Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Seahawks Game
by Dane Noble on Sep 28, 2009 9:01 AM CDT
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PrintA lot of us expected to roll into Seattle and have an easy Sunday afternoon, especially considering the injuries the Seahawks were nursing. But, to their credit, Seattle went down swinging.
- Roberto Garza does a good job when he pulls to the outside to lead block. He's done that quite a few times so far this season.
- The offensive line doesn't seem to hold the pocket together for very long. Jay Cutler seems to have less time to make a decision than a lot of other QBs.
- On one play, Cutler did actually have good protection, but he rolled out of the pocket (and into pressure) anyway. I guess he is used to not having much time.
- Nick Roach played very aggressively last night. He wasn't always in the right place, but shed some good blocks, and hit very hard.
- Danieal Manning showed some great sideline to sideline speed while playing in the secondary.
- Charles Tillman seems to get beat on a lot of routes. He is constantly either out of position, or getting beat deep. But then he'll come out and force a fumble or get an INT, so I'm not sure what to think about him.
- Lance Briggs is really good. I wish he had slowly been learning the MLB position over the last couple of years.
- Bennett is quick to avoid a hit after the catch. Whether he is ducking out in the open field, or heading out of bounds, the kid doesn't want to get hit.
- On that crucial 4th and inches at the end, the camera was on Tommie Harris... and before the snap, he looked gassed. He looked like he could barely stand up.
- I hate the bend but don't break defense. I hate the bend but don't break defense. I hate the bend but don't break defense. There, I said it 3 times while clicking my heels together.
- Matt Forte quietly had over 100 yards in total offense last night.
Johnny Knox averaged 33.5 yards on four kick off returns last night.
Okay, so now for a couple of other things...
I found myself last night (again) trying to convince myself that it is still early in the season, and that our offense still needs more time to jell. We have a ton of new faces on our offense that have never played together before, and that certainly has got to play into why we have zero offensive rhythm for a lot of the first three games.
Sure, you can look at the stats, and say that we are improving with each game played. But the stats don't always reflect the true story. Last night, until well into the 4th quarter, we had zero offensive rhythm. Period. Our offense could not get squat accomplished until late in the game.
I hate having a Bye week so early in the season, but our offense needs the extra time after the first 4 games of the season. We have Detroit next week, then 2 weeks to prepare for Atlanta. We have got to figure out how to get a quicker start on offense by then.
The Bears also registered three more sacks on the season. Briggs, Anthony Adams, and Mark Anderson all recorded a sack lat night. The Bears also had 6 QB hits.
Chicago also got hit with another 60 yards worth of penalties. Twice, our flag gave Seattle a first down. We have got to be more disciplined.
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Tillman IS DONE!!!!!!!!
Charles “Peanut” Tillman is done after this season as a BEAR. He tried to strip the ball instead of making the tackle on J. Jones, giving Jones an easy run in for the TD.
Really?
Use hyperbole much?
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" - Ditka
Hillenmeyer should have wrapped up while he tried to strip the ball
that’s what they practice all the time. Tillman is the man, you are not.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Sep 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh... what aboutr
all the absolute game winning turnovers he’s been involved in… one bad play, and you wanna cut him… if you were in charge we’d be worse than the Lions were last year.
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, he stripped Housh later in the game.
Tillman is our best player in the secondary, and that’s without any training camp run.
mostly agree
i noticed that about bennett, but at least he’s catching the ball.
roach looked pretty good, almost makes me want to say give him a shot over hillenmyer.
briggs has to stay at will, that’s where he’s the best. that interception was unbelievable.
harris was better but still not good enough. gilbert was active but didn’t get a single snap. why?
the o line needs work, hopefully time will help it improve.
we definitely don’t have problems on the kick return team. maynard was pretty bad, hopefully it’s just a bad game and nothing’s wrong with him.
Roach and Hillenmeyer
I get the feeling that Hunter is just not physically large enough to withstand an entire season at MLB. Note I am not saying the Roach should start necessarily, but I was happy to see him step in without too many problems being exposed.
