t be his fault. and you can surely thank OJ for that… and before anyone blows up on the whole OJ thing… regardless of what i think happened, if he HAD been found guilty, i would have seriously questioned our judicial system… it’s not perfect, but i sure am glad it’s there.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who exactly are his peers
and I wonder how hard it will be to find a jury that isn’t already biased in some way. I’d have to say most in NY know of him and have already formed an opinion, right?
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by Adam T on Jun 18, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
all it takes is one gun owner/ex-football player/sympathizer and he walks… although, i just posted a link in today’s den that says maybe he WON’T play this year…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 18, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you don't make up info, I won't attack ya.
Good post, interesting perspective.
He definitely messed up and broke laws. Maybe he is trying to get a better plea bargain or just avoid jail time. Maybe the judgment will be probation. I’m sure his lawyers are trying to get him a better deal than 60 days in jail.
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by #23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Windycity72 is right
and there are reasons Plax did this and mostly it was because he is doing whatever his lawyers advise him to do because they are trying to get him to avoid jail time after he turned down the original plea agreement and to be able to play this season.
And Stallworth didn’t “man up” like you claim he did, he had a DUI and was stopped by police after killing a guy with his car it’s a little different. In that case when there is a lot of evidence against you, you’ll get the least jail time when you plead guilty. IMO, Stallworth got extremely lucky for killing a guy while drunk and getting 30 days in jail, 1000 hours of community service, a few years probation, and paying a settlement to the family of the guy he killed.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jun 16, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!
almighty dollar!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and I stated his crime was atrocious.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute, there's not "a lot of evidence" against Plax????
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Windycity hit the nail on the head
I’ll add two things, they can still discuss a plea agreement while waiting for trial. He can change it to a guilty plea in 6 months and get community service, not likely, but it buys him more time and it is not unusual to receive a continuance for this amount of time.
Yes, Stallworth did plead guilty, but he agreed to a plea agreement that reduced his sentence to 30 days. Might be exactly what Plax gets. You say Donte manned up but who’s crime was worse?
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I here by retract my Stallworth comments
I just found it refreshing that ANY athlete in a controversial case would step up and plead guilty. They’re both manipulating the system. I guess he’s just as guilty as Plax. But he’s the only one saying so.
"The cup is not half empty and neither is the cup half full. The cup's just too damn big." -George Carlton
by Just Dave on Jun 16, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and just a "by the way"...
http://deadspin.com/5278841/donte-stallworth-pleads-not-guilty-to-manslaughter-charges
not to mention he used a loophole in the FL law…
oh and just for SAGs, check out how cleveland feels about him:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/06/cleveland_browns_fans_stunned.html
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Light flashing
Stallworth told police he flashed his lights to warn Reyes.
After first hearing he did this, how did he not have time to try to swerve his car?
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If stallworth can be drunk and kill someone
and only get 30 days. Then that just shows you that Plax wont get anything bottom line. He paid his debt to the NFL by being suspended by the Giants last year and paid his debt to society because he shot himself in the leg. Justice Served
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
preach it...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
we have donte stallworth who was drunk and killed a man and you are outraged about some schmuck who shot himself in the leg?
you need to get your priorities straight.
there is a family out there who no longer has a dad/son/grandfather/uncle.
perspective.
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by tempchad on Jun 17, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dude you're completely missing the point
Especially seeing as how he did say that Stallworth “committed an atrocious crime”. Stallworth is not the main argument, it’s the whole Plax legal situation (even though I don’t completely agree with his assessment of the situation).
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jun 17, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. he's complaining that plax doesn't want to do time so he's "using" the system
to get out of a victimless crime while he litterally is congratulating Stallworth "Say what you want about Donte Stallworth, he committed an atrocious crime, but at least he didn’t dance and sing and play the criminal system, he “manned up” and pled guilty and publicly apologized for his actions. "
for KILLING A MAN. he should be writing an entire post about the shitty system that let’s a murder spend 30 days in jail. not whining about how plax is trying to get out of this.
