Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Denver Game
by Dane Noble on Aug 31, 2009 8:00 AM CDT
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-We saw another great offensive performance last night, most notably from Jay Cutler, Greg Olsen, Desmond Clark, and Caleb Hanie. Matt Forte had a solid performance as well
-Trumaine McBride missed a couple of open field tackles.
-Rashied Davis stepped up big time on Special Teams play.
-In the first quarter, Jay Cutler had Olsen open for a first down pass, but opted for a deeper pass to Dez Clark for the conversion. That is confidence from a QB.
-I kept jotting down how good Pisa Tinoisamoa seems to be.
-Orlando Pace had his hands full... got beat several times in passing situations. Did not seem to be very nimble.
-Anthony Adams played smart football, staying at home on a reverse, and snuffing out pulling guards.
-Corey Graham shedded a block and made good open field tackles twice last night.
-Dez Clark is playing with a sense of urgency and aggressiveness. Will be more of a receiving threat than we may have thought. Ran hard after the catch.
-The DLine is definitely getting off the line fast, which is one of the main things Marinelli coaches.
-Jason McKie had several great lead blocks.
-The defense stopped the run in the first half, only giving up 6 yards. Second half, gave up several good runs.
-Al Afalava was quieter last night, but played very well in rushing situations in goal line stands.
-Johnny Knox beat Alphonso Smith for 43 yards... Smith was considered one of the best cover men in this year's draft class.
-Adrian Peterson ran very well... seemed much more aggressive with the football.
-Roberto Garza pulled out twice as lead blocker. Looked very strong, providing great blocks.
-When Cutler was interviewed on the sideline, and asked about the WR corp, he made a comment that he "doesn't know who we're gonna get." Was that a slip up? Are the Bears still looking to acquire someone?
-Briggs and Urlacher switched places twice in short yardage situations.
Who did you see step up last night? Who may have cost themselves a roster or starting spot?
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I took Cutler's comment differently
I wasn’t thinking, “Oh! He said they’re going after someone!” but more of a “Look, Ugly Lady, anything could still happen, but right now, I’m playing with these guys and they’re my primary concern”
by KDoggers on Aug 31, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
That’s how I took it. It was more like “I don’t know who I’m going to be throwing to.”
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
by EricEmpire on Aug 31, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at "Look, Ugly Lady"
Thats funny, nice job KDoggers. I also thought ,after hearing the comment, Cutler meant it as who we’re gonna get to step up and take the lead at the position from our current crop of receivers, considering the whole “we like what we’ve got mantra coming from the organization”. However considering Jay’s desire to have input on the receiving corp, perhaps there may be a little more to the story. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out
"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilbur Marshall LB Chicago Bears
by BearDown34 on Aug 31, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Michelle Tafoya's husband used to play DE for the Bears?
And the prevailing wind happens to be blowing from Vichy.
by xarker on Sep 1, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Joe tafoya
Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!
by Eaten by Bears on Sep 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Agree with eveything you noted.
Pisa is crazy fast for a big LB. Maybe have him at Mike and see if Urlacher can play free safety? (They’ve tried everybody else.)
Anthony Adams is a good football player. He was good last year, and is getting better. I don’t care that he looks like a troll. Sometimes you need a troll in the trenches.
SI.com had Caleb Hanie rated as the worst #2 QB in the NFL. Those guys are on crack. Hanie looks in control and throws nice passes. He is not Tom Brady, but he sure looks OK to me.
You can write all the stories in the world about how Brandon Rideau is tall and made great catches in Bbonnais, but he’s not getting any balls in real games.
Aromatherapy, on the other hand, split double coverage deep and was headed for a TD, except Cutler threw it behind him. Still took a nice lay by the D to stop him. Looked good.
Hats off to Dez Clark. Overshadowed by Olsen, still playing very hard and very well. The guy is clutch.
Kevin Payne is still flying into piles recklessly. He will hurt himself, and sometimes he knocks his own teammates off the ballcarrier as they are trying to make a tackle. He needs top control that agression a little bit and just wrap up.
Tommi looked good moving side to side. Now need to see if he can get penetration.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 31, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right
Pisa is about 225, not a big linebacker.
Urlacher can play safety as well, he played it in college and was slated to be drafted as a safety by some pro teams.
"Chance favors the prepared mind." - Pasteur
by Maelvampyre on Aug 31, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played the "Lobo" poition
which is a combo between a strong safety and a middle linebacker. New Mexico basically ran a 4-2-5, with Urlacher being the 5th “DB” in their base defense.
Basically, you couldn’t ask for better preparation for a Tampa-2 MLB than that.
