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The Bears are 31st in the league in rushing. Even though its early and we have played 2 great rush defenses I am still worried. The offensive line has not proved to be able to consistently create a hole for Matt Forte. The Bears have the weapons to run an effective wildcat. Forte, Hester, Olsen, and Knox could be a deadly combination in the Wildcat formation. It might be a gimmick but I think it could jump start are running game and make are offense much better.

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Do you think the Bears should run the Wildcat?
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Lets give Matt Forte and the offensive line another week before we change anything
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No.

The Wildcat is for teams that don’t have impact QBs.

We do the run the ball in our own “tricky” way… it’s called a bubble screen.

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by SackMan on Sep 21, 2009 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would you take the ball out of Cutler's hands?

In case you haven’t noticed.. Cutler is our offense.

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by SackMan on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He should’nt have to carry the team on offense. Maybe three times a game give the ball directly to one of our playmakers and let them do work. Wildcat is just another thing the defense is going to have to worryabout when playing us.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm all for it

a few plays per game. anytime the opposing D spends preparing for it is time away from preparing for the regular O. i would definitely like to see hester and knox running toward each other and let the D decide which one to go after.

and don’t you remember last year after the dolphins had success. ron turner said he already had that formation in the playbook. yeah right, ron.

by genetic on Sep 23, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the Wildcat.

I would blitz the crap out of Miami.

by SoulEater7 on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know if that would work.

I think a defense needs discipline and gap contlrol to stop the Wildcat. Thats easier said then done.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The real litmus test...

Can the Bears run the WIldcat successfully on Madden?

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by Dane Noble on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions  

You got me.

Feild goal block stops it every time.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 21, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure it can

Some of the better players are pretty dominant running the wildcat in Madden! By the way if anyone wants to play just let me know. Maybe a little Bears vs. Packers matchup??

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personally I don't want the bears to become followers.

Have your own style. When I watched the Vikings run the wildcat I just wanted to slap Childress on his bald head.

by SoulEater7 on Sep 21, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I am not a big fan of the wildcat but

if it could help the Bears, why not use it? To not use it because other teams thought of it first is silly, actually that would be stupid.

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by lookingdeadred on Sep 22, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's nobody on the team

that should be taking snaps other than Jay Cutler. In the wildcat, you want an explosive and elusive runner who can also throw the ball a bit. Olsen? Too slow. Forte? He’s not the explosive type. Hester? You really want to even give him the chance to throw a pass? Knox? he’ll get broken in half running the ball. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

by dakoose on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

uhhhh

Ronnie Brown is Not more elusive than Matt Forte. Devin Hester doesnt need to throw. He can be used just like how the Eagles use Desean Jackson in the wild cat. I’m not saying that Johnny Knox should run up the middle but I think he could have sucess running sweeps and reverses.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he is.

He’s a better pure runner and is quicker. Forte is a good running back and his overall package may be better than Brown’s, but I believe Brown to be the more explosive and elusive back.

by dakoose on Sep 22, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ronnie Brown is definitely more elusive then Forte. Forte is more of a power runner. Brown is deceptively elusive and pretty big. Using Hester or Knox to do some end arounds wouldn’t be a bad idea. But you guys don’t need to run the Wildcat. You have Cutler.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

…F**K THE WILDCAT!

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 22, 2009 12:56 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't believe this was brought up

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 3:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Can't believe it was brought up either ...

For those who haven’t realised it yet, the Wildcat was/is a fad. I simply can’t be bothered to dig up the stats, but according to Total Access, the Wildcat has failed thus far this year on average. The Colts had the ball less than 15 minutes against the Dolphins and still won the game. Go figure ….

by Irish Bears Fan on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 AM CDT reply actions  

The Dolphins are different then us.

We would never use the Wildcat as our main offensive weapon. It would be like 3 times a game to keep the defense on their toes. The Dolphins defense allowed big plays and their offense was not exsplosive. That was the problem. The wildcat was not.

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The wildcat will be an abject failure this year.

