The Bears Den - 9/18/09

by ChiFan13 on Sep 18, 2009 12:00 AM CDT in The Bears Den

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....where we've changed our monthly collection offering: Send Tony Dungy far, far away.

In The Den

670 The Score

Laurence Holmes discusses whether or not Lovie is a good teacher.

ChicagoBears.com

Zack Bowman is getting the start over Nathan Vasher: THANK THE LORD.

The Bears D is gearing up to battle Big Ben.

Chicago Sun-Times

If you don't read any other article in the Den, read this winner from Neil Hayes. We should all sign a copy of his article and send it to Morrissey's house (helmet tip: reefermadness)

The Bears waived Trumaine McBride and signed CB DeAngelo Smith.

Dan McNeil is slowly growing to a Morrissey level.

Brian Urlacher sues a memorabilia company for terminating his contract.

Zack Bowman is getting the start over Nathan Vasher: THANK THE LORD Part Deux.

Lovie is irritated with everyone who's harped on Cutler.

More after the jump....

Chicago Tribune

Johnny Knox is hoping to contribute more.

Adewale is hoping to have a monster season and retire as a Bear.

Dan Pompei's mailbag.

Derrick Brooks still thinks the Bears are an option. I also believe Santa is real.

Daily Herald

Roach and Hillenmeyer aren't the only Bears backups ready for more playing time.

Zack Bowman is getting the start over Nathan Vasher: THANK THE LORD Part Tres.

ESPN Chicago

Danieal Manning is on the mend and ready to go for Sunday.

Thursday's Bears injury report.

The Steelers' running game stalled against Tennessee, but expect them to try pounding the rock on Sunday.

A quick preview of the Steelers' D.

Sporting News

Our very own wiltfongjr previews the Bears - Steelers game.

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Good article about everyone overreacting to Cutler

What would the media do if this guy was the Chicago quarterback? They couldn’t read into him at all! This was after he won the championship too. So yeah, that’s him excited.

by Sam Householder on Sep 18, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions

I'm sick of all this crap too Lovie.

I was sick of it in May. And it’s only gotten worse. The national media has turned into a tabloid.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Sep 18, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions

About Dan McNeil.. oh how the mighty have fallen. (Stolen from his on air sidekick)

It’s gotten to the point where he just brings down a radio station. I mean he’s an Indiana guy now who talks Chicago Sports but really just wants to be a disc jockey talking 1970 rock bands and movies from 1994. I mean how many times can you watch Shawshank Redemption? He belittles Chicago Sports teams in the process. I mean do people really wanna hear you come up with a crappy song after a word was used during the show. My Sharona?Seriously you know how lame that is?

I mean how can you honestly read anything this guy writes after listening to that show? Sorry Mac you’re washed up like North and Giggs( you can throw Uncle Terry in that also)

by SoulEater7 on Sep 18, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions

Eh

Terry can be funny, so he’s at least somewhat redeemeable compared to North.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 18, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions

I guess.

I guess Im just perturbed because he was gawking at my gf. Get a magazine.

by SoulEater7 on Sep 18, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions

LOL

He’s old and tired….let him gawk all he wants.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 18, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions

I realize how bad our secondary situation is but

we’re picking up scraps from Cleveland? That is not comforting.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Sep 18, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions

I second that

Especially given that I lived in OH the past years.

by Loathie Smith on Sep 18, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Didnt Cleveland

cut Rod Hood too?

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 18, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Just to put in perspective

Sometimes guys just aren’t good fits with one team/system, but better fits with another. DeAngelo Smith’s pre-draft scouting report says that he would excel playing zone defense so he can face the QB. Well, now he’s on a team that plays a lot of zone.

Of course, then there’s your Marcus Hamilton’s of the world…. the CB who came over from Tampa Bay (The “other” Tampa 2 team), and still sucked balls anyway.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Sep 18, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions

I realize that. Pisa is a perfect example.

But it still doesn’t exactly give me the warm and tinglies.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Sep 19, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions

just because the browns suck

doesn’t mean that the people the cut aren’t better than mcbride’s sorry ass.

by genetic on Sep 18, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions

*the people theY cut

by genetic on Sep 18, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions

They absolutely have to be better

than McBride

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 18, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm wondering

if someone here can cover the tweets during the day at all? Like Allie did during Camp, it’s blocked for me at work, but when i get home there is usually a bunch of good stuff from McClure/Biggs… i dunno, i would, but again… blocked.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 18, 2009 5:05 AM CDT reply actions

I've said if from the beginning and I still say it

this kid Knox is going to be something special. He takes responsibility for the last interception and criticizes himself. I hope they don’t sit him this week in favor of DA. I’d like to see both of them on the field getting experience and drop (pun intended) Rashied. That “special teams” guy talk is ridiculous compared to grooming 2 young receivers who can impact a game.

