NightLink: Where Do You Rank Jay Cutler?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 17, 2009 8:50 PM CDT
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Earlier this week ESPN.com put up a List Ranker with 20 of the top quarterbacks in the NFL and is asking readers to rank them. After the jump hit the link so we can all put Cutler exactly where he should be.
Jay Cutler's of course on the list, but no Brett Favre, and surprisingly enough Kyle Orton gets a nod...
Ranking the 20 QB's was a lot harder than I thought. As of right now Cutler ranks 10th, with Kyle at 20, and Peyton Manning on top. Head over and rank them how you see fit. Then come back and let us know which direction you took the ranking.
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My top 10
1. Brady- No explanation needed.
2. Manning- Smart and savvy QB. Can make all the throws
3. Brees- Really starting to break out. Very accurate QB.
4. Warner- Smart, accurate QB, with great wr’s.
5. Rodgers- Little biased here haha. Put up great #‘s his first year. Doesn’t make many mistakes, and is pretty mobile.
6. Cutler- Good young QB, with great physical skills.
7. Rivers- Really starting to come into his own. Posted the best QB rating in the league last year.
8. McNabb- Good QB with strong arm and gunslingers mentality.
9. Romo- Good young QB. Regressed a bit last year, and I’m curious to see how he does without T.O.
10. Palmer- I would have him higher but injuries have hampered him the past 2 years. I’m also curious to see how he comes back from elbow surgery this year.
That’s my list. I hope I don’t get screamed at too bad! :)
McNabb has had
one of the worst collection of receivers ever in his NFL career.
Rivers has done more than guys like Cutler and Rodgers. That’s just a fact.
Eli Manning’s ‘playoff/SB’ run in 2007 gives him props over a lot of guys on that list.
True
I could see McNabb being higher on the list. I just put him at 8 because he is aging and still doesn’t have great receivers.
Eli is a good QB, but I don’t know how much of the SB had to do with him. He was ok last year with Burress, and really struggled without him. I don’t think skill wise he is better then any of the 10 I listed above.
1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Warner
5. McNabb
6. Rivers
7. Rodgers
8. Cutler
9. Romo
10. Palmer/Pennington
I forgot about Pennington, his play last year was very impressive.
by packallday555 on Jul 17, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Eli is somewhat of a ? mark
But when you win three playoff games on the road and pull off a major upset in the SB, that speaks pretty loudly to me.
And when people talk about guys like the great Joe Montana, they usually leave out that he threw the ball to maybe the greatest WR of all time and that his HC was one of the greatest offensive minds of all time.
Good point
If I did it from a “leadership” point of view he would be on here, I just don’t think skill wise he compares to any of these QB’s.
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The same could arguably be said about Tom Brady, at least for this generation.
Sometimes there’s a great deal of luck involved in a player’s football fortunes. Can you imagine Tom Brady’s career path had he been drafted by a team without a clue as to developing QBs, like the Bears, rather than the Patriots? I suspect he’d be regarded quite differently today, if he were even still in the league.
by BigGeorgeTX on Jul 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
To your point about which team you go to.
Look at Carson Palmer. I think he is everything Brady and Manning are. Except….
???????? Packallday555
How many of these guys have been voted to the Pro Bowl by their Peers??? Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, Palmer, Pennington. Off hand here are half of your ten that didn’t and two of them you placed above Cutler. You been on that cool-aid?
Agreed
Apparently, an explanation IS needed packallday555.
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Fair enough
While I feel Manning is a great QB, I think Brady is an even better one. I think the 07’ season is really all I need to look at to determine who is better. Brady is without a doubt the most skilled QB in the league. Arm strength, accuaracy, reading defenses, and the blitz. Plus, he has won 3 SB’s. I just think he is the full package. Though maybe I should have put Manning at #1, because who knows how Brady will come back from this injury.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with ya on Brady
I think that he’s fantastic. If he had that season in 2007 (his first with truly skilled WR)…. and he was already great before that.
sorry
i just realized how incredibly bitchy this sounds. didn’t mean it to be that awful. my bad, pack.
although, i do wonder how ben doesn’t make your top 10 at all.
Because
I voted “skill-wise”. He has a strong arm, can scramble, and is a good leader. But that’s it. He is not very accurate. He throws a lot of picks, and holds on too the ball way too long. If I included the leadership aspect of it, then he would be on the list, along with Eli.
by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2009 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
No problem man. It’s just a blog, and we’re just talking about football. Not like it’s life or death or anything right?
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean football's NOT life or death?? Whoah....
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Interesting...
No Chad Pennington to choose from.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
Pennington was a
HUGE reason why the Dolphins went from 1-15 to 11-5.
For all the good that Parcells did in Miami last season, I don’t think they win moer than 6,7,8 games (if they were LUCKY) without Pennington.
He’s a LEADER who know how to run an offense (and not make stupid mistakes). He might be ‘weak-armed’ but you can win a lot of games with a guy like that.
My top 10 goes...
1.Tom Brady
2.Peyton Manning
3.Drew Brees
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Jay Cutler
6.Philip Rivers
7.Ben Roethlisberger
8.Matt Hasselbeck
9.Aaron Rodgers
10.Tony Romo
11.Kurt Warner
12.Eli Manning
13.Carson Palmer
14.Matt Ryan
15.Jake Delhomme
16.Matt Cassel
17.Matt Schaub
18.David Garrard
19.Kyle Orton
20.Trent Edwards
In retrospect I think I may have short changed Warner. But the guy is throwing to some pretty good wideouts. For the life of me I’m trying to figure out how Kyle Orton or Trent Edwards makes this list before Chad Pennington, or Kerry Collins. I mean that’s just ridiculous. Heck I maybe take Joe Flacco over Kyle. I also think Carson Palmer is ranked pretty high on their list based off his past, he really hasn’t been the same since his injury. I think Jay Cutler right now is a better QB than Eli Manning. Either Phillips is too high or Cutler is too low on their list because I don’t think there’s a 4 place difference between the 2 of them.