I was told that I ruined this house with my anger
by tempchad on Jun 17, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's the thing, he is addressing our crappy judicial system
by pointing out how Plax is abusing it and getting away with it. Just Dave decided to share his feelings about our joke of a judicial system by using Plax as an example because his situation remains extremely relevant and is in the news 24/7. If you believe that sharing your outrage at Stallworth getting but a slap on the wrist is worth writing about then by all means make your own post about it, they are free after all.
And quite honestly there had to be more to Stallworth’s situation if all he got was 30 days in jail, some community service and the victim’s family took a settlement.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jun 17, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah, a loophole!!!
but at least he didn’t dance and sing and play the criminal system
he absolutely played the system!!! (not intended for you dave, i think we’re square)
and i can’t speak for the rest of you, but our judicial is not crappy, these are the same laws and rights afforded to everybody on this site!
i once got a ticket for parking on the street during a “street sweeping” day… seeing as one of the earliest cuts to the new haven budget was tree trimming, i took the opportunity to take a picture of where the “alleged” sign was, and showed the judge that it was completely covered by trees. the judge dismissed the case.
my point is this, i’ve lived here for 4yrs, i knew that sign was there, and i “played” the judicial system… yah, it’s different, but is it really?
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 17, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the point of your post...
I agree that he played the system just like Plax is doing right now…
However I don’t know how you can sit there and think that just because we all have the same rights that our judicial system isn’t severely flawed. If you want to use small scale examples then how about this: I got a ticket for going 5 over the speed limit, went to court for it and got supervision and paid a fine while my brother got pulled over for going 25 over and the cop gave him a warning and told him to drive safer. Also, my dad got a ticket for going 7 over the limit and went to court and the judge let him off completely (yea I know, no one in my family can follow the speed limit, but who really does anyway).
My point is this: The guy had a loaded, unregistered gun on hand in a very public place and the gun went off. There’s absolutely no if’s, and’s, or but’s about it that he is guilty and the MINIMUM in New York for something like that is 3 1/2 years in prison (as their mayor stated publicly). The fact that he is able to draw this process out (until next year possibly) and chances are he’ll only get a slap on the wrist for it shows me that yes, there is something very wrong with our country’s judicial system.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf&#@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jun 17, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not denying that it's flawed, but...
obviously you’ve never seen the inside of a prison up close and personal!! i would “beg, cheat, and steal” to keep from going to prison TOO. precendents are set, and laws are to be followed… not always does it work that way. do i think it’s fair that my girlfriend gets out of EVERY SINGLE TICKET, everytime she’s pulled over, no!!! as a matter of fact, it boils my blood, but it is what it is… that’s all i’m saying: IT IS WHAT IT IS…
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by windycity72 on Jun 17, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The precedent of athletes getting off easy
has already been set a long time ago (on the anniversary of the OJ chase). I was just stating what I think will happen to Plax, in no way do I think the punishment fits the crime with Stallworth. But I will say this. Plax’s situation is not as bad as what Stallworth did. Therefore, Plax will get off just as Donte did. And just because he manned up so to speak doesnt make it any better, his apology is not going to bring that person back.
And Plax, as dumb of mistake as it was, didnt affect anyone but himself. Had he attempted to shoot someone else during the altercation, now that would be different. But by all accounts that I heard was that it was an accident. Weve seen in this city different celeb status people and their families get attacked for unknown reasons (antoine walker, eddy curry, and that actress Jennifer Hudson come to mind, even Shaun Taylor got murdered for his money)
Whose to say they cant protect themselves, unlike us, THEY ARE TARGETS everytime they go out. So just when everybody wants to complain how Plax should be held by the same standard of the law as we do, we also dont have to go to the bar or in public places and be malled by packs of people, as they do. And they dont know their intentions good or bad. Another name comes to mind Darrent Williams (from the Broncos). As windycity72 posted It is what it is
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jun 17, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraphs are your friend, not your foe.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
by LPLancer23 on Jun 17, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
HA. dude careful
i said the same thing to someone and got flamed for it.
