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The Bears Den - 9/24/09

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....where we're baffled by the Bitter Betty's calling out the Bears.

In The Den

Chicago Sun-Times

Mark Anderson received a package from the NFL on Wednesday.

Let's not rush to judgment on the Bears' run game.

Run-challenged Bears are losing their balance.

Jay Cutler talks about how painful it would be to play with a cracked rib. 

Chicago Tribune

The win over the Steelers is one of Lovie's top five wins.

Here's a quiz on Johnny Knox.

The Bears are preparing to face Matt Hasselbeck....

....but if he can't go, an NFL scout compares Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace. 

Daily Herald

Mike Imrem has a new perspective on the Walter Payton memorial statue.

Barry Rozner discusses how Lovie Smith benefitted from the win.

The Bears DL is wreaking havoc thanks to Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli.

Alex Brown was held out of practice on Wednesday. 

ESPN Chicago

Olin Kreutz isn't dealing too kindly to the running game questions.

Alex Brown was held out of practice on Wednesday.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh is a little yappy, calling out Jerry Angelo and the Bears for not reaching out to him.

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Housh is turning into a douche

I used to like the guy and I wanted badly for the Bears to sign him back in March but first came rumors of his “I only want a team w/ a solid QB” comments, then his boycotting of Madden when he was ranked in the 80s and now saying he’s going to have a big game against us because we apparently did not reach out to him in free agency.

Hey, Housh, shut up! You got your money, are you going to try to have good games against all of the other 29 teams that blew you off (Minny supposedly was his other choice right? So I’m counting Seattle, Chicago and Minny) too? Because that only seems fair.

by Sam Householder on Sep 24, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

First of all,

Was he implying Carson wasn’t a solid QB? Secondly, Being ranked in the 80s on Madden is accurate. Housh is only a “Solid” #2 receiver. The #2 receivers are always ranked in the 80s unless you’re an Anquan Boldin type or Hynes Ward even. Which he is not.

by Big Ike on Sep 24, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

i thought that during a radio interview, he had stated he had no interest in Chicago

"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler

by BearNecessities on Sep 24, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

All i know is Houshmandzadeh can't speak English.

Personally I don’t mind that the Bears passed on him. Something about that dude is weird. I really hope the Bears but on a good showing, if not I’ll be kinda disappointed.

Derreck Rose, you’ve gotta be flat-out kidding me. Double overtime! Triple overtime!

by SoulEater7 on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I kinda wanna relax this Sunday.

That last game was kind of like a roller coaster of emotion. I really want to see a beat down. I hope the Bears can take care of business up in Seattle.

Derreck Rose, you’ve gotta be flat-out kidding me. Double overtime! Triple overtime!

by SoulEater7 on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

i’d rather we spend the money on a receiver in next years draft or develop our own players than pick up t.j.

by Da Sassage on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got 46% on the Johnny Knox Quiz

I thought the grandma lennie tattoo was a joke answer lol. Good stuff

His coach said his smile stood out the most? …..awkward

by Chitownproduct on Sep 24, 2009 7:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Lmao !!!!!!

awww sooo what your saying is.His Grandma is a dude and his coach is gay???

lol i thought the same thing!

by bears rock on Sep 24, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah man, the Bears ain't holler at Housh...

That’s straight wack!

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Really...

I honestly thought this guy was pretty articulate. Either I’ve mis-remembered, or he got a lobotomy when they gave him all that salad to move to Seattle. What gives, Hoesh-Ma-Zode???

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I used to think so too.

Although he did say, “I could care less.” So technically, that means he either cares some or he “ain’t” that bright or articulate? I’m gonna pick option B.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Confused, I am. Clarity, I seek.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, the NFL fined Anderson for retaliating.

And, more likely, the push on the referee – but that was incidental, right?

Then, they chose to do nothing against Carter for leading with the crown of his helmet – twice? I missed what happened to Alex Brown and Hunter Hillenmeyer, but many have said those were pretty blatant as well. FTW?!?

