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Cutler Ostracizes Himself in Chicago (WCG Version)

I just ran across a ridiculous fan post currently up on the Mile High Report that is insinuating Jay Cutler is avoiding his Chicago teammates. The poster claims to have heard this from a trusted co-worker, who was a high-school football coach of one of our players and team leaders. Of course, he doesn't give further details on the source or the player.

Below is an excerpt from the posting:

"Jay's the strangest guy I've ever seen. He talks football on the field, but he doesn't hang out with anyone, doesn't socialize. He's just weird. He goes off by himself all the time. I've really never been around anybody like that. He's just a strange guy. He can throw that ball. It hurts when it hits your hand. But he the weirdest guy I've ever met."

Obviously, this article is completely hearsay. However, the majority of the Denver faithful (on MHR) seem to not only believe what this person "heard", but back up the theory with their very own anecdotal experiences.

My thought on this story... get over it, already!

It has now been seventeen weeks since we sent two first rounders and Kyle Orton to them in a trade for Cutler. Yet, it appears that the wound is much deeper than anything a seventeen week, beard covered, band-aid can fix. All I can offer to them are these song lyrics: The scar that is the absence of Cutler may remain, but I promise time will heal your pain. Yes, time... will heal... your pain.

Not to digress further, I leave you with this quote from one of the comments:

Kyle Orton may only be 1/100 of the quarterback that Jay Cutler is, but I know this: Orton is thrilled to be here, and he will give everything that he has for us. That makes him 100X the QB that Cutler is in my mind.

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And this picture of Cutler ostracizing himself from his teammate:

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via www.ronmex.com

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And lastly, this photo of these Broncos fans:

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via img404.imageshack.us

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Virtually all of the 'complaints' about Cutler

came after he was sent to Chicago.

Before the trade he was seen as one of the few bright spots on the Broncos.
I never heard any of this BS before he was traded.

That says it all.

by GeoMak on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess thats why there were reports of his drinking

with Olsen and if it could be a problem and he’s been all over Chicago from Wrigley to all the local speak easy’s. Man, what a recluse!

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You sir are a genius

fantastic post. Appears that the MHR is spreading propaganda, I might just have to go over there and put a stop to it.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just posted my reply on MHR.

And welcomed them back here. So put on your fancy party dress, we mays be havin’ some company.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw that.

Excellent response btw.

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read pretty much everything

I think you are right on with what you said. Sounds to me like a bunch of sour grapes.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO... troublemaker...

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jul 29, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

made for SOME good reading...

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jul 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for a rumble gentlemen.

“We gotta win that fight tonight… Let’s do it for Johnny Jay, man. We’ll do it for Jay!”

Damn socs.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jul 30, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, hell of a stretch

good job.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol thanks.

I think.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the worst thing

I hear about Cutler during his Chicago tenure is that he’s a “weird guy”.. I think we can count that trade as a win. :-P

by Allie on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You took the words right outta my mouth.

So what? Maybe if he spends some time alone he can focus on his game…

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oddly, I see nothing wrong with that description.

Maybe b/c it’s basically how most people would describe me.

@bs_uf15bosox9be:OverTheMonster-ALLERGEN WARNING:May contain PB.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey that pic of Olsen and Cutler is my profile pic

I just added the text lol

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh My Gawd Cindy..

My bestest friend just told me that her high school coach told her that ALL BRONCO FANS ARE BIAAAATCH’S.. For crying out loud if your so happy the dude is gone quit STALKING the man you big bunch of losers..

by Syndor on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read this from a Broncos fan on that site
It wasn’t that long ago (last season actually) that I worked at Wolfgang Pucks in LoDo. Well, on a windy and somewhat snowy January 8th (Before McD’s hiring), Jay came in with about 13 other people at around 9 pm and had his feast. I was obliged to serve him and all his guests all night long. Well, they were there about 3 hours and when they left I went to clear the tables and there sat a napkin with a nice message: "Fuck this town, I’m out of here and your tip’s coming with me"

Personally it sounds a little farfetched to me, but clearly there’s a ton of hatred there. I imagine it’s just people mad he left and not as much about what he did on the field.

by dkguy55 on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man sounds like a load of crap to me..

You can’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths good or bad when it comes to Cutler. They have shown what type of people they are. When you ask them why none of these concerns were voiced before they thought he would be out of town and no one can give you an answer. They are about as heartless as Vikes fans…

by Syndor on Jul 29, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be...

Hey, Denver fan here. I don’t know exactly how we’ve shown ourselves heartless, just broken hearted. You have to understand its been a hell of an off-season for us Broncos fans. Concerns about Cutler were voiced by several people throughout the past three seasons, from the moment he replaced Jake Plummer handfuls of people were concerned. However, Denver is a town that has a love affair with the QB position, since and because of John Elway. Everyone who has come after John has travelled in his shadow… until Cutler. Cutler was the first QB we had in years where a majority of the fan base supported him (similar to what you’ve got going on in Chicago right now).

We did complain about him during that two year period though, he was often seen out drinking in LoDo before and after games, sometimes in big groups and sometimes by himself. This was a concern, but we were willing to overlook it for the most part because we knew we had something special. During the games it was very easy to tell how well our offense was going to perform merely by watching Cutler on the sideline while the D was on the field. If he was standing up and engaged in the game or discussion with other teammates, the kid was on. If he was sitting by himself and hanging his head, then the winning fire just wasn’t there. A lot of these attitudes were attributed to the diabetes when that was discovered at the end of his second year and so we were giving him more time. For a lot of people, they were very concerned about the reports of Jay’s drinking with his disease especially so close to games, and that was known before the trade… the other stories… I can’t confirm, I don’t know. Personally I think the Wolfgang Puck Waiter story sounds like BS, but again, I don’t know.

Cutler was the most talented QB we’ve had since John and that Chicago has had since I’ve been alive. But his remorted mood swings and alcohol consumption were widely reported – and widely sushed in the Broncos fan community. We were willing to give Cutler time to mature into something really special, and for the most part we felt very committed to backing him. When Shanny got fired it was a blow, but not a huge shocker, we still believed we had Jay to lead this team. When the Cutler-McDaniels issues arose, Broncos nation just couldn’t believe it. Ultimately, it was clear that Jay wanted out of Denver and as fans who wanted Jay in Denver we felt snubbed and yes, a little butt-hurt. But as we had time to process we collectively began recalling the negatives to Jay Cutler…. I think its part of the fan base going through the grieving process for what we once believed we had with this team (Shock, Anger, Withdrawal, Acceptance). Right now we’re somewhere between Anger and Acceptance… most of the Broncos community is tired of hearing about Jay (I know I am) and we’d like to put our faith and trust in our new regime, but having issues with our probowl reciever (BMarshall), we’re still feeling the reverberations of the Shanny-Jay saga and we’re not yet over it. Please, give us time and accept that most of us are anything but thrilled that you got what is ultimately a very very talented QB. The Broncos future progression seemed certain last year and it included both Shanny and Jay. This year, we have no idea what to expect.

by pickledmule on Jul 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

wow, nicely written sir

in WCG’s terms… WRECKED.

With exception of the drinking aspect, which I never really heard of until more recently (but then again, I don’t live in Denver, so I don’t have access to these athletes like some of you do), my perspective is very similar to yours.

For the WCG faithful, to put it simply, look at it this way… This was very similar to an uber messy divorce. What usually happens in a messy divorce? Well, each party exhibits sour grapes, only remembers the negatives of that other person, and has a hard time recalling any positives. I think many of the folks over at MHR and the fan community are in this state or as pickledmule explains somewhere between Anger and Acceptance. Thus, you will continue to see bashing of our ex-QB Cutler.

