Thought I'd Pay a Visit.
With all the changes my beloved Broncos suffered I really haven't had time to explore other SB sites. It seemed only right that I should start with a few of my alternate favorite teams to root for (unless you're playing us).
My main reason for this post is to see how your team is progressing and your expectations, but I'll start with a very brief update on the Broncos.
Everyone knows the troubles we had with Defense last year, the firing of Kubiak's mentor 'Shanny' (as he's fondly known in Denver), our loss of Pro-Bowl QB Cutler, and Pro-Bowl WR Marshall's, "I want to be traded" mess. To keep this from being a 5000 word essay I'll just briefly touch on each of these subjects...starting with Marshall and working backwords to Defense.
Marshall:
In my humble opinion Brandon wants a raise...that's the entire issue. The problem is his hip and his off-field antics. No-one knows if his hip is an issue and won't until he plays....hips are funny things--ask Bo Jackson. As far as his 'off-field' issues--they are becoming further and further apart. Brandon is really a very nice guy--kinda reminds of Shannon Sharpe--but Shannon did all his (rather mouthy-funny-very-enjoyable) partying in the stadium during games...then went home and shut up. Will Marshall be in Denver this season? I believe he will. I doubt any team will fork up what his tallent deserves in a trade with these two issues unanswered. Will he be with Denver next year? I hope so.
Cutler:
This one hurt....period. Jay is the real deal. There have been some critics saying that he forces too many throws--but that is bunk. During games when he had a supporting running game Jay was nearly flauless, with QB ratings regularly over 100. The problem is we sent something like 10 or 11 RB's to IR last year...it was just crazy. No QB in the NFL had entire games put on his shoulder as what happened to Jay last year...I wish him well in Chicago. As far as our offense this year, I'll try to cover that next segment...
New Head Coach:
I couldn't be more impressed with Josh McDaniel. Despite the rocky start and the Cutler debalcle he has been nothing but professional. The funny thing is...is he reminds me of Shanny when he first became HC and Kubiak's love of being involved (on a personal basis) with the offense. I personally think we will have just as good, if not a better, offense than we had last year. Our OL is set--one of the best in the NFL--and we've made a really fun addition. I was absolutely shocked (considering our defensive problems) when we took Knowshon Moreno with our first pick. At the time it didn't make sense. After studying, however, Knowshon's career and videos I couldn't be more excited. He is a true 'one-cut' don't-give-up runner and our only 'hold-overs' in coaching were our OL and RB coaches. He may not be the next Terrell Davis--but he is what I'll call a 'complete-natural' at RB. We also have a secret weapon in a FB named Peyton Hillis, who, in just three short games, became possibly the most popular player in Denver. I kid you not this guy is 'Larry Csonka' with really great hands and a lot more speed. In fact his first five-yard burst may be as fast as any in the league--and the guy is over 250 lbs. His top speed may not be that great but watching him put his head down and plow his way over defenders for another five, six, seven yards is just plain fun. Old fashion 'Smash-Mouth' football. Almost brings a tear to this old-blogger's eye.
After watching Cutler for a couple years Kyle Orton is indeed a step back--as far as tallent. However, Kyle is looking good as a leader and really picked up McDaniels complicated offense in a hurry. If Brandon shows up to really play this year--our offense is going to be awsome.
Defense:
Our changes in Defense may have me more excited about this season than I've been in years. McDaniels obviously wanted to focus on the offense so he brought in Mike Nolan as our DC. As I said before I was shocked by the lack of defensive picks this draft--but then again--I didn't have access to team films that Josh and Mike had for 3 to 4 months before the draft. I am so happy to see our defense go back to a 3-4 alignment. I don't know if any of you are familiar with Joe Collier but he basically invented the 3-4 defense which resulted in our 'Orange Crush' defense and Denver finally could win. and win again.........and again...........ever since.
We have lacked this quality the last couple years but I have a funny feeling that we are about to get it back right away. Another aspect we have lacked is the word 'attack' in our defense and one of the first statements out of Nolan is, "This will be an attacking defense." Yes!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!! I love it!!
One of the first moves Nolan made was to bring Brian Dawkins in--what a great move--instant stability and leadership in the locker room. With Bailey and Dawkins in the secondary we may be a defensive force much sooner than people think. The other fun surprise is the number is the amount of tallent we already had that did not fit in the last two year's defensive schemes. Many of us here at Mile High Report are shaking our heads and realizing that we have a plethora of good athletes that fit in a 3-4 scheme. There have been several posts comparing us to the, "No Name" defense that carried Miami through its Super Bowls. I Kid you not........I am really excited. The MSM may think we didn't address needed issues but I have a gut feeling that we may accidently have three of the best defensive line-men in the NFL. I could be wrong--but I don't think so--I've watched this game for a long time. Watch for these names:
Marcus Thomas, Carlton Powell, and Chris Baker.