Nobody watches more tape
than Ron Jaworski. After the 2008 season, he said on ESPN radio that Kurt Warner has played the QB position as well as anyone in 2007/2008.
He addressed the great AZ. WR’s by saying that “Someone still has to get them the ball.”
Earlier that season, a few Cardinal players said that the difference between Kurt Warner & Matt Leinart is that Warner knows ‘better & quicker’ who the open amn is going to be and gets it there.
Also, that same season, Larry Fitzgerald said that “Kurt has done more for me than I have done for him.”
Great receivers are great to have, but I totally agree with Jerry Angelo: A great QB makes all the receivers better!
All True...
And also I have Romo ahead of Warner which is a crime in itself! What was I thinking? Blame it on the rust, training camps on the way and I’m trying to get into football shape:)
Hmm
1. 1.Tom Brady
2. 2.Peyton Manning
3. 3.Tony Romo
4. 4.Drew Brees
5. 5.Jay Cutler
6. 6.Matt Cassel
7. 7.Donovan McNabb
8. 8.Eli Manning
9. 9.Philip Rivers
10. 10.Kurt Warner
11. 11.Aaron Rodgers
12. 12.Ben Roethlisberger
13. 13.Matt Ryan
14. 14.David Garrard
15. 15.Carson Palmer
16. 16.Matt Hasselbeck
17. 17.Kyle Orton
18. 18.Matt Schaub
19. 19.Jake Delhomme
20. 20.Trent Edwards
I didnt base this off what each QB has accomplised, but just based on raw talent
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I don't think
There are 6 spots between Cutler and Rodgers. If it’s off raw talent then I also don’t think Eli should be in the top 10. He doesn’t have a very strong arm, and a lot of his balls are ducks. I also don’t think Cassel should be in there based off of his “raw talent”. He struggles throwing the deep ball. Otherwise would have had Moss would have had much better numbers.
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Why all the love for Big Ben? You're starting to sound like Geo when someone mentions the Mc Mahon.
Last year he completed almost 60% of his passes (not bad, but not flashy) with 17TD’s and 15 INT (Not good or flashy). I grant you the team has a great record with him and the rings certainly mean a lot, but can’t a huge chunk of that be attributed to the defense? Also he has a career 62.4% completion (again not too bad) with 101 Td to 69 INT’s (again good but not great). Not questioning your opinion, just the passion behind it. I mean two comments (one attack) about the same guy? Where did you rank him and why?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Big Ben is underrated
In close and late situations he puts the ball where it needs to be.
He’s top 5.
Brady
Manning
Brees
Ben
Rivers
Palmer
Romo
Hasselbeck
Warner?
I guess thats my top 10. Based on “1 drive, who do you want to have the ball?”.
And I’m sorry about the “attack”… it does read much worse than I intended.
But Ben is underrated by fans and it drives me a little crazy.
Although, I’ve admitted to having a crush on him. So who knows how unbiased I can be.
Fair enough.
But Hasselbeck and Romo in front of Warner with no Eli Manning (who also has a ring)??? Hmmmmm….. Thanks for the clarification though. As an aside, I’m a Hawkeye fan and going into Ben’s 1st Superbowl (his rookie year obviously) the last team to beat him was (were?) my Hawks and I was at the game. You could see then that he’d be a very good NFL QB. Where do you have Cutler by the way? I’ve got him 11th or 12th depending on my mood.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Eli Manning isn't accurate enough
Without a big guy like Plax he isn’t very impressive.
And I don’t really know why I put Romo there. I think he’s overrated.
Oh, and where's Mc Nabb? Tough to rank aren't they?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I think McNabb is overrated too
And I’ve been killing all my friends for wanting us to trade for him from the Eagles.
I guess he could be 11.
I haven’t decided on Cutler or Rodgers yet. I definitely need to see more from Rodgers, 1 year isn’t enough. And I watched a couple Denver games but never close enough to know anything.
Rankings suck. So hard to judge a position in football. It all so much depends on who they’re playing with.
Good list
" 1 drive, who you want to have the ball."
If that’s the aspect your looking at it from. Though I don’t know about Romo. He tends to choke at the end of games. I think McNabb should replace him. A lot of people, not just you think Warner is not a great QB, and I don’t see why. He is probably the most accurate QB, if not, one of them, and has put up HUGE numbers the past two years. Fitz really shinded for the Cardinals in last years postseason, but some of that success has to go to Warner also. Pretty much everytime they connected it was a perfectly thrown ball from Warner.
by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2009 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Ben
plays within the Steeler system. They are built on defense and ball contol, on offense.
He has two SB rings. The first one he was mediocre in. That was in his sophomore season.
Last year he was brilliant on that last, game winning drive.
Well, I rank Jay as a top 5 qb and thanks for ranking Romo in the top ten. That gives me some hope for the season-we believe he’s gone into serious mode. Now, great qbs are a wonderful addition but the philosophy that I was given always dictated that he be paired with the best receiver you can get. No 2 receivers or qbs are the same and that’s why their pay is far apart. Both of my qbs thanked their receivers at their hall of fame induction ceremony because we had paid for the best we could get at the time. Manning and Wayne are a complete package because they make their jobs easier. Had we not had any success at both positions, honestly I don’t know how many titles we would have won but it paid off big time. Michael Irvin was the perfect #1 receiver for Troy because they both were so gifted that they fed off of each other- the odds of that happeninig again are slim to none. Yes, we know people talk about him but we don’t care…he did his job. If Roy Williams doesn’t pan out, he’ll be gone. We want a compliment to Romo, just like we did the first two.