There are a few of us over at MHR who try to keep things in perspective and remind folks that Cutler wasn’t all bad, but it can be hard for many of us Bronco fans. Only time will heal…

And btw, pickedmule, I lol’ed at the “butt-hurt” part of your comment. ;)

by tunga77 on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i got to say it...

but we are pretty heartless too..i mean we did boo rexy right off the field when he came in to replace a down orton.. chicago is a tough club

Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun

by tomh115 on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is what started the majority of the bashing.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the story is true...

… it doesn’t mean Cutler left the note. He was with 13 other people…

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, this smells an awful lot

like a bus-boy snatched up a big fat tip for himself.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post!

That deserves my WRECK’!

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

my first Cutler complaint

the manscaping
we men with chest hair are a shrinking minority

by No It All on Jul 29, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not surprising

and hey I can see why they are upset cause lets face it if the roles were reversed I can see a bunch of Bear fans doing the same thing…

But for the love of god move on….Hes not there anymore….Just like the orton/grossman debates that still rage on in the offish Bear forums….Its over move on….Guess its hard on some people….but eh…..

And speaking of that Olsen-Cutler pic I remember when it first came out I seen a slew of bronco fans use that as “proof” of Cutler being an alcoholic yet ignore ortons pic and call it “oh orton is just having a good time”…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and

I’ve seen a shlew of Broncos fans saying we were trading one drunk for another.

by pickledmule on Jul 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncos Fan

The original post at MHR was hearsay and most recognized it as such. The post has changed into relating personal experiences with Broncos players past and present.

I would not use the picture posted. Cutler sitting with a fat belly, glazed look in his eyes holding an alcoholic drink while Olsen appears to be saying “Dude!” The man is a diabetic and should not be drinking.

Anyway, I hope you guys have a great year (except against the Broncos). Football season is almost here!

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much the same response that I posted to you in your thread...

About the photo, It is not up to me to determine what he does with his life. If that is an alcoholic beverage in his hand (and there’s no guarantee’s that it is), so what? Here is a link, to get you educated on alcohol and diabetes. Enjoy!

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

omigod

For sure!

It’s girls’ night out. How do I safely consume alcohol if I am diabetic?

Thanks for the laugh.

But for the record. Cutler was often seen wasted drunk in Denver. That’s more than having a “white wine spritzer.”

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...

Cindy Guirino, RD/LD, CDE, CNSD, ACE PT
Her opinion is hilarious.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Point

I was noting that the article was for GIRLS night out. That’s what struck me as funny.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's another link

Diabetes and drinking 101

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defending Drinking

I hope you are not defending your star QB’s drinking. I’m just saying that he is a professional athlete with diabetes and the star of Chicago. He really just should not drink at all. Don’t you agree?

Personally I would want my team’s QB to be exemplary.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't give a crap if he drinks.

It’s not my place to tell him he can’t. Are we supposed to micro-manage his personal life?

And good luck with that, by the way.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what you're saying

First, you use foul language. You objected to some of the MHR posts using it. Aren’t you being hypocritical?

Second, I’m not sure why you posted the Orton picture. He’s not holding the bottle. I was not aware before now that Orton had any drinking or bad party habits. All the news here in Denver is that he shows up early and leaves late and is completely focused on the Broncos. All the reports of his time in Chicago is that he is a team oriented leader. Maybe he wasn’t as productive on the field as you would like. But he posted a better winning percentage than Cutler.

Third, fair enough. It’s not your place to tell Jay what to do. And I am pollyannish enough to wish for my team’s QB to be exemplary on and off the field.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
But he posted a better winning percentage than Cutler.

Because he had a better defense.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I said "crap"

Really… Off to the bathroom for me.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better Defense

Not really. Cutler could not put up points with the offense and our STs were awful putting us in terrible field position. The offense was GREAT between the 20’s and relied heavily on passing. Therefore our time of possession was low leading to the Defense being on the field too long.

The Bears have a long tradition of great defenses. Respectfully, the statistics show that your D has declined. NFL ranked 21. How the mighty have fallen! Broncos ranked 29. You’re right. We sucked.

We, the Broncos, have a long tradition of great running games. Our running game has declined. One of the first things our new coach did was get FA running backs and then drafted RB Moreno with our 1st pick. The goal, we think, is to have a powerful running game that can control the clock.

I won’t bore you with lots of statistical analyses. But you are cordially invited to browse our site MHR and read some of the excellent articles and posts.

I won’t deny that our D was bad last year. We’ve done a lot about it. Including draft picks we got from you, thank you very much! But the point is that Orton got the touchdowns that won games and Cutler did not. Don’t believe the MSM hype that all the Broncos needed to do was draft some front 7 guys. Our biggest problem last year was HORRIBLE safety play, our middle linebacker was out of position or couldn’t tackle, and downright stupid coaching calls.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep this short

You said Kyle has a better winning percentage than Cutler, which I agree with. But Kyle played with a better defense. In 2005 he won 10 games here are the stats from the 05 season. Yes our D has declined over the last few years, but you have to admit that our D where Kyle got 10 of his 21 wins was better than yours.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Admissions

Ditkavsworld, I’ll admit your D was better than ours. But not by much. While it is tempting to lay all credit or blame on QB’s, the bottom line is that Cutler didn’t get touchdowns when it counted and Orton did.

I think Cutler has above-average physical skills but lacks many of the other qualities it takes to be an above-average QB. The MSM latched onto his “Pro-Bowl Quarterback” title and has not taken the time to truly analyze him. He “earned” the Hawaii trip from the first half of the season. Remember? He completely choked the last 4 games of the season.

You may not know this, but he “gave up” his right to start as the 2nd QB at the pro bowl because he was hung over from the night before. True! I kid you not! Confirmed by multiple sources. Remember that Peyton Manning threw his diabetes monitor into the pool! HIS DIABETES MONITOR! That’s a pretty important piece of equipment for a diabetic. It’s because Cutler was passed-out drunk at the hotel pool. Didn’t you notice how hang-dog droopy he dragged himself onto the field?

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

Peyton through him into the pool, without giving him a chance to stop him to take off his meter… a lot of people play around like that. But if anyone is to blame for that, it’s Peyton…

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't watch the Pro Bowl

and as Honey Bear stated your facts on the pool situation are wrong. But I’m learning to expect that from you and some of your counterparts at MHR. Mike Clark when he comes over here uses facts, it’s much nicer when actual facts are used.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no

A guy didn’t want to play in the pro bowl!

how unheard of…

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EndZone

The stories I read was that he gave up his 2nd spot to Kerry Collins in deference to an older veteran, who may not have that many chances to play in the Pro Bowl in the future.

I also read on the Denver Broncos website that he was generally calling it a night much earlier than his Pro Bowl mates.

He also flew in several Bronco linemen and maybe Eddie (can’t remember) to show his appreciation of their work throughout the season.

I still have not read anything but speculation about his being too drunk to play… =/

by tunga77 on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice touch...

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jul 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Now Your Aware Endzone.

Kyle Orton is from Iowa. Kyle Orton drinks heavily and often. So if you get a chance, buy him a bottle of Wild Turkey.

by Gesiakob on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're going to make this an argument? Seriously?

1.

I’m just saying that he is a professional athlete with diabetes and the star of Chicago.

Exactly, I think he’s old enough to be able to handle and know his own body so that he doesn’t overdo himself. Having diabetes doesn’t mean you can’t have a life. Tell all the other professional athletes they shouldn’t drink… see how well that does over.

2.

Personally I would want my team’s QB to be exemplary.

Now you have Orton… known for his heavy drinking and party habits. Are you going to “defend your QB’s drinking”?

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
I bet you put the fun in funeral.

Wreck… just for that. :)

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call Me A Preacher

Funny post. Thanks.

No, I’m not preaching. All I’m saying is that you’ve inherited a problem and, if it were me, I would HOPE for better from him.

