Addressing Some Snubs From My Top 10

When I was asked to do "The 10 Most Important Bears in 2009", I knew it'd provide some good chatter during the off season leading up to training camp. I also knew these types of lists are so subjective and there would be no way I'd get it 100% "right" or "wrong" for that matter, which is why I really didn't argue with any suggestions or disagreements, because everyone has their own ideas and criteria for who would important for the 2009 season.
I was a bit torn on adding coaches to the list, as I've said before it's up to the players to make plays, but with the potential impact and with the way the organization was trumpeting Rod Marinelli as the D-Line coach and Lovie Smith taking over defensive play calling I felt they needed to be on there.
One thing I realized as I was compiling the Top 10 was every Bear on my list has an air of uncertainty surrounding them. Whether it was bouncing back from an injury, living up to potential, or trying to regain their past form. It wasn't my intention when I started out, it just kind of ended up that way.
Anyway, on to some snubs...
In regards to the defensive ends, by putting Rod Marinelli at #8 I was addressing any improvements the ends would make. If Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, or Mark Anderson has a big year, everyone will immediately point to the acquisition of Marinelli as the reason why. It may not be true, but that is the story people will run with. "D-Line Guru Pays Dividends"
Personally I think Alex Brown will have his best year as a pro, he's always seemed to me like a very technically sound player, and with the push he'll get from Marinelli I think he'll blossom into a guy that could be Pro Bowl bound. He has been an alternate Pro Bowler in the past, so the jump isn't that unlikely.
Leaving Lance Briggs off the list was more due to his consistency and playing at a Pro Bowl level. I just expect him to do it again. Do I think he's an important part of the defense? Hell yes, I just think replacing the weak side linebacker is easier than replacing the middle linebacker in what the Bears do.
Placing a player that wasn't even listed as a starter at the time and who was having difficulties switching positions were the main reasons I left off Corey Graham. I do think he's a good football player and will see plenty of action (either at CB or FS), I just couldn't justify him on the list.
Charles Tillman kind of falls in the Lance Briggs category. I just expect him to be there and play as good as he can. Even with this latest setback I take him at his word that he'll be back around week 1. Obviously with the injury I might reconsider moving Nathan Vasher a bit up the list, but as it was I felt 10 was a good spot for him.
Olin Kreutz is another guy I just expect to be there all 16 games, he may not be the player he was, but he's still damn good.
Staying with the offense now, Earl Bennett was suggested by a few for this list. While I'm sure the Bears are counting on him to produce in his second year, I can't see his addition playing that big a role in the Bears success. I can see Bennett getting around 30-40 receptions for about 500 yards. Good numbers for a second year player, but not good enough to warrant inclusion on my top 10. If the Bears were going into the season expecting him to breakout and become the #1 receiver then I'd have him on there somewhere.
Greg Olsen was a guy that I tried to find a place for, but ultimately his talent led me to keep him off. I'll explain. Most NFL "experts" are predicting Olsen to be Jay Cutler's top target and most Fantasy Football sights are starting to throw Olsen in with the elite tight ends in the game. And I think most Bears fans are just kind of penciling him in for Pro Bowl berth right now, I know I am. With everyone expecting him to breakout, and with the quality of TE's on the roster, I just didn't think he was a fit for the list.
Lastly, a lot is expected from Chris Williams after barely playing last year, and as I said before if he were being counted to man the left tackle I'd have him pretty high on my list, but as the right tackle he didn't make the cut. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Shaffer beat him out for RT. I hope he can't, as Williams needs to be good enough to start.
Hopefully next year at this time I'll be recapping my series, "The Top 10 Reasons The Bears Will Repeat As SB Champs"
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The Top 10
You have to place Jay Cutler at #1 for three reasons. First, the quarter back position can make you or break you more than any other position. Second, every other person on offense and defense is backed up by someone on the depth chart that can come in and play at least adequately. We don’t know that we have that in Hanie or Basanez. Third, the quarterback position is pretty much out on an island. Guys can help each other in the trenches if one is not playing up to par. Not so the quarterback. He’s pretty much on his own.
Bottom line, if Cutler goes down or doesn’t perform as expected, a successful season is pretty doubtful. You really can’t say that to the same degree about any other position this year.
by Bears Fan on Aug 4, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a certain extent...
But we did win 10 games in ‘05 with Kyle Orton putting up a 59.7 QB rating. If the defense returns to that level, I think Caleb Hanie could do at least as good as Orton did that year. And I think the defense is capable of returning to that level, if Tommie Harris plays like he’s capable of…
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 4, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Harris as the most important overall...
The offense has options and has improved across the board…even at WR!
The play of Harris will dictate the play of the DEs, Urlacher, and the DBs. Also, if the defense plays poorly, Cutler is forced to play like he did last season, always having to put up 25+ points to stay in games.