He also returned punts for UNM!!!
by torch on Aug 31, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other Observations
Glancing across the field at the other sideline,did anyone else find the whole “mini” hoodie thing a little disturbing? C’mon McDaniels, you don’t have to smooch THAT rear end anymore, your on your own now. I mean the entire football watching world is aware of who you are a disciple of, be your own individual. You could take a page from the great Iron Mike Ditka. Nobody rocked a suit and tie while simultaneously throwing clipboards, peeling a players ass like a ripe bananna on the sidelines, flipping someone the bird and chucking baseball sized wads of gum at heckling fans. Damn, Ditka was awesome,lol.
"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilbur Marshall LB Chicago Bears
by BearDown34 on Aug 31, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You've got that Right
It looks ridiculous on Belichick — even worse on a wannabe. Make your own statement. Maybe dress like a grown-up.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 31, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more about McDaniels and his hoodie but
Ditka wore the shirt and tie to emmulate Tom Landry (by his own admission) because he thought it might calm him down on the sidelines….obviously, he was mistaken. True story though.
by BearFan611 on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir
BearFan611 I had forgetten about that admission and I have to tell you from reading some of your comments on this site I am quite impressed at you recall of details from that wonderful era of Bears history. Making me think that you hae been following this organization closely for quite a long time, yes? LOL@ obviously he was mistaken, by the way.
"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilbur Marshall LB Chicago Bears
by BearDown34 on Aug 31, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Tom Landry ever break his own hand by punching a locker after a loss? Heh.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
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by Spongie on Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't get why he wears that hoodie
check my sig. That’s all you need to know.
Who knew being a hobo could be so cool. :)
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for you sir
I was hoping to see a response from you on this, considering the reference to a certain Man/God of coaching. Of course, you didn’t fail to bring it with the high quality wit and humor I have quickly become accustomed to from you . Nicely done
"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilbur Marshall LB Chicago Bears
by BearDown34 on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read Ditka
I must respond. It’s like his standing behind me blowing cigar smoke in my face… telling me " YOU TELL THAT SONOFABITCH WHAT THE F*CK I’M ALL ABOUT". Then he punches me in the head with his superbowl ring. The man has fists like a jack hammer.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Just awesome
"They better get another quarterback cuz we're comin"-#58 Wilber Marshall LB Chicago Bears
by BearDown34 on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
his= he’s.
I’m not even drinking. That’s just a poor effort on my part. Uh oh….
more hammer fists….
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're great!
I’m wanting you to give that message to Ditka of course…
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did.
He then proceded to smack me in the head with a clipboard and went off on a rant about the HOF and Richard Dent. Way to set him off with your screen name.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just called me juicebox.
Now I have to get him a juicebox.
You see what you’ve done.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
know….
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pace looked terrible, but Devin got his groove back
Elvis beat Pace like a drum all during the 1st half – looked like an old man on crutches out there, quite worrying to see. But Hester looked awesome on that return – how great if he gets back to that type of contribution on Special Teams? I don’t care if he turns out to be an average receiver, that plus KO help makes him a double threat.
by Waylon on Aug 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Against bigger DE's
Pace will be fine. As for the smaller, faster DE’s… Pace and Ron Turner need to get that figured out quick.
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..
Doesn’t he go against our “small quick DEs” in practice?
This isn’t something that’s new.
Although he did look to calm down a bit when they figured out how to combat the 3-4 blitzing. We’ll see how he looks against Kampman and go from there.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
by EricEmpire on Aug 31, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
Our DEs are quick but I wouldn’t call them small.
Dumerville and Freeney, the shorter DEs is who I was thinking. It may be tough for Pace getting leverage on guys with that type of build.
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Pace knows he's bad against smaller guys
Collinsworth said Pace mentioned it to him during the week. Since Pace is so gigantic he has trouble getting leverage against small guys but I think with the experience he has it’s good he knows his own weaknesses and that way he can get better or help the other guys cover for him, etc.
by GallopingGhost on Aug 31, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god
for Cutler’s mobility. I think in the regular season we will (hopefully) see a better effort against players from this type of scheme, or a smaller stature. He’ s probably well aware of what the consensus is for his performance last night and I’m sure he’ll try to improve on that in the coming weeks.
Still credit needs to be given to Elvis for his play, the guy is no slouch.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another good point, dude
Dumerville is a good football player.
by SC Dave on Aug 31, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumervil...
should get a huge ass fine, for that late hit.
by chase17 on Aug 31, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just have Pace
pop the shorter guys on the head. Two or three of them and they will be a little slower coming around big ol’ Pace
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 31, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I very much agree with you. Pace look great against he Giants. I dont really think they need to sub him out against smaller DE’s. I am pretty sure Pace will be able to step it up.
by The Fastest Forte on Aug 31, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did look good against those guys.