I was fortunate enough to go through the era of having both pieces and I can tell you that it was worth all the money that we spent. There has to be more than a qb and the receiver has to be able to make certain plays to keep drives alive. True #1 receivers are like true franchise qbs, they set themselves apart from everyone else. It’s what they do after the catch that makes them special and it can’t be taught because either they have it or they don’t.
Chicago, I want you to experience what I did so that you can have the same great feelings! Jay is an important piece, so is Matt, now go get that true #1 receiver and let him do the dirty work.
Rank!
1) Manning
2) Brady
3) Brees
4) Manning
5)Cutler
6)McNabb
7)Rivers
8) Ryan
9) Romo
10)Rodgers
I ranked Romo lower because he hasn’t shown his full potential yet and we need to see what he does with Roy Williams. It would be an understatement if I said his seat wasn’t on fire!
Cowboy/Bears championship-that would be something!
Needagoodtime!
Gonna cause some controversy
1. Peyton Manning
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Tom Brady (disqualified, cheated)
4. Kurt Warner
5. Drew Brees
-———————-Obvious Tier Difference——————-
6. Matt Hasselbeck: Did you see what Seattle did without him?
7. Aaron Rodgers – I like this guy more than a lot of people, I think. I’m still rooting for him to fail, but I think he’ll end up being pretty good.
8. Eli Manning
9. Philip Rivers
10. Donovan McNabb
11. Jay Cutler
12. Carson Palmer
-————————-Tier Difference———————-
13. Tony Romo
14. Matt Ryan (I really think this was a fluke. Where was this at BC? [/terp homer])
-————————-Tier Difference———————-
15. Jake Delhomme – What is this, 2003?
16. Matt Schaub
17. Kyle Orton
18. David Garrard – I think he’ll rebound from last year’s disaster, but won’t put up 2007 numbers either.
-————————Tier Difference———————-
19. Trent Edwards – How did he even get on this list over someone like Chad Pennington or Matt Stafford or Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson or Joe Flacco is beyond me.
-———————-Tier Difference———————-
20. Matt “System QB” Cassel – My thoughts on this guy have been made clear on this website many times already.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is John Paxson fired yet?
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
Is Dan O' Dowd fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Followup
Is Tony Romo the most overrated player in the NFL? We’re about to find out that the answer is yes.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is John Paxson fired yet?
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
Is Dan O' Dowd fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
i agree with everyone in your top tier
except Big Ben. During the season last year, he was MISERABLE. I guess he turned it on for the playoffs, but man, did he suck during the season. IF they had played stronger teams, all those turnovers could’ve bit them in the ass.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
Good list
I think Eli should be last in his tier but we all have our own opiniions!
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
When
The Patriots taped the Jets, and supposedly many other teams defensive signals. At least that’s what I assume ES46NE10 is referring too.
by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2009 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Well..
1. Tom Brady – One of the best there is. Would be unfair to give him a 1 up on manning as he has more(slant route..cough) weapons to throw to in NE. So it’s a tie for me. Plus that whole thing with the videotaping opposing defenses…almost forgot that.
1. Peyton Manning – If I ever saw the reincarnation of one of the past great QBs, it would be this guy or Brady. They both have their heads in the right place(not up their arses), and while brady’s numbers may be slightly better, it’s a tie for me because Manning has a freaking awesome sense of humor.
3. Drew Brees – Definitely has come into his own this past season. Deserves a top 3 spot over Warner for the sole respect that he isn’t throwing to Larry Fitzgerald..who could probably catch a football with his feet if he felt like it.
4. Kurt Warner – At his age, he has an arm like Cutlers, and he managed one helluva team for as weak as its running game was last season. Definite top 5.
5. Philip Rivers – Another truly coming into his own, even with LT having a mediocre year.
6. Jay Cutler – The bears fan in me wants to put him at 3-4..but I need to see how he performs without Marshall/Royal gunning downfield. Otherwise I think he’s an awesome QB(speaking objectively of course! :) )
7. Tony Romo – This guy has the arm and the brain to get the job done in Dallas. My only quip is how will he do this season without TO? And even this ranking might be overrating him a bit..but I think he’s pretty solid and has the potential.
8. Aaron Rodgers – The only reason the Packers didn’t go sub 3 wins last season. Very good Manager/passer
9. Matt Ryan – For a rookie to step up like he did last season, he deserves top 10 honors. He may eventually become a top 3 if he keeps the good work up.
10. Donovan McNabb – Top 5 QB if he wasn’t injured so often.
11. Eli Manning – Lets face it, Burress made this guy, when he vanished, so did Manning’s numbers..Though he is still decent, he doesn’t make plays well without a bamf WR. One example of how a person can say the WR makes the QB. Though in the end I think that argument can go either way.
12. Ben Roethisberger – Game manager, tough guy who can handle injuries, but he’s not the best playmaker out there…The Steeler’s D is what wins majority of their games, but he does step up and make the play when necessary.
13. Matt Cassel – This guy is a maybe, I think he’s just a product of NE’s offense and all the people he had to throw to. I’m still shocked he got a contract before playing out half of the season at least to see how he does..or even getting through training camp first.