Oh, and Maynard will be fine :)
HH
is the same height as BU, and only 20 lbs less in weight.
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
Bennett is not a RB alot of the smaller Wr’s make the catch get a few yards and get down no need to get hurt for an extra yard when it’s not a critical play in the game..I bet when the game is on the line he will go all out he’s playin smart and he had 80 yrds recieving soundz like a good game to me!
Is it just me
or does Forte look like he has been running injured this year. He just doesnt look like he has been making the quick cuts that he was making last year.
No that’s not you,I can’t say i disagree but there were 2 runs in the game.Where Forte looked like himself,but at the same time he had over 100 total yards in the game.What I worry about is his fumbles,he didn’t fumble all year last year and now he has 2.
As far as Roach,I never really liked him before.I always preferred Williams over Roach, but
Roach,had 3 big plays
1 He was there,to pressure Wallace,and then he threw the pic to Briggs
2 He was there,on the 3rd down on the last drive he was all over the white guy.That Wallace was trying to throw too.
3He was there,on 4th down.
The goal line one really doesn't count
but the fumbles have me surprised too.
by CutlerDabears on Sep 28, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He looks slow
That one 5-6 yard play he had should’ve wen’t for at least 10-15. There was a huge hole created by Williams and Garza on the right side, but he got tripped up by a blade of grass.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
He supposedly hurt his knee in the first quarter and had to go to the locker room to get taped up.
Maybe that had something to do with it.
I agree with most of your comments...
the one play with Bennett though, it looked more like he thought he was closer to the sideline than he was so when he turned it looked tentative but I think he was trying to stay in bounds.
What you said about the line holding the pocket is 100% true, he is taking a beating even though he’s not getting sacked. Not to get into the whole Orton debate, but if you watch any highlights of the Bronco game yesterday, Kyle was even completing passes downfield. I’m not comparing his ability vs. Jay’s but it makes you think about what affect the line had on his ability to throw long last year. He didn’t seem to have a problem when he was at Purdue. Now if Cutler continues having problem with throwing downfield, you have to look at the blocking schemes and personnel.
With Orton behind our OL,
he gets sacked 5 times per game, and completes nothing downfield.
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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
Your point is also a point for Jay Cutler
half his value is his poise and his ability to step up (or out) of the pocket and make shit happen despite a shitty O-Line.
Bear Down, Chicago Bears!
Very true and I am concerned about the hits he is taking too.
That can’t continue and have him survive the season.
Were making more plays downfield than we ever did last year, despite poor line play
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Sep 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But last year shouldn't be the yardstick with Cutler our QB now.
He isn’t able to set up to throw long accurately because they can’t give him enough time.
Why are we complaining about 21-27 for 250?
we are moving the ball very well through the air, even with the putrid running game and he has done a good job of moving around the pocket. Twice yesterday we threw long with a manageable third down conversion (3rd and 6) and we are throwing deep?? Either poor play call or poor decision by jay. get the first down and go deep on playaction on 1st or 2nd down.
I don't think either of us is complaining about Cutler's performance,
the issue is the o-line is not blocking well for him. If they get their act together he could be even more effective, not to mention a lot less beat up. With more time, his accuracy on the longer throws would be back to his normal standard. That’s all I’m saying. I wasn’t critcizing Jay or his performance at all.
Orton had 157 yds passing and 56.2 completion %
I didn’t see one long pass all day, even though it was available cause their running game (over 200 yds) would have set it up nicely on play-action. He actually missed a wide-open WR at one point downfield, and his long for the day was only 24 yds.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Mr. 56%
Blah.
Meanwhile Cutler’s making plays downfield and completing 71% last week, and 77% yesterday.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Exactly
Cutler would be tearing up right now if he was still with the Donkeys. Easily 80% completion, with 5-7 TD passes and zero sacks.
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You're acting as if I'm saying Orton is better than Cutler...
all I’m saying is that the O-line for the Broncos is outperforming our O-line. Cutler would be even more effective if the rest of those guys did their job the way they should be.
