Crabtree is T.O. 2.0
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 5:36 PM CDT
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PrintDoes Michael Crabtree bother the hell out of anyone else out there as much as he bothers me? A rookie WR already becoming a pre-madonna and threatening to hold out of his entire rookie NFL season because he believes he deserves more money than the 49ers are willing to give him on his rookie contract. What a greedy and selfish prick. He's basing his complaints on what Hayward-Bey is being paid because his ego is taking over and he thinks he deserved to be the first WR taken off the board and he deserves the money DHB's receiving. His advisor is his cousin, probably as ignorant and selfish as him, and he's the one spreading that he might be holding out the whole season in hopes of re-entering the draft in 2010. Guess what, you DEFINITELY AREN'T going to be drafted higher than you were after this show of immaturity.
What the hell is wrong with this guy? He is a ROOKIE not to mention an INJURED ROOKIE and he thinks he can make all these demands and hold out an entire season based on what he thinks he should be paid? What ever happened to being happy to be given the privilege to be in the NFL? This jackass is really making a name for himself already as being another WR who thinks he's bigger and better than anyone else. He's missed all of the 49ers offseason activities nursing his injury and still thinks he's in a position to demand more than what he's given. Guess what Crabtree, no matter how impressive any players' college career has been, then can still be BUSTS and I for one hope that is exactly what you become.
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just another reason why
the new CBA (assuming they come up with one before 2011) needs to have standardized rookie contracts NBA style.
Hey I hear you
But youre just mad because you traded him on your fantasy team. Sucker. Thats what you get for getting Mason out of free agency. I actually think hell play the 49ers will give in eventually. And you wont be saying that if he somehow becomes a fantasy freak for you this year.
Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
I still think he's a bitch.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Crabtree is more than T.O. 2.0
At least T.O. played a game or two before he stepped off the Pretentiousness Cliffs at Pomposity Point, CA .
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever"-D St Hubbins Spinal Tap
whoa
He was by far the best receiver coming out
he just wants his money.. i mean it’s not his fault the raiders overpaid the hell out of heyward-bey
He doesn't think the offer the 49ers gave him is good enough.
thats his money. He hasn’t proven anything in the NFL to demand anything. And the Raiders’ management is stupid and no NFL team should base any of their moves off what the Raiders do.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter. All the mock drafts that said he should have been the first WR taken
don’t mean a goddamn thing if someone else gets taken before you. Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock do not determine the draft order, nor do they get to assign the slotting for rookie contracts. What makes this even more outrageous is that during the run up to the draft, he had defend himself against accusations of acting like a diva and being full of himself by Mangini and the Browns. You deny that and then pull this kind of bullshit? Singletary has got to be absolutely fuming over this.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
While his cousin may be his "advisor"
he does have a professional agent, Eugene Parker.
Here’s what NN thinks about this situation.
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You know who else Eugene Parker represented don't ya?
Rex Freakin Grossman. I’ve heard good things about Eugene though, so this is probably all Crabtree and he’s probably getting some poor advice somewhere out there.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
I knew he had a professional agent
but to me it still comes down to take what your rookie contract offers and play. It couldn’t have been THAT low anyway but I don’t have the figures on what the 49ers originally offered.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So he should've just been happy they offered him a deal at all?
He doesn’t have a contract yet, they’re working on offers.
I can understand getting irritated by people with 4 years left on their deal who threaten a hold out b/c they’re “underpaid”… but getting THIS annoyed by a guy with OUT a contract for not playing strikes me as ridiculous.
the 49ers already offered him a deal
that he doesn’t agree with. Thats what should strike you as ridiculous.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
No one other than prima-donna WRs ever disagree with the terms of a contract during negotiations.
He hasn't played a game yet
and he’s going from college player to millionaire anyway. What’s there to complain about?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 6, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't think he's allowed
to like the terms of his contract just b/c he’s a rookie?
Wow. I really hope I never work for you.
don't know or care what the exact #s involved are
but acting like a superstar before you even played in one game definitely paints a poor picture of you and can definitely hinder your career development. example 1 being cedric “i get tackled by yard stripes” benson. i am sure there are current NFL stars who pull this crap and have managed to dominate but i am also sure that more often than not being a rookie holdout is usually a good start to getting the bust label 3-5 years down the road
by reefermadness3 on Aug 6, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure
he should probably get himself in camp.