14. Matt Hasselbeck – Another top 5-10ish QB if it weren’t for the injuries slowing him down.
15. Kyle Orton – Good game manager, but really doesn’t have the arm to be a contender, unless its a 2 minute slant pass drill.
16. Carson Palmer – Injury problems..don’t really know much about him though. I would give Pennington the nod for this spot if he were on the list, just for turning the dolphins around almost single handedly.
17. David Garrard – Ugh..Taylor/JD got them to the playoffs 2 years ago along with a decent D..this guy is mediocre at best. Though a rebound this season would not completely surprise me.
18. Matt Schaub – Yeah……..no. Collins would go here.
19. Trent Edwards – Another mediocre QB surrounded by medoicrity(and one drama queen..ohh got a TO joke in there)
20. Jake Delhomme – As was said above…what is this, 2003? This guy blows up like a peep in the microwave after about a minute when he’s put under any pressure.
Honorable mentions: Chad Pennington and Kerry Collins anyone?
Evident Big Three.
Manning, Brady, Brees. The next 7 is pretty much the same on alot of boards. Just different order. Romo, McNabb, Palmer, Cutler, Big Ben, Phillips, and maybe “Lil Bro”(Ely). To Pretender85, On what planet is Kyle Orton better than Palmer or the other 4 you have listed behind him for that matter.
My top 20
1.Peyton Manning
2.Drew Brees
3.Tom Brady
4.Kurt Warner
5.Ben Roethlisberger
6.Donovan McNabb
7.Philip Rivers
8.Eli Manning
9.Jay Cutler
10.Jake Delhomme
11.Tony Romo
12.Matt Hasselbeck
13.Aaron Rodgers
14.Carson Palmer
15.Matt Ryan
16.Matt Cassel
17.Matt Schaub
18.Trent Edwards
19.David Garrard
20.Kyle Orton
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
1.Tom Brady
2.Peyton Manning
3.Kurt Warner
4.Eli Manning
5.Carson Palmer
6.Drew Brees
7.Philip Rivers
8.Donovan McNabb
9.Ben Roethlisberger
10.Tony Romo
11.Jay Cutler
12.Aaron Rodgers
13.Matt Hasselbeck
14.Matt Ryan
15.Jake Delhomme
16.Matt Cassel
17.David Garrard
18.Kyle Orton
19.Matt Schaub
20.Trent Edwards
by Sam Householder on Jul 18, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Ross Tucker Is A Hater
Why are you so down on Jay Cutler? I listen to you all the time on Sirius and every chance you get, you are bashing the kid. The situation that unfolded in Denver would have had a lot of players wanting out. I think you are going to eat your words once Cutler is slinging touchdowns and Chicago is putting up wins.
— Nick Patel, Sylva, N.C.
I think as a rank-and-file player in the NFL for seven years I lose respect for players that behave in a manner that suggests they are above the team. I can understand Cutler might have been hurt by the Broncos’ interest in Cassel and wanted out. But his subsequent behavior, including not returning repeated phone calls and text messages from owner Pat Bowlen, was immature at best.
I also think he is overrated as a quarterback. Many people are enamored with his physical skills and statistics but the numbers that stand out to me are his 17-20 record and his 18 interceptions last season. If he leads the Bears to the NFC North title, I will be happy to say I was wrong but for now that is my story and I am sticking to it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ross_tucker/07/17/mail/index.html?eref=sihp
Ross Tucker made a couple of good points, but...
Cutlers’ 17-20 record was more a product of a poor defense and a marginal running game. I think he had the 18 picks because he threw the ball something like 600 times last year. He also had 25 TDs, 4500 passing yards and completed over 60 percent of his passes. Those are Pro Bowl numbers.
We’ll see what happens this year, in Ron Turner’s system.
ROSS T.
Every player in any team sport expects to be traded at any time, especially when their is a changeover in the coaching. You only have Pat Bowlen’s account as to the repeated phone calls and supposed texts. Mr Bowlen has been caught in to many lies, ie;Elway, and not knowing anything about Mr. McDumbass, reading his interviews and excuses, I put him in the same catagory. You say that you have spent 7 years in the NFL. My question to you is this—-If the owner’s, gm’s and coaches of those teams that you played for flat a**sed lied to you, expected you to swallow it, and you did, then you are a gullible fool for accepting those lies and you deserve no respect because you remained working for those liars. If you would ask Jay’s Dad instead of being a magpie and echoing those sorry excuses of sports writers in Denver, you might learn something. If your critic of Jay’s 17/20 record last year is any indication of your football knowledge, then I feel sorry for your employers for giving you your annual handout because you sure havn’t earned it honestly.
I ranked Jay #3 after Peyton and Drew.......
I know most of you will think that’s a bit high—but I just know what I saw when he had a ‘real’ RB start the game and finish in that same game. Jay is really good if he has a running game to absorb some of the preasure. Our last three games last year—we had zero running game—everyone knew Jay was our only hope. So did all the teams we played—and Brandon was gimping with a bad hip.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
#3
Is a stretch. I think for sure Brady, Brees, Manning, Warner are better then him, but after all them I think you could make an argument for many QB’s to be #5.
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
pack...
you are probably right…I tend to make emotional picks.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Haha ya
We all do it. When doing my list I wanted to put Rodgers way up there too.
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No Way
I have the highest hope that Cutler will be the best QB in a Bear uniform since McMahon.
But there’s no way you can rank him above QB’s that have won SB’s (like Warner & Big Ben) or QB’s that have won playoff games (like Eli, Brees, McNabb and Rivers).
I know it’s a team game and the Broncos defense sucked, but you really can’t rate him higher than those other QB’s. Not now.