Chicago has great pubs. I hope you have enough cash to pay for his cab rides home.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't live in Chicago

so I won’t be paying for his cab rides. Even if I did he has plenty of money to pay for his own. I never said you were preaching. I have inherited nothing, I’m a fan of the team he plays QB for. I hope he’s happy doing what he wants to do. I also hopes he plays well and wins us some superbowls. I don’t know him personally so I have no connection to him other than being a fan.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Misunderstand Me

I hope Cutler does well in Chicago also. More than that, however, I hope that the Bears do well.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Hold on… lets go over this for a second.

I don’t drink not because I’m a diabetic but b/c I don’t like it. I don’t really really give a dang if someone else does so long as they’re not sloshing on me.

Jay Cutler is a grown man, if he wants to have a beer or 12 while out with the guys I don’t care at all so long as he gets himself home safely. I want his behavior on the field to be fantastic and his off the field stuff to be under control and legal.

Thats it. The fact that you want to tell a grown man what to do in his off time is disturbing.

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said "dang"

I’m ROFL & don’t even know why!!!

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

This whole thing really started up some chatter. They’re getting pretty intense over there… it’s kind of entertaining. Glad we had a little off-season action!

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Jul 29, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How is reporting an article from pft (I know, not the greatest source) trolling?
I feel like Cutler is a terrible teamate and will hurt chicago in the long run?
So does disagreeing with the hopeful fans mean im trolling?

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When you create an account

and the first comment out of the shoot is inflammatory in nature, you’re gonna get treated like a troll. If you want to actually provide something significant to the site, by all means go for it.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you guys should worry less about what the folks about MHR are saying about Cutler and worry more about what his new teammates are saying about him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Careful, I posted that earlier and was threated with a ban for trolling lol.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Hearsay

But maybe “where there’s smoke there’s fire?”

Look, Bears fans, we Broncos fans fear for your team. We have absolutely nothing (or at least very little) against your team. We have learned Cutler’s character by bitter experience.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And lucky for us,

when we did acquire a Pro Bowl QB, we got him at a young enough age where he will still be able to grow and mature. It’s not like he’s been in the league 10 years and set in his ways.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True Enough

Cutler can change. But I would not put too much emphasis on “Pro Bowl QB.” Remember that Cutler completely choked the rest of the season AFTER he had been voted to the Pro Bowl.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Im sure Cutler had every thing to do with the defense giving up 37.3 PPG, and 388.6 yards of offense on avg durning that 3 game losing streak….

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

He was intercepted too often and couldn’t get past 3rd down and couldn’t throw a completed pass into the end zone.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good defenses still

clamp down and force Turnovers and create sacks on occasion…Not to mention I am sure I saw denver defenses give up long drives but hey that was Jays fault to so….

Jay Cutler sucks so much its amazing he was loved at all in denver….Course hes the anti christ now but eh….

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never Said

that Cutler sucks. I am saying that Cutler is not as good as the mainstream media would have you believe. Critical analysis of his individual stats, team stats, league stats, etc. coupled with knowledge of his personality will lead you to the same conclusion if you are being fair. Your team is getting a talented player. I’m simply urging a little caution in your enthusiasm.

Let’s see if we can agree on some postulates:

Broncos Oline = A Bears Oline = C
Broncos Receivers = A Bears Receivers = C

On Defense the Broncos are NOT THE SAME. We have let go most of last years’ starters and added proven veterans. I don’t think the Bears defense has changed much from last year:
Broncos Dline = C Bears Dline = B
Broncos Secondary = A Bears Secondary = B+ to A

If we can agree that the Broncos Oline and Receivers are better than Bears, then it stands to reason that Cutler will not have as good a season with the Bears as he had with the Broncos. Conversely, Orton will have a better season with the Broncos than he had with the Bears. After all, this is a TEAM sport.

If we can agree that the Broncos defense is much improved and the Bears defense is about the same and Cutler will not do as well and Orton will do better, then logically the Broncos will have a better season. Or will the addition of Cutler and Orlando Pace and Iglesias make that much of a difference to the Bears’ offense?

I’m interested in your response.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Follow the Bears

So the only Oline guy that I know they added is Pace.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your defense isnt gonna be much better

adding brian dawkins, (in a defense he has never played in ) and robert ayers (who hasnt signed yet) does not a good defense make, the bears on the other hand got rod to help the dline added pisa to shore up the strong side linebacker, and hired jon hoke to help in the secondary. no you tell me who has done more to improve the defense?

"snuffalufagus fucks my shit up"

by leopoldjones on Jul 30, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncos D improvements

Safety: Dawkins & Hill are much better than Manual & McCree.

CB: Goodman is better than Bly as #2 CB. A Smith has much more upside than J Bell at nickel back. Champ is heathy.

ILB: Andre Davis is a big upgrade over Nate Webster. DJ Williams is moving back to the other ILB.

OLB: Ayers, Dumerville, Reid (acquired from the Colts) is an improvement over Jamie Winborn & the oft injured Boss Bailey.

D Line: Added much needed beef with FA additions such as R Fields (315 lbs), J Parker (325 lbs), C Baker (329 lbs) & still have Marcus Thomas (305 lbs). Which looks a lot better to me than players like John Engelberger, Nic Clemons, & Dewayne Robertson.

Coach/Scheme: Mike Nolan is a big step up from Bob Slowik.

I think the Broncos have done more to improve their D than the Bears, although the Bears D didn’t need an overhaul like the Broncos did. The Broncos D is much better than their 2008 version. Better coaching/scheme, better secondary, better LB’s, & the D Line is maybe slightly better, at worst it’s the same.

There are still ? marks at D line for sure, but the new regime addressed the weak secondary and improved the LB’s. D Line upgrades will have to wait given the relatively weak D Line draft depth & not too many big D Line FA’s this off-season.

With a still potent offense (a step back at QB but step up at RB (Moreno & healthy Hillis) that has an excellent O Line, excellent WR’s, & excellent TE’s, if the Broncos D improves to just the 16-23 range this team will not only be much better than everyone seems to think, they will be in playoff contention in a relatively weak division.

BTW: Vegas has the Broncos as a 3 point dog at the Bengals in week 1…if you like money.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 PT DOG....

even vegas doesn’t give you respect!!!! why should we?!?!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bet the Bungles then

Put your $ where your mouth is.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good one...
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

take your own advice and walk away…

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Jul 31, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sure know how to make guests feel welcome

Your conter points are truley exceptional as well.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's funny

…is that I’m sure Urlacher feels that way about ALL QBs…and he’s probably told them all as much… :-)

I’m also sure Wade the Viking (hint hint) would have NO reason to create drama among the Bears just as they’re heading into camp, right?
(Afterall, misery loves company…)

And I’m sure the media has no interest in perpetuating it’s on-going Cutler-smear, huh? campaign

by Amishbear on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the time of year when "anything goes" reporting is in a frenzy.

Wade has some nerve for sure if it is true. He and Urlacher were on a trip together, and now Wade is coming forward with this?

I wonder how the typically quiet Urlacher is going to respond…

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by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wondering the same thing...

Urlacher of the 2-word responses to the media is a not-too-distant memory…

Depending how big it gets, I bet he or Jay may some kind of dismissive joke about it to dispell over the next week or so…

I’d might actually be concerned that it was true AND causing friction if not….

by Amishbear on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should he respond at all?

If Cutler gets upset about it, maybe private conversation… but I see no reason to call more attention to it personally.

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call...