Put these names in your where-ever and remember you heard it here first.
WOW!! I am so sorry!! I came here to ask you guys a couple questions and wondered how I could do that and meet the 75 or 100 word requirement (whatever it is).
Anyway here are my questions:
1. What do you feel are the most positive changes to your team this year?
2. Are there any negative changes to your team?
3. Should Favre give it up..and if he doesn't can you handle him?
4. Will you make they playoffs?
5. What will be your season record?
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Hey, thanks for checking in...
Well, as with every off season, we are all giddy with anticipation. The offense looks great on paper and young to boot (check this link). Like your D we will simply not know what to expect until they get on the field and actually play at full speed.
Our D is in a make-or-break year. There is great hope that Marinelli will get Harris and the D line back to SB ‘06 form, but again, who knows. The big negative is that we did little to add proven defensive talent, so again the hopes are pinned on better coaching and execution.
As for Favre, he will not make the Viqueens any better, and the Bears have had his number for the past few seasons anyway.
The Bears will surely make the playoffs and I personally believe they make the conference championship game; can’t quite bring myself to believe SB yet.
The regular season record should be 10-12 wins depending more heavily on the defensive performance (especially the D-line and safeties).
As for what I see in Denver, I too expect Marshall to play for you this season. Two questions, what is your honest feeling about Nolan? (I lived in the Bay Area for a few years and watched him just not get it done); and Will the front 7 on Denver’s D really shape up to stop the run heavy AFC West?
by LostInSTL on Jul 17, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LostinSTL...I think Nolan is a great coach as long as he only observes defense.
Not sure what happened in SF—didn’t follow aany stories. I do know that the words, ‘attack’ and ‘defense’ in the same sentence is something that has been sorely missing in Denver. That kind of Defense is what made us! I welcome it back with open arms.
‘Viqueens’ LOL!! Its funny what us fans come up with for team in our devisions. LOL Viqueens!! LOL
Favre the ‘Viqueen’ ……………..LOL.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Clark in Da House!
It’s been a while my friend… thanks for stopping over.
1* Cutler/ Pace/ Kevin Jones spelling Forte/ Rod Marinelli
2* Nothing to speak of sir!
3* I would play until my arm fell off before I quit, so I can’t blame him for not being able to walk away. Can we handle him? Hopefully. With a Favre-led Vikes team, I’d hope we could just split the 2 game series.
4* Yes!
5* 12-4 baby… North Champs!
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by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's up G-Bears?
Things have been so strange this off-season that I completely quit posting. Its fun to get back into the swing-of-things.
Thankyou for not finding anything negative—during Off and Pre-Season we have not yet lost.
My battlecry for Denver….until it isn’t………is:
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Playoffs here we come!!!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the photo
big LOL
I Have Spoken.
by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
A Denver fan attending college in England made it for me.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree with Geaux and thanks for the post.
12-4 all the way…North Champs all the way…and without a doubt Cutler and Pace have been the biggest improvements. The thing that I was really shocked by this off-season was that Angelo finally did his job and went out and got a lot of talent or potential talent at numerous positions. Without a doubt we will be very good this season. If Turner can’t produce offense this year, he will be the tird in our super bowl and will need flushed.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jul 17, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Was Rex really a ‘Test-Tube-Baby’……………….?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon is really a very nice guy--kinda reminds of Shannon Sharpe
There wasn’t a ‘nicer guy’ in the world than O.J. Simpson . . . until -———-
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Marshall and OJ should not even be mentioned in the same sentence... here's OJ anyway :)

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 17, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Everybody said that Rae Carruth was a ‘nice guy’ too.
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow there's a name I never thought I'd hear again.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blast from the past
anyone else remember watching court proceedings and one of the co-defendants on the stand continually refer to Carruth as “the bitch”? Very funny stuff, at least as funny as a murder trial could be anyway.
by reefermadness3 on Jul 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only are some people immoral
(killing your pregnant girlfriend to save on child support) but they are STOOPID!
Like hiring the Three Stooges to ‘do the deed.’
How insane is that? You have the world at your feet. You’re in the NFL (something most guys (including myself) would sell their souls for) and you throw it all away cause you were too stupid not to use a Trojan.
