Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Bills Edition
The Chicago Bears traded for Jay Cutler four months and two weeks ago. For the last 18 weeks, fans have held their breath in anticipation of getting to see him officially take the field, and expectations have been seemingly building and building with the passing of each day.
The game against the Bills was, if anything, a reality check for us fans. While we have allowed for ideas to grow wildly in our heads and imaginations, we got to witness things for exactly what they are- new.
Take a moment to think about the number of players on our starting (or contributing) offense that have never played before as Bears teammates. You'll come up with quite a lot of names. That means that a large majority of our offensive players have never played together, and are learning a new scheme, getting their timing down, learning what works and what doesn't work... in other words, jelling.
Regardless of what our expectations were of Jay Cutler in preseason game #1, we have to take into consideration all of the newness that he (and the rest of the offense) just experienced together. But, no worries. We've got plenty of time to knock off the rust and get everyone on the same page.
And honestly, the same can be said of our defensive secondary. We have had injuries, as well as people swapping positions, and tonight we saw what seemed like 10 different looks at those positions. Again, no worries. This game was as much about evaluating our personnel as it was anything.
Now, on to the purpose of this post. Here are some random things I saw during the Bills game:
- Kevin Jones runs hard. He keep his legs churning, and looked very aggressive when he had the ball in his hands. He will be a huge asset this season.
- Orlando Pace was only on the field for (I think) the first 2 offensive series. He had very nice footwork, but did get thrown off balance on a couple of pass plays.
- Kevin Shaffer replaced Pace on the 3rd series, and did not look very polished. He seemed to lumber around quite a bit, and seemed a bit wild. Got pushed around some, and got beat by speed rush.
- Chris Williams looked solid. He showed great technique... I was very excited to see such good production from him.
- Devin Hester ran several really good routes. Looked very crisp several times.
- Garrett Wolfe ran hard. He was definitely showing some heart out there. Ran hard between the tackles, and shook off a couple of big hits from linebackers.
- Jason Davis made some very good lead blocks from the fullback position. He exploded once the ball was snapped, quickly picking up momentum.
- Kellen Davis looked strong after the catch.
- Trumaine McBride was aggressive. Made some big hits, missed a tackle early due to not wrapping up, but seemed to bounce back from that. Played at a fast pace.
- Brian Urlacher looked fast. Had great movement.
- Our right defensive ends consistently fired off the ball with enormous speed. For most of the night, seemed to over-pursue. In the backfield a lot, but seemed to be too fast at times, taking themselves out of the play.
- Al Afalava plays hard. Missed a couple of tackles due to aggressiveness, but made several plays as well. Good special teams play.
- Johnny Knox and Juaquin Iglesias both looked unpolished.
- Cutler looked to Brandon Rideau in the endzone, but the play was called off due to a time out.
- Alex Brown showed a good bull rush.
- Woodny Turenne looked good. Fumble recovery in the first half, and was a good tackler (kept the ball carrier in front of him).
A lot of us had big expectations from our pass rush. The best way for an offense to counter a pass rushing scheme is to keep them on their toes. The Bills no-huddle offense did just that. They wore down our defensive front, nullifying any sort of schematics that we might have had. Rod Marinelli should not have that issue too much in the regular season.
For those who didn't see the Bills first preseason game, they definitely had the luxury of having a game under their belts heading into the Bears game. Their two rookie offensive linemen, Andy Levitre and Eric Wood, looked exponentially better this week. This shows the importance of getting the repetitions in the preseason.
Not to look too far into the future (as we have plenty more analysis from this week's game coming), but this first preseason game was a great opportunity to get our snaps in, learn how to apply all of the offseason schemes that we implemented, and get better. I don't think the game against the Bills should change too much of our outlooks on the 2009 season.
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you could tell
the Bills were in game 2 and the Bears in game 1, the Bills looked a bit crisper in all aspects of the game. I noticed the Bears were very basic in their defense play calling. They did a few blitzes, but for the most part kept it simple, content with containing the Bills receivers. Briggs and Urlacher looked to be playing pretty fast out there.
How about Gould hitting from 50, piece of cake…
All in all the 1st practice game was good.
by wiltfongjr on Aug 16, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick hits
Shaffer got burned really bad playing RT with the 2nd string, on the play that caused Hanie’s lost fumble.
Turenne (dreadlock boy) helped his cause with a pass breakup in the corner of the endzone and a fumble recovery.
Kellen Davis is moving ahead of Michael Gaines, who was brought in to compete with him for the 3rd TE spot. I’d find it odd if they kept 4. Davis is such a HUGE athletic target… would love to see him make the team again.
Basanez, as I suspected the day we signed him, is junk. Just go with 2 QBs for the regular season. It might be better for Hanie’s development anyway, except he’ll have to run the scout team for game prep.
We let them complete 85% of their passes. God damn horrendous…. I don’t care who’s on the field. That’s awful.
Afalava will be starting on opening day. Mark it down.
Find a way to keep Will Ta’ufo’ou. He’s a good football player.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schaffer looked really bad at RT
The DEs were just blowing by him anytime we tried to pass. It was a huge contrast to how solid Williams looked at RT to start the game. Hanie did a pretty good job handling the pressure the Bills were getting IMO. Basanez may have played himself out of a job, might be worth seeing who Tampa bay cuts as training camp progresses. Cutler looked rough, but having Olsen and Forte out there should help.
Anyone else notice that we started working on screen plays as soon as Cutler came out? I bet there are a lot of QB rollouts and other move the pocket plays that we won’t see in preseason unless the backups are in.
Our D-line needs to step up and start getting in the QB’s face or this will be a long season. Alex Brown was the only one who I saw get any kind of pass rush. They looked great against the run but that just reminds me too much of last year.
by Aeacus_ on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Williams looked good.
And I thought Mark Anderson looked all right out there.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 16, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
for getting absolutely toasted like a rookie on that 4th down QB bootleg.
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by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
that made me chuclke…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 18, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SackMan
I was out on my friends boat for the air and water show.
I didn’t get to watch the game but how did Beekman look?
and how about Hanie?
by bears rock on Aug 16, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the 1st string, so I couldn't tell ya
Was driving back from the Wisc State Fair.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Afalava will be starting on opening day. Mark it down.
I marked it, and I hope you are right.
I was hearing about Afalava from OSU fans up here after we drafted him, and everyone said the same thing: he plays hard, and has NFL talent written all over him.