The Bears have proven they can win games without a great QB, but not without a great D.
by LostInSTL on Aug 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Cutler needs to play like himself, without a worry about a reoccuring injury slowing him down (knock on wood) like Harris. The Bears defense is entirely predicated on Harris being a disruptive force. If not, the entire defense can break down, and is easibly beaten by an average to good QB (please see Brian Griese).
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense defense defense
If it doesn’t play like it did in 05 06 lovie is gone. I think the players we have we can make it to the bowl if coached right.
by njddgd on Aug 4, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I laugh at the commenters who think "Love is gone"
Under any situation this year.
Saying he “is” gone is very different than saying he “should” be gone. Two words: Virginia McCaskey. He’s not going anywhere.
That said, I’m a big fan of Lovie.
"We can do it any way you want to. We can go right out back and get it on or you can shape your ass up."
by FullbackDive on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they could go 4-12
And he would still have a job. Our biggest mistake was letting the good Ron go. The one who made our defense what it is. I dont hate lovie I think, i’m just more mad that bob still has a job.
by njddgd on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about 4-12...
If the Bears manage to go 4-12, I think Lovie would have to be canned unless Cutler blows his knee out or something like that.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 4, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if
If we go 4-12 this year everyone should be fired. and the bears should go to the ufl.
by njddgd on Aug 4, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy there...
this ain’t raiders or the rams we’re talking about… this is a team i’ve rooted for since birth, and i’ve never felt that way… i’m desparately trying to be nice, but that UFL comment really P!SSED ME OFF!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 4, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOSAH!!!! WOOOOSAH!!!!!
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 4, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down.
I’m just saying if we dont win ten games+ this year something needs to be down jerry won’t be able to blame it on the QB this year.
by njddgd on Aug 5, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my team man!!!! ~sniffle~ that's my team!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 5, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its mine too.
Do you like hester as the number one?
by njddgd on Aug 5, 2009 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he can do it...
absolutely… but that, IMO, is gonna’ have alot to do with who’s lined up across from him. if bennett is stepping up, and knox continues to shine, between those 2, hester, olsen and dez(2 TE set), and forte, who do you cover? somebody is gonna break 1000yds receiving this year, somebody has to!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 5, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got it right with Cutler #1
I look at the Carolina and Atlanta game and I think Jay Cutler would had made a huge difference in those games. The one play where Kyle Orton overthrew Booker who had his man beat by 2 steps, Cutler would have made that play or at least gave Booker a chance to make a play. The Atlanta game I thought we just left a lot of yards and points off the board. Atlanta secondary is the weakest link on their defense and you saw that when Receivers like Hester, Davis, Olsen and Clark got open plenty of times.
by NiqueBears on Aug 4, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler couldn't stop Ryan though
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler guards the sideline in obvioius
“out of bounds” play?
He is the savior!
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall
Orton guided them to an almost “sure” TD winning-drive with 14 seconds left in the game. I wonder how Cutler could’ve improved on that? Hmm….
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are indeed correct
All I know was Ryan connected with a long bomb along the sideline with :01 left because we played off the recievers and gave up the outside.
God, that game was a punch in the gut…. (or pick your own painful moment!)
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different game
but how about 63 passes (Griese) without a sack?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was annoying
but nothing from last season tops the ATL game.
I feel like its karma for the ARI game in 06.
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karma Police
came and “arrested” our playoff dreams!
Karma police, Ive given all I can, its not enough
Ive given all I can, but were still on the payroll
This is what you get, this is what you get
This is what you get, when you mess with us
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to put coaches on the list
Ron Turner has to be on here, right?
No excuses.
Can he use the tools he’s been given, or is he just a big tool?
In 2009 we find out.
Personally, I think the Bears offense was impressive in 2006 when Good Rex was its leader. And then was before Forte and Pace and Chris Williams. I think Turner CAN call a good, aggressive game, but this year he has to prove it.
"We can do it any way you want to. We can go right out back and get it on or you can shape your ass up."
by FullbackDive on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With Turner
I always look to what his ofense pt up when Rex was good, and what he did with Erik Kramer at QB
Turner hasn’t really had a QB like Cutler ever, I fully expect the offense to be a strength of the team
by wiltfongjr on Aug 4, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard on The Score when they were talking to Jay Cutler
Basically he said Ron turner wanted to have his offense wide open but because of the lack of QB talent he couldn’t do the things he wanted to do. Looking for the link now.
by Syndor on Aug 4, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's at the very end if this is the right link
by Syndor on Aug 4, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay was also on with Waddle & Silvy
at noonish today.
It was really good… the podcast should be up at anytime on espn.com/podcenter
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Harris
even though I completely understand why Cutler was #1.
If Harris doesn’t perform up to his capability and actually make an impact on the field… we’re going to struggle again.
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted other. Who's other?
DA MUTHAF**KIN FANS HOMIE!!!
Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...
by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 4, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big fan of Other!
if he can come around the Bears could be special!
by wiltfongjr on Aug 4, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the die hard, loud fans have been priced out.