But wanting a contract you’re happy with isn’t a crime. And I can’t work up any rage about it, either from him or Benson or any top 10 pick ever.
He's completely ignoring the slotting system.
When you’re drafted 10th, you get paid somewhere between what the 9th and 11th guy gets. It’s a fairly logical process, which is why rookie holdouts are such a joke, especially when players around them have already signed. Every guy in the draft thinks he’s better than every other player that got picked before him. If they just start arbitrarily demanding to be paid for a higher amount than where their draft slot dictates because they think they should have been drafted higher, the entire draft process will become an even bigger mess than it is now. At that point, you may as well start assigning contracts based off of mock drafts, regardless of where they were actually drafted.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
How could he be ignoring the slotting system
if picks 8 – 12 haven’t signed?
Allie I’m with you. I don’t believe this reflects who Crabtree is, as much as it reflects his cousin being a moron.
OVER BLOWN!
Because he's demanding to be paid more than DHB
who was drafted before him. He thinks he should have been the first receiver drafted and therefore should be paid more than the receiver who actually was drafted first. Honestly, he probably should have been, but that’s neither here nor there. If he was just waiting for the 9th and 11th picks to be signed to determine his slotting, I could understand that. It may well be the case that his cousin/agent is a moron, but the agent works for the player, not the other way around. When it comes down to it, he’s got the right to refuse or accept anything offered to him, not his agent. I’d also say that 9 times out of 10 if you make your cousin your agent, you’re probably a moron as well.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
His cousin isn't his agent (just an advisor, whatever that means).
Eugene Parker is his agent and has denied making any threats of setting out this year. That info is at the top of this thread, provided by GB.
I haven’t heard Crabtree or his agent, demanding for more money than DHB received. Could you provide some info where this was stated?
Honestly, I missed it.
I scanned through the comments, but it didn’t click. If that’s the case, then I’ll reserve judgement til we see how this plays out. If that’s the case, I think he needs to put his cousin’s ass in check real fast about shooting his mouth of to the press. It’s only ok to shoot your mouth off if you’re some half-informed jack ass on a Bears blog… I will punish myself accordingly.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Well said...lol
Daddy may drive a V-8 ’Vette
Mamma may bathe in champagne yet
God bless the child with his own stash
Nine to five and a place to crash
which is to say…
Keep you day job
Until your night job pays
Part of it is where you got drafted..
But part is what position you play. I think last year Jake Long was the first pick, but Matt Ryan signed a bigger contract.
So really, his contract should reflect his position of being the second WR taken, not that he was supposed to be the first WR taken.
No, he is not allowed...
He will get paid based upon his draft position, like every other drafted rookie in the past decade or so. The reason he is not allowed is because, as long as the 49ers offer more than the 10th player made, that’s that. The draft is a way to limit the bidding war that would occur if teams could sign anyone they wanted at any time. By entering the draft, he tacitly agreed to this de facto system. He could have opted out of the draft and sat out a season, which he may do, but he did not. Now he wants to change the dynamic of the draft system to suit his wants; sorry pal!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever"-D St Hubbins Spinal Tap
Apparently not
Crabtree must accept what he is offered … and like it!
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 7, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
He is free to negotiate...
and free to “not like it”. But in the end, the team will decide what they are willing to pay and the players will decide what they feel about his actions. It’s one thing to hold out for more money, but to argue that you are the best receiver in the draft without having played a game is simply a lame argument. Maybe he is and maybe he isn’t, but to use mock drafts to argue that you should be paid more is stupid, and makes you wonder about his motives. What’s to say his foot isn’t “better” and he is trying to get lots of cash up front to cover his ass in the event that he simply cannot handle the NFL and will “retire” after a few seasons on IR.
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever"-D St Hubbins Spinal Tap
First of all, it's prima donna
Secondly, Crabtree is a better player than DHB, so not only does he have a gripe there, he reasonably could ask for more money.
Thirdly, he doesn’t play for the Bears. I don’t care, and I doubt too many others here do.
