Who’ll Start Alongside Tommie Harris? (Poll)
by wiltfongjr on Jul 1, 2009 4:12 PM CDT
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It's a given that a healthy Tommie Harris is the starting 3 Technique tackle for the Bears, but who'll get the nod at the nose tackle?
I all but assumed Anthony Adams would win the job. Last year after replacing an injured Dusty Dvoracek, Adams play was solid. In four starts, after Dusty went down, Adams had 17 tackles (he appeared in 9 games in '08 and had 21 total tackles). In the 12 starts Dvoracek had, he compiled 29 tackles. Adams just seemed to be more disruptive last year. Taking it a bit further, in 2007 Adams played in 11 games with 8 starts and had 26 tackles. I know tackles aren't the only way to gauge a defensive tackle's effectiveness, but Adams seemed to get more consistent penetration.
Larry Mayer of chicagobears.com predicts that Adams will start. He also had an interesting take on the future of Dvoracek (as pointed out by GeauxBears). Mayer predicts Dvoracek will be around in 2009, but I think he's on the bubble.
Over on ESPNChicago; Jeff Dickerson, in a recent edition of his mailbag, predicts that second year Marcus Harrison will get the start at NT. His thinking was:
"... this is not my personal view of how the depth chart should look, but rather, how I predict the coaching staff feels about each position."
Interesting... I wonder who he personally thinks would get the nod at NT? I thought Harrison had a productive rookie season picking up 28 tackles and a couple of sacks while in the DT rotation all year, but I didn't know him starting in '09 was even being considered by the coaches. Maybe Jeff Dickerson knows something we don't.
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I think it might depend on how much we are stopping the run.
Harrison seems to be the better tackler, but Adams does a good jorb of tying up the center/ guard during passing downs.
If the Bears are firing on all cylinders, I expect Harrison to get the nod. Either way, we definitely will see some rotation between the two.
If Dusty makes the final 53 man roster (which BLou and others don’t think he will), he will probably only get used if we have injuries.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 1, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty is an injury waiting to happen
I agree with your assesment, I think Harrison will get the nod but I expect to see plenty of Adams on the field. Dusty needs to take care of two things:
1. Make sure the Oxygen is on.
2. Keep Gatorade cooler filled.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jul 1, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
both will get a lot of playing time within their rotation. I foresee AA to get the honors of starting, but Harrison may play more as the season gets going.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
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by propheteer on Jul 1, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Check yer email!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Dane Noble on Jul 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you'll have better luck getting replies than me lately.
Put it on the front page and watch the people flood in.
If you write it, they will read it.
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jul 1, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
The comments don’t matter, it’s just getting it out there for folks to read. I’ll get er up in the mornin’.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had read somewhere else that someone felt Harrison might be a starter this year, too (foget where, exactly…??)
I feel like Dusty’s still got a high motor…and I read a bit somewhere about him know this is a do-or-die season for him, and how he’s been cutting out press clippings that said he’s all but done, and that he’s “another injury waiting to happen”, and the like…
Right now, my HEAD says AA’s the guy….but my heart wants to see Dusty play like we all thought he could, before the injury bug infestation.
In SOME ways, it’s moot, though, when you consider the Bears’ propensity for rotating the tackles…ideally, they’re ALL healthy and playing at a high level, and they can tsart acording to their strengths and the given situation.
If (once?) we get the line playing (Rod willing…haha), the rest falls into place from there.
Then, it may not be too long before we’re shufflin’ again… ;-)
Bear Down.
by Amishbear on Jul 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reports are Dusty is in the weight room working out like a mad man… I hope he is 100% and can contribute
by wiltfongjr on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Dusty's attitude
and when healthy he is a fine DT, but he is china.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 2, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think of Dusty as more of this guy
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 2, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy would like a word with you... (sorry mike b)
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by Dane Noble on Jul 2, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't see the pic
Skynet doesn’t allow it. I’ll have to look when I get home.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jul 2, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NSFW
http://iamnotamistake.ytmnd.com/
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 2, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him on there and was tempted to use him but...
I thought the other one was pretty funny.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jul 2, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else thinks that was Shymalans best flick?
Boy, it seems like his films get dumber with every release
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 2, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he says he would like to do a sequel to Unbreakable… I’d see it!
by wiltfongjr on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say it was he best one
that village one made me want to stab somebody, that was just plain stupid.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 3, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED!!!
“I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!” was the highlight of his career!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jul 3, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His dedication in the weight room has never been an issue.
