Tony Dungy wants Marvin Harrison in Chicago
by Adam T on Aug 19, 2009 2:36 PM CDT
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Upon his retirement from coaching football, Tony Dungy seems to have a lot on his plate. He puts a lot of time into his charity, he is always being asked to do interviews and most recently he has become Michael Vick's mentor. With all of that it seems that he wouldn't have so much time to get wrapped up in the Bears issues, but he has been.
First, he spoke out questioning Jay Cutler's leadership ability. Now he seems to be trying to grease a path to get Marvin Harrison into Chicago. It's almost like his new mission is to get every cast off football player a new home.
"Yeah, Marvin can play the game,'' Dungy said. "Marvin can get open and catch the ball. Marvin's whole thing is precision. And he's the guy that needs work in a system, you know. I think he definitely can play and I would encourage Lovie to sign him if they had that opening."
I'm on the fence with this idea. Having a guy with the experience that Harrison has it tempting, but would he come in at a good price and would he slow the development of the young guys by insisting to be a starter?
What do you think?
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Would he slow the development of others?
Probably not. If anything, he would improve their development…. because he’d only be blocking the rookies.
However, it remains to be seen if he can still play at a high level.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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maybe a bit harsh on my part
but he seems to pretty set about what he wants. If he came in, Bennet and Know wouldn’t get the same attempts.
Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!
That wouldn't necessarily slow their development though.
Our top 3 would be Hester, Harrison, and Bennett. Bennett would be on the field plenty. Knox and Iglesias are rookies, and haven’t shown “it” yet. This time last year, Cutler and the Broncos were raving about Eddie Royal. Cutler has barely said a peep about our rookies… not a big vote of confidence there.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Bennett is not making the top 3
He’s not any good. A lot of people on this site won’t like this, but Rash Davis will be number three and he’ll be much better than Bennett.
by smithie love on Aug 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe Davis will be a valuable late season veteran guy
but am completely baffled how you’ve decied “Bennet isn’t any good”.
I think he can
It would seriously help our team this year, better than Earl bennet thats for sure
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If they're gonna add someone... then go with Mattt Jones.
He’d be another huge target… and he’s entering his prime.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 19, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
JA appeared to put the scuppers on this a while back. I hope he’ll reconsider, given how drafting a WR is a bit of a crapshoot (especially for this team) and it would take more than we can afford in draft picks to trade for a proven one. It seems a lot to be hoping for 2-3 receivers to have breakout seasons at once… whereas lining up multiple big targets like Olsen, Kellen Davis, Rideau and Matt Jones in the red zone would be perfect for Culter (or to open up the field for the running game).
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Agreed.
But what are “scuppers”? This is a new one to me. Also, its really getting late to be bringing in a new player. Look at what happened in Dallas last year with Roy Williams last year. They got very little productivity out of a guy who was trying to learn their playbook on the fly. Anyone we bring in now would be seriously behind the 8 ball and need a period of time just to acclimate. Just a thought.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
My bad, local terminology. Scuppers = put a hole in the hull below the waterline = sink (I definitely remember JA saying that he wasn’t interested in Jones). Good point regarding the playbook – would be one more new piece on an offensive unit that’s already made up of quite a few new pieces.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Agree completely
the last thing we need to help all the "new"ness in the offense is yet another new guy.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
better than harrison
Passed on him in a fantasy draft, if bears et him, I’ll pick him up
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto - BouJouma
Please takeyour latte circle jerk to another thread. -WU
babies are young and under team control for at least 12 years -Billyok
i heard kenny williams' mother bought a lottery ticket and lost so kenny williams traded his mother - Billyok
+1
yes..absolutely yes
doesnt Harrison have worse legal issues than some probation bust for drinking a beer on a golf course?
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 20, 2009 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Development?
Who exactly is developing at this point? Maybe Hester and Bennett, but the rest this year is just to get their feet wet. It wouldn’t hurt for Iglesias and Knox to get “pointers” from one of the best of all-time. They need to do something in order to improve the WR production for the upcoming season; there will be games where Hester and Bennett disappear entirely.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
And... there will be games where they are unavailable to even play, nursing injury.