Finally, he is a top 10 NFL Draft pick. He is going to get paid. I may sound like a cynical jacka$$ (and trust me, I am) but I am sick and tired of the same rhetoric from fans… I pay your salary. Guess what? He has a skill that very few other people on earth have.
I will agree that it portrays him in a negative light to those who haven’t gotten to know about him. However, he is a good character guy. Let’s give him a chance, unless he faces the Bears.
But pre-madonna is much more amusing
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 7, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, if only the music scene could have stayed pre-madonna...
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I Think It's Time For Goodell
He needs to get with the players union and address this issue. A rookie salery cap is needed in this league. I wonder if Crabtree is playing games because his injury is not healed and he is not ready to play football. If he takes another year of it gives him the time to heal properly and he can get the big contract next year as a healthy player. If he sits out though his stock will plummit as teams will steer clear of him.
I hope his foot injury
is career ending
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-1
What is up with people wishing injury and suffering on players others?
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Because
it’s shameful to watch these Kids, come in and squak about money… it’s already a ridiculous amount of money, thats is largely undeserved.
if you have the audacity and nerve to sit out, and wait for a better contract, over one that is far over paid to begin with, because you “think” you are that good… then i wish ill will upon you, as you further prove your worthlessness to this world.
it would be due justice for him to have an injury instead of just taking the gracious contract offered to him…for catching a ball
it would appear i have a vastly more emotional response to football than you… but i certainly would appreciate if you wouldn’t “-1” a simple opinion… as it is mine to cast, regardless of your feeling on the matter.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Emotional response to football?
Why care so much about his contract situation to wish that “emotional response” on him, let alone anyone? It’s awful!
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
jealousy rears its ugly head
You keep calling these kids overpaid? based on what? On what you make? It seems you resent the fact that these kids will make more money than you, a lot more.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 7, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Consider
that our Nations leader makes $475,000 annually… to RUN THE COUNTRY, i would say that, yes, these kids, get vastly overpaid, to play football.
so actually my income is totally irrelevant, but thanks anyways for the effort, it is noted.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't compare the president to a football player.
I’m pretty sure the president is getting a bit more than the $475K. Don’t forget that we(the tax payers) foot the bill for his rent, cars, flights, food, drycleaning, lawn service, cleaning service, security, cable/satellite, water bill, electric bill, trash pick up/recycling, medical care, dental care, dog walker, and baby sitters just to name a few.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
uh...
My salary was brought into comparison, so it only fits, as far as responsibility vs salary.
2. I’m sure Crabtrees endorsements will be more than the official amount of income listed, such as nike, gatorade, just to name a few.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh
Why put a 2 if there is no 1?
I saw that he brought your salary into question which comparing your salary to Crabtree’s wouldn’t be fair either. And yes I’m sure Crabree will make plenty of money off of endorsements. But if you are going to compare him to the president you have to factor in all things, not just base salary. So even with endrosements the president is still miles ahead of whatever Crabtree will make.
Air Force one for example. You want to try to figure out how much it cost to run that operation alone???
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
Plus
I think that the president keeps getting paid long after he is done being president. They never run for office again, still have secret service watching them, and keep collecting a salary. So, in the long run, the president definitely makes more money than pro athletes.
Really bad example
Lots of people make more than the president, does that mean they are all overpaid? Or maybe the president is grossly underpaid?
In a previous career, there were many of us who made more than than the president in a given year, of course that was when the stock market was going up up up and our stock options kept growing. I guess we were all overpaid, huh.
Pro athletes generate a lot of income and not just for themselves. They create a lot of jobs for a lot of people. And since the average NFL career is pretty brief, I don’t begrudge them a nickel. For the most part they earn what they get.