Plus Cutler’s mobility will help the situation…
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip block from TE or have the RB put a block on that side before release for check down
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 31, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elvis D is no slouch though when it comes to a pass rush
I knew he was good, but I didn’t know that out of the 2006 Draft Class only Mario Williams has more sacks
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by ThorCo on Aug 31, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game last night
I thought Cutler looked good and I thought Hester’s return for an almost TD was exciting – good to see him returning like that (as long as he doesn’t do it against the Vikes). I didn’t think Orton looked that bad though on the other side. It was the first time I watched him in preseason and I had heard and read terrible things, but he looked alright.
by Figgs on Aug 31, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Orton has looked "alright" for most of his career.
You’ve heard and read terrible things because Denver isn’t used to “alright”. Their used to “SIZZLE”!
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The story of Orton's life
He looked alright. Sure, he plays with the hand was dealt but it’s just not good enough. For a team to consistantly win with him you would need one hell of a defense.
by Big Ike on Aug 31, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hester's return was good to see, but
his two previous PR’s were terrible. The first he didn’t fair catch and it rolled for an extra 20 yards. The second he fair caught a line drive inside the five, which would have easy rolled inti the end zone. They need to work on his decision making.
by BatCubFan on Aug 31, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didnt think the one that rolled forever was catchable
But the fair catch inside the 5 is unacceptable. But if he returns some to the house this year, you wont be complaining about a few miscues trust me. Its when he doesnt return one all season is when everyone starts to turn on him for boneheaded decisions like that.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Aug 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
When I guy is hitting Home Runs, people forgive him for all the Strike Outs.
by DDigital on Aug 31, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stepping Up
I will rave once again about Aromashodu. He split two defenders in the first half and would have had a great TD reception if not broken up at last second. This Timo guy can hit! I really am starting to like watch this guy along with Briggs. Adrian Peterson stepped up and let us know why he is too valuable to lose as a back up. Adams showed flashes of his former self. Marcus Harrison was looking good. Lovie Smith stood out to me as Defensive Coordinator.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kept hearing Timo being called all night by Chris
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 31, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t DA fault,it was a bad pass from Cutler.He threw way behind him and he didn’t lead him into the pass. DA had to adjust and only a few players can make that catch.
by bears rock on Aug 31, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pick up the Pace
I still dont know why we picked up Pace. I know, I know, he was a pro bowler for several seasons and used to be the man. Last night showed us that anyone with a lil speed is gonna be blowin right past him. Even when faced with a straight on bull rush by the “smaller, quicker DE” he was gettin pushed around. hope they can get Pace up to speed and back into pro bowl form. I am excited about having Cutler and would hate to know what those Chef’s fans are going through with Cassel, just because Pace let him get hit too many times.
by PapaBear76 on Aug 31, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Pace............How Do I Say This?
He needs to be moved inside to Guard. He is too slow to play tackle and showed it last night. He still can play at a pro bowl level and can still dominate. He just can’t do it from the tackle position, he has lost a step. If we do nothing regarding this problem, Jay’s left side will be exposed all year. I think this may be the reason the Rams let him go.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“would hate to know what those Chef’s fans are going through with Cassel, just because Pace let him get hit too many times”
I’m confused
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not overreact yet
He looked good in the first two games, and it’s well knows he can struggle with his knee-bend against smaller DE/LBs like Dumervil.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be fine
against 90% of the DE’s in the league. It’s those 5’10" 260lb guys who are gonna give the 6’7" Pace some trouble. It’s understandable. Guys like that are like wrecking balls, very hard to stop. They have such a low center of gravity that they can up-root much taller O-Linemen who just can’t get low enough to get leverage on them. It’s physics.
That’s why you constantly hear coaches talking about Pad Level.
Like someone else said, against those guys we just need to have a TE or RB throw in a chip block before going out on a check down route to help Pace out. We did it a lot last year to help make up for the averageness of St. Claire. This year, we will only have to do it occasionally, when facing these kind of DE’s.
by DDigital on Aug 31, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not being pessimistic but....
Jay did a lot of JUMPING while throwing the ball… almost ALL were completions but can Bad Mechanics bite him in the ass in the long run?
I Agree, Pace got beat out the gate at least 75% of the time!!! Elvis exposed him! And wasnt that a HOLD when he was riding Elvis in the endzone toward JAY?!?!?
Pisa just trumped Hunter to me!! I LOVED Hunter’s play back in the day but PISA is a BEAST!
They need to give Kevin Payne the nickname “The Scud Missle” cause I swear he flies into the screen and just “BAM”… could be bad but is usually GOOD! Had some nice stops tho!
Kyle Orton had a Kyle Orton game!!! I thought he did great!!! No Turnovers, managed the game well… not even a bad decision!!! Jay threw one thru the hands of a defender a couple times and bad decisions like that can sometimes BITE!!!
ALL IN ALL…..