Typically, we see players responding through the media (either via their agents, or throught he team) in certain situations, but Urlacher ain’t exactly the poster child of media substance. Luckily, the media will have plenty of real things to talk about starting on Friday.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should read: “smear campaign, huh?” of course…sorry, got Slyx-dexlic there for a minute…

by Amishbear on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying to hold a formal press conference or anything

but a brief, dismissive joke during one of the standard camp interviews might not hurt…

While it may add fuel to fire if it’s handled the worng way, it could also help to put the rumor-mongering to a rest (showing there’s no bad blood)

by Amishbear on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you guys have resorted to conspiracy theories now? Nice!

If my memory serves this isn’t the first time that Urlacher ‘reportedly’ had some less than flattering remarks about his new QB.

Maybe it’s all made up? But I find that smoke typically accompanies fire.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do remember when we got Cutler,

Urlacher made a comment about “Wow, we gave up a lot. He must be good.” There were a few media hounds that tried to make a big deal out of that too.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww how cute!

the bronco fans even have their cliches picked to match.

Can we FIND another “fire” metaphor?

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could…but do you really want me too?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Urlacher on the statement
``Oh please. I don’t think I would ever say that about one of my teammates," Urlacher told the Tribune. ``Look, Bobby Wade’s a friend of mine. He’s trying to get things going before training camp. That’s just Bobby being Bobby. I’m pretty sure Jay knows I wouldn’t say that about him."

``I didn’t even practice," Urlacher said, referring to a minor groin injury that limited his participation. ``If anything, I called him a few names for zipping balls by my head with that cannon he has. Me having to be restrained? That’s funny."

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if Cutler gets Urlacher a SB ring

He’ll be Urlacher’s favorite Pu$$y in the world!

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure

that not all 53 men on the roster are going to fell in love with one another and that people will like and not like certain people so eh….what matters is that they get out there and perform as a team….guess we will see…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You do realize that

Urlacher and orton were close and went out to party on occasion and now his friend is traded…of course hes going to be upset about the trade…..but whatever

I guess once we Bear fans realize that Cutler is am alcoholic piece of trash that punches babies and kicks his team mates in the nuts and that denver is the greatest team ever with orton that goes around saving kittens the denver fans will be happy…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You’re starting to come around. ;-)

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just know if he has a bad day with drops and sacks, he will throw his team under the bus and lose the lockerroom. The only sense of leadership he had in Denver was the C on his jersey.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean to tell me

that Cutler got voted Captain twice despite his teammates hating him? Wonder if he had pics of everyone in unflattering postions…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there’s gonna be a lot of PR problems if your 1st round 2nd year starting QB isn’t named a captain. And Denver had 2 offensive captains.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that can be true

but all the QBs that came through the Bears (including 1st round pick grossman) were never voted captain until orton last year granted most sucked anyways…. But I just find it odd that Cutler can be that HATED AND LOATHED and still be voted captain…..but what ever…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of it is coming out now. Champ just gave an interview. A paraphrased report from a broncos forum:
-jay cutler did not call champ back during his “incommunicado” period. said you cant get all “butthurt” when youre name comes up in trade talks, even if you are a QB. said he was coming off of 4 probowls when he got traded, jay was only off one. said if you dont want to be on the team he doesnt watn you here.

You just can’t ignore your boss, coach, and best player on your team because you can’t take the business aspect.
He’s mentally and emotionally weak if any of the reports about his being unreachable are true.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and what about this from an interview July 6th
Denver Broncos Champ Bailey offers thoughts on Jay Cutler

By Vaughn McClure

Denver Broncos defensive back Champ Bailey on the Waddle & Silvy show Monday. Bailey was asked where he thought new Bears quarterback Jay Cutler ranked among the top quarterbacks in the league.

``Well he’s definitely in the top 10 as far as what he’s done to this point,’’ Bailey said.

``Now where he can be, he can be the best in the game, he has that ability. The guys very smart, very sharp, a good arm; he has all the stuff you’d want. He reminds me of a Marino, Elway type of guy, and he’s going to be a great winner for them….."

Bailey was asked if he ever questioned Cutler as a leader.

``No, not at all,‘’ he said. ``That’s one thing about him, he’s not a shouter, but when he gets upset and he knows we’ve got to get going he opens his mouth. I appreciate that from him, I’d rather have a guy that leads by example than a guy that talks all the time.’’

And Bailey’s thoughts on the trade?

``The possibility was a shock, but once in sunk in a little bit, that’s just the nature of the NFL, you never know,‘’ he said. ``You see guys leaving here, look at Jason Taylor, he left, a number five all decade guy, you never thought he’d leave Miami, but it just happens.’’

Listen to the hate in his voice you can hear it ring now…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read that too. Funny he says one thing to Chi and another to Den.
Who knows.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

Just posturing to fans who knows…tell the denver/Chicago fans what they want to hear…..we will see on friday….God friday come on…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude,

in the same interview you’re speaking of. Bailey said he wasn’t surprised that Cutler didn’t get back to him, considering the amount of calls and texts that he had surely received. In no way did Bailey criticize him.

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds pretty critical to me. Did you read it?

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s essentially saying cutler isn’t good enough to pull the stunt he did.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand.

He wasn’t good enough to pull what stunt? Getting traded? If that is what Cutler wanted to have happen and it did. Wouldn’t he be good enough? Dear god…. I don’t make sense now.

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are aware that cutler refused to return calls from his coach, owner of the team, and many members of the team as soon as his feelings were hurt by rumors of a potential trade, right? He forced denver’s hand by being a crybaby.
Champ was saying that no player is good enough to act like that, even QBs.
It’s not that hard to figure out.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, go it.

Terry Bradshaw agrees with Bailey. He said the same thing about Elway. And many folks said the same thing about Eli Manning. Both Champs btw. ;-)

by rdent4hof on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This characterization of the scenario

is so false and so skewed…

Bowlen leads Jay to believe Shanny will still be coach.
LIE.
Bowlen promises Jay that at least he’ll still have his QB coach (forget his name off the top of my head).
LIE.
McDaniels comes in, and tells Jay he’s the man, looks forward to working with him, blah blah. Jay says alright, I’m excited too, blah blah.
Next thing you know, Jay learns McDaniels was pltting to knife him in the back (while smiling in his face).
LIE.
So after the trade fails, a meeting is scheduled among Bowlen, Jay and McD1ck to make the peace.
Bowlen assures Jay things will be pathced up in the meeting.
But in the course of the meeting, rather than McDaniels saying, “okay, you’re the man NOW,” his arrogance gets the best of him, and he said, in effect:
I STILL would prefer Cassel if I could get him…"
BETRAYAL. LIE.
And Bowlen, instead of backing away from this, backs McDaniels.
BETRAYAL. LIE.

It was after THAT meeting that Jay stopped taking calls.

Which, in my opinion, is what any grown man with the least bit of dignity and even half a backbone would have done.

Yep, the NFL’s a business. And business is business.

But that doesn’t mean there isn’t RIGHT and WRONG.

Anyway, it all worked out for the best. For us.

You jilted lover types can have fun with Kyle.

by Amishbear on Jul 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You have a link to backup that timeline?
Good luck keeping him happy with your terrible recievers and even worse line.
I have a feeling kyle will have a better year than Jay, and chicago will remember that they will always be a defensive team.
Cutler is not as good as advertised, he threw like 650 times to get those 5k yards. He is terrible in the red zone and can thank marshall for reeling a lot of throws into double coverage.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a poignant and interesting contribution.

by FlexGunmetal on Jul 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope not nearly as good as adverstised...

Have fun watching Brandom Marshall throw hissy fits when Orton misses him wide open on the deep route roughly 2 a game…

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Jul 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshall failed his physical

why don’t y’all go worry about your own team?

by Allie on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Marshall has not failed his physical. Not yet anyway.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

You guys came to our side of the tracks lookin’ some beef. Well, you found it. Why doesn’t the doctor take a lil’ of her own medicine, and disperse it evenly amongst everyone else here while you’re at it.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Aug 5, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Promises

Bowlen never promised Jay anything.
McDaniels never promised Jay anything

Amishbear, you’ve been fed a pack of lies.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

don’t need a formal promise in order to have a betrayal.