Hopefully, in a few years, he’ll be top three.
The Bears QB HOF
Luckman, Jimmy Mac, and hopefully Jay Cutler. Two more and we’d have enough for a basketball team.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You got it Ditka
Hopefully, Cutler lasts a decade + in the Windy City and brings the Bears at least ONE SB victory.
I’d like to be greedy but I’d settle for even one.
Those three (Sid, Jim & Jay) would make a nice front court in the All-Century Bears QB Basketball team!
I'd settle for one SB as well
Right now. But I really don’t like the 20+ years between titles, that and 2006 turned out to just be a giant tease. I do appreciate your love of the Jimmy Mac, I thought he was underatted as well. I know some fans say we are just stuck in the 80’s but how could you not be with that team. Oh did you see Wilbur Marshall is being inducted into the College HOF?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
As much as I love Mike Singletary
who should be our HC, BTW, Marshall was my favorite LB and my favorite player on defense along with Hampton.
Great, great player.
Got an autographed photo of Danimal here in my computer room.
I would’ve loved Singletary to be our coach. I had a chance to meet him in highschool but unfortunately was unable to attedn the event. I was pretty bummed about it for a long time.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
That's cool
That’s why I like John Madden. He’s very respectful of the Bears.
According to Madden:
Greatest defense? ’85 Bears (He always mentions how he and Summerall did like six or seven Bear games that year and NEVER saw the defense give up a TD).
Greatest all ’round RB? The incomparable Walter Payton.
If an alien came down to Earth and said “Show me a football player” Madden says he’d show him Dan Hampton.
He might’ve even said that the ‘85 Bears were the greatest team ever (cause they were), I just don’t know for sure.
I like Madden
When he’s not talking about Brett Farve, which isn’t very often. If I had to guess Madden was always a fan of the Bears because they play old school type football. A team the runs the ball and plays great defense. If you look at the 85 squad that’s exactly what they did. Smash mouth football is what I love and I think if we get back to our roots as an organization we will be successful once again.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 19, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not trying to pick a fight with Geo. Let me repeat that. I'm NOT trying to pick a fight with Geo.
But I don’t see anyway that the McMahon makes the Hall. Not enough career numbers. Not enough of a career period. Unless you mean the Bears own private Hall of Fame or Ring of Honor, or some other such thing. Then I’m all for it.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Dave
I’m confused. I never said anything about Mac in the HOF. As much as I love the guy that’s never going to happen.
Where are you getting me saying that McMahon should be in the HOF?
I was replying to Ditkavsworld post "The Bears QB HOF".
I just know that the McMahon is your guy and occasionally you can get a little sensitive concerning him. It was mostly sarcasm based on some of our past bantering and not an attack at you but rather questioning Ditkavs.world’s post title. That’s all.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I was saying Bears HOF
as just an organizational thing, not the NFL HOF. Or this guy for that matter.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jul 20, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agreed
Of course, since he (correctly) TRASHED Mike McCaskey in his book, either one of us has a better chance of getting in there than Mac.
The top 5
#1) Manning
#1a) Brady
- Brees
#4)Warner
#5)Big Ben
Then for the #6 spot you could make a case for about six other QB’s (Cutler included).
BUT If the question were: If you could start an NFL franchise today and you could pick any QB you wanted, Who would that be? My answer would be Jay “Sizzle” Cutler.
Cutler has the best combination of brains, physical ability and youth of any QB in the league, imo.
NO WAY!!!!! REALLY????
Well I guess that’s my thing to learn today….LOL
I'm sorry but i'm not patient enough to do a whole list, but I just want to know
why the hell Jake Gohome is even on this list. Everytime i see this guy I think Big Chocolate Starfish!!!
Brady and Cassel are overrated
Tom Brady is a very solid quarterback, but he is a “product of the system” as we saw Matt Cassel (a virtual unknown, turned multi-millionaire) step in last year, and the Patriots didn’t skip a single beat. What are the odds of that? I may be biased, but I really think Kyle Orton will surprise a few people and have a break-out year in 2009…
1.Peyton Manning
2.Curt Warner
3.Drew Brees
4.Philip Rivers
5.Carson Palmer
6.Jay Cutler
7.Aaron Rodgers
8.Donovan McNabb
9.Ben Roethlisberger
10.Tony Romo
11.Matt Ryan
12.Jake Delhomme
13.Kyle Orton
14.Tom Brady
15.Matt Cassel
16.Matt Hasellbeck
17.Eli Manning
18.Matt Schaub
19.David Garrard
20.Trent Edwards
Didn't skip a single beat?
They won 5 fewer games.
Brady’s no more a “system product” than Peyton, Romo, or Brees.
System QB or not I'm with you.
The guy has more rings than ANY BEAR EVER. (To the purists, there may be a Bear player who earned more while playing with other teams, but I don’t think there is). Tom Brady has put up AMAZING numbers over a relatively “short” career (my God just look at his single season stats from 2007). System QB?? What are you smoking and where can I get some?? BTW Allie (Shall we add Big Ben to your short list ;) )
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Go for it.
I just find the whole “Oh, he’s just a product of a system!” complete bull.
OF COURSE they play in a system. If you’re any good and have coaches who have more common sense than God gave a duck, you’re going to produce in that system. It just doesn’t make sense to me at all.
Also, Stephen L Jackson has me rollin’ in the ESPYs. He’s hysterical. Totally worth the hour so far. :-)
It does have it's applications
Bill Walsh himself said that his system was the star.
There are only two cases of back-to-back QB’s being elected the HOF. Montana & Young are one example.