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Obviously the hits by Carter were a lot more dangerous than Anderson's late shove...

I’m just glad Olsen didn’t end up with a concussion on that first one that shook him up.

by JimmyMack on Sep 24, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Carter

was fined 5,000 today. The story is available on the Trib.

by Virto on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw that, after I posted.

Plus, Snydor posted it down below. Good lookin’ out though!

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I LOVE how Jay Cutler wins a game against Pittsburgh with a 100+ QB rating

And nobody in the local or national media is bashing him this week for his press conferences. What a friggin joke our media is.

I’m also sick to death of this week-long media infatuation with run balance.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Sep 24, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Cutler is definately NOT a media favorite

But we’re not paying him for his popularity, now are we? And I could care less about the running game, as long as we keep playing well against good teams like the Steelers.

by JimmyMack on Sep 24, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our sports coverage has turned into a tabloid

It’s disgusting. The Bears goal is to win football games, not to please crappy sports journalists.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Sep 24, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhhh...

…you mean creepy sports journalists?

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Sep 24, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

jimmy mac wasn't a media favorite either

that’s why we love him. i kind of hope cutler gets in trouble for something he says, then he could sport a “GOODELL” headband during a game.

by genetic on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

bears throwback

if the bears were to have a throwback jersey game… which would look kind of like how they do now… cutler should definitely sport a headband. they could do the superbowl shuffle during halftime.

by Da Sassage on Sep 24, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone read LeGere's column in the Daily Herald today about Hester keeping his punt return duties?

In the article, Lovie is quoted as saying “he’s a great punt returner, I’m pleased with everything he’s done”. Is he serious? Has Lovie been on vacation the last 18 games? Not only has Hester not been a “great punt returner” for more than a season, he has actually been a very bad returner during that time. This hasn’t just been a 3-4 game slump, it has been an entire season and now 1/8 of a second season doing the exact same thing. It’s comments like this from Lovie that make me want to see him replaced if they don’t reach the playoffs again.

by BearFan611 on Sep 24, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

To be fair...

What do you want him to say to the media?

“Devin’s just been sucking lately – time to move on from that bum. He had IT once, but IT’s gone now.”

I kinda feel like they’re keeping him at punt returner and letting him try to break the record this year. He only needs one – right? Plus, I don’t think Lovie’s ready to let go of the idea that he can do both effectively, just yet anyways.

I know they’ve given him time to prove it thus far, but I still think he deserves more. He WAS, arguably, the best returner of all-time at one point. He has single-handedly won games for us with his return-abiity*. I kind of want to see him break the record and then some.

*Two buzz words in one sentence… Awesome!

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I don't expect him to be that blunt

but what’s wrong in saying something like “Devin’s been having some problems, but we’re working on those and expect him to rebound in the next few games”. My only point was stop trying to B.S. all of us and worry about hurting players feelings who are not doing the job.

by BearFan611 on Sep 24, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind it if Lovie was a tad more upfront with the media.

But that’s just not who he is (at least from what I have seen). And, I don’t believe his players would respect him as much as they do, if he didn’t worry about that. I’m sure he has talks with his players who he doesn’t feel are pulling their weight, but I, for one, am glad he doesn’t call them out in the media.

I guess I’m riding solo on the Lovie bandwagon, though. I actually like the guy.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Smudgers...

I like Lovie.

Even if you don’t like him you need to look at the state of the Bears when Lovie took over. Defense was slightly above average, offense and ST were mediocre at best, and Green Bay under Favre owned us…

And out of his 3 goals he metioned at his opening presser:

1. Beat Green Bay
2. Win the Division
3. Win the Super Bowl

He’s 2.5/3 and that ain’t bad!

He’s the third most successful coach in Bears history behind only the famed Coach Ditka and Papa Bear Halas, we might want to cut him just a little slack!!!!!!