ChiFan13 didn’t like the Bears drafting Afalava, I think he said something along the lines of having a “huge problem” with the Bears taking him… I wonder how many folks felt that way at first, and are now changing their minds. Afalava looked like the real deal last night.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Afalava is our new Chris Harris
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have alot of the same similarities
by bears rock on Aug 16, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have alot of the same similarities.*
by bears rock on Aug 16, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same similarities?
Thats an awful lot of sameness..
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redundancy reiterated.
Yet again. :)
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Aug 16, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it wasn't Shaffer
on the play that Hanie fumbled. Cody Balogh was beaten badly, but Shaffer had his man locked up nicely. The play before the fumble, it was Shaffers man but not on the fumble.
by sheepskinz1 on Aug 16, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Balogh in then?
I know it was the RT, but since Balogh is 79 and Shaffer is 79, I could have mistaken who was in that series. Those were consecutive plays though, did they really sub in a new RT inbetween? I wish I had the game recorded :-(
by Aeacus_ on Aug 16, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
Makes me feel better about Schaffer. I just took a look at the highlights on here to confirm.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh... and one more
Henry Melton, returning a kickoff. Awesome.
Get this guy in the backfield on short yardage.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D...
…looked pretty soft overall. Hope things get tightened up here PDQ…
by Merlin Scott on Aug 16, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mostly right on Geaux, but...
Woody Turenne can not cover at all.
I still maintain that Wolfe is simply too small; no amount of heart (of which he has a ton!) can change that. He cannot break tackles, thus his short and speedy thing never gets him very far. If they would get him on reverses and sweeps, he might have a chance, but too many D-linemen can run him down and he cannot break CB tackles.
Knox looked more polished than Iglesias. I just do not see the effort/intensity from Iglesias.
Omiyale looked worse then Shaffer; he’d better step it up or he might be an expensive bench anchor.
Gaines has been working on pass catching with Rasheid Davis. I think Jason Davis gets Gaines spot on the 53-man. Kellen Davis has much better upside.
And last, Steltz was too often out of position. He needs to stay at SS, he simply cannot cover enough ground to be a FS. This means that he is 3 or 4 on a team rife with SS talent. Sorry Geaux!
All in all I think the Bears have the pieces in the puzzle box. They need to start assembling them and get some freakin’ continuity.
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by LostInSTL on Aug 16, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turenne made a lot of plays,
but was that because his guy kept making catches?
by wiltfongjr on Aug 16, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In today's Tribune, Dan Pompei (who I normally really like) has Johnny Knox as one of the 3 players who
“hurt themselves”. I understand he juggled the one pass that went for an interception, but outside of that I thought he played very well. He not only runs fast, he plays fast and is exciting to watch. I was, on the other hand, disappointed in Iglesias. He seemed to be running three quarter speed and often was trailing plays and watching like a kid during a Pop Warner game rather than running to the ball to see if he could block or be around if the ball was fumbled, etc.
by BearFan611 on Aug 16, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I thought the Knox comment was goofy. To me he looked really natural and comfortable out there. He had some run after catch, and a good return. He seemed aggressive. Also the Bills corners were playing 12 yards off him. Ought to be able to fire a quick lateral pass out to him after the snap and see how far he can go.
Iglesias had a good return, but we’ve got returners out the ying yang on this team.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much emphasis on Cutler's performance
Yeah, what an insightful and obvious comment! But I really wish Jay would just shut up for awhile until he gets more into synch with his offense. He camethisclose to throwing Hester under the bus on the INT (and Hester still looked open to these eyes). Yo, my man, Jay – you need this guy more than anyone in order to succeed this year, do not go there in the future.
by Waylon on Aug 16, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How I took the Hester comments
Cutler and the Bears OC was definitely trying to test their offense under game speed and pressure; putting guy in certain positions and see do’s & don’ts. Cutler toss to Hester let him know more about what Hester can & can’t do. He’s not polished enough to make tough catches like how Cutler described. Jay now knows for Hester, he has to lay it out, slant, or comeback. That’s what Cutler has to know about his WR. What they are good at and preseason gives him that chance to do it. On YouTube I saw a few tough catches made by Denver Marshall and Vandy Bennett that describes what Cutler was looking for out of Hester. A QB has to know what his WR will do in those situations.
by Soloistic on Aug 17, 2009 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I saw some thing I liked
I saw some things I didn’t like. However, I think we’ll go back and get better from here on out. Also I hope this is preseason for Cutler talking to the media because everyone (me included) is going to scrutinize his Hester comment for the next few days. I didn’t like it when I read it but from what I heard everyone’s blowing it out of proportion. Hopefully they can move on and they’ll be no hard feelings. IMO Cutler needed to take the blame for it as most all great QBs do, regardless of who is really at fault just to be a good teammate.
by GallopingGhost on Aug 16, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're Both Right
Devin was behind the corner and Cutler underthrew him. Lousy pass. On the other hand, one of the half-time analysts noted that Hester “lacked the instincts of a receiver” in not going back to break up the interception.
I’m hoping what Cutler meant was “It’s ok to overthrow Devin, but not to underthrow him.” That makes sense to me.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 16, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rbs
i am looking foreward to seeing kevin jones again against the giants
by stepeo on Aug 16, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a problem with this.
- Devin Hester ran several really good routes. Looked very crisp several times.
I disagree Hester still needs a lot of work. He also needs to become a defensive back when the ball is under thrown. Now not all of it was his fault but he did make some mistakes. He just still has a lot to learn IMO. He seemed to stop on one route when he was wide open and once in the end zone he kinda slowed down. He needs to be more aggressive when the ball is a toss up. Maybe watching tape of Steve Smith would help him.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 16, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish we would sign marvin
To help mold some of our WRs. I don’t think he’ll be the #1 by the end of the season
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me either.
I want to see what the rest can or can’t do. but cutler seemed to have a one track mind last night.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
hopefully that gets better over the next few weeks.
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say put him back as the returner
get marvin and lets roll. he’s old and slower but he can maybe do what moose did. Our WRs seemed to get better once he got there.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think marvin is done
that knee injury at 34 with a LOT of miles… learning a new QB and and new system… and we’d need him to play on more than just the right side.
d-o-n-e.
personally, the last thing we’d need is another new guy. a completely shuffled o-line, new quarterback, lots of young recievers… thats too much new as it is.
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i understand that.
I meant more of a teacher than a player.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've got coaches
gelling is going to take time for the guys, especially the line.
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Just saying, moose seemed to help berrian break out. I think that players that have done it help more than coaches sometimes. Thats just what i think. And i’m not arguing that they still need time to gel
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes
:-)
i’m just not sold on harrison being the answer to that question, i didn’t mean to dismiss your idea of a veteran helping. i just don’t see it happening at this point in the offseason, you know?