It is not a new idea. It’s been used before and went out of fashion because it can be stopped easily. It worked last year because it caught people by surprise. It’s the same as running a flea-flicker, a SOL, or any other gadget play- it only works when it’s not expected. Teams have had an entire offseason to prepare their defenses for it, so it should be quickly sniffed out and shut down.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Sep 22, 2009 5:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I simply disagree

I live in Philadelphia and have watched both Eagles games. The wildcat has been effective for them. Then last night the Dolphins had over 100 yards in the wildcat formation. I don’t see how the wildcat is a failure.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because both teams

you mentioned, just lost
AND the Dolphins controlled the clock, typically if you control the run game, and the clock, you win.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both teams lost

The Eagles gave up 41points on defense and had 4 turnovers. The Saints are also a superbowl contender. The wildcat wasnt the reason they lost.

The Dolphins had their number 1 reciver in the endzone with a rookie cb. He had 2 hands on the ball and should have caught it. The defense also gave up bad plays.

I just don’t get how this is an argument against the wildcat. The teams lost for other reasons.

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to point out

the two defenses that we’re talking about, New Orleans and Indy. That’s kind of like calling yourself a successful comedian because you made your five-year-old laugh.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Sep 23, 2009 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Not to be an asshole but they actually accumulated 207 yards in the wildcat on just 12 plays. The Dolphins run it to perfection.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

the I formation isn't a new idea either

the west coast offense isn’t a new idea. the cover 2 isn’t a…ok bad example. the forward pass was a fad too.

what’s your point?

by genetic on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The I formation has withstood the test of time

as has the west coast offense, but it remains to be seen whether the “wildcat” offense does. Lots of things work great in college but not so much in the pros (triple option running attacks like the veer and the wishbone for example). That said, I don’t agree with JerBear, I think the wildcat can work as a special package within the overall offensive playbook if you have the right personnel. It isn’t like it is the base offense for any NFL team, although the Fish do use it a lot.

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by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defenses

are plain too fast for this, the reason it has worked a little is because
A. we don’t gameplan for College Offense
B. the sheer shock of running that play i.e. “I can’t believe they are Wildcat-ing right now”
It’s smoke and mirrors for teams with no winning capability, see Miami 2009 0-2 already

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by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 5:49 AM CDT reply actions  

A. I’m pretty sure Nick Saban started it in the NFL then went to college.
B. The Colts prepared for the Wildcat when they got ready to face the Dolphins. Look what happend.

Miami has played 2 playoff teams this year. I think their defense and passing game is more to blame then the wildcat.

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why didn't it stick

A.in the NFL i wonder then?
B. The Colts won

good for Miami, they themselves were a playoff team last year, because of the Wildcat, largely, and now they are 0-2.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

A. It still is in the NFL.
B. yes, they did. But not cause they stopped the wildcat.

Miami had the easiest scheduale in the league last year and that is mainly why they won that division.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but just recently has it come back. so that’s neither here nor there.

Wouldnt that mean that the other AFC East teams had relatively the same schedule? anyway you crack it, they had the goods to win the division, there is no reason to think they can’t do it this year.

I see no reason for the Bears to utilize the Wildcat formation… why would we put anyone else under center than #6? all that trade value to line up Hester or Knox?

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reason the wildcat has come back is

because teams had all summer to practice and perfect it. I know the bears put Hester under center a couple of times during traning camp.

The Jets now have an awesome defense and Tom Brady is back. Miami is not winning that division.

I’m talking about doing it like 3 times a game. Its basically like running a screen but more direct. I just dont see how it could be bad.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

You can’t say their 0-2 because of the Wildcat. First off Atlanta and Indy will both probably be playoff teams. The accumulated 80 yards running the wildcat week 1 and 207 yards in week 2. The lost to the Colts because their defense surrenderred 2 4th quarter TDs to the Colts. They also could have won had Ginn made that catch, which he probably should have caught. Regardless though they lost.