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Sep 24, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then there were two!

46-36 with a .561 winning percentage. Not bad, considering he went 5-11 his first year, and has only had one losing (7-9 in 2007) season since. Plus, he is cool personified. Not that I have a man crush on him or anything (reserved for Dave Toub and Orlando Bloom)… Just saying.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No man crush for Marinelli?

Too soon in the courtship?

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a little rough around the edges, for my taste!

I like my man crushes to be on the softer side (see: Bloom, Orlando)…. Um, I mean…. Which way to the gym?!?

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice save

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

It’s a good thing these threads don’t save.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to use it as my sig

Don’t worry, I’ll give credit to you for saying it.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

That’s the thing about these boards, you say something one day and it’s a signature the next.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem. I am always here for you.

Weren’t you going to use the “Google your yahoo til you twitter all over my facebook” one as well? Not really sure how that got started that night.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure either

But don’t worry….that signature will pop up soon.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 26, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look forward to it, Hammer!

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

F#@^in Hester Haters

dude, give it a rest. all offseason i had to read all the BS about how hester will never be a good WR, he sucks, blah blah blah. now he sucks at punt returns. have you by any chance seen a freakin lane open up for him yet? i sure as hell haven’t. there’s been a lot of turnover on special teams, it takes some time. i’m sure toub will get it straightened out. hester can’t do it all by himself you know.

from what i’ve seen, he’s had the opportunity to gain a few more yards here and there but big deal. i’ll take a few sideways 0 yard gains from him because there’s no hole and he’s trying to make something happen.

and i believe he needs two to break the record.

by genetic on Sep 24, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now wait a minute

To be fair, there’s a problem with your argument. Yes, there might not be a lane open. However, just because a lane isn’t open does not mean you should run east and west rather than north and south.

My problem with Hester’s returning is he tries to be way too cute and he usually runs E&W pretty consistently. I’d rather have Danieal Manning go out there.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me exactly what Manning has done to prove he is the one for the job.

Mind you he lost a game against t the Texans with a fumble on a return. Hester has NEVER lost us a game with a fumble, and I want to know in those last 18 games who has the most return TDs cause it cant be more than 3. So what are we really talking about.

Just because he isnt walking on water like he was in his 1st two seasons doesnt mean he isnt the right man for the job. And dont give me that fatigue crap its a bunch of bull, I could spew off a bunch of returners that carry double duties (Sproles, Cribbs, Leon Washington, Desean Jackson, the “almighty Daniel Manning”). All of those guys have other responsibilities then just returning kicks.

Kick returning is about confidence and its not about anything else, compare it to David Ortiz losing his Home Run swing for like 80 games its kind of the same thing. Hester has just gotta find his swing so to speak, once he breaks one, LOOK OUT, and if anyone needs to make the switch I believe it should be Knox for Manning for the sole reason that Manning is not completely healthy and that is a big risk, considering the problems weve had with injury problems. Other than that both of them are just fine just where they are.

Please enough of the Hester Hatin

BEAR DOWN

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not hating on Hester

Let’s make that clear off the bat.

Why do I want Manning to be the punt and kickoff returner? Well, that’s pretty obvious: When he gets the ball, he runs north and south and looks for a seam as he’s gaining yardage. When Hester gets the ball, he runs north for a little bit, then runs east and west trying to find a seam.

No one would be happier than me to see Hester regain his old form. However, he’s been trying to find it for a year and has come up with jack squat. I’d rather Hester concentrate on being a WR and let Manning or Knox (whoever) deal with the return duties.

I’m a fan of Hester, but I’m also a realist. And the reality is that he’s lost his touch to date. Hell, I’d be satisfied if Hester would gain 10 yards every punt return, but he can’t even do that.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well to say Manning is for sure the guy

lets wait and see him play a WHOLE year at least before we come to that conclusion. Hester has had IT a lot longer than he hasnt had IT. So I say we give him the rest of this year at the very least. I think we all including the Bears owe him that much considering he is THE GREATEST KICK RETURNER OF ALL TIME.