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
either do i
Its on my wish list. just cause he is the best vet out there that doesn’t have legal issues or some other crap going on. I think i just hate the idea of a return man as number 1. Shoot i’d be happier if they moved olsen to a WR I think he would be a better #1. Clark as #1 TE doesn’t upset me at all.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot...
marvin does have legal issues… now it’s being claimed that he “allegedly” shot 3 people… or 3 people got shot with his gun… whatever
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 17, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right.
I forget about that cause they always talk about plax and vick. thanks for the correction wendy
by njddgd on Aug 17, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only so many times
i’m gonna let you get away with that…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 17, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
So what was ur fav player in the game? Mine is easy al. Our defense looked alot faster this year. Just hope that;s not our defensive play calling this year.
by njddgd on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not an "EH"!!!
i’m a guy and you keep calling me “wendy”… it’s getting old… but to answer your question, that’s easy… olsen. imagine him outside with the 2 TE set of dez and davis… davis doesn’t like to block anyways, so it makes sense, to me, to have another HUGE target catching the ball.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 17, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just do that cause you always
Correct me. But at least we do agree on somethings.
by njddgd on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a great idea...
calling me a girl’s name so i’ll just end up not responding to you, ever?!?! i guess that’s one way to keep me from correcting you…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 18, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think
Would be a better number 1 WR olsen or hester?.
by njddgd on Aug 17, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most receivers
Maybe watching tape of Steve Smith would help him.
You can say that about most WRs.
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by propheteer on Aug 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hester did run several very crisp routes...
But of course he still needs work. The two things aren’t mutually exclusive…
But you are right, he does need to be more aggressive. He’s got 3 more practice games to improve, but will it be enough?
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by Dane Noble on Aug 16, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it...
I wouldn’t be worried if he wasn’t the number one receiver. But having two good tight ends and a good receiving running back can somewhat help take pressure off him. Really I consider Olsen the number one receiver.
Is it a bad sign when Davis looked like the best wideout?
I don’t mean to go over board on critiquing Hester I’m sure he can improve before the season but you can tell how raw he is…. and you know I haven’t been impressed with his yards after the catch which is one of the reasons they wanted to put him at wideout. I guess we’ll see though.. I’m sure he knows what he has to do after last night. Really he’s a number 3 at best. If he had two solid wideouts around him I think he could be dangerous. But I going on a limb and going to say Olsen will be Cutler’s goto guy.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right.
And we’ve seen a couple of teams in the recent past that were able to have offensive success with a TE as the #1 receiver… maybe our WRs (whoever they are) end up playing second fiddle this season.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 16, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly....
We should expect Rashied Davis to step up. There’s no debating that he had a horrible season last year, but I was actually really high on him before that. He’s shown the ability to make plays in the past and I expect him to step up. Well, at least I hope he steps up and game 1 of the preseason seems to indicate he’s ready.
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
by topdoggkyle on Aug 16, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you..
Devin Hester has God-given gifts – probably more than Steve Smith. If he combines that with technique, doesn’t rest on his laurels, he could be ridiculous for something besides returning kicks. I hope he recognizes this, because he could be very special.
by DisCUBbobulated on Aug 16, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st half
I only watched the first half of the game, but was disappointed in the way the offense looked. From my perspective it seemed like the same old Bears offense. Throwing the ball into tight spaces, running the ball right up the gut or a basic predictable toss to the outside. Where’s the creativity in the middle of the field? I realize Olsen, Forte, and other essential Bears were not on the field, but where was Rideau last night? Typically, a standout training camp performer doesn’t mean anything. There’s a ton of work to be done at WR, and hopefully a veteran is brought in very soon. Why isn’t Matt Jones on a plane to Halas Hall immediately?! It’s more than obvious that Cutler needs an established target heading into the season. Defenses will key on Olsen and Forte all year long like last season, and Hester isn’t quite the force he needs to be to help offset this strategy.
On the defensive side, it was more of the same. If the Bears DEs can’t beat inexperienced OTs what’s going to happen when they go up against the best in the league? The middle of the field looks to be wide open as usual in pass-coverage (why is Steltz on the field?) The LBs feigning blitz at the LOS….it only worked for one game last season, and won’t fool any offense this season. The slant killed us then, and will kill us now! On a positive note, Alex Brown looked sharp along with Urlacher and Briggs. Alfalava looks to be a player, and I was fairly impressed with McBride’s aggressive play in tackling the ballcarrier.
With all that said, I’m a bit subdued from this game cause it seemed like nothing new was learned from our personnel. It’s only one preseason game, so hopefully things come together and not everything is so “vanilla” when we head up the road to Lambeau.
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by propheteer on Aug 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how many snaps he played...
but Rideau got at least one good look that I believed was nullified by a penalty. He’s still in the mix
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
by topdoggkyle on Aug 16, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much change should we expect?
After all, Ron Turner is still in charge. I sure hope I’m wrong, but I’m not expecting anything new from the O so long as he is there.
by SC Dave on Aug 16, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hester 1,2, or 3
I think devin hester is a 3rd wide out at best. He showed me nothing in this first game and i would welcome donte stallworth or joshua cribbs over devin at half the price. He hung cutler out to dry on that pic. Ask yourself how many times has cutler thrown that same pass in the same situation and one of the bronco receivers hauled it in. Devin needs to act like that ball is his when its in the air.
P.S. how many receivers do we have that you could say is pound for pound stronger than the average DB or S my guess is none. Cutler needs a jump ball receiver
by WavyGravy on Aug 16, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hester is not that kind of WR
that pic was a culmination of different things. the pocket collapsing, Cutler throwing it up for grabs and nobody in the flats. Cutler should’ve just taken the sack if he could not get out of the pocket to throw it out of play. That was very Grossman-esque of him.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 16, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Or if he didn’t want a sack he should have bombed it long. Hester might have run under it. Devin is clearly not a “jump ball” type receiver. (But Olson is). If that disqualifies him from being a number 1, so be it. But it was stupid of Cutler to throw a lob to Hester.
Everyone agrees the Bears could use a quality “big” receiver. But you just simply can’t get everything at once. Cutler will be here for awhile. We’ll get the big receiver.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 16, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if he didn’t want a sack he should have bombed it long.