I think the only people feeding me lies are the jilted lover/psychotic ex-girlfriend types coming out of Denver.

And the Cutler haters from the AFC west.
And the new (jealous) ones in the North.

Yup, there’s a lot of people who have it in for Jay for one reason or another.
But it won’t be long before we find out exaclty how much he will mean to Chicago.

You can TRY to temper our enthusiasm all you want, but you might as well be throwing a match into the ocean and hoping it evaporates it.

And one last thing—trying to break down the Bears vs. Broncos by grading the various parts is just faulty thinking, and shows a poor understanding of football.

A team is ALWAYS more (or less) than the sum of its parts.

You can’t quantify the intangibles and other factors: coaching, confidence, leadership, motivation, injuries, weather, scheduling, etc.

So, please, keep your bitterness and your sour grapes to yourself…
Jay unequivocably gets the benefit of the doubt in this town, until he proves otherwise.

Bear Down.

by Amishbear on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly!

And that’s why I keep repeating myself that Josh McDaniels is an idiot! He comes in and chases away the best player on the team with lies and then starts a media circus. In the end McDaniels Cutler and Casell. He wanted Casell all along but lost out to Kansas City. EGG ON THE FACE!

by Gesiakob on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your blatant trollage is really annoying.

McDaniels chased no one away. You’re absolutely stupid if you think Angelo hasn’t entertained offers from other teams for guys like Urlacher too. It’s the business. No player is ever safe. Not Jay Cutler, not Urlacher, not even Tom Brady. So I suggest you do your research and quit being so ignorant to McDaniels and his methods. We’ll see how Cassel does (just like Jay Cutler) when he has no one to throw to. Say what you want about us and our piddly defense. Our defense is about as proven as your offense. You can act like Jay Cutler will end all and be the best to ever play the game, but how will your reaction to him be when he decides Chicago is doing something he doesn’t like and he cries and sobs his way out of your town too? You’ll see, Jay Cutler is NOT a team player and it will be known this year for you as much as it was made known to Bronco fans.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 30, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not a troll

We don’t need you coming over here to beat up on him, that’s our job. Get over the fact that you “got stiffed” on a tip. You want to come over here and discuss football like an adult that fine, but if you want to come over here and rant and rave like a two year old we don’t need it.

Your argument of my team is better than your team just wait and see is getting tiresome. I get it, you don’t like Cutler. Well I do and he hasn’t done anything in Chicago to make me feel otherwise. He’s also a native of the same state as I am and that says he has good character and is a good human being. Lay off. You are boring me. Contribute more than just your blatant disgust for Cutler or just run along back to MHR where people will entertain your hurt feelings.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calijoe

I think your post is a little too strong for posting on their site. My vote is to chill.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cassel has Bowe, Bradley and Engram..

Not a collection of nobody’s by any means

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Jul 30, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No One

On the Broncos team has ever said they hated and loathed Cutler.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I was being sarcastic at the amount of times I see that in various denver fans remarks….

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Biggs wrote about the Wade quote

for those interested:

Bobby Wade was always an outspoken player when he was in a Bears uniform.

The wide receiver, who has been with the Minnesota Vikings for the last two seasons, remains that way today. He still has guys he considers friends in the Bears locker room, and he was roommates with linebacker Lance Briggs in college at Arizona and while they were with the Bears.

He’s probably caught their attention now. Probably not in a good way. Pro Football Talk reported that Wade spouted off about his former team and its new quarterback in a big way this morning on KFAN in Minneapolis when visiting with host Paul Allen, who happens to be the play-by-play voice of the Vikings. According to Wade, he was recently in Las Vegas with middle linebacker Brian Urlacher. It’s what Wade says that came out of the mouth of Urlacher that is surprising.

“Jay Cutler is a good player,‘’ Wade said. "Obviously, it’s a much different environment from going from Denver to play in Chicago. Chicago is a tough club to play for. What is so funny, I actually saw Brian Urlacher this past weekend in Las Vegas and we had a long conversation.

“I don’t want to get him in trouble, but it wasn’t what [the Bears] expected. Pretty much [Urlacher] said Jay Cutler was a [deleted] for the most part.’’

Link

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MHR faithful

You said:

However, the majority of the Denver faithful (on MHR) seem to not only believe what this person “heard”, but back up the theory with their very own anecdotal experiences.

You are leaping to a conclusion not supported by the facts.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not the Story

But the theory that Cutler may be ostracizing himself in Chicago may have merit based on personal experiences and reported facts about his character IS generally believed to be true by Broncos fans.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Im geogre bush and everyone loves me on the internet to….it comes down to hearsay from a fan of the team that just traded the man away….but whatever floats your boat….we Bear fans get it now Jay Cutler is satan and should be treated as such by Bear fans….

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now Now

Don’t blow it out of proportion. As a Broncos fan I’m just saying that we’ve got some experience with Cutler and that Bears fans should not annoint him the saviour until he demonstrates it on the field.

Colinski, a fine regular at MHR, has a very good post regarding hearsay# (You may have to “search” the article for Colinski)

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I understand

Denver fans hate his guts/Think hes the anti christ and Bear fans think hes the savior and can do no wrong…..

Look I know I am going to boo Cutler and be critical of his play if I as a fan get upset but fact is he is the most talented/exciting QB this team has had in a long time…..

So you would have forgive some of us Bear fans for being excited for the team we like/love

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing Needs To Be Forgiven

Of course you’re excited about Cutler and rightfully so. Broncos fans don’t hate Cutler. We just know him better than you do. I personally hope Cutler does well in Chicago. But my greater hopes for a good season are for the Bears and Bears fans.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing against you

but I have seen plenty of denver fans hope cutler gets hurt or flops in Chicago (ie hate Cutler)….but hey I understand it cause if the situation was reversed I would be pretty upset to……

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough already!

Too! For the love of Orton’s neckhair, it’s too!

Link

Sorry to do that to you CF, but it drives me nuts!

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That one bothers me less

than your and you’re.

Even the “their, there and they’re” stuff I can get past but the “you’re/your” completely drives me up the wall.

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen sister.

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It probably wouldn't have bothered me so bad...

if it hadn’t been the third post in a row from CF with the wrong usage. I let the first two slide, but my head was about to explode if I saw it again.

The your/you’re does get to me too.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 30, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we cannot classify them as a whole.

I am as guilty of that as anyone else.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I’ve read enough from Bronco fans telling us we need to be “cautious” with Jay Cutler blah blah blah.

How quick everyone forgets how the city of Chicago actually treats QB’s. Do we need to list the last 1400 since Jimmy Mac? I don’t think so. Do I need to bring up Rex and all that? I don’t think so. Do I need to state that KO is a game manager? Nope.

So what am I getting at. Jay is an adult, who got traded to another team. His raw skill and talent alone are un upgrade to the previous QB. Given the circumstances that:
1. He will have an improved O-line and Running Game to work with this year, over what KO had last year.
2. The defense while not revamped on the personnel side of the ball, has seen coaching changes which should produce some increase level in style of play.
3. More defensive players are healthy this year than last(hopefully Tillman will be back by the first game)
4. Good QB’s make receivers better.

All this means that the Bears should see an improvement in Offensive output and defensive play which in turn can result in more W’s. Denver is not better than Chicago, you can say it all night long and it’ll never be true.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

Chicago IS notorious for their treatment of their QBs.

You list some good reasons for the Bears improvement this year. Though I’m not sure why on your offense other than the addition of Pace for your stated Oline and running game improvement. I like your Iglesias pick, btw. Oh, and good receivers make QBs better also. Takes two to tango ya know.

