Blow up the Defense
I'm gonna start with two premises. The first is that football affords quick turn-arounds, especially if you're only turning around one side of the ball. We've seen numerous examples - the Dolphins' being the most recent - in which bottom-dwellers go to playoff teams in the blink of an offseason. The second premise is that no team with a pro-bowl quarterback can be half-bad. Unfortunately, the Bears currently are half-bad - with the other half being Jay Cutler.
This is my argument for why it's time to blow up the defense.
I'm typical - I like defense. Hitting, specifically, and preferably when it's done by Lance Briggs. Unfortunately, our generally thrifty Bears have invested major cash in oft-injured and largely unproductive players, the main culprits being Tommie Harris, Nathan Vasher, and even - though it pains me to say it - the Uberlacker himself. He's coming off a non-probowl year after a few in which he was a probowler in name only. Prior to the injury, the only times he was mentioned during games was to note a fullback's spectacular block. And as far as his injury, though I like Hunter Hillenmeyer, I don't see how well he's "filled in" as a testament to his ability. I see it as a sign that Urlacher, the former face of the franchise, has become another exceptionally expensive and totally average player.
Note the word former. Because this is Jay's team now; I just hope Jerry Angelo realizes it.
Let's go to the numbers. The Bears defensive rank in terms of ppg declined from 2005-2008: from 1st to 3rd to 16th to 16th again. In terms of ypg, they declined from #2 to #5 to #28 to #21. Now let's look at where the money on our team is allocated. Tommie Harris, Brian Urlacher, and Nathan Vasher account for roughly 23.2 million this year. To give you a sense of perspective, our entire starting offense makes 23.9 million.
Dumb? Probably. But when you factor in that the defense is not only expensive and average, but aging, it makes the distribution downright nuts.
I'm going to go out on a limb: a team that overpays for an average (or less) unit isn't going to the superbowl. And yet, this team has that kind of promise. The trouble is, at present, it's all on offense.
Jay Cutler, Greg Olsen, Matt Forte, and even Chris Williams all have star potential at critical positions. Once the o-line gells, the Bears have the ability to field the most explosive offense in civic memory. Even more importantly, those key players are all young, and relatively free from the kind of toxic behavior that's derailed so many players (Vick, Owens, etc) in the past.
Blow the defense up, I say. Offer to "rework" the contracts of the big three I've mentioned, and if they won't be reworked, cut them. Our new nucleus can have us competitive for the next decade. To be great, though - I'm not all that crazy about eeking out wins against the Seahawks' second-stringers! - they need to be paired with a dominant defense. Not one that was dominant in 2005.
The combination of a stable (and talented) coaching staff, and our new nucleus, ensures that we won't have to suffer through the perpetual rebuilding of, say, the Lions. Granted: it's going to be painful watching a weak-ass defense in that transition year. It's painful even writing "weak-ass defense." It means not resigning productive but aging veterans like Adewale Ogunleye. It means taking those funds and signing our offensive ballers to long term deals. It also means giving our next few drafts entirely over to defense - any and all positions.
It's worth it. We'll get to the superbowl eventually with Jay; not that it won't be different when we do. We'll be a pass-first, offensive juggernaut with a young but rising defense. Kind of like the Colts in 2005.
The guys who won.
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a bit early
It’s too early in the season to speculate on blowing up the defense. The only way this becomes an issue is if the Bears make the playoffs with Urlacher on IR, Harris playing sub-par, and Vasher riding the pine. Time will tell.
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by Maelvampyre on Sep 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it may be too early to panic
however, many of your points are pretty good, other than afalava there arent any young players on the team that I can imagine being future probowlers let alone starters.
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by leopoldjones on Sep 28, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Payne is a solid player as well, Bowman is promising, Manning
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by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about Payne.
He constantly over pursues and just lost his starting job.
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by SoulEater7 on Sep 28, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put a few others on the list of defensive keepers:
Marcus Harrison, Peanut, and of course Lance Briggs. He may be getting older, but he’s not slipping – nasty hitter types (Ray Lewis etc) can play a long time at a high level.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Sep 29, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they just need to get younger on defense.