Both great QB’s, but that’s a classic case of being a ‘System QB.’
Ray Lewis is the product of a defensive system
So are most great players. They excelled in systems where they were put in position to make plays. Great players take a system to another level, but to say that because they were in the right system their production is solely b/c of the system…
Well, frankly, it doesn’t make sense.
If you compare Montana/Young to guys like Elway/Favre
It becomes a little more clear.
Nobody is saying, as in the WCO, that their production is solely because of the system.
It took discipline, intelligence and accuracy for Montana and Young to execute Walsh’s system.
Guys like Elway and Favre did more, on their own, IMO, to make the plays needed to win.
To me, the best way to put would be this:
Some guys (like the Walsh guys) flawlessly executed a written script.
In fact, as we all know, Walsh scripted his first fifteen plays.
Other guys (like Elway & Favre) had a script as a guideline but ‘improvised’ more, which accounted for much of their greatness.
Allie
That’s a good point about playing in systems. I never really looked at it that way.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I have my moments. :-P
Mostly, I just wanted to use the “more common sense than God gave a duck” line which I heard a few days ago and have been dying to use again.
Haha what!?
How could you ever rank Brady 14th! At the lowest he is #2, and I still think that’s too low. The guy is arguably one of the best leaders EVER, and is the most skilled QB in the league right now, and probably one of the most skilled ever. A “system” can only get you so far. You don’t throw for 50 tds just because your in a system.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Question
I’m noticing that some of you are ranking Brady ahead of Manning. Yet, many here seem to agree Manning is the better “field general” than Brady. If that’s the case, how is Brady better than Manning? He isn’t more “clutch” than Manning (Peyton has more fourth quarter comebacks) and statistically he is dwarfed by Manning. In addition, most of Brady’s big playoff wins came mostly because of Adam Vinatieri. When Brady needed TDs to win big games (2006 AFC Championship, Super Bowl against the Giants) he has failed. Manning, when he has needed TDs to win big games, has come through.
Also, Brady is coming off two major knee surgeries.
So, logically, how is Brady better? Of, and one more thing, if you say “because he has three rings” then I can assume you think Terry Bradshaw (four rings) is better than both of them.
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Manning › Brady (IMO)
Rings or no rings.
- Smudgers
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by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Brady is a damn good QB
but I put Manning 1st
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 20, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Brady is one of the best of his generation. But, I’m often fascinated by people who rank Brady as “better” than Peyton. Prior to 2006, the argument was Brady had won something while Peyton hadn’t. Now, post 2006, the goal posts have shifted to Brady having won “more” than Peyton. This argument is, of course, horse crap. Terry Bradshaw has “won more” than both of them. I guess that makes him better. Trent Dilfer has “only” one ring. I guess that means he is just as good as Peyton.
It seems that when you apply logic to the debate, the “Brady is better” answer doesn’t make a whole lot of friggin sense. Of course, I’m biased. But even if I wasn’t, when you look at the career both men have had, Manning destroys Brady. I know people love to throw playoff wins in with career numbers, but winning playoff games (and games in general) is a team achievement. Quarterbacks are not pitchers, or tennis players, or golfers.
I wish folks would remember that the QB is one position on a 53 man roster.
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It's the Playoffs!!!!
Manning came out of Tennessse with the reputation that he couldn’t win the big one.
The Colts losing their first three playoff games with him under center didn’t help in that regard.
Pressed into service when Bledsoe went out in game two, Brady had a great season and great post season.
Near the end of the SB, the score was tied, the Patriots had the ball and John Madden suggested that they run out the clock and play for overtime.
Instead Brady marched them down the field for the gamewinning FG.
Thus began the legend of Tom Brady: 2001 and the SB.
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Kurt Warner
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Donovan McNabb
7. Jay Cutler
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Carson Palmer
10. Philip Rivers
11. Matt Hasselbeck
12. Matt Ryan
13. Eli Manning
14. Jake Delhomme Chad Pennington
15. Tony Romo Jake Delhomme
16. Matt Cassel Tony Romo
17. Kyle Orton Matt Cassel Kerry Collins
18. David Garrard Kyle Orton Matt Cassel
19. Matt Schaub David Garrard Kyle Orton
20. Trent Edwards Matt Schaub David Garrard Joe Flacco
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
My top 5
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Kurt Warner
5. Ben Roethlisberger
Jay Cutler would fall somwhere close to 10.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
BLou, no love for Brees?
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Brees
Very much better than Rivers and Warner. Warner should be no where near your top ten. Manning, Brady, Ben, Roethlisberger, and McNabb for me. Eli, Brees, Rivers, Palmer, and Ryan round out top 10.
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Nobody knows more about QB's
and watches more tape than Ron Jaworski.
After last season he said that Kurt Warner has played the QB position, in 2007/2008, as well as anybody in the league.
Any QB that takes the Cardinals to the SB, let alone come withing a few minutes of winning it , automatically belongs in the top five.
You have Eli as a better QB than Drew Brees?
Drew, last year, became only the second player in NFL history to throw for over 5,000 yards and had the chance to break Dan Marino’s all-time record for passing yards in a single season. He also passed for over 300 yards a whopping 10 times, tying Rich Gannon’s record.
Let’s compare 2008 stats:
Drew Brees : 5,069 yards | 34 TD’s | 17 INT’s | 96.2% QB Rating
Eli Manning : 3,238 yards | 21 TD’s | 10 INT’s | 86.4% QB Rating
No way is Manning #2 better than Brees. No freakin’ way.