I don’t think he had enough time to set his feet to go long. still, the Bills were more prepared than the Bears, but I still didn’t like what I saw out there from that line. As far as defense was concerned, even with a good pass rush, Edwards completed all of his passes. the secondary needs play closer to line, because alot of those passes were dink and dunks, which seems to be the counter for the Cover-2
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by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 16, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slow ur your role people
First preseason game. You can tell turner was calling plays to see what cutler and hester can and can’t do. He also was calling plays to see how jones and wolf can do up the middle. Don’t asume this will be the same play calling he will do during the season, but do expect it during the next few preseason games. I think turner is going to surprise us with some good offensive play callying this year. You just wait and see my little buddies!
by 6to23 on Aug 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i didn't mind the play calling its preseason
I didn’t like the grossman throws.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TE's
I wish Kellen Davis would use his size to be a better blocker. We have a bevy of pass catching TE’s but none that block and help us convert a 3rd and one. I think Gaines sticks instead of Davis just for blocking..
by tfrabotta on Aug 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dez is a really good blocker
and Olsen isn’t as awful as he used to be (although, he still isn’t very good).
by Allie on Aug 16, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of them are awful
Dez does his best but doesn’t have then strength or size to be effective in short yardage. This is where we miss John Gilmore..
by tfrabotta on Aug 16, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our defense
depending on the play calling looks ok. will be alot better when tillman and bowman get back.
by njddgd on Aug 16, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Jay Cutler looked like Rex Grossman, if Grossman were a few inches taller and wearing No. 6. That was an awful, awful trade that will hurt us for a long, long time. Cutler is a terrible decision maker and is a mediocre quarterback. He is not a franchise quarterback and I’m not convinced that we upgraded that much from Orton. Cutler has more ability than Orton, but Orton new the system and had the respect of this team. I think that while yesterday was just a snapshot in a meaningless game it is a pretty good indication of what Cutler is going to bring to (and take off) the table.
(PS – Please no one try to tell me that he’s a “franchise” and “Pro Bowl” quarterback. There’s only a half-dozen of those guys in the league. And he ain’t one of them.)
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Lol.
I hope the rest of your “predictions” are better than your analysis of Cutler. All of that off of his first preseason game in a Bears uniform?
You are laughable.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 16, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope I'm wrong
Been a Bears fan for almost a quarter-century. As big a diehard as anyone in here, yourself included. And I truly hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think that I am. First, you can’t tell me that wasn’t an absolutely atrocious trade. There might only be a couple guys (and their names are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning) that are worth two first round picks, a starting QB, and other compensation. Cutler is 100 percent not worth it. Second, I just don’t think he’s that good. He is reckless, I don’t like his attitude at all on or off the field (how about trying to blame Hester for the INT; Is he kidding me?), and the bottom line is that the guy has never, ever won anything at the college or pro level. He is a loser. He is constantly playing for losing teams. Is that a coincidence? In terms of physical ability, Cutler is “more” of a quarterback than someone like Eli Manning (and I have been a pretty solid Eli-basher). But Manning somehow always manages to win games no matter where he is. Big Ben. Matt Ryan. Etc. Those are guys that are just winners. Cutler is not one of them.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 16, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And as far as his “Pro Bowl”, I got news for you: he isn’t playing the Chiefs and Raiders four times a year any more.
Cutler played nine games against teams with defenses ranked No. 23 or worse and 12 of his games were against defenses in the lower half of the league rankings. Nine of his games were against pass defenses ranked No. 21 or worse. He played two Top 10 defenses – Tampa Bay and New England – and in those games he went 1-1 with an average of about 200 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. His last six games of the season – 6 TD and 7 INTs. Oh, and his teams’ record was 2-4. (Let’s not forget that 49.8 QB rating in a 21-point loss AT HOME to Oakland.) Yeah, that’s the stuff legends are made of. He played five games against playoff teams (and a sixth against the Pats, who are the Pats). He was 2-4 in those games (should have been 1-5 if not for a gift call against San Diego) with losses by 31, 20, and 31.
Also, let’s not pretend he’s going to be working with anything near the same weapons here as he had with Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Scheffler, et al. Yeah, he made the Pro Bowl last year. Big deal. Zach Duke made the MLB All Star team this year, does that mean that he doesn’t suck? Cutler made the Pro Bowl over Big Ben. Does that mean that he’s better than him? Really? How about Philip Rivers? Is Cutler better than Philip Rivers? By your rationale he is because he made the Pro Bowl over him. Would that be a serious statement? Just compare their numbers last year. Seriously, take a look. Not even in the same stratosphere. Cutler made the Pro Bowl because Tom Brady was hurt and Ben/Rivers didn’t get in for some reason. That’s it. But let’s not pretend he’s in the same class as those guys. And if he hadn’t fluked his way into the Pro Bowl (Kerry Collins also played much better at QB last year than Cutler) then you wouldn’t have that one piece of ammunition to throw back in the face of reality concerning Cutler’s aspiring mediocrity. ("Well, he made the Pro Bowl. So there!")
Again, I’m not a hater. I just don’t think he’s that good and I think he is going to be amazingly frustrating. Not as bad as Rex (that was hyperbole) but he’s cut from the same cloth (dazzle you with one great throw for every three, or 12, ill-advised tosses).
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 16, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your gaudy claim is a preemptive fail
One preseason game, while most of the Bears skill position players are absent is enough for you to come to this conclusion. You must be the reincarnation of Nostradamus.
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by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buddy
It’s not one preseason game. It’s not as if I’ve never seen the guy play. It’s not as if he has been locked in a cage for the last six years and this is the first time we’ve seen him play football. I’m going on thousands of plays, dozens of games, a variety of situations. It isn’t guesswork and it’s not rocket science. This is how I make my living. Just offering a different view.
PS, Gaeux, “attack the comment, not the commentor”, eh?
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
So as an up and coming, young QB there’s no room to grow? What would critics like you say if he had a defense like the Vikes, or Steelers, or Ravens? The guy would have a rediculous record as a starter. Why does everyone want to give a reach-around to Big Ben when he won a SB with a 26 rating? It was clear as day that he was luck to win one, let alone two SBs. Put him on the Broncos last year and they don’t win 5 games. Look up the stats pal.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
If that’s really what you think then this isn’t going to go anywhere. Sure, there’s room to grow. But Cutler’s ceiling is Kerry Collins, who really came back strong last year to resuscitate the career. But that’s who Jay Cutler is – Kerry Collins. If you’re cool with that, OK. He’s had ups and dons but has played in a Super Bowl. But this isn’t fantasy football. I’m talking about the real thing. And in real football, Jay Cutler will never be Ben Roethlisberger. Or Rivers. Or Brady. Or Manning. Or McNabb. Or 10 other guys that I’d rather have over Cutler. So quit with the “he’s one of the best in the game” nonsense.