by BearFan611 on Sep 18, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions

special teams does impact a game

in fact, it’s the bears’ strongest unit at this point and for the last few years (since toub). they can keep 5 WR’s active for the game, just don’t send rashied out on offense.

they will not beat pittsburgh without something good happening on special teams.

by genetic on Sep 18, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree about Special Teams having an impact

but when did Rashied turn into Steve Tasker? All I’m saying is that I think either Knox or DA can take his place on the special teams unit and we wouldn’t see that big a drop off compared to what they could bring to the table as WR’s.

by BearFan611 on Sep 18, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Rashied

Everyone hates Rachied here, but like it or not he doens’t just play special teams, he excels at it. There were several special teams plays where Rachied is critical in taking down the ball carrier or having an critical impact to the ST play…Let the coaches coach.

by bskariya on Sep 18, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions

i agree

no, he’s not steve tasker but i do have some respect for him…he does play hard on ST’s and we need that. remember, he was a CB at one point. i don’t think the other two are going to be able to make a critical tackle if need be.

by genetic on Sep 18, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions

I disagree, he's a good special teams player but I wouldn't put in the "critical" category.

Special teams throughout the league are made up of players who hustle and know they’re probably not going to be starters for a long time and possibly ever. I just don’t believe that you can’t find another player already on the squad that couldn’t make, if not equal to, close to the contribution that he does. When you combine that with his ineffectiveness as a WR, I would much rather have 2 guys like DA and Knox and give them a shot at special teams with much more upside as receivers.

Hell, if Rashied were cut from the squad after the last pre-season game, none of us would have been that sorry to see it happen. I can’t see that he has become more valuable all of a sudden.

by BearFan611 on Sep 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

but again

have you ever seen DA or knox make a tackle? have they ever made a tackle? did they even play any ST’s in college (besides returning kicks)? or fight through any blocks? it’s not as easy to tackle an NFL quality returner as you might think.

by genetic on Sep 19, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Did anyone see Rashied do it when he came into the NFL from the Arena League?

There are good Special Teams players on every team in the league but that is probably the lowest priority when making roster decisions. If all else is equal, then I agree with your choice, but Davis has proven he’s not a good NFL receiver. We don’t know about the other two players yet, but there’s only one way to really know. Knox showed flashes last week and I’d like to see what DA can do based on his pre-season performance.

I’m not saying to cut Rashied at this point, just give these kids a chance to show what they can do both as WR’s and on Special Teams. If one or both of them can make a tackle and catch a ball we’d be ahead of the game. If they can’t, then decisions have to be made longterm.

by BearFan611 on Sep 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions

My Top 3 Douches go like this...............

3. Dan McNeil

2. Rick Morrisey

1. Mike North

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions

Honarable mention to Boers and Bernstein

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions

at least they're knowledgeable douches

that show is the only sports radio show in chicago i’m listening to now.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions

The only thing I like about that show is when someone calls that is an idiot, they let them know.

That can be some good radio at times, but other than that not really my cup of tea. But they arent soo bad thats why they only got honorable mentions, where as those other guys are on the list to stay.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

so noted.

by Hatchetm on Sep 18, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions

I love when Terry starts rambling about his people or when he talks

about a subject without really saying much. Like when he says,

‘’ when you do that, that right there folks and I mean I’ve been around I have see my share, you know what I mean when you do that thats like by crackyyyyyyy, I mean kids thats just something right there thats something… I mean that right there folks is something and I mean my people tell me things and oh my folks, kids you just not good that right there. Folks thats a turd thats a turd right their folks I mean I’ve seen my share and I’m like accent old ass you know?’’

By then Bernstein says ok we have to take a break 670 the Score. Cutting him off in the process.

by SoulEater7 on Sep 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions

mike murphy

When that guy was on the air, it was him at #1 and then everyone else.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree completely, he was the man and really down to earth.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

#1 on the douchebag list, I mean

Hated that guy.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

sorry I always forget to hit the reply

scroll down my bad

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

What, no way, he was great.

You could go on the air and have long conversations if you actually brought some good input to the show. I always felt he had a show that was for the people. Whereas some of these other guys are all about what they say and when they actually end up being right, especially if its over somebodys downfall or mistake, they get even more pompous.

But my bet is youre a Sox fan, I know a lot of people that dont like him, because he really never hid the fact that he was a Cubs fan on a Sox station no less, and if that is the case I could understand that.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions

Nope, Cubs fan

And Murphy had the most inane opinions and conspiracy theories. That’s what the man was all about. He catered to the homers, too.