What are you saying?
Last season Cutler averaged 7.3 Y/A, this year he’s averaging 7.5. That’s after playing three fairly stout defenses with receivers that he’s still figuring out. Our passing game is fine, and our offensive line will mesh with time. He’s been sacked six times while being heavily blitzed for the better part of the first three games this year.
I'm saying our line has not done a good job in pass protection.
The only reason Cutler hasn’t been sacked more often is his ability to get rid of the ball quickly but he’s still getting hit after he throws on most pass plays. He’s been checking down to the shorter routes because he doesn’t have the time to set up in the pocket or to let the routes develop.
cutler is taking a beating
it will be amazing if he lasts the whole year.
Tillman
I think Peanut is just rusty with all the time he’s missed. I hope that’s the case, at least.
What about Bowman?
Seattle wasn’t afraid of him yesterday.
Line
This is the worst offensive line I’ve ever seen. Replace Kreutz with Beekman and that’s a start. Forte will look like this all year if he keeps running behind this line.
I agree that Beekman should be in
but not for Kreutz, put Beekman in for Omiyale.
This offensive line has yet to gel, if they ever do, Kruetz will be at center. I’m certainly not saying Kruetz is flawless, but he is a captain and a leader.
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
I agree about Kreutz
he has been the worst one of all. I know that is not popular because he is a fan favorite but he is John Tait re do..he has hit the wall and can’t move anyone in the middle of the field. I am afraid we are stuck with him underachieving the whole year..
Yes
It seems blasphemous (sp.?) to say anything bad about Kreutz but he’s terrible. I’ve been watching him alot this year and he gets blown off the ball on nearly every snap. A couple times yesterday, he was laying on the ground(along with Omiyale) while the Seahawks D line was destroying Forte. Not to mention, I think it’s time to blame Kreutz for all the snap exchanges. That’s Grossman, Orton, and now Cutler a couple times fumbling the snap. Is it a coincidence? I don’t think so. These are my unqualified opinions, but the Bears management has to be seeing the same thing, right?
This O line, with exception of Pace, is very undersized I believed. They get handled on run blocking but seem to do a better job of pass protection. I don’t know, it’s probably just me but I think this line is terrible and don’t have much faith in the Bears ever establishing a run game.
Can you imagine how much better Cutler and this offense can be with more time in the pocket and Forte averaging, hell, even 4 ypc instead of 2.5?
If we were able to run the ball with last years line
then we should be able to run with this line. Last year’s was awful starting with Tait, who was done and the turnstile known as St.Clair. I still believe Beekman is a better run blocker than Omiyale, but the big difference is Kreutz. Not getting off the ball, not turning people away from the play, etc..But our tackles are a significant upgrade over last year and I think we will see a shift in our run game plan. More stretch plays and counters and less run up the gut where we are getting no push.
The difference between last years line and this years line
is continuity. You can’t expect this line to play as well in all aspects. And last years line was not superior by any means. Give them time to gel and find a groove.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That is my point DW
This years line will be far superior to last years in due time and with an adjustment to the run scheme. I am a little worried about being successful on third and short becuase of the lack of push we get in the middle but I think (outside of Omiyale) we will be fine if Kreutz gets his head out of his ass..
Kreutz is living off of his reputation..
And we knew heading into the season that Pace was sort of a gamble and Williams was still a relative unknown. So, we really didn’t know what to expect. I was shocked at how much the Bears paid to bring in Omiyale, who’s basically been a career back-up
Maybe the line will gel as the year goes on, and offer Cutler better protection – and Forte somewhere to run.
TJ sure embarrassed the heck out of our D, didn't he?
He put up, what, 35 yards on us? Man that guy has our number.
Four more yards and he would have been the second leading receiver on his team… he would have been better than a running back!
I am so afraid of that guy, his talk really had me scared.