The wildcat may be a “gimmick” when other teams try and run it but not when the Dolphins do. I’m not sure if you watched the game Monday night or not, but they dominated the Colts running the wildcat.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the point here is

that Chicago most certainly should NOT run the wildcat, when we have Cutler back there.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

th wildcat is a pointless type of offense

i still dont know why everyone is in love with it

by Vikant on Sep 25, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

How far

they go in the Playoffs with the Wildcat?
They also play in a division that was sorely missing Brady with an old defense as well, the Bills collapsed also, and Favre fell apart.

it was everyone elses division to lose, and they did, Miami got lucky… won’t happen this year, in case you havent noticed.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 25, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

We already agree

I was responding to Vikant and his comment… in case you didn’t notice.

by rdent4hof on Sep 25, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure didnt

lemme just go about getting my foot out of my mouth

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

what i ment to say

now that every team is using using it its pointless now there is no surprise to it.

by Vikant on Sep 26, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're gonna

remain at an impasse, and have to agree to disagree.

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 22, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh...

calling every teams version of the Dolphin “Wildcat” the Wildcat is such a pet peeve of mine…

it’s a version of the current Spread offense that so many college teams are running now, the Bears are on record as calling their offensive wrinkles Cajun (for Forte) and Cane (for Hester)

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 22, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate your standards!

by rdent4hof on Sep 22, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

last year every NFL analyst drove the “Wildcat” down our throats… ugh!

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

The wildcat is different then college spread formations

The wildcat has the QB at WR
TE behind the left or right tackle.
Then a WR orRB taking the snap.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's a variation of it

taken from Alabamas version of it…

doesn’t matter who is taking snaps, Pat White takes them for the Dolphins (he is a QB) yet it’s still their “Wildcat” package

it takes spread principals to the NFL game, I just hate how it’s labeled the “Wildcat”… had the Dolphins called it their SuperFish formation every NFL expert would be calling it the SuperFish!

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually got to see live...

(the early beginnings) of the “Wildcat” at Murray State U. (coached by Houston Nutt). in the mid 90’s. It was awesome! Lots of counters, misdirections, play-actions and W’s for a Murray Racer team that had been in the cellar for a few years. My bro played FB. Good times…

by rdent4hof on Sep 22, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

They call it the wildcat

because all teams that use it line up the same way. why would they change the name? And I think the Giants have a similar formation called flash. Its not the wildcat because the TE doesnt line up behind the LT.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

so...

what does the Wild refer to, the TE? Is the cat the QB? ;)

Last year Miami went with an unbalanced line in their formation sometimes too, and actually I’m watching ESPN right now, last nights Miami highlights…

the TE isn’t behind the tackle and Pennington isn’t even on the field… yet it’s still their Wildcat package, because that’s what that call it.

They call it the Wildcat because Miami called it that when they revealed it, had they called it anything else it would have been called that…

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you want them to call it?

The I-formation started out in college. When it moved to the pros should they have called it the lowerecase L formation? Sure everyones I-formation will be a little different, but its still the I-formation. same goes with the wildcat.

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by gocubs526 on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

just a pet peeve of mine

Flash, Cane, Cajun, it’s all derived from some serious old school Wing T stuff anyway!!!

The “I” is the “I” in every playbook, the Wildcat is only the Wildcat in Miami’s playbook

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 22, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a lame outdated offense that was merely being used as a gimmick by Dan Henning to surprise defenses.

He did in Carolina with DeAngelo Williams, and then took it to Miami. You know how long gimmicks last in the NFL? Well… let’s just say the NFL stands for Not For Long.

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by SackMan on Sep 22, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not For Long

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by Dane Noble on Sep 22, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

wildcat means direct snap

we shouldnt rely on it at all. but around 5 plays or so a game let hester forte wolfe even knox get a direct snap and see what happens

by Bear Lovin 21 on Sep 22, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Meh

 if they do do it it should be for short yardage with a power back.

by Zarco on Sep 22, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what I care about.

Wins.
Don’t care what plays are called or what formations we run as long as we win. We can have 1,000 yards or 1 yard…. wins. Just win baby.

Record 12-4 North Champs. (Book it, Courtesy of GeauxBears)

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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

What has the wildcat done for Miami ?