Being a Broncos fan, I know I can never persuade you that the Broncos are better than the Bears.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

You will never persuade me that the Broncos are better. I swear to Ditka you won’t.

Oline Additions Besides Pace- Kevin Shaffer, Frank Omiyale, and Chris Williams playing a full season(hopefully healthly) is why I brought up an improved O line.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pace

Is, or was, a great player. I hope he can play at his previous high level for your team.
Shaffer – has kicked around from the Falcons, Browns and now Bears. Sounds more like a journeyman than a great pickup.
Omiyale – has kicked around from the Falcons, Panthers and now Bears. Sounds more like a journeyman than a great pickup.
Williams – is a 2nd year Vanderbilt guy who hasn’t shown much yet.

Altogether, maybe a half a point for adding Pace. (C to a C+ maybe?)

What I saw last year was the Oline not protecting KO very well forcing quick, short passes and outlet passes to Forte. KO did not have the time to perform better. Instead of 3-4 seconds, KO was getting maybe 1 1/2 to 2 seconds. Add Pace and you may get another average 1/2 second. Add Cutler’s mobility? I’ll admit I think it’s overrated, but even if you add a factor for that, I still think your Oline is not dramatically improved. I’ll give you some improvement, but not statistically significant. Am I wrong?

Actually, my biggest concern for the Bears’ offense is what seems like a lack of good receiving options. Olsen is great, Hester is NOT a #1 receiver, Iglesias and Knox may be keepers. You will never convince me that the QB makes the receiver. Nor will you convince me that the receiver makes the QB. It’s a team effort of QB, receivers, Oline and coaching.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addition by subtraction as well.

While you may not be sold on Williams, Pace and/or Shaffer, however it is an improvement over our bookends from last year – John St. Clair and John Tait. Omiyale is pushing for Beekman’s job and that competition will only produce better results, one would hope.

Concerning the chicken and egg debate, we should get an answer to that debate soon enough. It has been discussed ad nauseam on this site, but Hester and our other receivers will be just fine this year.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

KC Joyner, author and publisher of The Football Scientist, was kind of enough to share with us his run blocking metrics after just completing film analysis of the Bears. He’s halfway through the NFC North (having also completed a review of the Detroit Lions) and Joyner has already knocked out the AFC East, NFC West, NFC East, AFC North and AFC South, meaning he’s nearly three-fourths of the way through the league with just the AFC West and NFC South remaining after he polishes off Green Bay and Minnesota.

What do his findings show? Not only was Garza the best lineman for the Bears last season, he was among the best right guards in football. His numbers are superior to some Pro Bowl guards. Before we jump into the numbers, let’s try to make sense of them.

Joyner’s system, which will be published in Scientific Football 2009 a little later on this summer, is based on what he calls the Point of Attack (or POA). It tracks how often a blocker is at the POA where a running play is directed. We’ll let him describe it:

    "It is not based on the location of the block but rather specifically tracks which blockers were actually at the point of attack. A POA block is considered to be successful (i.e. a POA win) if the blocker created a lane through which the runner could go.

    “If the blocker is beaten at the POA, I segment those losses into five categories: Gap stuff (blocker gets stopped at POA); Defeated block (defender gets past blocker at POA); Pushed into backfield/POA (blocker gets moved into backfield/POA and negatively impacts runner’s progress); Penetration (defender gets past blocker and makes contact with ballcarrier in backfield); Stringout (defender strings run to outside out). The last formula takes into account run penalties. An offensive penalty (i.e. holding, illegal use of hands, etc.) counts as a POA loss and a defensive penalty as a POA win.”

Joyner considers an 80 percent net POA winning percentage to be acceptable. He charts the number of yards gained/lost on each POA run for a lineman. The chart below shows that not only did Garza do well last season, so did Josh Beekman, who will be in competition with Omiyale at left guard.

Lineman POA attempts Yards Avg. POA Pct.

RG Roberto Garza 205 960 4.7 88.3
LG Josh Beekman 175 834 4.8 85.7
RT John Tait 104 443 4.3 84.6
C Olin Kreutz 168 726 4.3 81.5
LT John St. Clair 112 459 4.1 79.5
++++++

st clair and tait were brutal at times and some think anything is an upgrade over the 2

+++++++++++++++++++++++

As for Hester the final month he caught 17 passes for 228 yards not including getting 2 long PI calls where he had to come back to under thrown deep balls against the saints that racked up another 77 yards….

In that same time frame Olsen had 20 catches for 176 yards…..

That seemed to show some improvement in both….Now I dont know if Hester can be a “true #1” but I do think he can catch 70-75 passes…..

I also like how you drum up team effort but throw Cutler under the bus and solely blame him for denvers last 3 losses…..

But hey I am sure you care about this stuff as you are not a Bears fan…..

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garza

I like Garza. Very good RG. John Tait, not so much.

I do think that Cutler lost the last 4 losses (not just the last 3) because of his reckless play. I’ll grant you we had poor defensive efforts. But those defensive efforts would not have been necessary had Cutler not been intercepted as much because he was trying to force the ball. Cutler displayed poor decision making under pressure with the Broncos. Offenses were able to control the clock against our defense because our offense couldn’t stay on the field. I’ll also grant you that our offense play-calling was not as good as it could have been.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simplified

In other words, Cutler was not a team player in those losses.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who did Favre have besides Sharpe for the 90's and early 2000's....

Without looking it up I can honestly only think of a handful, and thats because of Madden. Yes good recievers make QB’s look better (See the Bears Bucs game and how Lloyd bailed KO out many times) but look at it this example. Falcons had Roddy White and Jenkins, both 1st round pics, while Vick was there, neither did anything and where considered busts, but once Ryan comes around, boom, they improve dramatically, coincidence, I don’t think so. As a better pure pocket passer, Ryan made Jenkins and White improve. So yes, it does take two to tango, but it takes a QB that has the ability to get the ball there for a WR to catch it.

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Jul 30, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But as a Bears fan, aren’t you in the least bit concerned about your WRs?

BTW, Lloyd is with Denver this year.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am concered

But optimistic…I’m no homer, and I will wholeheartedly agree we need help, but I want to see what we have…maybe we do have a bunch of nothing…maybe not, we’ll see when the season is over.

Yeah I saw Lloyd went there, have fun with that, talented yes, pain in the a** though, and odds are that he will be benched for insubordination before seasons end. At least Orton has one WR he is used to. I do hope KO does good, I was always a fan of the Neckbeard and his Jack and Coke ways.

(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."

by ThorCo on Aug 2, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tommie Harris has jumped into it..
We’ve had some entertaining banter today with Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco (whom we find to be extremely entertaining and we wish him only the best this year . . . and we mean that even though it sounds sarcastic), and we just realized that Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris has sent us a “tweet,” too.

Regarding the contention by Vikings receiver Bobby Wade that Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher said during the offseason that new Chicago quarterback Jay Cutler is a “pussy,” Harris had this to say: “[Urlacher] didn’t say that u guys are full of it and tell bobby wade will see about that…..”

Heh.

by Allie on Jul 29, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Picks

BTW, You got Cutler and a 4th rounder (I think you traded it in a complex trade with other picks to Seattle and wound up with 5th rounder Johnny Knox and 3rd rounder Jarron Gilbert). Broncos got your 1st this year (18th Ayers), and your 1st next year (we still have that one), Orton, and a 3rd (we traded that for a low 2nd and high 4th round pick = TE Richard Quinn and 4th rnd S David Bruton). We traded OUR next year’s 1st for this year’s high 2nd round pick CB Alphonso Smith in a trade with Seattle.