Ya
I missed posting that… a critical fumble lost in a really tough spot for his team…
Way too many blitzes so far - just like last season
Granted they were playing a running QB yesterday, but they still rarely got to him, despite it looking like a complete sell – out at times on the blitz. This is not a good trend for the future – Ryan will kill us if we try that crap on Atlanta. So will most other experienced QB’s – even the geezer in MN.
Turner
was way too conservative with his play-calling late in the game. Why the heck was GW out there on an important 3rd and 1? Only when they were losing did he try to play to win the game.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Hey!!!
That’s my thing.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me...
Is Jim Mora Sr. gonna bash Jim Mora Jr. for throwing F bombs about his kicker at the post-game conference? Because, Mora Sr. certainly had no problem bashing Cutler for “shrugging and smirking” during the post-game after Green Bay. What an A—Hole.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Totally wrong by Jr.
That’s rediculous to throw his kicker under the bus like that. There’s this thing called professionalism; there were no guarantees they would’ve won the game anyways.
Because, Mora Sr. certainly had no problem bashing Cutler for "shrugging and smirking" during the post-game after Green Bay. What an A—Hole.
Jay certainly is getting a double-standard around the NFL. I can care less what his countenance looks like…just keep producing in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line baby!
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
Nah he won't say anything about it.
He might call Jr and shout into the phone. PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS!!!!! But that’s about it.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
"hey dad. hey son!"
“PLAYOFFS?!?!?!”
“dad?”
“PLAYOFFS!?!?!?!?!”
lol
and once again, Ditkavsworld, you have an awesome commercial quote as your sig. That makes me laugh every single time it’s on.
Thanks. I hear things and they stick and I go
why not make it a sig. Good times.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If nothing else
Briggs is indeed a man amongst men. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at MLB and roach on the side..if only briggs had been worked a bit at the position.
you can't put briggs
at MLB… he’s not an MLB, and then we would lose an all pro outside LB, becoming an average MLB. it makes no sense to do that.
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not just that Briggs is inexperienced at MLB
He doesn’t want to play the position.
I'd like to add anote:
Yesterday, while watching… I often found myself yelling “stay on your feet” after we made a catch. I’m usually yelling this at Greg Olsen. It’s like he catches the ball and goes down right away every time. Is this a product of timing on the route, or is this the nature of how he plays? It’s becoming very routine.
Was great to see Hester and Knox run and score after catching the ball. Racking up those YACs… especially Hester, after contact. Beautiful. Those are the kind of plays that the opposition usually makes against us.
Overall… our offense just doesn’t look fluid. It’s a work in progress.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Think alike
You and me think alike Sackman. I say the same things about Olsen. He seems to be a little soft. Scared to take a hit. You said something about Bennett playing very tentative I believe and agree as well.
I love how they are using Knox. Kudos to Turner? I’ve seen him run many crossing routes and love that. If they can alternate between Knox and Hester running crossing routes and some deep routes, this offense could be explosive.
What's scares me
Is that we barely won against a team missing a ton of people, and all core people too. Walter Jones, Hasselbeck, Tatupu, Corners. We should have dominated them (even in Seattle) based on how depleted they were.
I remain hopefully optimistic that we can get it together and play a complete game.
if we don’t, we’re going to catch a bad one against teams like the Vikes and Falcons.
Hass
wouldn’t have faired any better than Wallace. Actually, I believe his mobility would’ve resulted in more sacks for the Bears and may have produced another turnover.
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Yes, we would have had more success
against an injured QB than a healthy one. But, had Hasselbeck been healthy, he likely would have torn our DBs a new one.
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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
IMO
Wallace pretty much tore up our secondary. The middle of the field is gaping wide-open; this is where Urlacher is missed most.
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by propheteer on Sep 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What we played
Was a team with something to prove. All week what have people been saying, even in Seattle? No way they can win with so many out, no way can they win with backups. They’ll be steamrolled. They gave up 200+ on the ground. They suck!
So what we got was a team that was going to play harder than ever before. Bigger than they’re supposed to be.
I do also think that if we had the same penetration we did yesterday with Hasslebeck in, we’d have several more sacks on the stat sheet.