Watched the Colts – Dolphins game. I must say the Dolphins Wildcat plays were very enjoyable to watch and it was hard to say which way the ball was going directly after the snap. Great stuff. 45+ minutes of the clock chewed up on possession. Incredible. They also lost. The Wildcat is not an offensive platform, but used very sparingly and with the right personnel, obviously effective.

by Irish Bears Fan on Sep 23, 2009 4:12 AM CDT reply actions  

The Dolphins have success with it...

In large part because they dedicate a huge percentage of their practice snaps to it. They know what they’re doing in it. They’ve been practicing it extensively for two seasons.

It’s just silly as a fan to “want” the Bears to run it. I don’t think the Bears are going to be good at something they practiced for 5 snaps in one week. Does anyone here seriously want Devin Hester, Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson, Garrett Wolfe, or Johnny Knox taking direct snaps? Oy. You know how many things could go wrong there?

Let Jay Cutler take all those snaps. Lord knows our offense needs the practice.

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by SackMan on Sep 23, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

if the fins played any kind of D

that would have one the game for them. you can’t say they lost because of it. are you saying controlling the ball for 45 is not the recipe for a win? you just can’t give up 80 TD’s all day on D.

by genetic on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

My only fear is...

That we would line up in a “wildcat” formation on a 3rd & short and we’d still hand the ball to Mckie on a FB Dive…

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Sep 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I Look At It This Way.

Until the Bears show they can run the ball in the traditional sense the Wild cat should not even be considered. Miami had a well established running game prior to implementing the Wildcat. With that said I do think the Bears may have some form of the Wildcat in their offense within the next 2 years. This is because the rest of the NFL is going to be running some form of it. It’s here to stay.

by Gesiakob on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

More Madden football?

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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a realistic option in real life.

by Dane Noble on Sep 25, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer the Harbaugh to Wendell Davis

70 yard bomb. Armstrong off-tackle left was pretty good too. God I miss Nintendo.

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by JerBear50 on Sep 27, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

More end arounds

With Hester and Knox’s speeds, throw in Wolfe too, I want to see some reverses and double reverses. WAKE UP TURNER

by brands735 on Sep 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

As for reverses and gadget plays

sure unveil them especially when you have guys like Hester and Knox, but less is more. Do them from time to time to plant the seed in the mind of the opposing DC, but you don’t need to make it a habit.

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by lookingdeadred on Sep 30, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, beacuse theose are big lost-yard plays when they fail.

Which is more often than not.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 1, 2009 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's

what happened to Sean Payton the last couple years (getting it together around the half-way point last year)…

by rdent4hof on Oct 1, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree use in moderation, but with Ron Turner’s predictable offensive calls, I would at least like it to give another option so the defense can only predict the play 8 out of 10 times instead of 9 out of 10 times. It is all about timing too, I don’t agree with Jim Mora’s end around with Branch on a 3rd and 1 at all. 3rd and 1, get the first down, save “gadget” plays for better opportunities.

We did run an end-around with Hester last Sunday and it worked well. Except Cutler got called for a low block (replay proved it was clean though after it was too late).

by brands735 on Oct 1, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and thank you for calling it an end-around.

I get so frustrated when people call the end-around a reverse, and call an actual reverse a double-reverse, especially when it’s a damn announcer that should know better. Just a pet peeve I guess.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 2, 2009 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems an appropriate comment

considering we’re on the “Wildcat” / “Single Wing” / “Wing T” post. ;-)

by rdent4hof on Oct 2, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol good point

Speaking of which, Billick took part in a Q & A, and was asked about the Wildcat.

“I think the basic tenets of the wildcat go back as far as the wing-T of the 1930s and 40s. I would be hesitant to ascribe credit to anybody, particularly in my lifetime, of being the protagonist of that system that, by the way, doesn’t work.”

If I’m not mistaken, it goes back further than that, but I like his answer nonetheless. :)
Link to article here.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 3, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks bro!

Really good interview. On the “Wildcat” question, I would’ve liked to have had Billick elaborate on his answer more, but a very good read none the less.

Got some things to talk about here beside the rising tide

by rdent4hof on Oct 3, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

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