(PS – Big Ben was “lucky”? Really? First Super Bowl win I can barely see what you’re saying (though his record as an NFL starter was about 27-6 at the time). But last year’s game was “lucky”. That last drive was “lucky”? Interesting opinion. And I’ll take that kind of luck any day.)
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
His dominanting defense, arguably one of the best of all-time had nothing to do with it. The first one was definitely lucky, but last year’s as much. I was trying to make a comparision based on QB rating and overall effectiveness as a starter. Their ratings are very similar, while Cutler having to throw like 30% more often. Manning’s claim to fame is a ball thrown off his back foot, reminiscent of a duck being shot in the air but still being able to fly somehow.
The fact is you’re just guessing on what Cutler’s ceiling is or will be. No one, including you don’t have a clue on what he can or cannot do in the future. Have you been a NFL scout? How about a QB coach?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're just another troll in a long line of them
I can see that by how many posts you’ve made to a bunch of different team’s sites, and by listing no affiliations whatsoever. Stirring the pot of hate.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole
Convo is wack… the fact that you say Jay Cutler is the same quality QB as Kerry Collins is ridiculous. His Ceiling is Collins? Morrissey sounds inteligent next to this.
epsecially since you’ve said that you have seen this kid play. Maybe his ceiling isn’t Tom Brady, but it sure as hell is stories taller than Collins.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God
you are not in charge of our scouting department. Kerry Collins really?? Jay Cutler already is Rivers, your analysis is off and your negativity is brimming. Does he have faults? of course, the same as any young quarterback growing up in this league. Will he learn from them, yes. All I know is this we gave up an average QB who had hit his ceiling, Robert Ayers and a 2nd rd cb, got a 5th pick back (Knox?) for a guy with superstar talent. I would make that deal again in a heartbeat because I was never going to the dance with KO leading my team. Guess who the only team that came away in this deal with a guy with superstar potential that is what decides winners in this league. Hop back over to MHR and whine with them. You are just like that Rocko1 guy over there who “pretends” to be a bears fan and speaks for the rest of us.
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let's go point by point
- You can’t say the trade is outrageous, because there’s nothing to compare it to. Most people consider Cutler to be a very talented young QB, so two first rond picks is not that much. Teams use two first round picks to trade up and draft a qb that they covet, and that’s without them taking a single snap in an NFL game. And as far as throwing in a “starting qb” Orton is only a starter on a couple teams in this league.
- He has never won at the pro level because the Broncos have an awful, awful defense, and they went through about 47 running backs last year. Oh, and lets not forget he’s only been a starter for two full seasons. He didn’t win in college because he went to Vandy, and Vandy sucks as a football school.
- Eli Manning doesn’t “manage to win games.” Eli somtimes manages to not screw it up while his top notch running game and defense win games. Oh yeah, and he had Plax to throw to and bail his ass out.
- No, he’s not playing the Chiefs and Raiders anymore. He is however playing the Lions, and the Raiders had a very solid secondary (including one of the top cb’s in the league who’s name I will not attempt to spell). It was their running d that was suspect, and as I mentioned Denver was practically pulling people off the street to suit up at tailback.
- A teams record does not always reflect a player’s abilities. No need to argue that point. Zach Duke is actually a decent comparison, as he’s a solid starter who has a shit team around him. He’s got a couple solid young guys, but not enough to make the team a contender.
- I think Cutler has the potential to be much, much better than Kerry Collins. However, even if that’s the best he becomes, that’s still three times better than anything we’ve had for years.
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by JerBear50 on Aug 17, 2009 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
For ignoring the substantive (i.e. statistically based) portion of the post. Tell you what, line up Cutler’s numbers from last year up against Chad Pennington’s, Philip Rivers’ and Matt Cassel’s and tell me that Cutler was the second or third best quarterback in the AFC last year.
And that is my whole point – if Cutler hadn’t gone to the Pro Bowl (and I contest that he shouldn’t have) you guys would have next to nothing to hang this total, unshakeable faith with some guy that most of you have probably only watched the highlights of. But he made the Pro Bowl, so that’s OK.
And try this – if we don’t blow the games in Atlanta and against New Orleans last year (thanks again, Lovie) we’re an 11-5 team. If an 11-5 playoff team sold the farm to bring in a quarterback from an 8-8 team would you still feel this way about Cutler?
You guys go ahead and make excuses and pledge your blind allegiance to Jay Cutler. I’m sure most of you were defending Grossman to the death as well. I’m skeptical. I’ve seen enough to know what this kid is about. (Notice how I haven’t even really discussed his terrible off-field persona.) And as far as the Collins = Cutler, that’s my opinion. (Collins went to a Pro Bowl in his second year as a starter as well.)
More stats for you (again, don’t let it get in the way of your blind faith): Through 37 starts, Jay Cutler has 24 fumbles and 37 INTs. That’s 61 TO’s in 37 games. Rex Grossman: 36 starts, 54 turnovers (35 INT, 19 fumbles). That’s right: we picked up a guy that’s even more of a turnover machine than Rex Grossman.
And I put my money where my mouth is, buddy. And I make a killing off the ignorance of people who think they know anything about sports. If it weren’t for guys like you I’d have to get a real job, so thanks. Keep it coming.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen
the arguement for Atlanta is moot… because if Orton and the offense would have scored on a different drive, then we would have won the games as well, something Cutler should be able to do for us, instead of sputtering out.
Last i recall, we won against New Orleans last year.
Grossman also has 19 less TDs than Cutler.
I personally, could care less that Cutler was voted in to the pro bowl. he’s a solid first round draft pick, arguably would have went 1st overall in this years draft if he was a rookie. Has shown the ability to extend plays a la Rothlisberger, and can laser a ball 30-40 yards without breaking sweat, not to mention the running game he opens up for Forte… Cutler isn’t worth a couple 1st rounders, or isn’t better than Cassel/Pennington?
remember in 05, when Orton “won” 11 games for us, we were still clamoring for a QB then, and not all of us were high on Rex then either.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apologies
Meant Tampa Bay, not New Orleans.
And I suppose we will see. I merely espoused my view that this guy is not a “franchise quarterback”. As in, a perennial Pro Bowler and exceptional signal caller. And apparently because I dared question Cutler’s total and complete supremacy I’m the a-hole. (Even though the bitching and nonsense I’ve heard in response is pure Around The Horn-generation sports arguments, I’m the one who gets hit with the Mariotti tag. Priceless.)
