Carry My Bags Rookie (Poll)
With rookies reporting to camp starting TOMORROW!!!!( thank you god) I wanted to gauge where the expectation levels of the fans are for the incoming rookie class for the Bears.
Now granted the Bears did not have a first or a second round pick in the draft this year, so the chances of one of these guys coming in and making a BIG impact is a long shot, but the other side of me says the Bears are notorious for turning late round picks into big time talent, especially on defense. For example, Mark Anderson 5th Round pick - 12 sacks rookie year, Lance Briggs 3rd Round pick - Pro Bowler, Alex Brown 4th Round Pick - Solid and Durable, Nathan Vasher 4th Round Pick - 17 picks in first 4 years, Olin Kruetz 3rd Round Pick - 6 time Pro Bowler, even as much as I hate to say this now, Bernard Berrian 3rd Round Pick - and a traitor.
Now one thing to note is the lack of late round surprises coming from offensive skill positions. Which is why Im not holding my breath when it comes to Iglesias (two words - Mark Bradley). But then again with our new Pro Bowl Quarterback getting these young guys the ball, anything is liable to happen. Look at how Marques Colston broke onto the scene with the Saints, and he was a SEVENTH Round pick.
Jarron Gilbert is an explosive athlete with freakishly long arms who will benefit tremendously on the defensive line under the tutelage of D Line Guru Rod Marinelli. Juaquin Iglesias was the first Wide Reciever taken in the draft by the Bears, which most felt was their most glaring need. But a less than stellar OTA performance by Iglesias has thrusted Johnny Knox into the spotlight of the media and fans alike. This 5th round pick unlike Iglesias dazzled during OTA's showing off his 4.3 speed and actually showing steady hands throughout dropping few passes. Some have speculated that he could contend with Rashied "everyone hates me" Davis for the Slot during Training Camp, but if Earl Bennett taught us anything its that there is alot more to recieving than just running and catching. So lets keep our fingers crossed and hope he becomes the next Wes Welker.
Some dark horses to keep in mind that could contribute on special teams or on the starting squad if injuries were to occur are guys like Marcus Freeman, a 5th round pick out of THE Ohio State University who going into his last year in college was projected to be a late 1st round early 2nd round pick by some pundits, but could easily be overlooked because of some of the bigger names from those mean OSU linebackers the last couple of years . I could see Freeman being an absolute BEAST for the Bears on special teams and at some point, maybe not this year, being a solid outside linebacker for years to come. DJ Moore is another interesting pick, Kiper gushed over this pick by the Bears, believing that Moore couldve gone alot earlier than the 4th round that he was taken in. But alot like Nathan Vasher some experts believe he is undersized to play corner. A guy with good ball skills and has a knack for coming up with the big pick, this guy could contribute and at some point give Daniel Manning some help at the Nickel back.
Some even darker horses are guys like Al Afalava a 6th round pick who likely wont be one our starting safeties, but crazier things have happened, and considering the percieved lack of talent the Bears have at safety, I wouldn't rule any of them out as a potenital starter. Will Ta'ufo'ou is an intriging pick for me. A fullback out of Cal who leaves it all on the field, all you have to do is go onto you tube type in his name and youll know why I listed this undrafted rookie as a potential contributer coming into this season.
Derek Kinder, Lance Louis, and Henry Melton more than likely arent going to make the field barring a jaw dropping effort during Training Camp or a slew of injuries that could force them into the lineup. There is just too much depth ahead of them and its a stretch to see any of them get significant playing time this season. I'll give Derek Kinder the best chance of these three but like I said its slim to none.
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Gotta go with Knox...
mostly because the odds are best in his favor. Davis lives down to his moniker, dropapotamus, and Knox steps in. Or Bennett fails to show up again, Knox steps in. Iglesias continues not to work at developing as a pro, Knox steps in.
I almost voted for DJ Moore, but he would have to wait behind Graham, Bowman, and Manning to back up the starters, so it would take a whole series of events to make it happen.
My curiosity is why Gilbert is slated to get work at tackle? He has all the physical numbers to be a beast off the edge at DE. I see him lost in the middle of the line, under weight and “overtall”.
by LostInSTL on Jul 23, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
couldn’t say it better myself the odds are totally in Knox favor
by bears rock on Jul 23, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts as well
I want to see Gilbert, Knox, and Moore all contribute a lot this year but Knox has the easiest path to being a contributor.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jul 24, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert
It looks like the Bears are determined to make him a DT despite the fact that Gilbert is a natural DE and the Bears need a playmaker at DE.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 24, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore
I voted for Moore. I have heard a lot of good things right after he was drafted and during OTAs. If Graham moves to safety (which I think he should and split time with Steltz who has been rumored to be slow), Moore may be able to crack into the Nickle packages and get some regular playing time.
by brands735 on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore has a very good shot at starting at CB
Vasher is not what he once was, Graham is likely to be at safety (that Steltz is slow is not a rumor), so Moore has a great chance to slide into a starting spot.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 25, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that
Graham is at Safety and Manning is Nickel/ST.