At that point, we’d have rookies out there.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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wait a minute
we’ve been over this a million times all offseason. which ‘one of the best WR’s of all time’ was on the broncos to give pointers to brandon marshall a few years ago? which one was there last year to teach eddie royal how to catch 90 passes? that’s nonsense. you can either play or you can’t whether you’re a rookie or not. the only way to find out who can play is to play them.
and f dungy anyways. he got fired in tampa because he couldn’t win in the playoffs. gruden came in and won the superbowl with the same team the next year. then dungy goes to indy and they win despite him because they have probably the best QB of all time. he’s garbage just like his favorite student lovie.
someone must have pissed in my cheerios this morning.
Tony Dungy cannot go away fast enough.
And Marvin Harrison can’t come in fast enough.
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
Harrison can't get ANYWHERE fast enough these days
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 19, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And yet
He’s still better than anyone else currently on your roster at WR. Says something, don’t it?
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Go away Troll
He’s definitely not better than Hester at this point in his career; everyone will be convinced during/after this season.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Well
Maybe Harrison would be on an NFL team if he could keep his gun from going off.
Oops. Too soon?
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
lol
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 19, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If that were the case
then somebody would have signed him by now. not like he hasn’t been a free agent all offseason.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 20, 2009 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought I was the only one who is getting tired of seeing and hearing Tony Dungy.
Who died and made him the Jesse Jackson of Pro Football and becoming the unofficial spokesman for every former star who is out of a job? I thought Bill Poulian was the “personnel guy” for the Colts, not TD.
LOL
Who died and made him the Jesse Jackson of Pro Football and becoming the unofficial spokesman for every former star who is out of a job? I thought Bill Poulian was the "personnel guy" for the Colts, not TD
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
DavidHaugh Tony Dungy tells ESPN1000 Marvin Harrison would fit with Bears…but other NFL types say his knees are done. Is he worth risk? Not sure
Knee problems?
Don’t we already have that with Tommie Harris?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 19, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah
But that’s why the Bears signed the sponsorship deal with a health care organization….
I'M A MAN! I'M 23!
That makes sense.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
Sign him to a 1 year deal not worth a lot..cant find a job so he’ll take what he can get and if he gets hurt cut him. He would bring solid hands to Chicago and would offer leadership to the WR core and could mentor your younger WRs. Couldnt pick much better guys to learn from than him. Look at how we are doing it in Kc we have lots of young guys (not sure how many you have) but I think you have pretty young WRS and we are bringing in vets at pretty much evey position to help fill some holes but also to teach these young guys how to win and to reach your full potential….Cant hurt can it?
Yup, because KC's who we want to model our team after.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Aug 20, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Didnt say we are the best team out there
I know we arent but we are taking steps in the right direction my poiint was it doesnt hurt to have a vet on the team to help out when you have a bunch of young guys trying to learn the ropes.
Unless...
He’s old and broken down and is going to nothing more than take snaps away from the young guys who need them. I don’t know if the guys we currently have or going to be anything special. I don’t know if Marv still has anything left. But for the life of me I don’t want another episode like last year with Lloyd and Booker.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont follow the Bears that much but..
my cousin is a huge Bears fan but how are Bennett and Hester looking ? Do they look like they could be a good combo?
Both have been talked up this off-season.
And so has Rideau. But to be honest, I dunno. Hester looked decent in the Bills PS game, but he looked decent last year at times. Bennett didn’t get a ball thrown in his direction, but I have heard good things about him. Then again, it could be all hype. I personally feel, and I don’t know how much is blind optimism, that they’ll be a really nice combo. Mixed in with Olsen, whom is primed to have a breakout year, and Forte who is another good option catching the ball out of the backfield, I think our passing game will excel. But that’s just me.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Aug 20, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys do have a good TE and RB
in Olsen and Forte. How do you think Orton will look in Denver? I just heard a rumor that we may trade Croyle to Denver for Marshall and a 2nd pick..I dont think it would ever happen but it would be a good trade for the Chiefs if they could somehow pull it off!