Bottom line, don’t forget that you sent us 2-1sts and a 3rd PLUS Orton and you got Cutler and a 4th.

by Endzone on Jul 29, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I know that, but…

It has now been seventeen weeks since we got Cutler and a 4th rounder (I think we traded it in a complex trade with other picks to Seattle and wound up with 5th rounder Johnny Knox and 3rd rounder Jarron Gilbert). Broncos got our 1st this year (18th Ayers), and our 1st next year (we still have that one), Orton, and a 3rd (you traded that for a low 2nd and high 4th round pick = TE Richard Quinn and 4th rnd S David Bruton). You traded your next year’s 1st for this year’s high 2nd round pick CB Alphonso Smith in a trade with Seattle.

…didn’t quite have the same ring to it.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depending on the side of the situation that you favor, your opinion will reflect that. No one can tell who has won the trade so far…it is too early to tell. One side may say they won because they got player-the other side may say it won because they got the picks. Both sides are in a holding pattern right now. We’ll be able to get a much clearer vision in about 2-5 years. The first year doesn’t count because they typically go well for one team and bad for the other. The true victory will come if success is sustained-one year wonder seasons occur all the time in the league. You’re both dead even at this point in the race.

Needagoodtime!

by Loveforjoy! on Jul 30, 2009 12:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All I’m saying here is, all over sports networks, last year, it was all about the QB bears position, and how neither QB was really what Chicago “needed”, another year of Mediocre and unanswered QB problems.
So, we addressed it, and now we’re under fire for having a starting QB, because he has some beers… most Chicagoans(sorry to generalize) drink beer. WHO CARES.

and now it’s all about how Cutler will suck because of our receivers… Orton threw for about 3,000 yards, and without injury, most definitely would have, so to think that Cutler won’t at least match that, is nye unbelievable, untolerable, and just plain not smart for anyone to even write down.

Glad you got Orton, we are Happier with JC, and you guys seem happier with KO, worked out for both sides then. like everyone has been saying, it’s been 17 weeks, and this is still going on.

we might as well make the arguement that Orton won’t do well because the air is 40 percent thinner in Denver than Chicago.

Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.

by BearNecessities on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

@Endzone

I said this above, but I wanted to make sure it was actually seen.

About Cutler’s departure: You don’t need a formal promise in order to have a major betrayal.

I think the only people feeding me lies are the jilted lover/psychotic ex-girlfriend types coming out of Denver, trying to rain poop on our parade.

And the Cutler haters from the AFC west.
And the new (jealous) ones in the North.

Yup, there’s a lot of people who have it in for Jay for one reason or another. (it’s amazing the lengths they go to to besmirch him…like I said, the psychotic ex-girlfriend effect).

But it won’t be long before we find out exaclty how much he will REALLY mean to Chicago.
And then I imagine all the bashers who’ve come out of the woodwork will shrink back into silent anonymity.

You can TRY to temper our enthusiasm as Bears fans all you want, but you might as well be throwing a match into the ocean and hoping it evaporates it.
Or p1ssing on the Great Chicago fire in the hopes of extinguishing.

Futility, in other words.

And one last thing—trying to break down the Bears vs. Broncos by grading/analyzing the various parts of the respective teams is just faulty thinking, and shows a poor understanding of football.

A team is ALWAYS more (or less) than the sum of its parts.

You can’t quantify the intangibles and other factors: coaching, confidence, leadership, motivation, injuries, weather, scheduling, etc.

If teams WERE simply the sum of their parts, then Dallas would win the Superbowl every single year (except the years where Daniel Snyder or Al Davis out-bought them).
 
So, please, keep your bitterness and your sour grapes to yourself…

Jay unequivocably gets the benefit of the doubt in this town, until he proves otherwise.

Bear Down.

by Amishbear on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amishbear

1. You need a promise to have a betrayal, formal or not. The Broncos made no promises.
2. I did not flame you, why did you feel the need to accuse me of being a jilted…?
3. You accuse me of being a Cutler hater. I’m not.
4. Again you flame me for breaking down components. If you think that is unfair, then please see just about every site that keeps, analyzes and presents statistics.
5. I completely agree that the team is more important than its parts. And, more importantly, no single player is more important than the team. Intangibles always play a part in a team’s success.
6. Cutler deserves the benefit of the doubt. I’m not asking you to do otherwise. At worst I am only raining on your parade at the invitation of some of WCG’s members.

Amishbear, I’m not bitter. I am just respectfully telling you that you’ve been fed a pack of lies. It’s not important to me to persuade you.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. SOMETHING was the impetus to make Jay demand out. If it was not a betrayal, then what was it? BOREDOM? Let’s also keep in mind this was a team captain, with roots in the community, who loved his teammates, had local charities, and had no history of previous disgruntlements.
Supposing he was a bit thin-skinned about it—and that was the ONLY issue—the onus should have been upon owner/coach to make it right again after the deal fell through. Zorn was able to do it in Washington. And now, presumably, even Chilly’s able to do it with Sage and Tav Jackson. THEY can do it, but broncs management can’t?
Whatever—what’s done is done. Perhaps Jay said it best in saying "both sides could have handled it better). We’ll see who suffers more for the severance, though.

2. Flame? Because I don’t understand the need of Broncos fans to “poop on our parade”—do you find us on Broncos sites advising about the downside of Kyle Orton?
By comparison, hardly.
Then, all the “cautionary” nay-saying about Cutler is supposedly done for OUR best interest, like you’re trying to forewarn us/protect us from Cutler…? Gimme a break.

3. You’re just playing Paul Revere and warning us about what a disaapointment he’ll be though, right?

4. Not unfair, but an inaccurate way to measure one team vs. another. And not just indivudal players, but “components”, like the lines—throwing out these arbitrary, subjective grades to suit an argument is silly, a bit of a house-of-cards.
The game is not played on paper, in the media, or on message boards. Stats tell su what happened, not what will happen. And they’re like scripture—the Devil can quote them to suit his purpose.

5. Agreed. But can a COACH become more important than the team…? Hmmm….

6. Noted.

The truth is, since no one was actually present, neither of us can really know how Cutler’s departure went down. But time will certainly give us a better indication, as we see how other players respond to McDaniels…his character will reveal itself, as will Jay’s.
Like I said above, there’s a lot of people with an axe to grind against Jay, including but not limited to the media smear-campaign that started in Denver and is being perpetuated for sensationlistic purposes by the national media.
After seeing/hearing so much of it, you’ll forgive me if I assume the worst about your agenda, especially when the content of your message equals that of his other detractors, who ARE undeniably rivalling lemons with their bitterness.

It may not be important to persuade me, and yet you try.
Why?
We haven’t had great hope & optimism about a QB in Chicago since September Rex—let us have our moment.
The truth will pan out eventually, right?

by Amishbear on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

Paul Revere? Hardly. Whether he disappoints the Bears or not will play itself out. I hope he does NOT disappoint you.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just Kidding

The fair part of me wants the Bears and Cutler to succeed. The Broncos fan part of me wants the Bears to lose and fail miserably next year so the Broncos will have your high draft pick. Just being honest wit ya! I’m sure as a fan you feel the same about wishing the worst on the Broncos. That’s all good and understandable. The best part though is that we can at least have civil discussions with each other.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No hard feelings against Denver

In fact I’ve still got much love/respect for Orton (does it mean I want him back? HELL NO!)…but I would really love to see him succeed.

But not Bowlen/McDaniels. I wish the worst (well, not like cancer or anything—just the worst in football terms) for those clowns, just because their success would make them smug, and make Jay look like the bad guy. And w/ the media as it is, he doesn’t need help in that area.

Now, trying to imagine situations where those two things can simultaneously happen (Orton succeeds, McDaniels/Bowlen fail) is pretty difficult…but that’s what I’d like.