Instead, you have her killed and you now sit in prison.
She’s dead, you’re in prison, and the kid grows up without either parent.
Unbelievable.
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, let's not do this...
this is a great FanPost from made by a fella coming over from MHR… and you won’t find a nicer poster. Really, I’m not sure what your original comment or this comment is about, but let’s not take this thread down that path.
Thanks!
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem.
However, if someone says this: Brandon is really a very nice guy
What they are really saying is :Despite all those pesky domestic abuse allegations, Brandon is really a very nice guy.
OK.
(And BTW: How do YOU know)!
I’ll (thankfully for all) shut up now.
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a bull dog with a bone. I truly enjoy you Geo.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Jul 17, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Dave
You have truly (in the words of Dirty Harry) made my F’ing day (with that comment of yours).
Grrrrr.
Feel free to look me up if you ever find yourself in Phoenix, AZ.
(That invitation applies to ANY of you other SOB’s on WCG as well).
Seriously.
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Geo
I’m not with the whole “nice guy” thing when it comes to a guy that obviously has some “issues” with women. I’m a fan of the game of Football but I can definately seperate a game from real life. The guy has issues with domestic violence and I’m not with that!
by Dils on Jul 19, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Come on Geo
that’s a bit extreme……….don’t you think.
I don’t like the fact that Brandon supported Obama either………….but he’s no OJ.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Clark you are a gem.
I don’t like the fact that Brandon supported Obama either………….but he’s no OJ.
That right there is funny I don’t care who you are. :)
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol--I'm glad someone caught it.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hello
1. Cutler/OL upgrades/removing Babich from DC duties. Also agree with keeping #27.
2. None so far
3. I hope not as seeing Favre in Minnesota will hopefully mean less rushing attempts for bear-killer Adrian Peterson which for us is always a good thing.
4. Absolutely
5. 16-3 after hoisting the Lombardi trophy GO BEARS!
nice post, I remember being very impressed the couple of times I saw Hillis in action last year. Kinda reminded me of old Ironhead Heyward. Also a big fan of Dawkins.
by reefermadness3 on Jul 17, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reef, I love your optimism..........
16-3 Baby!!!!!!!!!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears had a Carl Powell who played briefly for them.
Maybe this Carlton Powell will provide the cosmic dharma to balance out the Cutler trade. Either way I think your team is a giant question mark. You have some very valid reasons for optimism but prudence says there are more questions than answers at this point. As to your questions;
1. We got Cutler.
2. We have no proven wide receivers (but see #1)
3. We have basically had Favre’s number since Lovie took over.
4. Why not?
5. 10-6 or better.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Jul 17, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I need to also resond to number 2.
Cutler will help your receivers…..Jay is really good.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wonder...
How good would Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal have been last year without Cutler throwing to them? We will find out this year if the QB makes the receiver or the other way around. In the end, I do believe that Olsen and Clark are better than Tony, so at least there will be a couple of TEs to throw to.
by ddub101 on Jul 20, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie's numbers may well go up--he is a very disciplined route runner which will fit well into McDaniels system.
Brandon’s will probably go down—Cutler was not afraid to drill one to Marshall in coverage.
The combo worked great the first half of the season—but when Brandon’s hip went bad he no longer had the needed push—which ended up in a lot of ints. the second half of the year.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, I'm glad you brought up Carlton Powell and I think your 10-6 prediction is very conservative...
Did you know that Carlton, in four years, held rushes against him to negative yards?
I hope, if Favre decides to play, that the Bears indeed have his number…
Brett needs to retire and prep for the HOF.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 17, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question for Mike.
Mike:
Doesn’t it make you the least bit nervous that really, no Belichick disciples have fared well as a HC (Weis, Crennel, Mangini)?
Curious as to your opinion on this subject?
by GeoMak on Jul 17, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It did at first....
But not after watching his interation with the players. Josh seems to be a natural teacher. He also started his coaching career as a defensive asst. which is something Shanny sorely lacked.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it works
out for all involved. The Broncos are a great team in a great city. He has put a lot of extra pressure on himself with the Cutler situation; only time will tell if he’s up to the challenge.
BTW: Just for the record, my point concerning OJ was this: When he was first arrested for domestic abuse, it wasn’t highly publicized (at the time). It was a little under-the-radar and a little bewildering for people at the time.
People thought of OJ as a ‘nice guy’ and it seemed so out of character for the OJ everybody thought they knew (from the NFL, commercials and movies).