Let alone Rivers, Cutler, Rodgers, Palmer and Warner – yes Kurt Warner. No freakin’ way! Maybe you could argue that he is better than some of those guys, but Drew Brees – really?
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I Think that
Brady, Manning, Warner, Brees and Big Ben are the top five.
Not that it’s very difficult, but I did that before looking at your list, smudgers.
So I agree with you, FWIW.
Ben would be #5 on that list, and the othger four would be ‘somewhat’ interchangable IMO.
Right behind Roethlisberger would be guys like Rivers and McNabb. All that Cutler is missing is the playoffs.
Thanks.
I understand that these list are subjective and meant to be fun. But putting Eli in the top 5 of active QB’s (which he does considering he has Roethlisberger listed twice) is just ric-diculous! He is not a top five QB, or a top six for that matter.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Eli had a great playoff run
in 2007 and he started the unbelieveable play to win the game.
And yeah, Burress was great for him but nobody ever discounts Montana because of Rice.
But Eli has to do ‘it’ a few more times to move up the charts.
He wasn’t Trent Dilfer winning the SB, but he isn’t his brother yet either.
Time will tell which one he ends up being closer to when his career is over.
Absolutely.
I’m with you. I am not discrediting what Eli has done already or what he may do in the future. I think he’s a very good QB and if I rooted for the Giants, I would be happy having him lead my offense. I just can’t put him in my top 5 – hell I don’t even have him in my top ten.
It pained my to put Rivers in my top 10 and he probably deserves to be higher, but I just don’t personally like the guy!
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think...
Eli’s career from here will follow the precedent set more by Ryan Leaf than Peyton or Archie. Thus, expect him to soon become a drug addict, rob a teammate and get arrested crossing the border into Canada. Being the Giants, they will then trade for Drew Stanton. feedback.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene.
by HireMattMillen on Jul 20, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you are just trying to get a rise out of BBS. Am I right?
And only Al Davis no one is stupid enough to trade for Drew Stanton.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
nah man, drew stantons like a 47 in madden ‘10. how awesome is that? wait, 50’s the highest right? RIGHT?
In past maddens if you looked at the depth chart the kicker and punter would be below your qb’s by default and be rated like 45 overall…. I just see John Madden saying, “Well, hes half the man Brett Favre is, so reflect that in the rating.”
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene.
by HireMattMillen on Jul 20, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Drew Brees a ton!
But Brees has a lot more weapons at his disposal. He also plays nine games in a dome. Eli throws the ball in a very un-QB friendly stadium (Giants Stadium). And his division is a helluva lot tougher than the AFC South.
And the day Drew Brees pulls out the kind of fourth quarter QB play Eli did in Super Bowl 42, call me. That final TD is NFL quarterbacking defined. Until Brees shows he can do something close to that: Eli > Drew.
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Manning is a good QB, that's it.
You say that Eli had less weapons – he had Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress (two well established receivers) for the majority of his career. On the other hand Brees MADE Marques Colston and Lance Moore who they are. On top of that, who did Brees have in San Diego? And did he play in a dome there?
Furthermore, concerning this dome issue. You say one of the reasons E. Manning › Brees is because he plays 9 games in a dome. Yet you state all the reasons why P. Manning › Brady and don’t discredit Peyton for playing in a dome, weird how you cherry pick your arguments? Dome or not, Brees is a much more consistent and accurate QB than Eli.
One play, albeit great (golf clap for Eli), does not automatically elevate him above one of the most consistent and accurate QB’s in the game today.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No where near Warner?
Why do people continually dog Warner?? I just don’t get it. The guy is easily a top 5 QB, and probably top 1-3 in the last two years.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Kurt Warner remains an exceptional quarterback
He is hands-down a top 5 QB in my estimation. Not only is Warner adept at running a complicated high octane offense, but he consistently wins the big games.
The most underrated QB in football is Philip Rivers. But ask any NFL front office and they will tell you that Rivers is wickedly good. And like Warner, he is a true leader.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Warner
The guy played like garbage five years. He gets Boldin and Fitzgerald and magically he’s good again? Pulease.
The dude was benched in St. Louis, New York, and in Arizona (twice). That’s not a top 5 QB. And please, let’s be accurate about saying “he consistently wins the big games.” The Super Bowl loss to the Patriots was one of the biggest choke jobs in SB history. The Rams should have destroyed that Patriots team, and Warner played like crap.
The Cardinals last year were a 9-7 teams in the AFC West, folks. If you really think Warner is a top 5 QB, you need your friggin head examined. Hell, I’ll take Chad Pennington in the Top 5 over friggin Warner.
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You're right
So when Ron Jaworski (who actually played the position and who practically lives at NFL Films) says that Warner has played as well as any QB in the league in the past two season, he’s just full of S++T.
Right?
Too funny.
Beyond that, there are so many mistakes in your post that it would take forever clear them all up.
I won't argue with an idiot
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
I wish I could do the same.
I think I may just follow your logic on this one and stop replying from here on out.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jul 20, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don't.
Even idiots need to be reminded that while stupidity breeds, a vasectomy lasts forever. Even if they don’t get it….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Brady
If he comes back healthy, and is the same QB, there is no way he isn’t #1. He led the Pats to 3 rings, and the talent around him on offense wasn’t that great. He showed what he could do when he has great talent around him, and that’s put up unbelievable numbers. 50 TDs to 8 INTs, and 4,800+ passing yards. Manning has had the talent, with Harrison, Wayne, Faulk, Addai, Clark, Stokely. Brady is now getting that same talent, and is proving he is the best.