Orton...
I think he’ll be alright, if he’s still starting at the beginning of the season. He’s an effective dump off passer and some of the Denver folks seem to think that’s what McDaniels wants in his QB. I think KO will utilize their TE, Scheffler, and will only benefit from the upgrade of Denver’s OL. Especially compared to what we had starting at our bookends last year. If I were to guess, I’d say Royal will probably be the leading receiver even if Marshall stays in Mile High.
And if K.C. pulls off that deal, it’ll be an excellent move for your team. Do you really think Denver will give up Marshall and a 2nd for your backup QB?
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Aug 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt
we could pull off that trade but its becoming the TO era in like in Philly over there so who knows what will happen but I seriously doubt they would let a weapon like Marshall go to a division rival like the Chiefs I would say realistically a trade for Marshall for a backup and a 2nd would be best somewhere like the Jets …Kellen and a 2nd for Marshall may happen but you never know thats why we all love it!
Kc guy
How is David Bowe doing? idk should i pick him for fantasy ?
Well
him and Haley have had their bumps but he played good against Houston he had 5 catches for 70 yards I think he will have a good year this year he would be worht picking up
yea your right
better go with detroit ; }
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by HireMattMillen on Aug 21, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
HARRiSON IS SO OLD.........
he sat behind Jesus in the 1st grade
sign him or matt jones
If #23 goes down we are screwed. WR’s get hurt all the time. If Hester is out for 3 games is anyone comfortable with Bennet and Davis as our starters?
by Ryan21 on Aug 19, 2009 3:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Matt Jones and Greg Olsen – two HUGE and FAST targets…secondaries might have a few one tall guy but they don’t have the personnel to defend two players of their caliber and talents
Red zone would become the Green zone!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Too many white lines on the field.
Major distraction for Jones.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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nice touch...
and i can’t believe i’m saying this, but that jump ball wouldn’t have been a problem for matt jones… MATT JONES!!!! sorry, everytime i hear his name, i think of that…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 19, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh come on,
not re-hashed Daryl Strawberry jokes… lol
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Off-field Issues Worth It
Bears have youth and speed but they lack any leadership. Marvin may have some off-field issues, lost a step (or six), but he’s the savvy mentor that they hoped Muhammad or Booker would wind up being.
You think?
I’ve heard nothing about Harrison that would indicate that he’s a good locker room guy. All I’ve heard is that he keeps to himself and is hard to get a read on. Which is fine, unless you’re bringing him in to be a mentor.
—d
"Some off field issues" ?
He might get implicated for putting out a hit on a dude. That’s more serious that Matt Jones’ issues.
by smithie love on Aug 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially
since Matt Jones only had a beer to violate his probation. I repeat, a can of beer people.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
someone tell me how Harrison's going to get open
He’s slow, old and now his knees are highly suspect.Don’t the Bears also expect their wideouts to block as well? Yeah, riiiight.
And when it's cold
His knees will hurt more, and he won’t have the comforts of an air-conditioned dome.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Yes true but he would be a great teacher he is almost worth the money in.His ability to mentor alone………
Coaches teach.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 19, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because someone is a great player doesn't mean
that they will make a great teacher/mentor. That’s why you don’t see a lot of great players succeed as coaches (cough cough MJ cough).
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I say sign him to a 1-2 year deal,tell him that your not going, to pay too much for him.And that we are the best option.He would be a great mentor to everyone on are WR group.
he still wants big money!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 19, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If we want...
a veteren WR with off the field issues we should get Matt Jones not Harrison
If we got either one we should be happy but if.Harrisons price isn’t too too steep i say Marvin.It’s like picking between coke and guns………….
Don't Start
Don’t start with the coke talk, especially because so many people that bring it up have no idea what they are talking about, who Matt Jones is, or how good and much potential he showed last year.
A. He is not the only football player to do coke. He got caught though.
B. He recently got kicked off a team for drinking on a golf course with friends.
He is be no means a bigger “coke head” than any other NFL player your grab.
He couldn't keep his stuff together
in Jacksonville… what makes anyone think he could in a metropolis like Chicago?