In all, nothing against you or the Broncs—just defending Jay…or, in the words (sobs) of T.O. :
“That’s my quarterback, man…” sniff

And I’m sure you guys will be able to find some value with your 32nd overall pick via the trade… ;-)

by Amishbear on Jul 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

Well, nothing against you except your Troll-dom, of course…

by Amishbear on Jul 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respect

I’ve been respectful and thoughtful in my discussions in your home. I appreciate the respect many of you have given me.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

I’ve never called any of you disrespectful names (except Gesiakob who posted a troll message over at MHR and was told to chill over there by smudgers) and never had any intent of provoking you. MHR has welcomed many of you to our forum.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You and I

had a discussion yesterday that was respectful and you haven’t been disrespectful to anyone here, you are welcome to continue to contribute like you have been. I think some may be tiring of the same thing over and over.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You Ditkavsworld

Why don’t you come over to MHR and look around? You are welcome.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was over there shortly yesterday

only checked out the one fanpost, but I’ll come back over sometime. Gott say hey to Mike Clark.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When You Do

I highly recommend MHR University. You don’t have a similar series on your site and it is by far the best discussion of football I’ve ever read. Granted that it uses Broncos as illustrations, but the general topics are outstanding. You’ll find it in the left column of MHR’s homepage.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the tip

I’ll have to check it out.

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take one.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Jul 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did a post on Jay's character quiet a while ago....I'll try to find it and post it on your site

I literally get sick at the attacks on Jay at Mile High Report. You guys have to understand that we have really grown the last many months and the negatives of the MSM come in with them until they get unbrainwashed.

Funny, I’m one of the most popular posters at Mile High—-I created “La La Land of Pre-Season Feel Goods” many moons ago as a way to keep things positive…………and yet………

I ended up in a fight in a FanShot of all things..

and the only one on my side was rdent4hof.

LOL—funny world we live in.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a few of us remaining, Mike

The ones who tend look at the Cutler fiasco with an objective eye and say both sides screwed up (management and Cutler), and as a result we can still appreciate Cutler for his contributions and efforts to our ball club in the 3 short years that he was here. I for one think his playing through diabetes and losing 30 pounds during the most intense part of the football season to be pretty admirable.

by tunga77 on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed tunga.........agreed

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have been on your side if I had been there.

Good to see you around here again Mike. :)

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't doubt that for a moment Ditka....

but the Broncos are still my first team……….LOL

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Jul 30, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

I’m not trying to get to you to convert again. Or am I????

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you people dont mind

I’d like to chime in here….
I’m a long time Bronco fan and would like to apologize on behalf of the majority of all Bronco fans for EndZone. You good people probably won’t understand this but EndZone is an addict….. A Kool-Aid addict… Which is a new drug that was introduced into the Great Bronco Nation by Josh McDaniels administered by MHR (main pusher: GURU) a couple of days after… Well the TRADE!! Symptoms are Denial, Delusion, and I see now after reading some of his posts that it has taken on a new symptom…Compulsive lying. We haven’t actually found a cure for this, we’re hoping that simply time will cure….In the mean time, I would just step aside and let him be. These addicts haven’t shown aggression yet but like I said… New symptoms are showing up every day…Good Luck and God Bless…………………………..And Give us Cutler Back!!!please??

by Cut06 on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Nuthin’ doin’ my man… you guys have fun with those lovely first round picks.

by Allie on Jul 30, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Allie

We will.

Don’t misunderstand me. I hope Cutler and your 4th round pick work out well for you as well.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cut06

Speak for yourself. You are obviously a Cutler fan. Very few MHR folks are. Don’t arrogate the pulpit for yourself on behalf of MHR. I speak for myself, no-one else.

How DARE you call me a compulsive liar! You think you’re being cute?

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Guru

Ted Bartlett is a very even-tempered and judicious OWNER of the MHR. How dare you call HIM a liar!

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joined TODAY

You joined MHR today and you make these incredibly libelous claims! Go back to lurking.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honey

take a break.

you’re starting to prove his point.

by Allie on Jul 30, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there Endzone

Put down the Kool-Aid loaded syringe…..and step away from the keyboard….

A quote from you:

“You may not know this, but he "gave up" his right to start as the 2nd QB at the pro bowl because he was hung over from the night before. True! I kid you not! Confirmed by multiple sources. Remember that Peyton Manning threw his diabetes monitor into the pool! HIS DIABETES MONITOR! That’s a pretty important piece of equipment for a diabetic. It’s because Cutler was passed-out drunk at the hotel pool. Didn’t you notice how hang-dog droopy he dragged himself onto the field?”

As part of your first step I would like for you to go to the Google search page and search————cutler peyton pro bowl……..did you come up with umpteen-million results….good…just select the first one…Read it all the way through…..perfect….now we should know that everything you stated is a complete and total LIE!!! For you to tell the story one would think that Jay is this uncontrollable alcoholic whom Peyton Manning despised so much that he would rather have him DEAD!! Instead of just kids having fun Together…See the difference….Perfect!!!

One more thing….If you could please don’t include everyone in Bronco Nation(which believe it or not extends out past the MHR cult that you belong to), you know the: Us Bronco fans believe, we Bronco fans think……..because you and the MHR following Only represents a small portion of the Great BRONCO NATION….

Excellent….. Work on it and we’ll move on to step 2 tomorrow..

   

by Cut06 on Jul 30, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

My mamma used to say don’t toot your own horn. Mike, I like you and your posts. But it is pretty unattractive and arrogant when you say you’re “one of the most popular posters.” Let others say that sort of thing for you.

by Endzone on Jul 30, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike

You are one of the most popular poster. There I said it for him. :)

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Endzone.......LOL

Sometimes when I get into the comment section I don’t ‘review’ what I type.

I was talking about a post I did on Jay Cutler…and it came out wrong.

I didn’t mean to say that I was a popular poster……….It was about the ‘Cutler’ post being one of the most popular during the McJayGate thing.

I humbly apologize.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Aug 1, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Mike, this is a "popular poster"

You sir, are the most popular poster

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Aug 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks smudgers...

….I had to go back and see what I typed………

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Aug 3, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler leadership?

Issue 1: Devin Hester wants Jay Cutler to get in his face and get on players.

“We want that,‘’ Hester said. "That’s what we need. At the end of the day, it’s not about the coaches, it’s about the players. And whenever you get a guy like that that steps up as far as Olin Kreutz, Jay Cutler, Brian Urlacher, those types of guys—they’re the ones that need to be coaching. They’re the key guys and that’s who the players are going to look up to and we’re going to listen to them. At the end of the day we’re out there playing with them. You can’t hear the coaches on the field [during games], so when those guys step up and get on a player, it really helps our team and that’s what bonds the players and brings us to a family, a unit. Whenever you get a quarterback like Jay, when he gets in his groove and then when he starts speaking up and feels a little more confident, that’s when our offense is going to start clicking.’’

Our spin: Makes sense. Cutler is going to be a take charge quarterback and this is a young and inexperienced wide receiving corps that needs the quarterback to grab it by the horns from time to time. It’s good to hear Hester saying this.

"There is no such thing as good or evil....Only power and those to weak to seek it....."

- Jerry Angelo

by CloudyFuture on Jul 31, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thought on all of this

this all seems to remind me of the difference between a fart and droppin a duece in your pants.
a fart simply smells for a bit and goes away much like this story should have. the duece on the other hand is lumpy and the smell of it just wont go away. kinda like the smell coming out of denver over the story.
i for one think that denver fan needs to go check his tidy whities for lumps, drop them in the stool, flush them and forget about it. all the complaining in the world wont solve the things talked about in the past. he isnt your problem any more he is ours and we will gladly take him.

the best things in life will either get you drunk, make you fat or get her pregnent

by memountanddewu on Aug 2, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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