“In addition, most of Brady’s big playoff wins came mostly because of Adam Vinatieri”
So did Brady not lead them team into field goal position? Did Vinatieri just kick a 70- yard field goal? I don’t think so, Vinatieri wouldn’t have even had the chances to kick the game winners had Brady not led them on the drives he did.
You mention some of Brady’s mishaps, but if I’m not mistaken I believe Manning threw a game ending pick against the Chargers in the 07’ playoffs. Every QB has situations where they make mistakes no matter how good they are, and the fact that Brady only has 2 big mishaps is pretty impressive.
Nobody reads the field better then Tom Brady. He attempted 578 passes in 07’, and only 8 of those passes were INTs. He is the best leader of the QB’s in the league right now (3 SB rings), and I think is the most skilled as well.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Um, no
He led the Pats to 3 rings, and the talent around him on offense wasn’t that great
Actually, their defense led them to those Super bowl wins. The one time the Pats offense was better than their defense, they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants. Also, the Pats cheated while winning those three rings.
So did Brady not lead them team into field goal position? Did Vinatieri just kick a 70- yard field goal? I don’t think so, Vinatieri wouldn’t have even had the chances to kick the game winners had Brady not led them on the drives he did.
It is much easier to win a game getting into FG position than it is going for the TD. That’s all I’m saying. And since Vinatieri left, Brady hasn’t won anything, while Manning has. Heck, Manning beat Brady and leading his team to the game winning TD in the AFC Championship Game in 2006. Manning could have tied the game with a FG, and played it Brady-style. He went for the TD. Result speaks for itself.
You mention some of Brady’s mishaps, but if I’m not mistaken I believe Manning threw a game ending pick against the Chargers in the 07’ playoffs.
I’m sorry, you are equating a desperation toss in the final seconds of a playoff game (where Manning threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs) to Tom Brady playing horribly for four quarters against the Giants? Um, you’re retarded.
Nobody reads the field better then Tom Brady.
Manning does. He’s got the stats to prove it.
He is the best leader of the QB’s in the league right now (3 SB rings), and I think is the most skilled as well.
So, by this logic, Terry Bradshaw (4 rings) is better than both Manning and Brady, right? You have to say yes, because logically your argument doesn’t work unless you do. And if you do say yes, then that means you are an idiot, and it is THAT much easier to dismiss your Brady love letter.
I suggest adjusting your rational.
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Haha wow
“Actually, their defense led them to those Super bowl wins. The one time the Pats offense was better than their defense, they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants. Also, the Pats cheated while winning those three rings.”
Really? I would have to completely disagree. They might have gotten to the SB in 2002 because of their defense, but Brady led them on a drive to win the game, which was why he was the MVP of the game. In 2004, their defense certainly didn’t win them the game. They gave up 29 points. Brady, mean while, threw for 354 yards and 3 TDs, and AGAIN led them on a game winning drive, and for the second time was named MVP. In 2005, Brady again posted good numbers, throwing for 236 and 2 TDS. I would say the defense got them this win, but he still led the offense to 24 points.
“It is much easier to win a game getting into FG position than it is going for the TD. That’s all I’m saying. And since Vinatieri left, Brady hasn’t won anything, while Manning has. Heck, Manning beat Brady and leading his team to the game winning TD in the AFC Championship Game in 2006. Manning could have tied the game with a FG, and played it Brady-style. He went for the TD. Result speaks for itself.”
In Brady’s case all his team needed to win the SB’s in 02, and 04’ was a field goal. Why wouldn’t you just simply kick the field goal if it’s all you needed? Haha yes he beat Brady in 06’ but Brady beat him in 07’ I’m not sure what your point is….
“I’m sorry, you are equating a desperation toss in the final seconds of a playoff game (where Manning threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs) to Tom Brady playing horribly for four quarters against the Giants? Um, you’re retarded.”
Haha I just went and looked at the box score and Manning actually had 2 chances in the 4th to put you guys ahead. One which, he got down to the SD 9 yard line, and couldn’t capatilize. The next a 4 and out.. I must have been thinking about another game, with the pick because he didn’t even throw one in the 4th quarter of the game.
“Manning does. He’s got the stats to prove it.”
Not in recent years. In 07’, Brady was better then Manning was in 07’, and 08’.
“So, by this logic, Terry Bradshaw (4 rings) is better than both Manning and Brady, right? You have to say yes, because logically your argument doesn’t work unless you do. And if you do say yes, then that means you are an idiot, and it is THAT much easier to dismiss your Brady love letter.”
No, because that was only ONE of my reasons I feel Brady is better, the other was because I think he is the most skilled QB in the league. If I thought that was what made Brady the best QB ever, then yes Bradshaw would technically be better then both, but again that was not my only reason.
“…your Brady love letter.”
Haha the thing is I actually despise Brady, and the Patriots. I like Manning a ton more then I like Brady, it’s just clear that Brady is the better and more skilled QB. it’s obvious you are the one who is in “love” here, based off of how angry and defensive you got over Manning.
Hell, I just watched Cris Carter name his top 5 QB’s today on ESPN, and you would never guess who he put as #1. A while back, I also watched Ron Jaworski say Brady was the best QB in the league. But hell, neither of them would know anything about that would they?
by packallday555 on Jul 21, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Fools ...
Top 5
1.Drew Brees
2.Tom Brady
3.Peyton Manning
4.Ben Roethlisberger
5.Philip Rivers
8. Jay Cutler
Brees gets the No. 1 ranking because I think this is his time. He’s accurate, he’s mobile, he takes chances and makes plays … Brady and Manning are both excellent, I just think this year, Brees is going to be better.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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