Any comment ‘comparing’ Marshall to OJ was to that OJ, not to the ‘double-murderer’ OJ.
by GeoMak on Jul 18, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good questions
1 – Cutler, Marinelli, Pace, Omiyale,
2 – … Mike Brown no longer a Bear…
3 – yes
4 – yes
5 – 10 wins minimum, maybe as high as 13!
by wiltfongjr on Jul 18, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good jorb on #2.
I think I was in denial when I answered that one.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 18, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Broncos going to
trade us Marshall? There are a lot of rumors going around
I Have Spoken.
by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No I don't think we will trade Brandon.
Until we see how his hip has healed, and his off-field issues stop, we cannot get what his tallent deserves in a trade.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good
but if the someone offered the broncos a 1st and 3rd round pick for him would you take it
I Have Spoken.
by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...sounds good on paper...
but if ‘Bad Brandon’ morphes into ‘The Good Marshall’ no trade is worth his tallent.
He is really special.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see him in a bears uniform
How long do you think till he straiitens out?
by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's watch this year......and see
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers to Questions
1. Cutler/o-line
2. Secondary, it didn’t change for the worse persay (other than Mike Brown being shown the door) but it hasn’t changed for the better, which is worse.
3. No, he’s a good player I just hate the MSM beating it to death. If he comes back, great but I don’t need “Favre Watch 2009” on ESPN 24/7. I think the Bears can handle him, they did his last few years with the Pack I think either way the best we can do is split with the Vikes, they are loaded.
4. Heck yes we will. We missed it by 1 game last year, you’d have to think that all the changes we made make us at least 1 game better than last year.
5. 11-5
by GallopingGhost on Jul 18, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right about the Vikings---they look really good on paper this year.
Its too bad I can’t stand them.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't either...
but they sure do have a tough football team. The North over the next several years is going to look like the old Black and Blue division that we used to know. The Packers are young, and certainly tough in their own right, and after they get moving in the 3-4 defense, they’ll be right in the mix with the Bears and the Vikes.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 18, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You have to wonder about the Lions however. I wonder if the ecomomic woes in Detroit will have an effect on the teams income.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what is it with 'indoor' teams? peeuuuukk!!
Love outdoor stadiums and tradition….
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quarterback.
Thank you Denver. Getting old, Favre is still playing because of bad financial decisions don’t be fooled. Division title , no less then a trip 2 the conference championship. Bear down.
There are only three types of people; makers, takers, and fakers. Which one are you???
by gaingrene on Jul 18, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad financial decisions?
Where did you hear that?
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 18, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk radio.
It’s been talked about it up here for the last couple of years from pretty good sources.
There are only three types of people; makers, takers, and fakers. Which one are you???
by gaingrene on Jul 19, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know about the troubles also...
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's doesn't have any financial problems
Guy’s probably got the first buck he ever made.
Recently, a writer gave the reasons why Favre still wants to play in the NFL. One of the reasons was that he likes cashing those big paychecks.
Who the Hell wouldn’t?
by GeoMak on Jul 18, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Mike
I like you and all, but you’re lucky if Denver can win 8 games, honestly. And not to be a dick or anything but talent not tallent. (I’m a stickler on spelling what can I say).
On a positive note for Denver I was really impressed with Hillis last season.
1. What do you feel are the most positive changes to your team this year?
Probably Cutler and Oline. Marinelli will work magic and the dominant Dplay (what’s been missing these past two mediocre years on Defense) will return to form… hopefully.
2. Are there any negative changes to your team?
Any negative changes (John St. Claire) have been remedied by greater positive changes (Pace). If I would say anything it’s that our D is aging quickly.
3. Should Favre give it up..and if he doesn’t can you handle him?
Favre is coming off of shoulder surgery and even before that he liked to “throw it up.” I don’t see him being that big of addition to the Vikes and he could possibly implode later in the season (a lot like last season).
4. Will you make they playoffs?
Yes
5. What will be your season record?
It all depends on the Defense, anywhere between 9 wins to 14 wins. Honestly that is how important the defense is to our success.
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 18, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that a lot of bears players are motivated this year to prove themselves

Kevin Jones coming off his Knee Injury
Cutler being traded (and called unnecessary by many fans people in Denver)
Adewale Ogunleye in a Contract Year
Pace and Pisa for being cut by the Rams (5 wins in two year and pro bowlers, niiice)
And all the other bears who are so called “washed up” like Tommie Harris, Brian Urlacher, Devin Hester (who of course could never be a #1 receiver)
That’s just the start of it.
Have fun with Orton though (he’ll be a good game manager)…
when he’s not drunk/cheating on his wife

If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 18, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 18, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny, do you really feel the best Denver can do this year is 8-8?