So if you think football players are overpaid, stop subsidizing them then by going to games, watching games on TV, buying team merchandise, etc.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 7, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
First off,
i merely stated that i wouldnt be opposed to Crabtree incurring a much larger injury would be due justice for being a cry baby. and it has exploded into yearly incomes… while i have quite a bit of free time on my hands. i’m not going to expound into dollar for dollar who is over/underpaid. i made my example.
i’m saying that this is an awful lot of money for an unproven commodity, and to sit out because you “feel” like you should have been drafted higher, maybe you should suit up and see how you play at an NFL level before you start re writing the rules on rookie contracts.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok fine
But think of it this way. If it was you how much money would you want? I’d want the most I could get because you never know how long a career might last. Don’t believe me, give that guy from Buffalo, Kevin Edwards a call.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
Exactly
If BearNecessities was the draftee, he would be directing his agent to get every dollar possible, even though he is an “unproven commodity”.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 7, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't live in that position though,
Obviously if i was Crabtree, this is what i would be doing,
but if it was me, today, and the difference was 29 million with whatever guaranteed (something still pretty good) and holding out for whatever DHB got, i’m not exactly sure, no, myself, personally, would not hold out for the “possibility” of getting more money, vs the possibility of not getting any,
Kevin Everett? i think? yes i hear your arguement, and see the logic and rational, but it’s not like they are offering him $5 an hour.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Everett that's it.
Couldn’t remember his name for some reason. I get what your saying as well, why risk no money to just get a little bit more.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a tragic thing
that happened to him, he’s walking again though.
preciate the view too.
i could probably figure out the operational costs of AF 1 too, considering thats who i work for.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You are part of the PAG?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
PAG?
not familiar with that acronym
interesting fact about money and Everett, he received a full pension due to the fact he was kept on the bills for 3 years as an active member.
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Presidential Airlift Group.
I didn’t see that he got a full pension, but that’s a good thing.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
no, i was going with United States Air Force
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha me too.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
small world
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
yes it is
where you at?
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Portugal
you?
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Keesler.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I have an MTL friend there
no desire to ever be there, too muggy for me
who do Mississippians root for down there?
I would debate you, but that would only lead to me being dragged away in handcuffs...
by BearNecessities on Aug 7, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I might know your friend
I’m an MTL.
The natives are Saints fans since it’s only 90 miles away. But as far s the base goes pretty much every team is supported.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
PAG
People Against Gesiakob.
I'm teaching fools some basic rules.- MR.T
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 7, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol oh shit, Im actually crying from that one
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Crabtree a "pre-madonna"?
Are there pictures of him wearing a cone bra somewhere?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
playing for the wrong contract!
the difference between the $ paid to the #10 and #6 picks is not enough to warrant this behavior. If he is as good as he says he is his true payday will be his second contract or extension. What he is doing now is jeopardizing that enormous future payout [ rookie recovering from surgery needs to be in camp ] to get paid more immediately. I do not know what the actual financial figures are, but IMO the important number is the cut going to the people advising him as that number is the one driving this negotiation.
if i were a draftee
i would be the first one to sign a deal and the first one in camp and the first one in the weightroom/on the field in the morning and learn the playbook…
its called work ethic..
work hard + performance = payday
it isnt
Payday +what i did in college = work
i believe he needs to quit his belly aching sign a deal and go play..demand a trade if you have to but sign a deal first.
what would happen if he sat out a year? would the niners get a compensatory 1st round pick?..if so id draft his ass again and say look douchebag i will do this until you sign a deal.
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
Very funny
“.if so id draft his ass again and say look douchebag i will do this until you sign a deal.”
Nope
what would happen if he sat out a year? would the niners get a compensatory 1st round pick?..
His career would be in jeopardy cause there’s not a good track record for players holding out an entire season. The Niners would get no compensation.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
that is pretty crappy
Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun
funny stuff, thanks for the chuckle
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Unpopular opinion but...
Cabtree has the right to negotiate his contract. It’s a business. In the most dangerous sport where contracts aren’t guaranteed, I have sympathy for players in this sport to get what they can. The Raiders set the market in this draft for a Wide reciever. Crabtree has a right to negotiate to be able to see what he can get
stop making sense
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Aug 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
He plays....
…For the Niners. Who cares?
Dude will lay an egg with the massive sized head he has on his shoulders.
Alex Smith as his QB? Dude is going to be even more unhappy when he realizes he doesn’t have J Freaking Cutler throwing to him!
Bear Down!
49ers will call his bluff
Nothing good can come from holding out, especially holding out the entire season. Good luck with your career Michael!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
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