I was told that I ruined this house with my anger
by tempchad on Jun 17, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both parties
in the stallworth case admitted fault.
stallworth for being over the limit and hitting the man
the man’s family for him crossing a four lane highway in the middle of the night nowhere near a crosswalk.
by mike b on Jun 17, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please don't compare
Stallworth and Burress’ cases. It’s a mockery of us normal citizens that Donte will only have to spend 25 days in prison for driving like a special person and killing an innocent one. The only thing Burress is guilty of is stupidity.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They were both stupid and both were accidents.
Donte Stallworth will and is paying a HUGE price for his stupid decision. He will live the rest of his days knowing his decision ended a human life. Ask Stallworth: Would you be willing to go to prison for half of your life, if it meant, the victim you killed could live again? IMHO, he would take that deal in a heart beat. My heart goes out to the victim, his family and Donte Stallworth.
by rdent4hof on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
but you can’t compare a self-inflicted accident with a fatal one.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait wait wait...
he accidentally drank all night, then accidentally drove off, then accidentally blew a .126?
sorry, this is probably the one time i can’t agree with you…(well, besides that whole other thing, but it’s not like a disagreed with you, i more just pleaded the “FIF”!!!)
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by windycity72 on Jun 17, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were accidents.
Stallworth decided to drink and then decided to drive. He knew there was risk involved (his life or another ), but did it anyway. Then he had an accident. (a tragedy)
Plax decided to bring a loaded gun into a niteclub (did he drink that night?). He knew there was risk involved (his life or another), but did it anyway. Then he had an accident. (a comedy)
by rdent4hof on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes... the two faces of drama!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. No one should carry guns. They're too dangerous and can't be handled properly.
Feel better?
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by #23 on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, not sure how to take your reply.
If I’m screwing up a joke, my bad.
by rdent4hof on Jun 19, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comparing drinking and driving to carring a gun.
Because drinking and driving can kill someone it is illegal and saying the same about carrying a weapon.
It isn’t that simple.
Carrying a weapon is a 2nd amendment right designed to allow citizens to protect themselves. There are legal places and illegal places, but the idea of carrying a gun is not dangerous. It is only dangerous what the person carries it does. Lots of people carry weapons and we rarely here about someone shooting themselves or honestly never about them accidentally firing a weapon that hits and kills someone else.
Driving drunk is never safe. It just isn’t. You are impared and driving a 2000 lb vehicle through cross walks, intersections, etc. It is so easy to not see a stop light or a person and that is why we don’t ever allow drunk driving.
My point is that there is a safe way to carry a gun, there is no safeway to drive drunk. Honestly I don’t care if a person carries a gun, I do care that they do it in the right places, but doing it in the wrong place doesn’t mean you’re going to kill someone. And one person carrying a gun in the wrong place isn’t the same as someone impared. He should have been more careful with the weapon, but he wasn’t pointing it at people from what I’ve heard. People don’t carry guns in a position that is pointing at people. It is pointed toward the ground (the reason he got shot in the leg). Can’t say the same about cars driving 50 mph toward other cars.
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by #23 on Jun 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said they were both accidents. Were they not?
The 2nd amendment is one of the most important rights we have. NOT ONCE have I EVER said I am against carrying guns.
Guns are dangerous (fact). It Doesn’t matter who has them and that’s OK. If they were not dangerous, Why would you need a license to carry one? You said,“we rarely here about someone shooting themselves or honestly never about them accidentally firing a weapon that hits and kills someone else.” No one has ever been accidently shot and killed. Were you joking?
by rdent4hof on Jun 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess exagerating a little.
My point is that carrying a gun is ok as long as you are in the right place. Drinking and driving is never ok.
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by #23 on Jun 19, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People in
America generally do what’s best for them, not what’s “right”. Wish it wasn’t that way, but it is.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 17, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The entire post sounds exactly like Jim Nantz on ESPN Radio out of Chicago the day before.
The entire post sounds exactly like Jim Nantz on ESPN Radio out of
Chicago the day before. You nearly quoted him word for word. You
should check it out. You’ll think he copied your notes and used a time
machine and went back and said the same thing a day earlier.
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by #23 on Jun 17, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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