Cannot WAIT for thsi season to start!!!!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Jones: I'm still waiting
Anybody else still waiting to see what Kevin Jones has got to offer? It looks like he did face a lot of blitzes last night, and Forte didn’t look great while rushing, either. I hope we get a bruiser of a fullback in the near future; I’m not so sure about Jones being the best compliment to Forte.
LOVED Hester’s return, but hated the fair catch and the ducked punt.
Evidently the WRs weren’t getting much separation as Forte received the most receptions again while Hester tied with the two TEs.
Dez Clark looked like he was having a lot of fun out there dancing around and hopping on one foot trying to get extra yardage. I like that.
Who was that priestly looking figure in the all black suit on the sidelines?
by Loathie Smith on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya, still waiting (Kevin Jones)
We’ve heard a ton of great things on him from camp and have yet to see it this pre-season… He seems to have very poor vision when picking a hole.
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ughh..
he is slow as molasses..I am very worried about our number 2 rb to spell Forte. We need to scour the waiver wire for a #2. If we could find a cap casualty i would have no problem cutting KJ loose. He brings nothing to the gameplan..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
took cutlers comment
as they didn’t know who would make the team or not.
by mike b on Aug 31, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler needs some PR coaching.
Needs to go to the school of “Lovie Speak.”
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 31, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he cut down on the number of "ya know"s this time
He sounded more comfortable and confident than in many of his previous interviews, which were generously peppered with “Ya know”. Only when they turned the topic to Brandon Marshall did the “Ya know” routine resume.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Aug 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to learn how to avoid answering questions he shouldn't answer....
Like his head coach does.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Aug 31, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did You See His Smile?
When Andrea Krammer asked Cutler about Brandon Marshall? Could we read into something from that? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw that grin.
And I think it’s because he thinks it’s funny that the Broncs are being bitch slapped by another player.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went to
The “Frank Thomas school of interviews..”
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Vandy education at it's finest!
The sun will shine in '69
by gaclaudy on Aug 31, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KJ
He sucks so bad i want AP back. Why does it take lovie so long to realize a mistake?
P.S. even a good coach can get canned next off season for the likes of Shannahan, Cowlher, Chuckie so lovie better protect his neck
by WavyGravy on Aug 31, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What no Holmgren?
Besides, given the trend of winning young coaches plus the fact that they’re way cheaper, the Bears would likely sign some youngblood to be new head coach.
by Loathie Smith on Aug 31, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payne
I said it a couple times last night, but does anyone else notice Payne’s horrible attempts at tackling. He always tries to tackle upper body and it may work on Buckhalter, but it won’t work on better RBs. It is like you are playing Madden and using the hit stick. Yea sometimes its awesome, but sometimes you whiff and the opponent sprints down the field for a TD.
Additionally, anyone worried about Kevin Jones, DON’T! He is a good back and it is pre-season. AP racked up yards against scrubs last night. I think the Bears were showcasing AP because he is now trying out for other teams. Sad, but it sounds like he won’t make the cut.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forte got something like 21 yards on 9 carries, so we weren’t exactly opening up the running game much early on. Hence, Kevin Jones didn’t do much either. The overreaction is just that.
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by Spongie on Aug 31, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to back posts
And also, every play DA was in the game, Jay looked his way FIRST. I would move him into the lock category for our #3 WR.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Agree With You Brands
DA was looking good again and if Cutler lead him a little more, he catches a fifty yarder for six splitting the defenders. Payne looks terrible. He’s always a day late and a dollar short. Payne is always good at getting to the ball carrier 1 second after everybody else and laying on a lick. The problem is he could not cover his Grandma. We need to get him out of there. He sucks.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payne looks terrible?
I have to disagree with you there. Payne was back at SS last night with Afalava at FS which I didn’t like because I was enjoying those two positions swapped but he showed good coverage when he was at FS and broke up a few passes and gave a few good licks. If I’m not mistaken I believe he led our D in tackles last season and proved to be a very capable SS even though I want him at FS. Go back and watch the Bears-Giants game from last week and focus on his play, you might just change your mind about him.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 31, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t gotten a good read on his coverage, I am just talking about his tackling. I honestly don’t know how coaches are not on him for this. He does not wrap up! It is fundamental and a safety NEEDS to wrap up. They call them safety because they are the last man before the endzone. In order to keep us safe, he needs to work on his form tackling so he doesn’t get runover anymore this season and cost us 6 pts.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payne was awful in coverage last year
and I ripped him for it. But i have noticed a marked improvement this year in the angles he is taking and is making plays on the ball which is what we need. Not sold yet but anything is better than letting people catch the ball in front of you 25 yards down field..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall the team didnt look bad...
But Kyles QB rating was over 90.
Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!
by Eaten by Bears on Aug 31, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh and Mark Anderson had a Sack!!!!
Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!
by Eaten by Bears on Aug 31, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know about the sack issues..
whenever the Bears get a sack it seems like it’s when the QB is moving up in the pocket about to scramble because he was tired of sitting in the pocket for 5 minutes. They rarely just get off the blocks and sack the QB.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of sacks are made just like that
DEs are suppose to flush out the QB, while the DTs collapse the pocket. I’ll take sacks however they come.
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His rating was that high
but he threw for 0 TDs. With our patchwork secondary, I’d give up a passer rating of 90+ all year if we could keep them out of the endzone.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 31, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
since most of his throws were underneath or bubble screens. Let’s not forget that we still abide by the bend/don’t break/get turnover theory..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i saw maybe 1 deep pass n that was to royal everything else was short
n as long as we dont give up many points our offense will carry us
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle's QB rating was 89.6.
See here.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Bad I had him at 13/16
Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!
by Eaten by Bears on Sep 1, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today On The Score AM670
I did predict Devin Hester would break one for fifty yards or more. Today on the score they are saying Devin should be moved back to Kick Returner where he belongs and they should move Greg Olsen to Wide Receiver in Hester’s spot. I could not agree more.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against that,
but I don’t think it will ever happen. The possibilities though are almost too good to hope for personnel wise.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why can't Hester just do both?
I don’t think Olsen would be down with that.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Can't Do Both
Because it overwhelms him.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bears offense...
uses multiple TE sets, then Hester can be the #3 guy and only come in on passing downs on the wide side iso or the slot where he is most effective. This limits his WR reps without eliminating them. Throw in a few “Wildcat” or other trick plays once in a while and we are set. Then he wil be fresh for punt and KO duties and he is used most effectively. Now to get us a legit #1 WR.
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it a rest
He’s a WR and has been solid, but everyone is clamoring like he’s done badly. Olsen as a WR is a horrible idea because it negates his athleticism matchup against safeties and OLBs. If a CB is defending him he’ll be much less effective in the passing game.
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Most knowledgable fans are seeing Deven Hester is never going to develop into a number 1 receiver type. And Olsen causes mathup problems as well.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So What?
Why does he need to be a “#1” receiver? He is still very valuable as a receiver. That 3rd down he picked up is exactly what we need. We don’t need Devin on kickoffs — Manning is great and Knox would be as well. We do need Devin on punt returns, though. I predict he’ll be fine on punts, and still contribute as a receiver with some big plays.
by Shuffle85 on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to just disagree with you
We agreed earlier but I also disagree with this. I think Devin could be a formidable #1 guy and I am a knowledgable fan. We don’t need him to be Andre Johnson and he never will be. He won’t be Fitz. But he can be Steve Smith.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's premature to not call him a good WR
No one knows whether or not he’ll be a #1 WR, but one thing we do know is that he’ll be a solid receiver overall. I’ve repeated this many times, but this is only his 2nd full season as a WR ever. Everyone within the organization has said that he’s made tremendous strides since last season, so it’s reasonable to think he’ll continue to improve as he matures into a main role.
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have seen nothing "solid"
out of him yet. there’s a sample size issue there, so i guess we’ll see. i personally think he will play himseof out of the number 1 role as olsen plays better and better.
by mike b on Aug 31, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One season as a full-time WR is a very, very small sample.
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sample size with Cutler
and the new OLine is even smaller.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 31, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minuscule size
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to the show as well
but I believe they were talking about Olsen having the most receptions, not moving him to the #1 spot. I don’t recall them ever talking about switching Olsen from TE to WR. They even talk about how much of a beast he is at TE, partially because of the mismatches he creates, predicting that he’ll have a Pro Bowl season at that position.
wake me in September...
by ChiTown2ShineIn'09 on Aug 31, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a good game
Elvis looked really quick, it’s so hard for Pace to get low enough while pass blocking, more so now that he’s older.
Pisa was a great pickup
the second half defense looked to be playing a bit softer by design, those bigger runs don’t concern me
Peterson was running against guys that will be unemployed in a few weeks, but I still liked his effort. I wouldn’t mind Peterson sticking around and Wolfe getting cut for an extra TE or WR
by wiltfongjr on Aug 31, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pace,
wont have to face many rushers that short this year. I’m not really worried about that either.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more worried about KJ...
but the Pace thing worries me only in the fact that Turner did nothing to get Pace some help or to run at Elvis directly.
Can KJ spell Forte this year? I am tarting to wonder more each week.
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tarting=starting
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by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't it look like
he runs away from the holes?
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to hit the holes...
and, yes, it does look like he runs away now that you mention it. I wonder where he is going and why he is running parallel to the LOS so often. Then again, I am confused easily, maybe that’s it!
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by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup that's it!
It’s all coming together now ;-)
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that an NWA album from the 80s?...
Or was it Luke Skywalker?…
Damn, I’m old!