Can he help us win? Jury is out. I hope so. But I’m not just a blind cheerleader because we’re desperate for a guy that can complete some passes. I liked Orton. Thought he was a good fit and coming into his own. I thought we gave up way, way too much to get Cutler (and looking at othe recent trades, in which Pro Bowl-caliber players were being dealt for 2nd and 4th rounders, I’m right) and I’m not 100 percent sure that we’ve solved our QB “problems”. Right now we even have more issues than our QB. And my singular point was that A) Cutler’s not a franchise guy, and B) don’t say “He’s a Pro Bowler” like that’s going to trump any warranted criticism of his play.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jury is out for sure
but it’s on if he was worth it, too. what if we win 2 superbowls, was he worth it, in retrospect? We won’t know how good or bad Cutler is, out of the gate like this, but for so many people to already be bashing, and making up their minds about him, is about as smart as all these people thinking he’s the second coming.
A. nobody, not you, not me, knows if Cutler is a “franchise” guy.
B. i dont, but i agree with you.
I was also a fan of Orton, but seriously, Cutler is way more of a threat behind center than Orton. come on now.
He doesnt need to connect with Hester for a TD every throw, or throw no INT’s all season long, or throw 4,500 yards. He needs to win games, and that won’t be seen until September, and then every week after that.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I'm getting curious.
I’m enjoying reading your Cutler thoughts. I don’t necessarily agree 100% but you make one of the most compelling arguments I’ve heard in a while. Very well thought out and statistically backed. So, my question is, what do you make of our defense going into this season?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much to add on top of what everyone else has said
Our secondary is a wreck. Just a lot of poor decisions have been made on that front and they are really going to cost us.
But the thing is that we can get away from mediocre (if we can even get that) play if we go back to dominating up front. And we haven’t done that over the last two year. Tommie Harris’ play is obviously very important. But I actually don’t think he’s our most important D-lineman. I think Dusty Dvoracek is our most important defensive lineman. We are a completely different unit when he is healthy and playing because he is a god damn savage beast. Thing is, he is never healthy. Anthony Adams is an acceptable rotation guy but he isn’t an NFL starter. At least not on a Top 10 defense.
Our best defenses we had Ian Scott/Alfonso Boone – two big ol’ bears – in the middle clogging things up and taking on multiple blockers, or when we had Mt. Washington/Tractor Traylor just absolutely maiming people up front. That let Harris (et. all with Washington’s team) and Urlacher do their thing. It all starts up front. And the last two years our terrible defensive tackle play has been what has crippled this defense. Lovie (and Marinelli) are obsessed with the “smaller, faster” DT’s. I hate that. Absolutely hate it. A lot of the best defenses – Baltimore, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, New England, Tennessee – have something in common: dominating big men in the middle (among other things).
Perfect example is the Giants defense. They have been one of the best in the league over the last two years. The two years before that they were pathetic. The biggest difference: healthy DT’s. In 2006 their DT’s got hurt early and the rest of the machine fell apart. Last two years, Barry Coefield and Fred Robbins have been exceptional. And when you have those rocks in the middle that lets everyone else do what they do.
We need those rocks. And until we get healthy, productive, large DT’s doing their thing we’re going to be forced to keep watching this defense deteriorate.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Dvoracek??
He is fortunate that he doesn’t get cut this year. Very limited athletically and his production (when healthy) is poor. He is worse than Adams and is no better than a breather guy. I had high hopes for him and thought he was a steal but he is just not that good. The rotation is going to be adams, Harris, Harrison, and Gilbert.
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't agree less
Dvoracek is active, he’s disruptive, his motor is always going. Harrison? Gilbert? Those guys are bums. If they are our key guys next to Tommie we are in serious trouble.
Dusty finished 11 games last year. he started a 12th, but got hurt early at Minnesota. If you kick out the first Minnesota game (that bizarre 48-41 affair) then with Dusty our defense gave up an average of 17.5 points per game in 11 games. In the five games he didn’t finish/play we gave up an average of 23.2 points. That’s not an accident.
Here’s how we were against the run with/without him:
With Dusty: 11 games, 280 attempts, 879 yards (that 3.13 yards per carry would have been No. 1 in the NFL)
Without Dusty: 5 games, 167 attempts, 617 yards (that’s 3.93 ypc – a sizeable difference)
And those last five games, only one came against a Top 10 rushing team. And three of the five were against teams ranked int he bottom half of hte league against the run.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert is a bum?
we’ve seen him on the NFL field for about as much as we’ve seen Dusty.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I
Just make those statistics up?
Is Dusty our best player? Jesus, hell no. But do I think he is a critical component of our defense? Absolutely. When he plays we are a different front 7 because his backups just aren’t very good.
I just don’t see how this is – again, such a controversial position. A guy asked me my opinion about our defense. I gave it, and now I have to take $h*t for it? What the hell is this place?
Prophet, you wonder why I don’t play little games in your fun little blog worlds more – this is it. I’ve been a Bears fan most than some of you have been alive, yet I’m being attacked like I’m a member of the Favre family. And this for just sharing my opinion. WTF?
Real class acts, all around.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corrections to your revised history.
I think Dusty Dvoracek is our most important defensive lineman. We are a completely different unit when he is healthy and playing because he is a god damn savage beast.
Dvoraceck finally managed to stay healthy enough to play 12 games last year, and he had 40 tackles in 12 starts. Anthony Adams took over for him when he went on IR, and had 30 tackles in just 4 starts.
Our best defenses we had Ian Scott/Alfonso Boone – two big ol’ bears – in the middle clogging things up and taking on multiple blockers, or when we had Mt. Washington/Tractor Traylor just absolutely maiming people up front.Ian Scott and Alfonso Boone were not “big ’ol Bears.” Scott played at about 295 – 300 as a Bear, and Boone at 305. They are no larger in comparison to the DTs that succeeded them.
Anthony Adams is an acceptable rotation guy but he isn’t an NFL starter. At least not on a Top 10 defense.Scott and Boone were rotational players that left the Bears and went on to NFL obscurity, yet you seem to value them more than Anthony Adams, who is slightly bigger (310), and is also an “acceptable rotation guy” by your account.
That let Harris (et. all with Washington’s team) and Urlacher do their thing.Tommie Harris never played a single down along side of Ted Washington (or Keith Traylor for that matter).
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
The Harris thing – no $h*t. I meant that Washington and Traylor freed up their other D-linemen like Scott/Boone freed up Urlacher and Harris. Just didn’t want to spell it all out.
One thing you’re overlooking – Scott and Boone could play. They were maulers. They were active. Adams is OK. He’s not active. He’s soft. He’s just there to take up space. He’s a decent No. 3 tackle. That’s it. He’s not a legit starter. And Boone and Scott rotated – with each other.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're such a poser
it’s not even funny. You’re talking about D-linemen from years ago, and can’t even get that right. Some fan you are. Tell me, why don’t you list any favorite teams? That’s right, you’re just trolling around looking for a fight.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poser? Seriously?