Can you give me a couple reasons?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched a few games last season of Denver
and your defense was horrible, I don’t mean bad, I mean absolutely horrible all the way down to fundamentals. Even with a few additions like Dawkins (he’s good, but he’s not Jesus) and Robert Ayers (rookies that are Dline or Outside Linebackers usually don’t contribute much in their first year) it’s just as weak (3-4 takes a lot of talent too, more than just Elvis).
No matter what your new coach says the offense took a huge hit losing Cutler, he was along with Royal and Marshall were your offense that won close games
Ex.
Chargers 39-38
New Orleans 34-32
Tampa Bay 16-13
Cleveland 34-30
Atlanta 24-20
average points won by for these close game was 2.8. I think the difference between Cutler and Orton is worth 2.8 points don’t you?
Your Defense got worse as the season went on including allowing an average of 37.3 points per game for the last 3, at which point you only needed 1 game to get into the playoffs.
I see you losing to San Diego twice, splitting with KC, and splitting with Oakland (division record 2-4). Last year you split with every team in the division, so that’s not too far fetched. Then you play the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Redskins… etcetera etcetera. Lets say you win 2 of those games, that’s 2-7 against non division “good teams.” So that’s 4-11. Even if you win the remaining games that’s 6-11. I can see you winning two more games, but I could see you guys losing 2 more games. Hence I get to at most 8 games. I know you picked up moreno and others in the draft, but I’m being realistic, at least I think so.
I was trying to be nice saying you’ll go 8-8! I personally think that Josh McD could be way over his head, I mean I could be the offensive coordinator for NE with the type of the talent they have and look good. Just saying…
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny, I can't argue with your logic--you have a lot in common with Denver's MSM sports writers.
However I feel we have made substancial changes this off-season. I also feel the main reason for last year’s defensive failures had less to do with talent and more to do with a rotten scheme, lack of direction, and the inability to ajust during games.
I also have a simple philosophy during pre-season.
I don’t let either facts or logic get in the way of my enthusiasm!!
.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 21, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
There's wreck!
The glass is as empty or as full as we want it to be!
by rdent4hof on Jul 21, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL--rdent--I agree.........
as full as we want it to be!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 21, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My turn
1. What do you feel are the most positive changes to your team this year?
Definitely Cutler. Looks like the real deal to me. Mobile, big arm, accurate, and a leader(according to teammates). I really do think that he will make our wide recivers MUCH better and you’ll be hearing these words a lot next year-“Cutler to Olsen for a TOUCHDOWN” I also have to add the new O-line depth and signing Rod Marenelli. Hopefully he can turn around our D-Line
2. Are there any negative changes to your team?
Losing Mike Brown. He wouldn’t of stayed healthy anyways and it was time for him to go. But he was a true leader.
3. Should Favre give it up..and if he doesn’t can you handle him?
I think he should. He’s turning himself into a joke. Seems to me like he won’t be able to stay retired unless he wins a Super Bowl.
But if he goes to the Vikings it doesn’t bother me too much. He’ll make some nice plays for them and he’ll throw lots of interceptions. At his age it’s tough to say whether or not he could still be the same player he was in 2007 or even in the first half of last season.
4. Will you make they playoffs?
Another tough one. I think yes, but maybe as a wild card. I don’t think we’ll get that far in the playoffs until a season or two.
5. What will be your season record?
10-6 to 11-5
by CutlerDabears on Jul 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its funny, I've loved the Bears for many years but they have never been my first team--obviously that's the Broncos...
After reading the many responses to my questions the loss of ‘Mike Brown’ as a negative seems to be dominant.
Loving a team and following faithfully a team are so different. I didn’t even know that Mike Brown was a big part of your defense—in my eyes that makes him very special………and trust me you will miss him.
I have always loved players that are leaders on the field and in the locker-room yet stay out of the
‘Limelight’ ………this is a very special quality.
I hope you guys have someone that can fill this void.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
Mike Brown’s only down fall was his injuries. He was a great team leader and helluva player, and he will be missed in our secondary. Hopefully someone will step up and try to fill those rather large shoes he left behind.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lost that kind of player recentley in Al Wilson
Two years of defensive disgrace followed…
I watched that same sort of degradation follow when Steve Atwater retired. The only thing anyone, outside Denver, knows about Steve is that he, “CRUSHED” anything moving…and was very good in coverage (Atwater should be in the HOF by the way). What people never realized is he was an absolute ‘teacher-pointing-out-what-was-about-to-happen’ …once on the field that is.