Lets not throw in the towel just yet. When I see him return one the way he did against Denver that tells me hes still got it. And you know whats funny all he really has to do is return one for the year and people will be off his back, I mean Manning returned one last year and all of a sudden he is soo much better than Hester. Not to mention if he does in fact return one, no ones going to kick to him anyway.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

But why?

Manning usually gains a good chunk of yards – on punt returns, Hester either gains a meager amount of yards or loses some.

I’m not about giving credit or elevating folks to God-like statuses. I’m about winning football games. Giving our offense better field position is something that we can do to help our cause, and Manning has shown in recent history that he does it better than Hester.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont seem to remember when Manning returned punts.....

I could be wrong though. But it would be a first considering Im never wrong!

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I see it wasn’t clear, that’s my fault. I meant that Hester either gains a meager amount of yards or loses some on punt returns.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea now I get it.

We are on the same page now.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we at least agree that he deserves the rest of this year to try to turn it around?

Last year it wasnt as much East to West that was the problem it was the fact that he was running BACKWARDS that was the problem. He has seems to have gotten that out of his system. Yea the East to West thing is frustrating because we all just want him to return to form especially me.

But I get what he is trying to do, he is trying to find that crease and a cut back block, so far they havent been there. Everyone needs to Pump their Brakes, give him some more chances, because the upside if he does get it turned around is astronomical compared to the upside on some of our other options. Yes I agree if it starts COSTING us games then we have a problem. But that hasnt been the case. Lets not forget his first two years were a gift from God himself, no one has ever done what he did and no one will ever do it again short of Devin Hester.

So if Hester is at fault for anything, its setting the bar so high that he just cant reach it anymore. But hey it wasnt too long ago that Bobby Wade was returning punts and muffing them twice a game, and costing us games which Hester has never done.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, not really

Hester wasn’t great last year too. I’d rather end the Hester era at punt returning.

I understand that he was awesome his first two years – he was a great returner for us. But let’s hand off those duties to someone who can execute better than Hester can right now.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who on our roster is better

at PR than Hester?

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by Dane Noble on Sep 24, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ive been asking the same question.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

This argument comes up every couple of weeks

without fail. But, no matter how we feel about it, Hester is gonna stay on PR, with a few possible appearances by Knox, and Manning is going to handle KR duties (with a little Knox sprinkled in there too).

The Bears might use Hester in some KR situations where we need a big play (if we are behind late), but I don’t think there is a chance at all that Manning comes in at PR. He just isn’t shifty enough.

Regardless of Hester’s recent performances, he still changes the gameplan of the kicking team when he is on the field. Taking him completely out of the picture would not help our cause.

I still think Knox is the wild card in all of this return business.

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by Dane Noble on Sep 24, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um
Regardless of Hester’s recent performances, he still changes the gameplan of the kicking team when he is on the field.

Please tell me you’re kidding. This isn’t 2006. I mean, Hester does change the gameplan – teams know that he’ll putz around with the ball and won’t be a threat.

Again fellas, Hester was a great returner a few years ago. Those days are done. I want better field position over keeping Hester back there and watching him bumble his way for a 3 yard gain.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hester does change the gameplan – teams know that he’ll putz around with the ball and won’t be a threat.

Considering he is less than a month removed from that 54 yard bumble of a punt return versus Denver, I have a hard time agreeing with you.

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by Dane Noble on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you would have an argument

except it was a preseason game. Mind pointing out a pattern of good Hester punt returns either last year or this year?

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure.

Last year, he had 7 PRs over 12 yards, and 4 over 20 yards. Not mind-blowing, but also not indicative of a washed up returner either.

And he had 6 KRs over 25 yards, including a 41 yarder against Tennessee and a 51 yarder against Philly.