Who is this clown?
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You pretend to be a fan when you’re not. You still haven’t answered my question about having no favorite teams.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buddy,
What the hell do you know about my favorite teams? What, because I don’t update my profile religiously? Because I don’t have a cool Facebook or Twitter page, or a cool SB Nation account full of bumps from my friends, that means I’m not a fan?
You’re awesome. “With friends like these…”
Take it easy folks.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you don't have one
Where have you been this whole time?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
After such a welcome reception for my comments or observations, you can be sure I’ll come scurrying right back here to deal with dimwits.
This is why I don’t do the “chat room” circuit. Just too much negativity. And every time I step in for a second I am instantly reminded why I don’t bother. Unless you just are a bobblehead that agrees with what everyone else says I suppose there is no point. Sorry, that’s not my style.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't either
but you seem to be the one creating negativity around here. Whatever, I’m done with this thread. Just make sure to come around when “good” things happen for this team and Jay. If I don’t see you and you happen to come around during his bad games, I’ll definitely call you out on it. If you are a true fan it’s a two-way street.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
we are the negative ones..
“Jay Cutler looked like Rex Grossman, if Grossman were a few inches taller and wearing No. 6. That was an awful, awful trade that will hurt us for a long, long time.”
funny how this is what started it all..
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott and Boone should never receive credit for freeing up anyone.
That’s laughable. Tommie Harris was the one who freed up other lineman… he drew the double teams on every snap. He was an absolute monster in ’04, ’05, and ’06.
Tank Johnson eventually climbed ahead of Scott and Boone on the depth chart for a reason. Scott and Boone are now buried at the bottom of depth charts. Scott didn’t even have a job in the NFL in 2007, and he played 3 games last year for San Diego (I imagine there was a Ron Rivera connection to bring him in). Boone started for a 4-12 Kansas City Chiefs team in 2007, and then lost his job to Glenn Dorsey in 2008.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 17, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't
point to tackles. From a DT that’s not the most important stat.
And it’s not like Adams had 30 tackles in four games.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD
I think Dusty Dvoracek is our most important defensive lineman.
You just lost what little credibility you had with that comment. I would have to say he’s the Bears least important defensive lineman, and it’s not even close. He’s a one-trick pony and that’s it (stops the run). I can see him not even making the team this year.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
And you don’t think Ben Roethlisberger is a good QB. Talk to me about credibility.
And refer to my previous other recent post of our stats with/without him.
Again, don’t let the stats throw you off your argument. Just keep not making any rational, reasonable points.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't put words in my mouth
I never said Big Ben wasn’t a good QB, but overrated. You do realize he had more Ints last year than TDs?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to be kidding me
17 TDs. 15 Ints.
That was just the regular season.
20 and 16 if you count the playoffs. And his 91.6 rating in the postseason – you know, Big Boy Football – is pretty solid.
Give me a break.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No response?
Damn. I’m sorry. I forgot that you don’t bring facts to your discussions. In your world Ben had 2 TD’s and 7,000 INTs, right? Jesus. What a joke.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either way
that’s pretty bad on a very good team. Cutler had over a 100 more pass completions and close 150 more attempts than Big Ben. Who’s more mistake prone?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More
Big Ben- sacked 46 times.
Cutler- 11 times with many more attempts.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are
Trying to make an argument that you would rather have Jay Cutler at quarterback than Ben Roethlisberger you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and know even less about football than I already think you do.
Again – this isn’t fantasy football we’re talking about.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Please don’t put words in my mouth. Those stats speak for themselves. One QB has zero pressure to make plays during the regular season, and another having to score just about everytime in order for his pathetic team to win. In the regular season Cutler had to win the games for the Broncos, while BB had to manage the game for the Steelers to win.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but we dont have BB, nor will we get him, we have Cutler, which is the point of this. and the discussion of whether he is a franchise QB or not… who gives a rat’s F*^K if BB is better, he won’t line up for snaps with a C on his helmet. we have verified young talent in our QB.
whether he can win with us or not, remains to be seen
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF we didn;t blow the games bs ATL and TAM, we could've been 11-5
“IF” is a big word in sports. The Bears could’ve been 12-4 last year, IF they didn’t blow the lead with about a minute left against the Panthers, Bucs, and Falcons. That doesn’t mean they should’ve been 12-4. The Bears could’ve just as easily been 5-11 last year, and the same can be said for every team in the league, because the majority of games are decided by one or two key plays.
Eagles fans can say, “if we just tried to roll out McNabb once at the goal-line, we would’ve beat the Bears.”
Vikings fans could say, “if we didn’t get that punt blocked for a TD, or had thrown that last interception, we would’ve beat the Bears.”
Saints fans could say, “if we didn’t blow the lead with less than 2 minutes left, we would’ve beaten the Bears.”
Packer fans can say, “if that punt didn’t hit Jarrett Bush, we would’ve beat the Bears.”
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a fair weather fan.
That’s my prediction. We already have one of you here, his name is GeoMak and I like him better than you because, gasp he’s not a pompus a$$ like you.
And I make a killing off the ignorance of people who think they know anything about sports. If it weren’t for guys like you I’d have to get a real job, so thanks. Keep it coming.
I make a living defending the rights of blow hards like you. I want a thank you card.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Me too!
and what a meger lving it can be
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ssshhh...
Ditkavsworld, don’t you understand that you are a mere mortal and not qualified to dispute the Holy Word of G*d Almighty, or, as he calls himself in this earthly incarnation, Doc’s Sports Predictions?
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on Aug 18, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I should humbly throw myself at his feet and beg for his mercy!!!!!
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 18, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre is the all-time career interception leader
I guess he sucked too.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 17, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he's a bum...
What’s his career record against us?? Ouch…
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way
who was that who had to force the ball to make things happen because his team was constantly playing from behind with the worse defense in the league giving up 30ppg? When the other team knows you have to pass becuase you are trailing again, there are going to be interceptions. Give a 25% of his picks to defense. How does 25 tds and 13-14 picks sound? A lot nicer…
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
It was the defenses fault that he has averaged nearly two turnovers per game for two years. Absolutely. There is no need for accountability at the quarterback position. None indeed. Keep making excuses for him. Whose fault will it be this year if he doesn’t throw 25-14? The wideouts? Ron Turner? George Halas himself?
PS – Denver’s defense was ranked No. 29. San Diego’s was No. 25.