For now though I think they’ll be ok. I think they need to rebuild the offensive line and then rebuild the defense.
Derreck Rose, you’ve gotta be flat-out kidding me. Double overtime! Triple overtime!- Chuck wack on crack
by SoulEater7 on Sep 28, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know whats funny about this website...........
After the loss to the Packers, everyones all positive and like, were ok were ok, well be fine. And then when they win everyone nitpicks and is all like, our D sucks and we cant run the ball and the o line sucks. It really confuses me, while I dont like to be all mister positive after tough losses, I certainly hate when I gotta hear negativity after a couple of hard fought resilient wins.
And to your post, while I dont appreciate the play calling on 3rd down when we are on D (never jamming at the line and giving the WRs 10 yards), I dont really know who all you want to “blow” up. You really only mentioned Wale, Harris, and Urlacher (thats not really overhauling the whole D thats only 3 of 11 starters) and Wale will probably be gone because Anderson is also in a contract year along with Idonije so they probably wont give all three new contracts, and to your point Anderson is younger than Wale, so there you go. Urlachers days are numbered but the guys behind him still have work to do so you give them more time and MAYBE move Urlacher to the outside when Roach is ready (Hillenmeyer is a backup whos only playing ahead of Roach because of his 57 starts of experience).
As far as DTs, I dont know if you noticed but our first pick in the draft wasnt a WR like everyone thought it would be, it was a DT, Jarron Gillbert, so theres some more youth and an incumbent to Harris eventually. I happen to like some of the young bloods on our linebacking core as well with Jamar and Roach, theyve shown some things.
Now the secondary, Tillman just got a contract last year so forget it, hes not going anywhere and I dont mind that, hes the leader of that secondary and I know youll say he has health issues but the guy is pretty tough when it comes to that, he seems to battle through them more times than not. And Bowman and Afalava are making strides so theres some more youth for ya there too.
So what, that leaves about one position we havent covered here and that is Free Safety. So yea if Manning makes some of the same bone headed mistakes hes made in the past this year, then yes, we can blow up that position and maybe go after someone in free agency next year and move him back to nickel where Manning seems to excel (he forced the safety against GB this year in the nickel already). And then that pushes Graham back to being a backup corner along with DJ Moore (who are both young too by the way) and Vasher, who probably wont be here next year.
They have the talent, they have the depth, theyve got young incumbents waiting for their chance and for the most part a lot of them are stepping up when their name is called i.e. Roach, Williams, Bowman, Afalava, even Adams and Anderson are doing some good things under the tutelage of Marinelli.
No its not the guys, its the freaking play calling that is making you upset about our D. Just check out the film, look how many yards theyre giving recievers, especially on 3rd down. Alot of it makes absolutely no sense, sometimes they will blitz the house and the corners are still playing back. Yea real smart blitz and then when the quarterback goes to make a throw to the quick out our a slant, are freakin guys are playing 10 yards off and unable to jump those routes, the play calling or the coaching is what needs to change not the players.
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by ANYTIME09 on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'm as positive as the next guy-
I’ve managed to call Jay Cutler a superbowl qb. I’m saying we can rebuild our defense quickly and with minimal suckage. I just don’t like the direction our defense has gone from the best to average in four short years. Do you?
I wish it were just play calling. I wish we didn’t need to blitz because Tommie Harris was beating double teams instead of being beat down by a single guard, and that he was paired with an up-and-coming Tank Williams. You’re saying our play calling is sucks, and I’m agreeing with you – but also saying we don’t have the players to mount a rush like we did in 2005 without blitzing our ass off. I’m offering 2005 as evidence that, with more talented lineman, we’d play smarter.
Also note that when I say “blow up” I’m talking about restructuring the contracts of three players who, frankly, aren’t really impacting games. Keep the keepers, what few there are. Resign the studs on offense.