Keep his stuff together?
He had a beer on a golf course with buddies. SUCH A REBEL. HIDE YOUR CHILDREN!
Couldn't hurt to sign him.
Sure he might take a few reps away from Bennett, Iglesias and Knox but those 3 have all the time in the world to become good recievers. He would give us an immediate presence at reciever that none of the young guys would. Yeah Hester might turn into a really good reciever this year, but there are not guarantees. But one thing that’s for sure is Harrison would have the best hands of the bunch, and that’s something we sorely need at WR.
If his knees are shot
Why would Indy have offered him a contract? It wasn’t the $$ he was used to, but it was relatively hefty.
Bring him in for a tryout.
Then again, this thread has convinced me that Matt Jones is the man we need.
We need somebody.
I'm with you WCG. Definitely fence riding.
I just don’t know anymore. On one hand, it’s been crammed down our throats by the MSM and everyone not in the Bears organization that Cutler has no one to throw to. On the other hand, the Bears have continued insisting that we’ll be just fine with who we have and that our current crop of receivers are doing great so far. I think I’m just going to push away from the table on this one. I’m gonna trust that Lovie earns his check and does what is best for the team.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
On the other hand, the Bears have continued insisting that we’ll be just fine with who we have
We used to hear that about our QBs, too. I don’t think anyone believed them…..
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
True dat.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Aug 19, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not against them picking someone up
but I don’t think Harrison is the right move.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I have always been a fan of Harrison.
He would be a great addition to da Bears this season and they should act asap to get him signed. Out of all the WR’s on the market, this is the guy I favored the whole time.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Aug 19, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions
Teaching our young receivers some old tricks
I have been saying this for a while. Marvin may have lost a step but he can teach the Bears young receivers how to play the game. If signing him for nothing else but that, the Bears and their receivers would benefit by doing so.
Couldn't have said it better +,
Harrison has never been the fastest or biggest WR. He is one of the best route runners I have ever seen play the game and he has great hands. Maybe that would rub off on our guys?
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Aug 19, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I say wait
give it to at least preseason game 3… if the offense is lacking a WR threat, then bring in Harrison
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 19, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
In the past I’ve been very reluctant to get Jones because of his long history of bat character issues but at this point I’ve changed. I think he is the right guy for the Bears right now. He’s fast, big and young. Signing him will not cost much either and the only risk is the development of other guys but come on, Rideau and Aromashodu are just as old as Jones and have proved nothing in this league yet.
excellent point...
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 19, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see the attraction to Matt Jones...
I know he’s got size and speed, but you can find any number of athletes from college who do too. He has never had a standout year except for a partial season last year. He’s still learning to play WR, since he never did it until he got to the pros, so it’s not like he’s a polished performer. Also, doesn’t it bother anyone that he’s still out there with seemingly very little interest from other teams? His old team didn’t want him and it looks like no one else does either. I think there is something going on that the GM’s around the league know or believe about him that is causing him to be sitting at home.
I agree with Allie that in a place like Chicago, with the temptations available to a pro athlete, his ability to stay “clean” would be severely tested. He also had some character issues when he was in college, so it’s not like he made one stupid mistake and you hope he’s learned from it. I know it hasn’t been anything extraordinarily serious, but there has been something of a pattern for him, and with all of our deficiencies I don’t see possible distractions from a “new signing” being a good thing. I think a better situation for Jones would be a place like New England where he can learn from some veterans and the rest of the team is strong enough where he wouldn’t have the pressure of coming through right away. The Bears are not in that position.
but in the same light
Harrison has been a FA the same, nobody is biting on him… not saying you took that stance, it just seems as though it’s become a discussion between the two
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 20, 2009 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but in Harrison's case I would think his price tag and declining physical skills
are playing a part in it as well. When this subject was discussed a few months ago, another name that came up was Justin McCarreins, the former NIU star. He’s not a future HOF by any means but he was a fairly solid pro who hadn’t signed with anyone. I’m not sure if he’s still available, but he might be worth a look.
But But But But
He also had some character issues when he was in college, so it’s not like he made one stupid mistake and you hope he’s learned from it.