Bowman will probably play, but Vasher/Tillman will likely both be injured at some point this season. Moore has a very good chance to start, and I’ve seen the kid play, and he’s amazing. If he does play and is prepared he’ll knock some socks off.
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 25, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manning at Nickle
I think Moore can beat out Manning at Nickle. Manning is good in some special packages and is developing into a great return man, but I think Moore can beat him out on the depth charts. Same with Bowman
by brands735 on Jul 26, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropapotamus - thats halarious
But as far as Gilbert is concerned, He did play some DE in college but maybe the depth we have this year at DE is why they put him as a DT. And I kinda like the idea of someone that tall and long flushing the quarterback out of the pocket to get a better look and possibly making more mistakes. Haynesworth is kind of a good example of that , now I know hes bigger than Gilbert but Jarron could have that same effect on quarterbacks as far as vision. Hopefully Tommies taking all the attention away so he can flourish.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 23, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No love for freeman
Special Teams MONSTER youll see
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh...
have you ever watched Iglesias play, he is a totally different style of player than Mark Bradley. Iglesias is a reliable third down receiver, not really explosive but a guy who runs good routes and has reliable hands, think of him as a TJ Houshmanzadeh or a Steve Smith (NYG). Whereas, Bradley is an explosive deep threat receiver, a big play guy.
Just because they both went to Oklahoma doesn’t mean they are anything alike. Is Jason White the same quality and type of QB as Sam Bradford? No.
But I picked Knox.
by chase17 on Jul 24, 2009 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TALKIN SHIT BOUT BRADLEY, BITCH?!?!?
bow down before the true Neckbeard

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 24, 2009 6:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I will always bow down to a solid neck beard
God Speed Kyle Orton keep fightin the good fight
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Bradley is a bitch
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this a yahoo board
or youtube comment section? C’mon man… we’re better than that.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jul 24, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey. Ifuwanna called the guy who made this post a bitch
why don’t u call him out?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he knows it's a running gag
“Mark Bradley is a bitch” doesn’t really get me heated up. sorry, dude, not witty enough.
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a running gag that you
bust the balls of every newbie to WCG with their first fanpost. Right?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(no comment) :)
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 25, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it because of his comment.
I wanted to see if he would come after me for saying it.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we can have
racial slurs and porno links?
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 25, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone organise a party of lemons!
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
by Spongie on Jul 25, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have my
Earth, Wind, and Fire mixtape with September on it!
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jul 26, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold back now. Tell me how you really feel. :)
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 24, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see alot of similarities
and the fact that they are just about the same height, weight, build, and coming from the same school does mean I can draw a few comparisons. Bradley in 5 years in the NFL has averaged 14.7 yards per catch, Iglesias averaged 14.9 yards per catch in 4 years of college. Bradley also averaged 25.4 yards per return on kickoffs in college while Iglesias averaged 26.4 yards per returns on kickoffs in college, pretty similar to me. And Bradley in 2005 ran a 4.3 40 yard dash coming out of college whereas Iglesias ran a 4.5 40 yard dash. I dont know to me they are comparable.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Try lookin more closely then.
There are few similarities really. Iglesias caught 202 passes and was a three year starter, while Bradley was a one year player who only caught all of 23 balls. Bradley was drafted for his potential, while Iglesias was drafted for what he showed in college, the ability to get open and make catches … lots of them Iglesias may not have Bradley’s explosiveness, but that isn’t why the Bears drafted him, they wanted a possession receiver.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 24, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers dont lie do they
Everyone wants to keep saying Iglesias is not explosive, well you dont have 195 kick return yards in one game the fiesta bowl no less without being a little explosive but that is just me. And when I put in my piece “Im not holding my breath when it comes to Iglesias, two words Mark Bradley”, was because I dont want their careers to end up the same by being a bust.
I realize they arent the same person, I realize they didnt have the same amount of catches in college about 172 less catches but had Bradley played as long as he did I would bet their numbers wouldve been comparable. But they were both the second player taken in the draft by the Bears, Bradley a 2nd round BUST and Iglesias 3rd round pick being OUTPLAYED by a 5th round pick (Bradley never lived up to expectations and if you look at the expectations of Iglesias from the fans its already not very good just look at the difference between votes for him and Knox. My comparisons were about being a potential bust not about college careers.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That you equate Iglesias with Bradley
casts pretty strong doubts on the quality of your insights. Their respective careers in college could not be more different. In fact about the only two things they share, both went to OU and both play WR. Beyond that there is little they have in common.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 24, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's comparing their abilities
but more the way the Bears will decide to use them and how much they actually see the field.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if someone is the same
Height, Weight, Build, Speed(40 Time), both coming from the same school/system under Bob Stoops, both along with Recieving returned kicks in college with comparable Yards per return. But I cant compare I think not.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is you ignore what they accomplished while at OU
There is no comparison there, Iglesias was highly productive for three seasons while Bradley was somewhat productive for one season, which is why you ignored it I guess.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 25, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but to say they have NO comparisons
is not correct
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 25, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said they have little in common other than they were both WRs at OU
Beyond that the comparisons pretty much end. Iglesias was a highly productive part of their offense for three seasons, whereas Bradley was a modestly productive part of their offense for one season. Your attempt to equate the two is lame, let it go.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you voted for Iglesias after all this
Im not too big on the guy personally but hey like you said highly productive in a pass first offense and the one thing I like about him is he played in a lot of big games, close shootouts at Oklahoma with Bradford. But it sounds like hes behind Knox already heading into camp. Who knows hopefully Im wrong about the guy and he becomes what Santonio Holmes became for Pittsburgh or something like that ,.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 25, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't vote since I think polls like these are lame.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Jul 26, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why don't you put together a poll then?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 26, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, maybe because I think polls like these are lame
Also, if I have an opinion on the subject, I will post something, as I did this time.
