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Jay Cutler's Maturity

 

Being that Jay Cutler was a Denver Bronco at the time, I really didn't pay any attention to any stories about him at the Pro Bowl.  But with the lingering media attention over his 'maturity', or possible lack thereof, with the unraveling of his relationship with the Broncos, I decided to have a look-see into what other pros and coaches thought of him as a player and coworker.

Here's an interesting tale, in light of Tony Dungy's criticism of Cutler's maturity:
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_11630573

Peyton Manning and others decided to have some laughs and throw Cutler into the swimming pool.  They took his cellphone away, but ended up frying his blood-sugar monitor:

"It was a bad audible on our part," Manning said. "I think we were thinking right, trying to get the cellphone. Then we realize, the guy gets insulin shots. We missed that."

Well, that's REALLY mature.  I'm not knocking an innocent prank, but Manning thinks far enough ahead to get Jay's cellphone to safety, but forgets he's a diabetic who might wear a monitor?  At least Peyton is 'football smart', I guess.

But more important than the hijinks is Cutler's attitude at the Pro Bowl, and how the other players and coaches felt about having him around.  Obviously he's a good enough guy, and 'mature' enough, that opposing players felt no qualms about tossing him in the drink.

And here are some more snippets:

He has made a favorable impression here, and not just poolside.

Cutler said hold on, here. Collins is 36, a 14-year NFL veteran invited to only his second Pro Bowl. Cutler insisted Collins play ahead of him.

"We're all out here in Hawaii having a good time," Dielman said. "We'll deal with that during the season. Jay's a good dude. Philip's a good dude. They're two competitors. That's what happens when you have two competitors going at each other."

 I've challenged a few of my non-Bear friends to provide me with any articles pertaining to Jay Cutler's immaturity on the field, in the huddle, in the locker room, or at team meetings.  None have followed through.  I'd also be very interested to see Mike Shanahan's opinion of the trade, but I can locate no quotes on the matter from him.

Here's another with mentions of Jay, McDaniels, Manning, and others:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090207/SPORTS04/902070383/-1

"I haven't talked to (McDaniels) yet, but I'm kind of eager to see what we can do together," Cutler said. "The decision was made and it was made with the best interest of the team in mind so we just have to wait and see."

Asomugha agreed: "I've always felt like Jay was the toughest quarterback for me to go against in the AFC. He's a real confident guy, throws a real nice ball and he's got some targets and he always seems to do well against us so I've got a lot of respect for him."

 And here's an interesting article from Jan 1, 2009:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Jan01/0,4670,FBNBroncosCoachingSearch,00.html

"I talked to Jay Cutler, and Jay understood ... I didn't get any negative feedback," Bowlen said. "I think he understands enough about the business of football, the game of football, that there are going to be coaching changes and changes in organizations. I didn't sense that Jay had any negative feelings about it, and I'm sure he is very interested in who is going to be the next head coach. Obviously, he is 'The Man' around here now, so I will be talking with Jay."

Bowlen acknowledges that Jay is 'The Man', and then allows his new head coach to shop him around?  That's downright peculiar.

Best of all, I located Bernie Lincicome's website!  He is one of my favorite sportswriters of all time, and he puts folks like Rick Morrissey TO SHAME.  Since the demise of the Rocky Mountain News, he has been writing on his own site.  What does he think of the Jay Cutler trade?

http://www.bernielincicome.com/mywords/?m=20090316

Let’s weigh it all. Pro Bowl quarterback. Pot Luck.

Who in his right mind does not go with Pro Bowl quarterback?

In five years Jay Cutler will have led whichever team he is quarterbacking to a championship, maybe a Super Bowl title.

Unless it is Detroit.

And, following the trade, an article entitled "Great Arm, Mediocre Head":

http://www.bernielincicome.com/mywords/?p=274

The Bears now have the best quarterback in the NFC, no insult to Drew Brees. And they have him for the next decade. The Broncos should check and see if they still have their wallets and underwear.

I realize some of this may be old news or have been linked before, but with the perpetual comments from talking heads like Tony Dungy, I think it's entirely fair to look back and provide examples to the contrary.  As far as I know, Tony Dungy has never coached Jay Cutler.  Why didn't Dungy coach Cutler at the Pro Bowl this season?  Because he couldn't beat the 8-8 San Diego Chargers in the playoffs, let alone win 2 games in the playoffs in order to get into the AFC Championship game as John Harbaugh did.

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1. I’m not going to knock Dungy for anything. People have opinions… and are entitled to share them. Not everyone has the same opinion. Big whoop. Dungy’s an exceptional man, and a winner… don’t try to put him down.

2. I have no desire to hunt down every piece of documentation that shows Jay Cutler is a mature individual. The media is going to question his maturity regardless… it’s their job to create controversy and stories. Don’t buy into it.

We’ve got a great QB… the best to play for our team in a very long time. That’s all that matters.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 7, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but...
don’t try to put him down

Why would I need to try? He’s been put down by Mike Holmgren, Dick Vermeil, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek, Bill Cowher….even Norv Turner the last few years. Dungy may be an exceptional man, but he’s lost far more big games, with better teams than the opposition, than he’s won. If he didn’t go up against Rex and an inexperienced Lovie in the Super Bowl, he’d still be the coach who couldn’t win the Big Game.