He’s a committed Christian, or so we were told in a previous thread. Doesn’t that count for anything?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
what was I thinking...
no committed Christian would ever do anything unworthy…I stand corrected.
By the way, on a totally unrelated subject…are you a big Jim Bakker / Jimmy Swaggart fan by any chance?
Perish the thought, I’m in the UK and have views on organised religion which have no place in this sports blog (they’d also get me shot in the deep south, I believe). Only reason I even recognise those names is because I grew up reading Bloom County and Outland. That’s right, my formative views on all things American come from Berkley Breathed :-D
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
That's ok
My view of all things British comes from Python, Top Gear, and Guy Ritchie films. :)
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
You should catch some Little Britain, if you haven’t already. It’s disturbing :-D
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
Not familiar with it.
BBC America?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
lol
Just occurred to me that you have BBC, and probably not BBC America. I’ll do a program search.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Oh, don't get hbo.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Oddly enough I'm an American and most of my formative views came from Breathed too.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
wouldn't hurt to invite him in for a visit
We could then see if he can move quickly and connect, and could certainly sense his attitude. The fact that he’s still out there unemployed might give him incentive to lower his salary expectations.
My opinion of why the Colts havnt re-signed marvelous marv is that the colts have Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez (who looked great last year, btw), and they have Dallas Clark, granted, a TE, but a very effectively used one on the Colts O. So to them, having Marv is not that much a priority anymore.
But the Bears have a young group of POTENTIAL greats. It’ll take a while—maybe a year or two for some, maybe a month or two for others— to really get going. The Bears have more of a need for Marv.
Give it a try!
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
The Bears Front Office is too conservative!
They aren’t going to sign a WR! Especially after preseason has started. They are probably still too butt-hurt from the Muhsin Muhammad ordeal too, to sign an old vet WR anyway.
I can’t even tell you how amazing it would be to sign Matt Jones though. Cutlers kind of been hinting (more like screaming!) every week that I LOVE TALL RECEIVERS. Notice how he always talks about Olsen (6’5), Rideau (6’3) and D.A. (6’2) and never mentions little Rashied Davis (5’9). Also after the first preseason game (Infamous Hester Intercepting Interview), he mentioned (basically) that he is very comfortable with tall receivers who can catch jump balls. I’m sure Cutler would love Matt Jones (6’6) who BY THE WAY has a pretty good vertical!
Marvin would be neat to have, and I’m so glad Dungy is pushing the Bears and him together, but I don’t know if its going to happen. Plus, if Cutler truly loves the bigger receivers I don’t know if Marvin would quite cut it (6’0). I would love to see the Bears look into him, and maybe have him come on up to Bourbonnais for a little tryout of sorts. If he can jump still and make himself big at WR, Cutler would probably love to have Marvin around. If anything he would add some healthy competition to the WR spot, and possibly be a mentor for Hester.
Pre-emptive response
Though their front office DID sign Cutler this off-season, it was only after years of “Rax is our Corterback”, and not taking a chance with Kyle Orton (who from his Rookie season and on, should have NEVER been on the bench behind Sexy Rexy). I do too applaud them for signing Orland Pace though. Hopefully that pans out.
by PoopieDeLoopie on Aug 20, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't know how this is even a debate
He would step in and instantly be the best wideout that we have. Is he still the same guy that he was four of five years ago? No. But Jerry Rice had some pretty productive years in Oakland after he was clearly past his prime. Guys like this are Hall of Famers, first ballot, because they just know how to play the game and produce. Our receivers are awful. Not serviceable. Not OK. Not up-and-coming. They are awful. Maybe at some point they could be good, but right now they are probably one of the two or three worst wideout corps in the league. Harrison should have been brought in at the beginning of camp, not the end.