And the 54 yarder this preseason… just because it was preseason doesn’t mean his level of talent was lower.

Point is, Hester will make a difference when he is on the field. Your comment about teams not having to worry about him is silly… you and I both know he is a threat to score every time he touches the ball, especially in PRs.

Learning a new position (WR) will certainly justify a drop off in efficiency in returns, but it doesn’t remove the talent. The talent is still there… which is why he is still returning punts.

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by Dane Noble on Sep 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the other point is

PR is very different from KR. a punt returner barely ever has even a second to get running fullspeed ahead. i’ve argued on this board before that manning should be the KR over hester and i still feel that way. it’s a different skill set. another point is teams do still gameplan for hester, they kick it higher and shorter giving him even less time to get situated.

damn, too many replies on this thread.

by genetic on Sep 24, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i’ve argued on this board before that manning should be the KR over hester

He is.

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by Dane Noble on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was just backing up the point

that i’m not just a hester worshipper

by genetic on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ive heard that it will be Knox returning kicks this week and the great Daniel Manning will just be on defense

Thats what Lovie was saying I think.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since I inadvertently started this mess, let me chime in again.

I wrote in another post a few days ago about a similar subject and my feeling is that I would rather see Hester returning Kickoffs than punts. My reasoning is that he seems to lack judgement when fielding punts and he has less space before the first tackler gets there. His strongpoint has never been elusiveness in close quarters which is more important in PR’s than KR’s. Devin’s speed and his ability to outrun angles got him the yards on his first two years and since there is more open space on KR’s before the first wave of tacklers get there, I think his confidence level would be higher running North/South with more room. If he can get his mojo back doing that then, perhaps, you could try him on punts again.

by BearFan611 on Sep 24, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its all about confidence

They just got to get him to break one just one and it will snowball

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read (and no I don't have a link)

that Knox is taking over the KR duties and Manning is focusing solely on D. Might just be fantasy fodder but that’s what i read. I’m too lazy right now to back up anything I say. But maybe I’ll get the drive later on to find it. Right now not so much.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link’ers

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they say being lazy will never pay off.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was rough!

I had to spend a whole 4 seconds typing “Knox taking over for Manning” into Google.

Ya Lazy Bum! ;)

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said I was too lazy

too back up what i said. :) What more do you want from me? I said it, you backed it up for me. Win win in my book.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or as Michael Scott would say...

Maybe it’s a “win-win-win situation!”

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

Pick a person. Because I’m fairly sure anyone can run north and south instead of sideways.

I'M A MAN! I'M 23!

by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about Gesiakob?

I think he’d be up to running N-S.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe this will kick start the campaign for you.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What we need to do is start a campaign to get Ayanbedejo back

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well honestly

I don’t really think we need Femi Ayanbajejo.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh now I get how you worded it, you didnt say he returned punts.........

But still to my point he has never returned punts so to say he will automatically have the same success that he has had on kick returns isnt in the book.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

But why not try it? It can’t be worse than the job Hester’s doing. If Manning does punt returns and it turns out he sucks, we don’t lose much. If he’s better, we have the potential to gain a lot.

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by ChiFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you want a banged up Free Safety/Nickel Back

Returning punts and kicks right after the defense gets off the field. As opposed to Hester returning punts when hes had a chance to rest while the defense was at work.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok now hold on those #1, 2, 3 wide reciever spots that people get all caught up in......

Are a little overplayed, we have a WR by committee and my point was yea I dont care too much that he isnt returning Kickoffs and just punts but the fact that he has a little time to rest before he returns punts because he hasnt been on the field like Manning would be before a punt during a defensive series.

Not to mention they almost always go to a commercial break when possession changes after a punt. So to say that he couldnt handle that would be outlandish. And my main point is that Manning still isnt completely healthy.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok its clear that you have given up on Hester returning kicks, I havent ...........