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by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you,
I just posted about that in the Den. I don’t think KJ has done anything to prove that he is worthy of being handed the #2 spot.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I don’t think KJ can spell Forte. I want to bottom line this thing. If you get cut from the worst team in football,(LIONS), then you probably lack the talent needed to play in the NFL.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry yet
Kevin Jones had a serious knee injury that I don’t understand because I am not a doctor. He ran for over 1,000 yards as a rookie on the “worst team in football”. His release was not because he wasn’t talented.
People are really this judgmental about one pre season game? Kevin Jones is a GOOD backup running back. Adrian Peterson was running against 3rd and 4th stringers (guys that may not make the team). Jones only had a few carries and it was after Cutler was out and against their #1 defense. Let’s not jump to conclusions because of one pre-season game
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Kevin Jones can be a phenomenal back, I just think they need to start running him up the middle and not to the outside.
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by EricEmpire on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe Jones needs to stop running to the outside...
If you catch my meaning.
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
We have BARELY seen him yet. He had 3 carries for 11 yards last night. He averages 4 yards a carry for his career with most of those carries on the Lions. He is a good spell and I doubt his position on the team will change because AP played well against back ups.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still hopeful,
but would like to see more… soon.
by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your concern is recognized and appropriate
But he hasn’t had a whole lot of opportunities. AP had 4 times as many carries last night during garbage time.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me of a LB version of Mike Brown.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea before Brown started getting injured
thats true hard hitter quick and smart
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just kinda always in the right spot doing the clean up work.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe
out of the 3 LBs urlacher has played the worst this preseason
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I would move him the safety and put Hunter in the middle. Just kidding. Seriously Urlacher is a poor tackle and has become clumsy in his older age.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this must be disheartening for bears fans, but i agree. urlacher didn’t really show me anything, except for a bunch of blitzing up the middle
pisa looks like a fantastic pickup though!
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you trade Urlacher?
I mean LB’s are not that hard to find. You could move Hunter in the middle and draft or sign a MLB. Just a thought.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a #1WR, yes...
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the dude in AZ?
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe Marshall
although he brings a lot of baggage
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could hire a bellboy!!!...
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by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
y not tony dungy
he could be an advisor to marshall like he is to vick
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eatin' souls and readin' minds!!!...
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by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt this season
maybe after the season n saw how he played throughout the season
PISA play MLB in St. Louis so maybe he can replace Urlacher
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly Urlacher sucks at shedding blocks.
I think Hunter has even looked better than him.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno. wouldn’t trading an urlacher almost be equivalent to trading a cutler?
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Cutler is barely entering his prime
Urlacher has maybe 2 years left
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
but i was thinking more along the lines of the “franchise player” aspect
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
Cutler on Offense n Briggs on defense
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in my eyes
I just don’t know if he plays with the fire in his gut anymore..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at his approach
and then look at Ray Lewis. Night and day intensity wise..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really because the Bears are pretty deep at LB and
LB’s aren’t that hard to find. Plus Urlacher is getting kinda old.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could plug in Jamar Williams
and not miss a beat..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it now before the League catches on...
or have they?
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
figured.
he’s had that overrated tag for a few years.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just hope
its preseason n Urlacher not playing 100 percent
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I mean i have noticed this for the last couple of years..
he’s not the same player anymore. When have you seen Urlacher dominate like he did his first 4 seasons?
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a Broncos fan
I think Pisa and Adams stood out of defense while Clark, Olsen and Forte stood out on offense. your run defense looks stout. if you guys can shore up the pass D, the o-line, and get some reliable WRs, this could be a really good team
good luck to you guys this season
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both starting CBs have been out
plus D. Manning may still end up starting at FS. I think the pass-defense will tighten up with those additions, and the D-line getting consistent pressure like they’ve shown so far.
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by propheteer on Aug 31, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well good luck to u guys too
although you will suffer with mediocre QB play n well hope that orton injury isnt too bad
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i saw
him play at Fresno State n was ok but not NFL talent lol it would suck if he starts the opener
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might, depending on orton’s injury. i thought it was just a cut, but rumors are swirling about a fracture
i bet the broncs go after kevin o’connell this week
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
o'connell
well i believe hes a slight upgrade plus he doesnt know the broncos system as well as Brandstater n opening week is in 2 weeks
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the broncos and patriots systems are very similar. plus i think McD was pretty big on O’Connell (drafted in the 3rd round)
i doubt he’d be ready or anything, and this is all speculation
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yea
i agree McD was with him in nw england so yea maybe
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin O
won’t fall to the Broncos.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any thoughts on Wolfe?
I’m reading a lot of AP love poems above. The only thing I remember of Wolfe from the game was a pass to him in the flats, that was underthrown, but he made no play for it. I really want to like this guy and see him fit in the offense, but i might just be drinking too much…
by EvilKaramazov on Aug 31, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He had a KR
I like Wolfe too, I just don’t think that he is big enough for the NFL. Great on ST, there could be a package that they put in for him, but he would never be able to spell Forte, Jones. or AP, if there were injuries and he had to go in as a 3 down back.