Champ Bailey is a very great player…and leader by example…but he is so focused on his task that he rarley speaks out—that’s not his callling.
I believe Brain Dawkins fills this void for our team
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he belongs in The Hall as well (Atwater).
Correct me if I’m wrong. You had another solid safety alongside Atwater, (Dennis Smith) is that right?
by rdent4hof on Jul 20, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was Dennis Smith
Smith was without a doubt one of the hardest hitting safeties to ever play—we used to call him bam bam—but he was too easily fooled when covering pass routes.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atwater should be in the Hall
for his hit on the Nigerian Nightmare
by GeoMak on Jul 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can watch that hit to this day...
and it is still every bit as awesome.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 20, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Brown as well
but he wasn’t great in coverage last season. So couple that with his injury history, age, and declining production; it was definitely time for him to go.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
"We want to create havoc and chaos under an umbrella of discipline, if that makes sense." - Rod Marinelli 7/16/09
by propheteer on Jul 20, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post Mike! I look forward to hearing from you more!
#1. Cutler (obvious), O-line improvements Pace, Shaffer and Omiyale. I’m sure you know what Pace brings to the table, so let me tell you about the other additions. Shaffer and Omiyale are very versatile. Shaffer is very capable of playing either tackle position (he did in Cleveland) and will be the first guy in if something happens to Pace or Chris Williams. Shaffer was a very key addition considering Pace’s age.
Omiyale is a little more unknown, but was a guy the Bears were high on coming out of college. He has played Tackle and Guard (for the Chiefs) and will likely start at guard this year.
Another positive change is the shake up on the coaching staff. R. Marinelli is expected to bring some much needed ATTITUDE to the D and D-line.
So far he has: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=5925
Lovie is taking over play calling. Stripping the highly criticized DC Babich of those duties. This is a move that not only has fans pleased, but players as well.
#2. Mentally, safety Mike Brown is a big loss. Physically, he isn’t a big loss. As long as someone steps into that “coach on the field role”, the loss should be minimum.
I don’t consider St. Clair at Tackle a loss. The Bears added Pace and Shaffer, whom are both better players than St. Clair. In fact I would say Orton is a bigger loss.
#3. No, he shouldn’t if he doesn’t want to… And yes. Bring it!
#4. Yes, with confidence.
#5. I would actually be disappointed with less than 11 wins.
Biggest ?’s:
WRs (very little experience), D-line (W/ Rush Rod, can they return to 05, 06 form?)
I would say DBs, but without the D-line answering, it would be a moot point. In this system, you could have top level talent in the defensive back-field, BUT with no rush from the front four, it wouldn’t matter.
by rdent4hof on Jul 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its funny, rdent, you should exude confidence in your OL..
That was one of my main questions as to how well Jay would fit into your system. We had a great OL last year in Denver—but trust me—Jay made them look a lot better than they were.
It will be interesting to see how many of the, ‘Tight-Spots’ I saw Cutler get away from turn into Orton Sacks.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sack Factor will be interesting to see...
Last year, only Kerry Collins (8) was sacked fewer times than Cutler (11)… and Cutler had 200 more pass attempts.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 19, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a new running back or No 'RB' much of the time.
Geaux (which I take is a fancy way of saying ‘Go’)…
With off-season changes how will your running game be this season?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoule be good...
Upgraded the OLine, have a new QB who can punish teams who stack the box, and a (finally) healthy Kevin Jones who can help take the load off of Forte’s plate. All signs point to a solid and productive running game… and one thing that not many people have talked about is play action. I completely expect to see the Bears punish defenses with play action passes this season.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 19, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Play action could be the nail in the coffin for some teams this year.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I don't care who your WRs are...
If the Bears come through with a running game…Cutler will take care of your WR’s stats.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 19, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an attempt, to put to rest a concern of yours.
McDaniel’s offense seems to have many quick hits to the slots. This plays to Orton’s strengths. He’s very accurate in short range and process’s info quickly.
by rdent4hof on Jul 20, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've heard from people watching mini camp.
It’s good to have it verified.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is though
How good is Marshall at drawing PI on the deep ball?
by Allie on Jul 20, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon is not one to look at drawing PI flags--his focus is on the ball--so I don't think it will matter.
The funny thing about Brandon is that his talent is neither great speed…or even his size for that matter.
After watching him for a while his real talent is the tremendous body control for a man his size. Some of his side-line catches just amazed me as to how he kept his feet in bounds. This body control and great head-movements make him very hard to cover tight.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike
I was trying to give you a dig. And here you are all serious and nice.