But if Manning doesnt return a kick all season then I would love to see what people say about him. How come no ones counting the games since Manning returned a kick to the house ( its up to 4 now, everyone freak out).

I will have to admit, since I predicted that Hester was going to shock the world the day we drafted him (Im a secondary fan of THE U, second to the Irish of course) that my opinion is a little bias. But its not unfounded, so what was that return against Denver, LUCK?!?!, seems to me he knows what hes doing back there he just got to get that swagger back.

But hey I do get where you are coming from, well have to agree to disagree, but I want you to check out this DVD I made ( I actually met Hester at camp and gave it to him myself)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmrOkD6HNM

On a few of them you tube cut out the sound for reasons unknown but not on 1 of 6 or 4 and 5 of 6 (something to do with the music), you should check out the ones that actually have sound. If youre interested in attaining one with sound all the way through email me gbraggsjr@yahoo.com.

Its a must have as a Bears fan, took me a long time to do, almost 3 years of attaining highlights on TV.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The quality of the sound and picture are waayyyyyy better than on how its portrayed on this cite.......

But they kept cutting out sound and things because of copyright crap.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really just watch 4 of 6 and you will get an idea of how great this DVD is.

Phil: " Whose baby is that?
Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover

by ANYTIME09 on Sep 24, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

You’re both being accurate. When Brabdon Ayabendejo (sp?) left, I think it screwed up the PR team pretty bad. I also think Hester tries too hard to make something out of nothing and also to avoid mistakes. I think he has too much confidence in himself (runs EW looking for an opportunity) and not enough in his blockers (fair catches alot.)
I also think his reputation and ability as a PR dictates leaving him there. Teams will either play him ultra-conservatively or eventually get burned. He definately hasn’t slowed down. I believe he’ll break one soon. Again, just MHO.

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Sep 24, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes!

I can spell Brandon. That was a typo. Sorry.

Getcha Beernuts Ready!

by Fly1965 on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha.

Except it’s “Brendon” Ayanbadejo. ;)

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

First of all, take a pill or something to calm down...

what I wrote was referring to Lovie’s handling of the question posed as if there has been nothing wrong with Hester’s returns. A typical “Lovie Hiding His Head in the Sand so I won’t make one of my players feel bad” comment. Like I said, this hasn’t been a 3-4 game slump, it’s been more than a season. I get a kick out of you F#@^in Hester Lovers who, because he had a great couple of seasons of returns 2 years ago, are willing to give him a lifetime pass when he is, obviously, not getting the job done. Also, unlike some moronic fans who think that because he’s not getting TD’s he sucks, I have always claimed I’d just like to see him get some positive yardage for a change and stop making bad decisions back there.

Personally, I don’t care if he breaks a record or not, I only want the Bears to win football games. If Hester can stop doing a poor job, great, if not, accept it as a coaching staff and replace him just like you would any other position.

by BearFan611 on Sep 24, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bears D

2nd in the league in forcing negative yardage plays. Is good to see Dline/Marnelli/Lovie off to a solid start.

Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. -Merle Kessler

by MauryBufordSF on Sep 24, 2009 9:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

No matter what it was a good hit.

But as a Bears fan…. It serves the f*cker right for leading with his head.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree totally

But he states he hit him in the shoulder. That’s not the problem though he led with his head. He might still be a little woozy from the hit.

by Syndor on Sep 24, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably from both hits.

I probably would’ve stayed down but that could be a reason why I don’t play in the NFL.

And in honor of the fine I bring you All Time Big Hits!!!

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Some of those looked absolutely devastating!

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

All would be illegal now. Nice to see Butkus in a clip.

More from # 51

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 24, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It makes me wonder...

How football would be today if that playing style was legal combined with the freakishly athletic ability of some of the players currently in the game.

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dead bodies

that’s all I can say. Dead bodies.

You can't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how World War One got started.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 25, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

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