And someone mentioned Matt Jones earlier. One problem: he’s a dickhead and he isn’t any good. His “prime”? Do guys like that have a prime? he is completely disinterested in winning or being a good football player. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t watch him play.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions
ok, nostradumass
our receivers are not OK, not up and coming..how in the hell do you know? they are unproven, that’s about all you can say right now. maybe none of them will ever end up being productive but you haven’t even seen bennett, iglesias or knox in a game yet. and no, that practice session in buffalo last week was not a game. neither are the training camp practices that i’m sure you must have had a field pass to since you are such a source of definitive knowledge.
you have to put them on the field and let them succeed or let them fail. that is the only way to evaluate their talent. i probably would have gone for harrison at the beginning of camp too, but that’s past now. you go with what you have at this point. also, good coaching a good game plan and a quality QB would put them in a position to succeed. unfortunately we don’t have shanahan running our offense.
WCG, i suggest a weekly posting starting in say week 3 called doc’s failed predictions.
we'll see buddy, we'll see
As always, keep wishing and hoping that everything will be OK and I guess it will. But you are high if you don’t think that we have one of the worst three of four receiving corps in the game. Iglesias does have some physical talent, I will give you that. As does Hester. But Hester as a No. 1? Knox is really not someone I’m high on and Bennett was a good college player with very limited NFL upside (as opposed to Iglesias). Basically, our wideouts are a mess.
Harrison is an all-time great. I agree that obviously price is an issue. But if we can get him in at a very reasonable (see: bargain) price then I don’t see why we wouldn’t.
And exactly what “predictions” have I made? Please – give me one prediction that I have made so far. Because I have questions about our quarterback, our secondary and our wide receivers? Really? That puts me in the minority here? What team are you guys watching?
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
again...
how can you say they’re
one of the worst three of four receiving corps in the game
if you’ve never seen them play in a single NFL game??? simple question, try to keep your answer the same way…
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Is this a joke?
You’ve never seen me play in an NFL game and do you think I’m better than Randy Moss?
You need to understand that I am a professional football handicapper. It is my job to break these things down and analyze them and that is what I do.
It was the same thing with Cutler. You guys act like I’ve never seen these guys play. When in reality I’ve been following all of them for several years. Do you think I don’t know who the hell Earl Bennett is?
How about this: you give me five receiving corps that you think we are better than. I’m talking top 5 wideouts on a given team in the NFL.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Answer is simple
The only teams that you could argue have worse wideouts than us:
Jets (still would take Clowney and Cotchery over ours)
Tennessee (anyone want Justin Gage back? Me neither)
Oakland (just saw their best wideout go down; sub-par everywhere else)
Giants (would definitely take their young corps over ours. Without question.)
Redskins (they still have Santana Moss, who is a bit overrated but still better than anything we have)
Tampa Bay (without Antonio Bryant they get pretty bad, pretty quick)
St. Louis (just not much to work with here)
So the only ones that I would 100 percent say I think we’re better than are Oakland, Tampa Bay (sans Bryant), and St. Louis. Could make an argument against Tennessee and I might spot you that one. But other than that I don’t see how this is even an argument. Now I get the sense that people just want to insult me for the fun of it. I’m some kind of villian because I don’t think we’re going to the Super Bowl this year? gasp Hey, genetic – there is a prediction you can quote me on.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Doc add this to your profile please.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't hate me cause you ain't me
Keep hatin’.
Your contributions here have been impressive. Little pictures. That’s good. Keep up the good work buddy. Learn something new every time you post.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I bring joy to other posters.
I bring insight when needed.
I unlike you know how to make a point without having to tell everyone how special I am.
You’ve been here about 5 min, I’ve been here almost a year.
My only wish is that I was half as important as you are.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Unlike me?
Once again, I have never said I was “special”. I simply came in here to talk some shop about the Bears and have had to take $h*t from my first post. I’m a “dumb ass”, “laughable” and “a joke”. And for what? For saying I question Jay Cutler’s “greatness” and I think our receivers are awful? Really? I’m the ass for that?
Basically, I make a point, the insults and incredulous posts follow, and I get irritated and fire back because it’s like having a discussion with a bunch of 12-year-olds instead of talking some football. That’s how my five minutes have been spent.
And I point out what I do for a living simply to say that hey, I’m a guy who makes my living on sports information and analysis. And if you just want to hate on that, well that’s your problem buddy. If you guys don’t want someone like that in your forum then fine. I get it. No problem. Guess I thought that I’d be the least bit welcome among fellow fans. But that has not been the case.