He’s got a great heart and you have to admire him for his work ethic.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t think that he is big enough for the NFL.
Explain Darren Sproles. I don’t think size is his problem. I think AP is a better runner 3rd RB and a comparable ST guy.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. NOW GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How else do you explain his inability to break tackles...
or remain upright after any contact, if not his size? Is it a balance thing?
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
by LostInSTL on Aug 31, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I can tell
Wolfe runs where the hole is suppose to be and if it’s not there, he doesn’t seem to go anywhere else. I don’t know if you can equate strength and size as the same thing but maybe he just lacks the strength. I can’t explain him. I was hoping he’d do better but I just don’t think a package of 5 plays est. is a good enough reason to keep him. AP is a better runner and like a i said a comparable ST player.
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sproles is a great back,
Some of the great ones can’t be explained. That said, we’ll see how long Sproles lasts. For every 1 Sproles there are thousands of busts.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don’t think he last all that long, but it just shows lack of size doesn’t always equal lack of production. And MJD being brought up was another great example. And Barry Sanders was no giant himself.
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it is a function of his height,
maybe more weight distribution? MJD and Sproles seem to have lower centers of gravity and the ability to break tackles. Payton wasn’t a huge back either, a little taller, but weighed less than MJD and probably about the same as Sproles? He broke tackles though, had better vision, and in general initiated contact with defenders causing him to seldomly ever be knocked backwards.
I see Wolfe’s legs churning, but he falls backward frequently at this level.
None of these guys, except Payton, can be compared to Barry Sanders. Barry was the most elusive back I have ever seen, probably of all time.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually Sproles is probably an inch shorter but..
he is a load for his size and breaks tackles. He probably outweighs GW by 20 lbs..put GW on the juice..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolfe
is a good ST player but thats about it hes too small to be a RB n well AP is also a good ST player and a better RB so i see him beating out Wolfe if team keeps 3 RBs
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if Wolfe is still on this team I'll be disappointed.
I have seen a QB and it was good.
by SoulEater7 on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Time To Trim The Roster
Sadly kevin Jones or Wolfe remain because of the lack of depth at the position. My vote goes to Wolfe to be cut.
by Gesiakob on Aug 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolfe will be out
Jones is higher in the depth chart
by BEARSFAN19 on Aug 31, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Briggs looked like he was shot out of
A cannon on a few plays. Faster than ever.
I don’t understand defensive schemes too we’ll, but I’m confused with how they are using Urlacher. His great attributes are speed from sideline to sideline and his ability to drop 20 yards and make plays defending the pass. He does not shed blocks well and certainly has never shown the ability to rush the QB from the middle. With that said he was lined up time and time again straight up over a OG who outweighs him by 50 pounds. I don’t get it. That doesn’t seem like a good use of his talents. If he’s going to blitz wouldn’t it be better to start him 5 yards deep to let him get a head of steam and look for a crack in the line versus just running straight into a lineman? Or is that a designed run blitz so the lineman can’t get the head of steam and steamroll #54?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
by Duck99 on Aug 31, 2009 1:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think that Wolfe played as well as AP. I know AP knows what it is to be a backup, knows whatit is to be ST, knows what its like to be a character player never really going to be #1.
Issue I have with Wolfe’s situation is that he hasn’t a) stood out, b) gotten the reps required to show his talents (IMHO), c) has played enough ST during the preseason to challenge AP. I’m not sold on Jones, even when he was #1 in Detroit I always felt he was slow. AP made some gashes last night leading to a TD was great to see… but he does not have the finesse Wolfe has…. I think overall Wolfe would be a better spilt for Forte than either Jones or AP.
I also believe I read somewhere either Lovie of Offencive Co-or menioning this would be the year for Wolfe to make a move… not that they will do that… it was more like THIS IS THE TIME FOR Wolfe to change gears and step up. AP and Jones have more real time experience but I don’t like either one more than Wolfe.
I see Aromashadu as a fixed WR this year. Splayed all over the place in the NYG game, and tough non-catch near the endzone last night…. can we say Davis is out yet? How long they going to play his number?
I like Hester, Knox, Aromashadu, Bennett (though still waiting for Big Time things to happen for him) as Top 4. If they had gotten rid of Davis earlier in camp I would have been all for getting Harrison as Teacher. Now its too close to the season I think.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Aug 31, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Jones pre-season stats thus far:
For all to see that KJ is not being judged solely on one preseason game. I’m not impressed. Am I worried, not really, just not impressed. As I stated earlier, I’d much rather have a bruising fullback/ Forte tandem. Perhaps I just haven’t seen KJ run hard yet.
v. Bills: 6 carries 16 yards 2.7 yards per carry
v. Giants: 8 carries 25 yards 3.1 yards per carry
v. Broncos: 3 carries 11 yards 3.7 yards per carry
by Loathie Smith on Aug 31, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruising Fullback
We don’t really have one?