Well I think what needs to happen
Is that it may be time to start thinking of moving Peanut to Safety. He’s getting close to the “Rod Woodsen” portion of his career. He’s gone from Shut down Corner to very good corner, to decent corner/play maker. So maybe next season the Bears will take a serious look at this.
I really don't agree with that
I still think Peanut is your best corner
Anyone else
hear about Al Davis firing EVERYONE?
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
The writer over at Field Gulls wrote that article,
if this is the one you are talking about.
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Just because it can be done on Madden NFL does not automatically make it a viable option in real life.
it is
i was just wondering if it was “on the level”
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
On the level?
He fired executives, players, former players and coaches. Davis severed his contract with Friendly Vending, citing slow restocking of Hot Tamales. He fired Strength and Conditioning Coach Brad Roll and added “you got an hour to grab your jock and vacate, Roll.” He fired every member of his roster by name, firing JaMarcus Russell twice.
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by David Taylor on Sep 28, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
if it was in fact
true or not
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty sure he's pointing out
that it’s not.
I know Uncle Al does some crazy shite,
But you seriously believe this could be true? That Al Davis would say “grab your jock and vacate, roll?” Or that a blogger on the Field Gulls site broke the “story?” And that if there’s a slight possibility of it’s validity, that it wouldn’t be plastered all over the front page of EVERY three and four letter network?
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by David Taylor on Sep 28, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
could be 103 temperature i have
or just the fact that i could be slightly retarded today
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice.
Get some rest, dude!
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by David Taylor on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like the swine.
Stay away from everybody sicky.. :)
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
could be
working in a hospital and all
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
High fever is one of the indicators
You have any of these along with the fever and you might just have it. Get checked out get you some Tamiflu and you’ll be good in 2-3 days.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
could be that
i recently received my annual flu mist nasal injection
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
God I hate that stuff.
We still get the actual flu shot here.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
i thought the whole DoD was on mist now… and dont forget the H1N1 vaccine in October, it’s a double whammy this year
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah
mist or shot, depends on the facility I guess. Yeah I know that one is coming up too. Can’t wait.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 28, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing I wanted to point out
…is that Greg Olsen is a baaaaaaaaaaaaad blocker. Kerney (sp?) went right past him to strip Cutler.
How about this one...ugghh
Brandon McGowan, S, New England
Not only did McGowan do a great job in coverage on Atlanta tight end Tony Gonzalez (he caught one pass for 16 yards), but also he made the play that spurred the Patriots to an uneven 26-10 win. Late in the first half, with the game tied at 10 and the Falcons driving at the New England 27, McGowan, a marginal free-agent pickup from the Bears in the offseason, burrowed into the pile of tacklers on Michael Turner and pasted Turner, causing him to fumble.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/09/27/mmqb/4.html#ixzz0SQaOAoJP
I'm happier
with Afalava/Payne playing SS
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
McGowan
definitely wouldnt fix that role for us
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw Manning
make a number of great plays yesterday. I’m unsure if he was playing nickel or FS at the time though.
Well
he is playing for a genius. I think if you are talented enough to get drafted, Belichek can make you successful, just ask Tom Brady.
I thought McGowan was a walk on
goes to show, he can make anyone a play maker
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Our Defense
is built purely on speed, and hitting/standing up the ball carrier, and forcing the turnover… which has a huge upside (see #1 in league in turnovers since ’04)
but the downside is, we don’t wrap up tackle, because that would effectively end the play. It’s a gamble every play, and has paid off big for us in some games, and has blown some huge plays for us in others (see: Jones TD run last night)
IMO this is still the best option to play, using the current Tampa-2 scheme, stand up the runner, and strip the ball. we will overpursue as long as our Defense is undersized and quick, this method seems to play into the “strengths” of our Defense, we can’t blame a player, for not tackling, when he is doing what he is coached to do.
Should TIllman have went for the tackle? probably, but he is told to get the ball, and HH came in and hit Tillman, could have happened even if Briggs was the first LB there… nobody would be calling for Briggs to be cut.