Dungy can invent his own opinions on Jay Cutler. But we can’t reinvent his career, or his 2 losses to a less-talented Chargers team in the playoffs the last 2 seasons.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 7, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Mike Ditka was put down by

Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Jimmy Johnson in the playoffs. And he had among the best teams assembled in football during those years. Ditka’s on TV all the time as well… and, you can agree or disagree with his opinion too.

So, what exactly is the point you’re trying to make about Dungy? You’re saying he’s a bad coach? A loser? Because he got beat by some of the best coaches in his era? That’s laughable.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 7, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what, pray tell, is your point as well?

You wrote “don’t try to put {Dungy} down”. I disagreed in a playful manner. Why not put him down, if he merits it? Is he a perfect human being that walks on water like JC (Jesus Christ, not Jay Cutler)? Or are you his mommy? That’s the point I’m trying to make – anybody is allowed to put him down, if we so choose.

Dungy was a coach who couldn’t find a QB in Tampa Bay, then inherited the best ever in Indy. He lost more big games than he won, only winning two or more playoff games in 2 of 14 seasons.

Dungy the Minister meets with Michael Vick in prison, and declares him worthy of second chance. Then he cuts down Jay Cutler’s maturity, as a NBC analyst. Can we please get quotes from the minister, after he meets with Jay Cutler, and from the NBC analyst about Vick? No, can’t have that, now can we??

And meanwhile, I agree with you about Mike Ditka, even though your analogy is flimsy at best. Other than the injuries to McMahon, the Bears should’ve won a few more Super Bowls with all that talent. But Ditka and the departure of Vainisi let the team devolve into a circus more than a football team. Certainly if the Bears had Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells they would’ve won one or two more, in my opinion.

Does that make Ditka a bad coach? No. But is he perfect, and shall we be spoon-fed his every opinion without considering whether he actually knows what the hell he’s talking about? No.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 8, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm tired already!!!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jun 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice homework on the post.

I think it was really interesting. Good to know that not everyone is believing everything they read. Thanks for the articles.

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jun 7, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cutler said hold on, here. Collins is 36, a 14-year NFL veteran invited to only his second Pro Bowl. Cutler insisted Collins play ahead of him.

Nice. We know he’s a competitor and has the swagger, but a diva? I couldn’t imagine T.O. or any other “me-first” guy doing something like that.

"They tried to take out the quarterback, and if they managed that, they tried to take out the backup." - Bears SB20 TE Emery Moorehead, on the mentality of *that* defense

by Spongie on Jun 7, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good evidence to the contrary

I love a good two-sided debate. Dungy could go down in history as the greatest regular season coach ever but his playoff record leaves something to desire. I know Colts fans who were very happy when he retired.

by GallopingGhost on Jun 7, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And don't get me wrong....

….Tony Dungy is a great guy and a good human being. But he’s a talking head now.

Lovie and Dungy are both supposed to be defensive specialists. Lovie made it to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman in far less time than it took Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning. And Tony couldn’t get there with Rex-like talent at QB in Tampa Bay.

Great guy, but he’ll never be remembered as a big-game coach, for sure.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 7, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dungy comments were out of line.

I have a ton of respect for Dungy but why in the world would he make those comments? I must admit that prior to Cutler becoming a Bear my opinion was that he sometimes had a crummy attitude only because of his posture and the way that he would carry himself when things weren’t going his way on the field. But It was also my opinion that he had the strongest arm that I had ever seen.

Passion For The Game, Loyal To The Name, Chicago Bears, I Trust In Thee, Standing Strong Since 1983.

by Haightminow on Jun 7, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I for one am very concerned about Jay's maturity.

  Rex Grossman may not have had the ability to throw on the run/ keep plays alive, sense the rush coming, scramble, see over his lineman, grip the football, or take snaps from center. But one thing is for sure, he was Mature! He might not have had poise on the field, but man could he handle a post game press conference after a 5 turnover performance.
  I just watched NFL Replay of a Broncos/Jets game from last year and Cutler was awesome. At one point it looked like he was about to throw a fit after his guys dropped 2 perfect passes in a row. Rex would never have done that!
  It does make me feel better knowing that not everyone is down on Cutler.

by weasel27 on Jun 7, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Well....
but man could he handle a post game press conference after a 5 turnover performance.

Practice makes perfect.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Jun 7, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re being sarcastic, then your subtleness is profound and I like your post.

If you’re not, then your post is really strange.

The first paragraph on Rex is funny as hell (if you think about it.)

And I hope we do have a QB who is ready to throw a fit if his receivers drop two perfect passes in a row. As you said, “Rex would never have done that!” Again, sarcasm I presume.

by The Kaiser on Jun 8, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Sarcasm intended with just enough subtlety to make you wonder.

by weasel27 on Jun 8, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha!!!!

Funny as hell. Rec’d…

And, I saw parts of that replay yesterday as well…

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 8, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So mature

that he went out and got drunk before the final game of the year (Packers) in ’06!

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu

by propheteer on Jun 8, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice quotes there… soid work

by wiltfongjr on Jun 8, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This quote from the second Bernie Lincicome article...

“When anyone thinks at all of Jerry Glanville these days it is that he is the man who gave Favre away. McDaniels makes Glanville look like a miser.”

BEST THING I’VE READ TODAY!!
  
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by rdent4hof on Jun 8, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post!

That’s pretty funny he had his monitor in his pocket; I usually carry mine in case rather than keep it on me. He’s lucky he doesn’t use an insulin pump, because I have to detach it whenever I go into the pool.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

"Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack." - Sun Tzu

by propheteer on Jun 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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