Once Orton gets past 15 yards, his accuracy turns to shit. Thats where my PI came in. (that was the only consistent big play we could muster, the PI call on Devin)…
I liked Marshall. He’s really talented. I just wish he weren’t such a knucklehead off the field. :-)
by Allie on Jul 20, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol--I didn't take it as a 'dig'
Provided Marshall’s hip is not the real issue, and he shows up for work—he will fit very well into McDaniel’s system. Brandon doesn’t need a long pass to get long yards. He can take any short pass and turn it into something special. His amazingly deceptive movement with body control starts and then his size and power steps in. I really hope he plays for Denver for a long time.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you didnt' take it too personally
I was going for a “dig”… but nothing really low. lol
by Allie on Jul 20, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
1. Cutler, Pisa, K. Jones (healthy), Pace, Hester (another year under his belt at WR), Omiyale pickup, and drafting for good defensive depth (Moore, Gilbert, Melton).
2. Not adding a veteran WR (still able to), Chris Williams at RT?, FS position and overall pass-defense.
3. I’d prefer Favre give it up, but I’m not sure how much the Vikes are better with him.
4. If the Bears take care of business within the division, then yes (at least 4-2)
5. Realistically 10-6; hopefully 11-5 or 12-4.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
"We want to create havoc and chaos under an umbrella of discipline, if that makes sense." - Rod Marinelli 7/16/09
by propheteer on Jul 20, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Marinelli
Has the reputation as one of the best teachers in the game today.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
"We want to create havoc and chaos under an umbrella of discipline, if that makes sense." - Rod Marinelli 7/16/09
by propheteer on Jul 20, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hester reminds me a lot of Rick Upchurch--don't think he's as good as Upchurch--but I'm a Bronco...
As far as needing a WR…funny things happen when your QB can deliver a 90 mph spiral…if Hester can handle a fast-ball, he could suddenly become very special.
I hope Favre gives it up….but its funny…………..given a great team on paper (which the Vikings have) I would be a little worried about a last ‘hurahh’.
Hope for 13-3. That’s my Battlecry.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 20, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upchurch
Hester certainly has had a similar rise to power like Rick; exploding onto the scene as an all-around scoring threat. I believe a breakout year is in order with him, now that Culter is behind center. I don’t know how many times Orton underthrew/overthrew him last season (not bashing here, just stating his #1 weakness). Contrary to thought, Devin does have good hands and runs good routes.
Favre- might make the ‘Queens one game better (could be the difference between winning the division or not). I’m convinced he’ll play until his arm falls off.
Ok, I’ll go with your mantra. 13-3 at the absolute worst!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
"We want to create havoc and chaos under an umbrella of discipline, if that makes sense." - Rod Marinelli 7/16/09
by propheteer on Jul 20, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Clark
I can’t find an article that supports my claim, but a couple days ago on the radio I heard a report that says many Broncos players are complaining over the fact that McDaniels has a problem telling the truth. If I remember correctly they said they got it from Jamie Dukes over at NFL.com, so it sounds pretty reliable.
If this is true, does this worry you about McDaniels future as the head coach of the Broncos? Trust between coaches and players is paramount, so if the players don’t trust McDaniels it doesn’t bode well for your season.
Another point, I remember the reason many people called Cutler immature was because he ignored McDaniels’s phone calls and text messages. Has anyone heard Cutler confirm that he ignored these messages? I only ask because if McDaniels isn’t always truthful then, are we sure that these messages were even sent or that Cutler didn’t in fact respond? If that is true, does this end any claim that Cutler is mature?
Another question, not related to any of that. I hear a lot about all the weapons that Denver has, and that without them in Chicago Cutler will struggle. You said yourself that you believe Jay is the real deal, so is their a worry over in Bronco nation that your receiving cores production will greatly decrease because Cutler made them look a lot better than what they really are? Looking at it objectively, your two starting receivers last year were an unheralded 2nd round pick who was a rookie and an equally unheralded 4th round pick of a few years ago who Cutler seemed to do fine without during his 2 game suspension at the beginning of the season. I think Greg Olson and Tony Scheffler kind of cancel each other out.
by chase17 on Jul 21, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be...
immature not mature at the end of the 3rd paragraph.
by chase17 on Jul 21, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And corps not cores
Sorry, i couldn’t help myself.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Jul 21, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chase---good questions. I'm not really sure I have an answer so I'll give you my opinion.