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen much of Will Ta'ufo'ou
Was hoping he would eventually be great for us. Now I am starting to suspect that he will be Practice Squad fodder or cut.
For all the hating that Mckie has had to suffer for those FB Dives that he didn’t call and everyone, including my football hating girlfriend at the time, knew was coming. He has actually been a pretty reliable FB. Not a great ball carrier, but fairly reliable check down receiver and above average blocker.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all that impressive.
Kinda thought he would be getting more carries than that though.
Thanks for the stats.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way,
where was the jason Mckie fullback dive last night?? i know Chifan was on the edge of his seat waiting for it..
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
3rd and 1 a couple times and they THREW the ball! We have a QB now. We can do stuff like that.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine how well
the fullback dive will work now. It’ll be as effective as it is in Madden!
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by EricEmpire on Aug 31, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... U guys give up quickly!!!
Trade Urlacher? Give up on KJ? What’s wrong with you guys? Last year Kevin wasn’t 100% after MAJOR surgery nor did he know the system…. Same with Urlacher (as far as surgery goes)!!! AP hasn’t run well against any 1st stringers since TJ & CB were back there and Cedrick made EVERYONE else look good!!! (all preseason he’s been putting it on the carpet for Cinci!) But DAMN AP plays well on special teams!!! Same with Rasheed!!!! That’s what makes them deserving of their spots!!! Special Teams has been our bread and butter since Hester came along… no sense in giving up on that whole phase for some untested people to earn BACKUP roles on Offense or Defense!!! And Hester’s decline had ALOT to do with losing Brendon Ayanbedajo…. go back and watch ALL of Hester’s run backs…. he makes MULTIPLE blocks….. and was a kick ass GUNNER too ( I won bets with friends all during the super bowl season cuz I would call that “94” would be the 1st to the ball on kickoff!!!) Honestly… In my opinion…. even tho he’s played well when he IS healthy… Dusty should be cut IMMEDIATELY… I was PISSED about Mike Brown being cut and he was finally looking like his old self but there willing to give a guy who’s played WAY less games but injured just as much another shot?? Gimmie a break!!! Watch the video of Mike Brown’s Interview after the 1st game of the 20087season and Lorenzo Neal blew his knee out on a blown holding call….. Dusty doesn’t know how to be a BEAR like Mike Brown did!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7gTobIhEBY
I get a tear EVERYTIME I WATCH IT!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that they are both at 100% health..
What is their excuse for their poor play??
by tfrabotta on Aug 31, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
simply not being the starter and amogst ALL the starters!!
simple…
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this preseason at least.....
so far….
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess that doesnt hold so much for Urlacher..
but I’ll take a 75% Urlacher over a nobody ANYDAY!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are no excuses,
Haven’t seen KJ do anything to seperate himself from AP or Wolfe on this team.
Urlacher is a completely different issue. He has veteran status and seniority on this team. Despite the fact that he has had two down years in a row, he has performed at the highest levels before. This is the pre-season and Urlacher even at 80% is better than 90% of LB’s in the league.
Plus I think he will be playing at better than 80%.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were some people
talking about giving up on Urlacher above this. I don’t see how we could do that. Giving up on KJ is different, he hasn’t actually proven anything yet.
by Fridge72 on Aug 31, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that.... Fridge....
but I hate giving up on people after 1 year… like… Brandon Lloyd… what was the point of bringing him in then??? Kevin was rehabbing and learning the system… allow him THIS YEAR to F it up and then maybe I’ll jump on that bandwagon!!!! And Honestly… Wolfe has been a 100% Special Teams player to me.. I dont NOT believe he is another Darrren Sproles… But as I said before… Special Teams is VERY IMPORTANT to the Chicago way of football lately… and we need STARTERS for that phase as well… Wolfe, Peterson & Davis have all proven themselves VERY VALUABLE…. at least in THAT department!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats how Vikings are treating....
BRETT FAVRE!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vikings would take a 75% Favre over....
apparently a 100% T. Jack & Sage!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Aug 31, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speak of the old man, Favre has broken ribs…and Mario Williams and DeMeco Ryans owe him one after Jared Allen took Schaub out of the game with a cheap shot low blow last year.
by brands735 on Aug 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Tremain McBride off my football team!
How many times does this guy need to get burned in the open field? I lost count of how many times he was last to the pile. Later Tremain.
by Behind the Cheese Curtain on Aug 31, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how..
Every time our D was out we kept hearing…“Tinoisamoa with the tackle” :D
by Pretender85 on Sep 1, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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