Add that to the stale feel of the remodel (i.e. luxury boxes) and the home field advantage from the crowd hasn’t been as good for at least a decade.
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by MauryBufordSF on Aug 4, 2009 2:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
4th phase baby!!!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
by propheteer on Aug 4, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to argue Cutler @ #1
but I think Marinelli is right there with him. We have to be better with our pas rush this year… no matter how good our offense is, we can’t get very far getting into shoot-outs with other teams.
Regardless of any of the improvements we have made this offseason, if Marinelli can’t make a big leap with our defensive front, Urlacher will be handcuffed again, and our secondary will be exploited again.
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by Dane Noble on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The coach is big
but its up to the players, and specifically Harris.
by Allie on Aug 4, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two thoughts...
1.) Earl Bennett is pretty much penciled in as a starting WR at this point. If he ends up with 40 catches for 500 yards or less, then something will have gone badly—either he was really bad, or the offense was, or he was injured/replaced sometime during the season. I just think he should get more volume if he’s going to legitimately be a starter.
2.) I’m not going to be upset if Chris Williams doesn’t start this season. And it won’t sour me on the kid either. The injury kept him out last season, but that was one season. And this season, the options are beat out legendary LT Orlando Pace, or beat out a veteran (Schaffer) at a position he’s not particularly suited to (RT). Failing at those is understandable, and doesn’t mean he won’t be a productive LT in the future.
by TCBullfrog on Aug 4, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider 40 catches for 500 yards a success for Bennett.
No those aren’t good numbers for a true starting WR. Problem is we only have one legitimate starting WR (Hester).
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 4, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bennett will be the 3rd option...
behind Olsen and Hester. Maybe the #4 behind Forte, but look at some of the 3rd options around the NFL, I won’t count RB’s, as their numbers are usually a result of check downs
Green Bay – Donald Lee 39 for 303yds
Dallas – Patrick Craton 39 for 550yds
Denver – Tony Scheffler 40 for 645yds
Eagles – Hank Basket 33 for 440yds (in only 15 games)
Steelers – Heath MIller 48 for 514
Chargers – Chris Chambers 33 for 462 (in 14 games)
If we are all expecting Olsen to break out and Hester to be the #1 WR, then as the 3rd option 40 for 500 would be very productive
by wiltfongjr on Aug 4, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bennett
He will have better numbers than hester.
by njddgd on Aug 4, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s already started with the jersey number. 80 (or is it 85 this season?) to 23!
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
by Spongie on Aug 4, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the professor himself...
I thought it was interesting that Bennett changed his number from 85 to 80 because he thought 85 looked too slow.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 5, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this look bad?
the 2004 super bowl winning patriots top receivers, for example:
Player Rec Yds TD
David Givens 56 874 3
David Patten 44 800 7
Deion Branch 35 454 4
Daniel Graham 30 364 7
this speaks to the hester doubters as well…you don’t really need a true #1 or #2 WR. if i asked anyone to name 20 WR’s, they wouldn’t come up with any of these names yet they won the SB. i’ll tell you right now that our weapons are every bit as good as these guys.
by genetic on Aug 5, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to go along with that...
here’s what our receivers did last year with kyle/rex:
PLAYER REC YDS TD
Matt Forte 63 477 4
Greg Olsen 54 574 5
Devin Hester 51 665 3
Desmond Clark 41 367 1
Rashied Davis 35 445 2
Brandon Lloyd 26 364 2
that’s 5 different players with 30+ catches…
the biggest discrepancy i see here are TDs.. and yah, that’s a big deal, of course, but imagine how much better that’s gonna’ look with “sizzle” behind center… the more and more i think about it, the more i seem to be REALLY EXCITED ABOUT OUR OFFENSE THIS YEAR!!! AND I’M A “DEFENSIVE” GUY!!!
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 5, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but no-one (before this offseason, possibly) became a Bears fan because they wanted to watch great offense. It’s all about the hit, baby :-D
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
by Spongie on Aug 5, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED!!!
you can’t coach injuries out of somebody… and although it seems that gilbert will someday be a more than adequate replacement, that day isn’t today. nobody can EVER argue that when he’s healthy, he’s one of the top 3 DTs in the league!!! everything revolves around him, as much as that hurts me to say.
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
by windycity72 on Aug 4, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you've done a great job with this list but...
I have to stick with my original choice of Lovie as #1 since all of the decisions he’s made during the offseason will affect the entire team more, in my opinion, than any other person. Plus if he doesn’t get this team into the playoffs, I really believe he will be gone.
by BearFan611 on Aug 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TOMMIE GUN
If tommie harris has a probowl injury-free year then the dodgy secondary looks ace, and the vastly improved offense has better field position and less cathcing up to do.
with our Monster defense we don’t need a Manning/Brady-esque Cutler nor a Payton-like Forte. if we have them as well … SB here we come!
p.s. Olsen in the top 10 too – if he plays as well as everyone thinks he might, forte, hester et all will have less pressure.
by MB34-UK on Aug 5, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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