With few exceptions I take all ‘rumors’ floating from the MSM with a grain of salt. The only integrity issue I’ve heard concerning McDaniels have come from Cutler and Marshall. Several MHR members actually attended QB and Mini camp and the report I get from them is that most players have been impressed with Josh. A report from Rod Smith said veterans liked the increased stickness and demands Josh was putting on the players. One of the things that caused Shanny’s fall (keep in mind that this is just my opinion) is he started being more of a friend to the players instead of a coach.
As far as the Cutler thing I don’t think ‘mature’ was as big an issue as ‘anger.’ I think Jay was pissed-off and couldn’t get over it. The sad thing is—at least from what I understand—is the whole trade thing was initiated by Tampa Bay. After that who knows what really happened.
Yes Jay is ‘The Real Deal’ but so is Eddie Royal. Eddie is one of the most mature hard-working players I have ever seen enter the NFL. Baring injury Eddie will have a brilliant NFL career. Brandon is a freak of nature…if his hip does not become a recurring issue and he stays out of trouble….he will break some NFL records.
As far as Eddie’s and Brandon’s great numbers, I think the fact that we only had three games last year where we ended with the same RB we started with had a lot to do with it.. I think both their numbers will drop off this year simply because I believe our running game will be vastly improved.
One correction. Brandon was only suspended one game last year. Game 2 against SD he had 18 catches for 166 yards.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 22, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it looks like my post is close to being pushed off the board.
Before that happens I would like to thank everyone at this site for all your contributions.
Wind City is truly a great site and you guys are nothing but pure class!
Thanks for keeping everything positive and making this such a great experience!
Until next time…
.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 22, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a recommended FanPost,
so you’ve got 2 weeks before it disappears. Nonetheless, thanks for stopping by… your contributions are always enjoyable! Come back soon!
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by Dane Noble on Jul 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I didn't know---we do things a little differently over at MHR.
Thanks for letting me know GB.
In that case I’ll continue to stop in every once in a while to answer any Denver related questions.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks also for a great site GeauxBears...
….it is indeed the ‘Butkus’ of Chicago Bears’ sites.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks... nice analogy!
But I will have to deflect that thanks over to WCG… he has built this site from the ground up, so he deserves all of the kudos for it being what it is.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the China club.... Drink up, Be Merry

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 22, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good Bears Den tag line to me.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 22, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
and I’m given it a big fat wreck!
by rdent4hof on Jul 22, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the same thing..... but it is a big fat monkey.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 22, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....... This reminds a Primus Album entitled,
" Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People "
by rdent4hof on Jul 22, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll be very happy with Orton.
I’ve been a fan of his since his Purdue days. The “game manager” label was put on him, not because of his abilities, but because the Bear coaches threw him into the fire with little prep time his rookie year. Grossman got hurt and was out, then they relied on Chad Hutchison through the remainder of the pre-season, then cut him when he didn’t show anything. They had no choice but put their rookie in, even though, the majority of the work during that camp went to Rex and Chad. When the fans and media were nervous, the coaches said all they wanted him to do was “manage the game” becauseour defense was so strong that year, and the tag stuck with him. During his college career under Joe Tiller, he (like Drew Brees) were the antithesis of what we all knew Big Ten QB’s to be with the spread offense and gunslinger mentality.
Regarding his ability to throw long, it is something he can improve, but the same thing was said of Brees when he came out of school. I don’t think it’s all one-sided that QB’s make WR’s or vice versa, you need a passer who is willing to take a chance at times and a receiver who will make the adjustments and make grabs that aren’t perfectly thrown. Without that combination, you’ll rarely see one of those positions completely dominate.
In my opinion, for the last several years, the Bears have never had receivers who would consistently go up and “get the ball” or take it away from a DB. That has been one of the reasons (not the only one) that Bear QB’s never seem to improve.
Watch tape of Kyle’s 2008 season prior to the ankle injury and he was a top third QB in the NFL. Unfortunately, he didn’t recover quickly enough to fully regain that early season form.
by BearFan611 on Jul 25, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BearFan
There are many Mile High Report members that actually go to QB and mini-camp. I heard nothing but good about Orton—which doesn’t make him Cutler—Jay is a freak of nature. If Brandon’s hip had not become an issue Jay may well have passed 5000 yards with five or six fewer Ints.
From what I’ve heard and seen, McDaniels is bringing in a system that requires a QB to simply manage…Kyle should fit well into that system.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jul 26, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Hope For Your Sake
That Kyle Orton manages the game better then McDaniels has managed the team thus far. Good Luck!
by Gesiakob on Jul 26, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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