What a farce.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m a "dumb ass", "laughable" and "a joke". And for what? For saying I question Jay Cutler’s "greatness" and I think our receivers are awful? Really? I’m the ass for that?
Never said you were.
And I point out what I do for a living simply to say that hey, I’m a guy who makes my living on sports information and analysis. And if you just want to hate on that, well that’s your problem buddy
Never said I hated you. Just posted a funny pic.
Guess I thought that I’d be the least bit welcome among fellow fans. But that has not been the case.
You are more than welcome here. I just posted a funny pic. I’ll admit that your first post I called you a blow hard. But even you have to admit you are coming off a bit pompus because “this is what I do for a living”. Do you really need to throw that out there to back up your opinion? Maybe you need to validate to yourself. I’d respect your opinion more if you came off less of an ass that’s all I’m sayin.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Since your first appearance
you’ve ripped almost every player you’ve talked about, dubbed Dvoracek as our most important DL, pined for the days of Alfonso Boone, and explained that Cutler is as bad or worse than Grossman. Then you changed that to him being as good/bad as Kerry Collins. You’ve repeatedly informed us of how you make a living doing this, which reads to most of us as you telling us how your opinion is much more valuable than any of ours. There’s also been the brilliant comments about how you’ve been a fan for almost a quarter of a century. Wow, congratulations on not dying before turning 25. The fact that you only seem to pop up when you feel like ripping someone doesn’t help either. For the life of me I can’t imagine why we haven’t thrown a great big welcome party to inaugurate you into this site. Now do us all a favor and go Rap-Trap-Trapping on someone elses goddamn bridge.
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If not, you should. It’ll be great.
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I'm sorry
that the picture was over your head.
I’ll explain it for you.
You are a “prediction guy”, that’s what the Carnac character did. It’s funny. Lighten up Francis.
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
you just couldn't wait to explain that one, could you
What’s less funny than the guy who tells an obvious joke and then explains it afterwards. I’m sure there were some in here that didn’t know who that was but I am not one. But thanks.
by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Aug 20, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What’s less funny than the guy who tells an obvious joke and then explains it afterwards.
Answer: You.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Karnac says Bridges, gay bars, and this blog...
(Opens Envelope) Things with too many trolls. Weird, wild stuff.
HEYOOOO!!
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by JerBear50 on Aug 21, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hilarious.
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 21, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
the point is that we don't need a #1 WR
and neither does any other team. see NE Patriots pre-Randy Moss for reference. name me their pro bowl receivers for the 02, 04, and 05 seasons. now, since they acquired big time randy moss, how many superbowls have they won?
what league are you watching?
Ugh..
Bring in Matt Jones or something..I don’t want to see Harrison in a bears uniform unless he’s coming in on a 1-2 mil bargain deal because his knees will probably explode by the 4th game.
Harrison
The last thing the Bears need is an old lickspittle like Harrison at WR. If he wants to mentor, let him open up an ashram.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
If we wear orange jerseys....
maybe we can sneak Plax on the field for two years
i really don't think
“D.O.C.” is an eligible receiver #
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 20, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shame on you. LOL.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 20, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
They were talking about this topic on PTI a few minutes ago...
They are saying the Bears would be stupid not to sign him. Instantly best WR on team, and he can help Hester come to form.
Really?
Specifically talking about who? Matt Jones or Harrison?
I hate working late
Im telling you...
Harrison would be a great fit. He would teach as well as contribute. Harrison was catching TD’s in his sleep while Jones was still getting his ass wiped by his mommy. Get the deal done please.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Aug 20, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
Harrison would suck
and cost too much damn money on shakey knees. he catches one over the middle on a chilly night in Chicago, and thats IR… as in Instant Retirement
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 21, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
Alright, I went a little over board on that last comment.
In all reallity, either of them would help the team.
Hear about the blind hooker, you gotta hand it to her.
Rex Grossman has to be a test-tube baby, cause he's not worth a f---!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Aug 21, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
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