Philip Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes to just 11 INT’s.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying using a real stat
like points allowed. Who gives a care about how many yards a defense gives up? All that matters are points allowed and turnovers created.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"real stat"
Priceless. I’m the one who is making up stats? Really? You sure?
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PA is made up now?
Is this what happens when your paper-thin argument can’t hold water?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
comparing him to Rivers? Why?
What does that have to do with speaking on why he constantly had to throw leading his team from behind to try and win games? Congratulations on Rivers success, I will pick him in the 4th rd in fantasy this year but it has nothing to do with the statement. The bottom line is his if his defense was halfway decent he wouldn’t throwing into defenses knowing they are passing trying to score points to win games in the second half. His interception rate is directly related to the game situations he was placed in.
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Rivers really got screwed having to carry that offense all by himself.
If only the Chargers could find a running back to take some pressure off of him.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Aug 17, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
That trade was really all that bad.
Orton originally signed a 4 year deal in ’05, then a 1 year ext in ’08. So he would have been a FA at the end of the year. Would you have rather have given him starter QB money? I doubt the front office would have either. So lets say they let him go. Chances are they would have used that #1 on a QB anyway. Do you really think a rookie is a better option? Draft a QB & sit him so he can learn from Haine?
Not pulling the trigger for fear on missing out on draft potential drives me nuts.
Just ask McNown who chastised me for returning my movies a day late Saturday.
by craftyveteran on Aug 17, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrecked for comedic purpose
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
rec’d both..
but its scary that someone could have that kind of opinion of cutler, unless he’s a bronco fan
"Triple B's Bulls Bears... Blackhawks (i guess)"
by Faizamaze on Aug 16, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he gets the green-ination from me for this
(PS – Please no one try to tell me that he’s a "franchise" and "Pro Bowl" quarterback. There’s only a half-dozen of those guys in the league. And he ain’t one of them.)
Ummmm wasn’t he a Pro-Bowler last year?
by wennington4 on Aug 16, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah,
but only because he was voted into it. That doesn’t count, right?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Aug 16, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well being one of the top qb's in the game is no reason to be called one of the best qb's in the game
the man is garbage.
eddie royal totally carried him, plus denver’s running back consistency
by wennington4 on Aug 16, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep thinking
That he’s one of the best in the game. If being about No. 16 or No. 17 in the league is “one of the best qb’s in the game” then he’s your man.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 16, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or their track record
of playing great defense while Cutler was there. Isn’t his record 13-1 when his team scores 21 points or more? Oh year, quite terrible.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 17, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
been called worse
And I assumed if I was going to be dismissed or mocked I might as well voice the opposition point. But I wouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good argument. Maybe if we just hope and wish really hard he’ll be good.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 17, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Skip Bayless again?
Go back to PTI and take Mariotti with you. I’m so goddamn tired of people passing off any contrarian hack bullshit they can think of to try and get attention. Oh, wow!!! You have a barely defensible argument, and you’re not scared to scream it from the rooftops! How incredibly insightful. I’m sure ESPN will be calling any day now.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think that Cutler will be ready when the regular season starts.
Its his first real game with this offense, he still needs some time to get used to it. At least Orton did worse in Denver…
by JoeCB1991 on Aug 16, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Malast
he showed great tackling skills. should be a keeper. Rutgers is starting to dish out Great NFL talent.
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 16, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone's missing the most scary aspect of this team.
Our secondary was atrocious. We allowed the Bills first two QB’s to go 23 of 26 including Edwards 10 for 10. We knew this secondary had some question marks, now I wonder if they have any starting caliber DB’s period. We will get picked apart all year if this is how we continue to defend the pass. It wasn’t due to a lack of a pass rush either. Almost every completion was a quick slant for 8-12 yards per. That’s just poor coverage. I know we played “vanilla” on defense, but vanilla doesn’t have to equal pathetic. This game scared me badly.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Aug 16, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone missed that. They went 29-34 overall.
We’re all bitchin about it.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but not on this thread.
Here we all seem to be concerned about Hester (as we should) and/or Cutler. I think the juries out on Cutler. Give the guy a learning curve in a new offense. The offense needs some time to work together as a unit. But our secondary. Ouch.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
by Just Dave on Aug 16, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
S O F T coverage
If we continue to play our CBs 10 yards deep, then we’re not gonna win many games.
Why are we still conceeding the 8 yard pass play on every single down!? It’s one thing if it’s 3rd & 20, but we give opponents that play anytime they want it. As long as we continue that, teams will continue to complete 80% of thier passes against us.
by MakeHalasProud on Aug 16, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not expecting great things out of the secondary..
Considering Tillman and Bowman are out, our secondary was bound to be a little weak. But Nathan Vasher looks to be done, he’s getting lit up in practice and games. Mostly we need a pass rush. Too often the QB has 5+ seconds to find a target and plenty of room to set his feet. Getting any kind of push will help out the secondary immensely. Without a pass rush, well keep getting toasted.
by Aeacus_ on Aug 16, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our CBs aren't the only concern.
Right now… it looks like we’re planning to go with Payne at FS, and Afalava at SS. Having two strong safeties out there will only weaken our pass coverage.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 16, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Manning at FS?
I know he’s hurt or w/e but I thought the plan was for him to start? Ugh! Did Rashad Johnson really look THAT bad? I’d rather see Afalava at FS and Payne at SS.
"The phone's for you, I think it's the Devil."
by Acreman20 on Aug 16, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're starting to like Afalava so much, that he might be the starting SS.
And, that would move Payne to FS… and Manning back to Nickel. Either way, Manning is going to be the “utility” DB.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 17, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be disaster
Payne is awful at FS. I would rather wing it with Corey Graham..
by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering
the same thing on draft day. From everything I read he (johnson) was really intelligent & instinctive, but average athleticism at best. Lack of explosion didn’t help his cause either.
Was also a big fan of Chung from Ore. Not sure where he ended up going.
Agree with Afalava at FS. Payne in coverage makes me nervous.
by craftyveteran on Aug 17, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I finally got to watch the Buffalo game Monday
Couldn’t draw many conclusions from it. I do agree with those who said Urlacher looked like Urlacher (I don’t know who that impostor was in the 54 uniform last season), and Afalava really popped out at me a couple of times. DJ Moore, too. And Hanie has something going for him.
But in general, all I can say is the the vanilla defense didn’t produce much pressure on the QB and the starting offense didn’t have any rhythm to it.
We’ll see if anything gets cleared up on Saturday night.
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on Aug 18, 2009 7:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs






