Regarding polls, if you like them, do the Chicago thing, vote early and vote often.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'll just shut up then.
I didn’t think the poll was lame, he gave us options on who to vote on and then we can post our thoughts on why we voted for who we did. I respect your right to post when you have an opinion, but how is it contructive to bash the poll? The man put together a good post and you don’t like the poll so you have to tell everybody about how lame you think it is. Try to be more constructive, like if you don’t like something tell the person how to make it better.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 26, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I feel a part of the family now
Fellow WCGers stickin up for me!! Its too bad you didnt vote, kinda kills the argument, especially your reasoning for not voting. Well had he voted it would of been Iglesias considering weve been arguing about him for the last 3 days, and when this 3rd round pick loses his job to a 5th round pick this year and then eventually gets cut after we pick up Marshall or Boldin next year, everyone will be calling him a bust and I will be telling lookingdeadred I told you so!!! But hey its been a nice little debate and there is nothing better than debate, but trust me if Iglesias busts the first name you will hear is MARK BRADLEY. And if he doesnt I will be the FIRST one to apologize to lookingdeadred.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 26, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cast my vote so to speak with my posts on the subject.
I made my opinion clear enough, much clearer that with some vote inm your poll. Clearly you could understand my opinion on the subject from my posts, so there was there was no reason to vote in your little poll, except maybe to assuage your tender feelings. Why you seem hurt that I didn’t vote in your poll is the real question.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man I agree..... I definitley like debate over just getting a vote
Thats what this is all about. I did neglect to point out that Bradley had 170 less catches in his college career than Iglesias. I was just trying to find other correlations. Lets not get into the nuances of the argument lets just agree to disagree. You definitely made you point clear, I just didnt see the point in calling it a lame poll since I took the time to make it.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 27, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you EVER shame that man's name ever again!
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 27, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by smudgers on Jul 27, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's a wreck
at the expense of my shame.
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 27, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The subject of the post is fine
and I offered my opinions.I do not need to vote in a poll to make my opinion known. In fact, I can make my opinion on the subject more clear by posting than I can by voting. Voting in the poll would have added little to the debate. If others enjoy voting in polls like this, go for it, but why get all worked up because I choose not to?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 27, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worked up over it.
If you choose not to vote that’s fine, but you just decided to tell everyone it’s lame and you are above all that. My only point was he put together a good post you had a good discussion going, why tell him it’s lame, and really is it still 1985? Who uses lame?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 27, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we win the Super Bowl
We are gonna party like its 1985!
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 27, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna have to get the
shufflin crew if we’re doing that.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Jul 27, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness though I consider a good poll to have more disparity
So in a way youre right the poll was kind of lame. Everyone voted for Knox. As good as I think Knox can be I voted for Freeman because I think he has the best chance to contribute right away on special teams. Which Im always big on. And as we all know is a big part of the Bears success.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intangables.
I think it all depends on the player as a person. That is something difficult to calculate when drafting a player. From what I had seen of Bradley, he sat around nursing injuries and collected a paycheck. He riminds me a lot of Marc Columbo, the offensive linemen we drafted. So although a player may have comparable stats, their value as a player cannot be determined until they put on a Bears uniform.
by Gesiakob on Jul 24, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone heard anything about Ta'ufo'ou
since we picked him up I havent heard anything during OTA’s
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Jul 24, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be cut.
He does the fullback dive way to effectively.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 24, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was actually surpised that Knox was so far ahead of Iglesias
Reason being is that i actually saw him play at Oklahoma. The guy has some very sure hands. I am excited about Knox too don’t get me wrong. I think that Iglesias is going to be a solid receiever for us this year but i am also thinking about Bennett from last year. It will surprise me if Ron Turner gives Knox that big a role in the offense. Do i want to see it happen, of course. However, i think Iglesias will make a bigger impact because i believe he will have more oppurtunities to see the field. Pre-season is right around the corner though so i guess we will see soon enough.
by Chitownproduct on Jul 24, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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