Some of you guys are just rutheless
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
Do you mean like when Briggs knoced Bowman out for a play?
All of us must have been holding our breath on that one, thinking he was seriously injured. Thank God he only got the wind knocked out of him otherwise who knows what would have happened if we played the rest of the game with Vasher back at corner.
Very much like that
and yes… i was one of the many mass, holding my breath going… oh crap oh crap oh crap.. and they looked away from Vasher the next play… i was so thankful
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of
Did anybody else think that Briggs took the brunt of that hit? It looked like he barely hit Bowman.
Sometimes it doesn't take that much, it just has to be in the right place
but I have to confess, at the time, I thought the same exact thing that you did.
You are correct
that it is the defensive philosphy for the Bears, to cause turnovers. I think majority on here aren’t complaining about the philosphy. Football is about scoring TDs on offense and preventing TDs on defense. I think it’s smart football to go for the strip, BUT only if the ball carrier is already engaged. Going for the strip should not be priority #1. Stopping the ball carrier should be #1 priority with secondary initiative stripping the ball.
I was just trying
to point out, that our Defense is probably trained to muscle memory to strip the ball. attack the carrier, and we fans, often overlook that, and then all of a sudden, we wanna start cutting people, and reorganizing our Defense/Coaches.
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I know what you are saying. I agree with you. I was basically agreeing and just adding my $.02.
I haven’t seen much on defense aside from Vasher that is cause for concern yet this season. HH isn’t that good but he knows the system and that will always keep a player around. I think when Pisa gets back, the D will look better so I’m hoping he’ll be back for the Falcons game because the Bears are going to need him.
I hear you
and i think that HH is getting more of a bad rap than anything… one muffed tackle, and now roach/williams are a better replacement, because they came in and made 2 plays… granted they helped win the game, but should that solidify a starting spot over a several year vet who knows this system?
When Pisa comes back, and it’s Pisa, HH, Briggs… i dont think we’ll be complaining. no one has really mentioned that Bowman looked…average last night either. we are so used to superstars at LB, that when a good player is out there, we think they suck.
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I have one bone to pick with the game.
Why is Garrett Wolfe getting three straight carries at a critical juncture of the game? He’s not a RB, plain and simple. Where’s his speed? You gotta be a Leon Washington or Darren Sproles if you’re that small, and Wolfe is nowhere near as good as those guys.
Wolfe is
a 4.3 runner, it doesnt help when your line gets pushed back into you, before the handoff,
however… it was stated before, and quite a good observation, that it’s less Wolfe, and more of how he’s being used, Turner was trying to outthink the DC on that play, and outthunk himself
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No way.
It’s kind of like with Greg Olsen. There’s combine speed, and then there’s game speed. Neither player has looked nearly as fast as advertised come on game days.
KFFL had him running a 4.43 40 at the combine, not 4.3. For comparison, Chris Johnson ran 4.24 at the combine, and he’s much faster than Wolfe. At this point, he’s a novelty act on offense, not a RB.
agreed
GW is a waste of a roster space. I can’t believe there isn’t a better rb out there somewhere that can tackle on special teams.
I agree, and does anyone else find it odd that he's the protector on punts?
It seems like the opposing Special Teams coaches would see that and send some monsters in to try and block the kick who could run right over the little guy.
Ever since AP, Angelo hasn’t drafted an RB that might have NFL measurables (size, speed, etc.) in the late rounds or as an undrafted FA. The kid, Choice, on Dallas last night was the perfect example. Usually they are guys who are a step slower or from a small school where competition is questionable, but given the chance can contribute on ST’s and in emergencies. The NFL, being a “Copy Cat League”, got enamored with Sproles a few years ago and I’m convinced that’s what brought Wolfe here.
How do you want Turner to use Wolfe?
Defenses are not worried about regular old run plays. The problem with Wolfe is that he isn’t versatile. All he’s good for are screen plays, and when a player can’t make plays out of multiple situations it makes it easy for a defense to stop him. There’s a reason this kid hasn’t had many big plays since he’s been here.
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