And honestly, I want to hear knowledgeable people talk. I don’t want to hear fans.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Good point, but he was always an advocate about Soriano getting out of the leadoff and thats probably when I started listening to him the most.

Not to turn this into the BCB or anything. I do agree he was pretty off the wall at times.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Ehh

For all the people that say that Murph never blasted callers like B&B do, they’re dead wrong. Murph would interrupt constantly – B&B at least have a point to make.

And, as a disclaimer, I’m neither a Cubs fan or a Sox fan (gun to my head, I’m picking Sox just because the Cub meatballs seem worse).

Murph seemed ok but rarely offered insight. B&B, albeit underneath their rough exterior, will give you some fascinating statistics and views on whatever the news is.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 18, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Do you just not like baseball or are you a fan of another team.

Hey our meatballs taste just fine thank you very much!

I kind of enjoy when they blast callers and they definitely do, because its always some guy that has the most outlandish points to say.

For instance on Monday this guy called up and said “Urlachers garbage, why couldnt they just have him out there in the second half as a decoy, then maybe they wouldnt have scored on us in the end.” The man was clearly retarded and it was the first caller of the show.

So Boers came back with “Hey why dont we just put Dick Butkus out there as a decoy!” I found that to be halarious. And then Bernstein says “Thanks moron!” And I literally fell out of my seat.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm a huge baseball fan

Coach it collegiately, actually.

I’m a Braves fan. Grew up during the days where TBS was showing every Braves game and Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz were dominating.

I listened to B&B on Monday, mostly just to listen to them bash the idiot callers. I really do like their show – I don’t necessarily always agree with them, but for the most part, they make good points. The one show I can’t stand to listen to is the Danny Mac show. Honestly makes me want to hurl for the most part. I wish they would’ve put any combination of Goff, Holmes, or Drinky from 9-1.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 18, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions

McNeil can be ok sometimes

But he is a ‘tard, I admit. Still, that Spiegal guy is something. I can’t stand him.

I miss the Me Show. Holmes is a good Bears guy.

You know what, though, I think Mully and Hanley are ok, as well. I don’t listen to them much, but I can’t remember having much of a problem with them.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh so youre a Braves fan huh

Now I know why you wouldnt pick the Cubs. Your team is the only one I have ever seen us beat in the playoffs in my lifetime at least, not to mention chicagoans took over your stadium.

I agree full heartedly on Danny Mac, him and Mike North need to be put on an island somewhere.

Where do you coach in the college levels??

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions

I coach at Mt. Mercy College in Cedar Rapids, IA

Nice NAIA program that’s very close to dominating the conference year in and year out. I love coaching – wouldn’t change it for the world.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Thats tight man.

Too bad the Bears cant dominate year in and year out. I think we need to have you go in for an inspirational speech!

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions

Oh God

I’d be a disaster. That would be a bigger waste of time than Lovie challenging for 12 men on the field.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions

isn't bashing re-rard callers part of their schtick?

either that or their call screeners are non-existent. there’s a million opinions out there and a lot of the ones that call into a radio show aren’t worth listening to.

lol like the post above, urlacher as a decoy? really?

by reefermadness3 on Sep 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Dont you just love it when they bas RE RARDS !!

Who is this scooby doo. haha :)

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 18, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions

haha yeah

sorry the re-rard is something of an inside joke. more so it usually makes me smile when i say it.

like my boy ningnong, the retarded assgoblin.

NINGNONG

o man i should stop slacking and go do some work

by reefermadness3 on Sep 18, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Murph would interrupt everyone

Not just callers. He’d get in fights with his colleagues and the experts that WSCR brought in. He’d get in arguments with Steve Stone and Hub Arkush during his latter days at the Score. I hated that guy.

by jake1823 on Sep 18, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I saw Brooks

on ESPN yesterday—as an analyst, but talking about his status, too.

He mentioned that he’s talked with a couple teams, and he said something about “after this week” that sounded pretty damn certain at the time, but then he quickly amended it and changed his tone to sound like he had no idea what the future holds…

Is it possible the Bears said, “We think we want you, but let’s see what happens in week 2, and we’ll be in touch immediately aftwerwards…”??

I wouldn’t be surprised if they got him, especially if H.H. proves to be a huge liability in coverage…

by Amishbear on Sep 18, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah

that’s kind of what he was saying in the article linked above. Sounds like the Bears are interested but want to wait to see how the “in house” options look this week. If the D can play like they did against GB, I think they stick with HH and NR until Pisa is back. What happened to Jamar Williams? Does anybody know? I thought he was supposed to back-up MLB, no?

by McRipper on Sep 18, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions