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....where it's Day 4 of training camp and we know the Vikings could only hope to land 11,000 fans on one day of their training camp.

In The Den

670 The Score

Laurence Holmes has a nice piece on Devin Hester's development as a WR.

ChicagoBears.com

Marcus Harrison is working hard to get his weight down, but he's still not ready to return quite yet. 

Big plays and big hits were part of the Bears first practice in pads.

Orlando Pace and Jay Cutler are impressing Ron Turner thus far.

Chicago Sun-Times

Kyle Orton feels at home in Denver's offensive scheme.

Brandon Rideau is finally getting his chance to compete for a starting gig.

Mike Mulligan has a nice piece on the economics of Jay Cutler.

Brad Biggs breaks down Erik Kramer vs. Jay Cutler.

Biggs also has another great historical piece on Bears QB's.

Here's an interview with Erik Kramer about Jay Cutler and the current WR's.

The Bears are bringing back Matt Forte slowly.

The Bears threw in a Wildcat play during Sunday's session.

More after the jump....

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Chicago Tribune

Rosenblog: Hester's catching on. 

Matt Forte talks some fantasy football.

Dan Pompei ponders the Bears OL in 2009.

The Bears are bringing back Matt Forte in a smart manner, limiting his reps on Saturday after his hamstring tweak in OTA's.

David Haugh believes that Earl Bennett could be a huge steal.

LenDale White's weight-loss plan? Stop drinking.

Here's the "Jay Cutler watch" for Sunday's session.

Sunday practice observations from Vaughn McClure.

Daily Herald

So far, Zackary Bowman looks like the real deal. 

ESPN Chicago

The Bears are bullish on the TE's this year, and why not? 

Israel Idonije praised DL coach Rod Marinelli.

Online Sports Handicappers

Here's some more picks on the Bears' 2009 chances.

Peoria Journal Star

The Bears got physical at their first camp session with pads.

YouTube

Jay Cutler on Day 3 of training camp.

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Does anyone else get the feeling

that Zachary Bowman may end up being the best player on the defensive side of the ball this year? Today/yesterday at camp he was amazing. I’m excited to have a big corner, here’s to hoping he stays healthy.

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Aug 3, 2009 12:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I like Bowman a lot , and hope he stays helthy and does big things...

But, we need #54, #55, and #91 to be the best players on defense.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 3, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

F*ck that

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 3, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

oops didn't mean to type that.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 3, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, yes I did

F*ck that! (Yep, I’ve been drinking again)

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 3, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ok

whatever floats your boat

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 3, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am starting to get excited about Earl Bennett

But I don’t know how that’s going to work out yet. He better not be a training camp darling two years in a row.

by Sam Householder on Aug 3, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the exact same thing.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Aug 3, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

well he used to be a great "prospect"

the Broncos got impatient with him.

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 3, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

???

Huh?

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

he was one of their high draft picks in one of their drafts

correct me if im wrong, it might be somone else

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, are you talking about Earl Bennett

or did you reply to the wrong comment? Cause Chicago drafted Bennett last year.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh sorry

my brain isnt working right the last few days

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 5, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol no problem

I know the feeling.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Aug 5, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see him catch a pass when it counts first.

Then I’ll be glad to jump wherever the wagon is going!

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing...

I realized after hearing what one of the announcers in the video of the second day of training camp is another way Cutler helps our defense. We have all talked about how Cutler will be able to keep the offense on the field, thus keeping the defense fresh and on the sidelines. Another way Cutler helps, that I haven’t heard mentioned, is that he provides a more competitive camp, after going against Cutler every day, maybe our pass defense will have better luck against the Aaron Rodger’s and Big Ben’s of the world, because they have been practicing against an equally skilled QB.

by chase17 on Aug 3, 2009 2:30 AM CDT reply actions  

STS

Cutler is going to hopefully help the Bears score more points this year off of the field position. The past two years the Bears have had great field position only to stumble, and not take advantage of a shorter field.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Orlando Pace and Jay Cutler are impressing Ron Turner thus far."

That’s probably the most discouraging thing I’ve heard :)

But yeah, I’m thinking big things from Bennett too.

Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is John Paxson fired yet?
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
Is Dan O' Dowd fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Aug 3, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

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"Last year was really my first time playing receiver." He told me. "I never played in Pop Warner, high school or college. I never played receiver."

This always gets lost in the shuffle when trying to evaluate Hester’s progress as a WR. Keep this in mind when talking about his seemingly low number of catches, yards, and TDs before ripping on him or his contract.

He’s one of the smartest football players that I’ve ever been around." A fiery Drake barked at me. "Instinctively and as far as football smarts, it’s unbelievable.

So much for perception!

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

yep
So much for perception!

because coaches always tell the blunt truth. this may in fact be true, but don’t pretend the guy’s coach will give you the straight answer either way.

by mike b on Aug 3, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drake

Yeah but a coach is not going to overvalue his progress in hope he gets better through positive reinforcement. He’s only going to get better by seeing them on the field. Bty- you kind of contradicted yourself by saying “because coaches always tell the blunt truth,” and go on to say it’s coach-speak.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

sarcastic lead in

thought it was obvious.

Yeah but a coach is not going to overvalue his progress in hope he gets better through positive reinforcement

who says anything about that? he’s not going to call hester stupid to the media as long as he’s on the team. if saying he’s one of the smartest guys gets his confidence up they i have no doubt they would do it.

by mike b on Aug 3, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, wasn't sure.

I don’t think Drake will overestimate or inflate Hester’s ego or progress at this point, but who really knows.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I said a long time ago

when I got into it with someone who said “DB’s are DB’s (and not WR’s) because they don’t have good hands” -- a STUPID statement.

Hester learning how to play WR at the NFL level is incredibly difficult.

The jump from being a RB in college to being a RB in the NFL is relatively easy. The jump with a WR is much more difficult (more complex defenses, coverages, route running, offensive systems,etc).

Factor in a guy like Hester who’s never played the position before at all, and those dogging him last year were clueless.

by GeoMak on Aug 3, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

the thing that gets me the most is

it’s not like he didn’t perform last year, and ended up putting up some decent numbers… we all saw when the “light turned on” for him… unfortunately, it was towards the latter part of the season. if he progressed half as much as they claim, i’ll take it.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the only real question with Hester is

whether he’s worthy of a #1 receiver “title”. He might be, but let’s give him a chance to prove it or not. The off-season has been so long, since we missed the playoffs again, that we all seem to be trying to make final judgements on every player before training camp is even in full swing. Let’s see what they can do with pads on and in the pre-season games, that’s the only place it really counts.

by BearFan611 on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i guess only time will tell...

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The one that kills me is the

all he does is get pass interference calls:

A). It’s it’s not his fault he constantly has stop and go back to catch an underthrown ball, resulting in the DB trampling him and getting the flag.

B). I’ll take PI 30, 40, 50 yards downfield ALL day long.

Who cares? It’s ‘1st & 10’ way down the field. Yeah, there’s no YAC, but so what?

I hope Hester leads the NFL in PI calls this year.

by GeoMak on Aug 3, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully he won't have to

now that we have a qb that can actually hit him in stride. now that “supposedly” he can get off the jam, he’s gone. and please, someone correct me if i’m wrong, but, wasn’t he ALWAYS open on that fly route?

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I expect a MONSTER year from Hester/Cutler.

With guys like Forte, Olson, and Clark to keep the defense honest, I expect Hester to Kick Ass in 2009.

This man is supremely talented and he got used to the adoration in 2006/2007.

He missed that last year.

He’ll be back. He’ll be back.

by GeoMak on Aug 3, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of fantasy football

In every draft I’ve been in he has been the 3rd pick

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 3, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

who was picked??? or...

who was talking about fantasy football… isn’t there a couple of posts already talking about it? do we have to ruin this post too!!! btw, pierce is done testifying, jury is at lunch, then off to deliberate… eight months later.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why don’t you enjoy a wah-burger with french cries!

by rdent4hof on Aug 3, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

THEM RIGHT THERE IS FIGHTING WORDS!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

matt forte

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 3, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

WRECK!!!! and...

couldn’t help but notice how “LOVELY” her jeans are…

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your attention to detail is spectacular!

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

well i WAS using these!!!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

We need more pics like that here

(Maybe there should be a whole section)!

by GeoMak on Aug 3, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need

far less Fantasy Football and far more Fantasy Girlfirends!

by GeoMak on Aug 3, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH AND A QUICK BTW...
….where it’s Day 4 of training camp and we know the Vikings could only hope to land 11,000 fans on one day of their training camp.

dophins had 3,100 dolphin fans show up and joey porter says this:

“That [turnout] lets us know our fans have big expectations for us just like we have big expectations for ourselves. It’s our job to keep them here. We’ve got to win.”

if 3000 fans mean “they” need to win, what does 11,000 mean?

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Playoffs or bust

Coaching changes will need to take place cause the fans’ uproar will be heard from space.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Aug 3, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

It means that Joey Porter will use any reason he can find

to jump in front of a mic.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1
cause the fans’ uproar will be heard from space.

CLASSIC!!!! BUT NONE-THE-LESS TRUE!!!

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

oops!!!!

-1 for me…

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good job catching yourself.

You don’t want a Liaf now do you?

I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was ready and everyting.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Aug 3, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

well.... you know what they say...

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man, you're coming with the heat today.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Aug 3, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, i have you and ditkavs to thank so.......

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

that one kills me... but i guess i'll just "liaf" myself

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

it seems our 1st pick of the draft is making a name for himself...

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=5970

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

by windycity72 on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

lol Another great article

by Jerry Angelo Larry Mayer.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

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