I believe he won all types of powerlifting awards through HS and college and I heard somewhere that he’s the strongest player on the team.
by dakoose on Jul 8, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like #95
I am sure he f’s up like every one else, but my memory of AA has consistent good play against the run. Not the best NT in the world but I like him very much as a starter. Harrison has promise and I hope DD goes w/Mike Brown to the Chiefs.
by reefermadness3 on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could definitely see
Harrison getting the nod. He is a very good player and he should take some major strides in his second season (Do I sound like Larry Mayer or what) and I do recall seeing a quote recently from Marinelli about Harrison having a ton of potential and ability.
by GallopingGhost on Jul 1, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading how out of shape Harrison was at the start of OTA’s, I guess Marinelli kicked his butt into shape!
by wiltfongjr on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
I remember reading Harrison gained weight because he had been asked to. Sorry, I can’t find the article again.
by rdent4hof on Jul 2, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember where I read about him looking out of shape, but here is a blurb about him bulking up to play NT…
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/06/safety_picture_begins_to_clear.html#more
and I found this interesting stat:
TOTAL DEFENSIVE PLAYS: 1,111
Marcus Harrison 419, 37.71 percent, 16 games
Dusty Dvoracek 401, 36.09 percent, 12 games, 12 starts
Anthony Adams 300, 27.00 percent, 9 games, 4 starts
by wiltfongjr on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting stats, indeed...
and now, he’s the apple of marinelli’s eye? maybe he will get the start…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jul 2, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison by all Accounts
is Marinelli’s pet project (a la Warren Sapp, whom was also drafted 1 year before RM came in to be the DLine Coach, here’s to hoping he can have such a career!)
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 2, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be something...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Jul 2, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Harrison jumped out to the lead in the poll!
by wiltfongjr on Jul 2, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison's rookie year...
was far more impressive than either dusty or adams last year..neither got a sack our dline needs to get sacks and pressure on the qb..
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by tomh115 on Jul 1, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
since Harrison seems to be the more talented player
I would hope he wins the job over Adams. I like Adams, I think he is a solid DT who can help the team by giving them depth at a critical spot, but Harrison and even first pick Gilbert, are more talented and have more upside.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 2, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gilbert is....
a 3 technique guy..not a nose tackle..he will get rotation in behind harris our other 3 technique guy..for the nt we need a 5 technique guy or a big space filler..i am really hoping dusty stays healthy to give some rotation for harrison of which i hope is the starter. harrison is a lot better on paper than either dusty or adams (last year stats)
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
by tomh115 on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
i just read that harrison is a 3 technique guy..but i swore he played NT at arkansas…
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
by tomh115 on Jul 2, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has the strength and size to play the nose in the 4-3 D, and it’ll be an interesting batle once camp opens up
by wiltfongjr on Jul 2, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he did
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say what Gilbert will be
While he is not your stereotypical wide body NT type of D-lineman, but he is extremely quick and athletic. He could be more of a penetrating, disruptive NT, not the typical spaceater who swallows up two or three blockers.
Gilbert was a DE to start his college career, moving inside his junior year. I keep hoping to see him get time at DE, his natural spot, a spot where the Bears need a playmaker, but he could be highly effective alongside Harris in passing situations.
I agree regarding Harrison, he is on paper at least, the best choice for the spot opposite Harris. Now if Dvoracek could stay healthy, he and Harrison would be quite the 1-2 punch at NT, but I expect Dusty to get hurt again and then be gone, so Adams, a solid if unspectacular player, gets the nod to backup Harrison.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 3, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he was drafted
they said Gilbert was going to backup Harris as a 3-technique, but that could’ve changed during OTAs.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I’ve read leads me to believe he’ll learn the 3-Technique
by wiltfongjr on Jul 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know they drafted him as a DT not a DE
but if they need him more at DE he could be a playmaker on the edge.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on Tommie's knee situation
I think it will be Dr. James Andrews, noted orthopedic surgeon……
by BearFan611 on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow no love for double D?
dusty was solid last year stuffed the run well good compliment to tommie i was disappointed he got hurt but i think harrison could breakout this year the dline depth is huge adams dvoraceck idonije harrison gilbert anderson and melton all are going to swapping in and out keeping the rush persistent kinda like the 06 squad with tank boone scott
ahhhh….the good ol days
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jul 2, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Dvoracek is a goner
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jul 2, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
either way
it doesn’t matter who starts next to harris, they’ll all going to be rotating in and out, keeping the d-line fresh. we may have one of best tackle rotations in the league.
by Nih1lus on Jul 4, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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