I disagreed with one paragraph in particular:
As far as DTs, I dont know if you noticed but our first pick in the draft wasnt a WR like everyone thought it would be, it was a DT, Jarron Gillbert, so theres some more youth and an incumbent to Harris eventually. I happen to like some of the young bloods on our linebacking core as well with Jamar and Roach, theyve shown some things
You mean the pool-jumper who’s yet to play a down? Hey, I still love the Gilbert pick, but that’s one third rounder, and JA admitted he was just taking the best available. Likewise, I’m not exactly certain what Jamar and Nick have shown, but it’s nothing like what Urlacher, Briggs and Pisa have shown – or continue to show.
What it amounts to is, I don’t want them to sit their hands while the defense ages, slipping from average to bad. They have to realize which way the needle has been pointing. Is it too late to get anything for Tommie Harris or Brian Urlacher? Probably so, but that’s significant.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Sep 29, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok 3 games is not enough of a litmus test for Gilbert
And Roach and Williams have played solid in certain roles and dont forget Roach took Hillenmeyers job last year and started 9 games. So hes up to 11 starts now, hes shown some big improvements the last couple of yea
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by ANYTIME09 on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on a moment
Alot of it makes absolutely no sense, sometimes they will blitz the house and the corners are still playing back. Yea real smart blitz and then when the quarterback goes to make a throw to the quick out our a slant
There are some occasions where they jam at the line, but it’s not something to consistently do. There’s an inheritent risk blitzing, and having your corners jam at the LOS. How do you feel about leaving Payne as the only guy back there in case our D-line doesn’t get pressure, and our CBs get beat off the line? Let’s just say it wouldn’t be a positive play. Lovie is banking on one of the defensive linemen rushing the QB’s throw or decision.
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by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly there
is a risk of jamming at the line of scrimmage. I don’t think it should be done every play, but there is a time and place for it too. I believe in the bend but don’t break theory. Give up the middle of the field on occasion but never the end-zone. We did a pretty good job of just flat-out dominating in 06 with Rivera and he did have our CB’s jamming more.
I’m curious, you say that we have done it on occasion. I think I might have seen it once by Bowman during the Steelers game. Can’t think of any other time that I have noticed it though? I thought it was curious though that just Bowman was doing it I believe on Holmes, and Tillman didn’t jam Ward.
I would always jam Ward. I absolutely love the guy as a WR, but he isn’t a burner. If you jam him and he catches it, our safety should be more than fast enough to get in front of him to make a play. Holmes on the other hand is faster, possibly leading to your, “Let’s just say it wouldn’t be a positive play”, scenario.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be interested
in seeing the stats on the Bears playing bump and run coverage.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too,
not sure where to find something like that though.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obscure stats
I can’t seem to find a reliable website to get these types of numbers.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well when you blitz, its not just the D line trying to get pressure.
And Im saying when they do blitz, dont you think it would make more sense for our corners to play up? And I dont know if you noticed but we have been getting pressure this year.
Its really on 3rd down when I get irritated how far the corners play back. If you cant agree there I dont know what to say cause weve givin up like 20 3rd down conversions already.
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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Sep 29, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The yards
that we give receiver at the line of scrimmage drives me nuts. I know the design of the defensive scheme is to try to force the Wr’s to the middle of the field. But CB’s standing 8-10 yards off of a WR on 3rd and 4 frickin kills me. I haven’t seen a Bears receiver jam at the line of scrimmage since Ron Rivera left.
Other than that, I haven’t been unhappy with most of the play calling by Lovie. Quite the contrary, I think that he has been doing fairly well considering all the injuries. Great improvement over Babich. He even won some challenges last week.
I completely agree with you about the negativity too. With all the positivity that was around here after the Cutler trade throughout the rest of the off-season, it is remarkable how some people have gone so negative so quickly. Especially considering we have started out pretty good. We beat the World Champs, split the first two games, went into Seattle and took one, and now go home to face the Lions. Better than most rational peoples expectations.
Go Bears!
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manning may not know what he's doing.
But he is on pace for over 100 tackles. He’s doing something right. I don’t know what it is, but he’s doing it.
by Cosmis on Sep 29, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
paychecks
Ask Greg Olsen and Tommie Harris to give their paychecks back. Everybody on the OL too, bar Garza. Yeah our DL have shown promise, every one else – including Briggs – showed a distinct inability to wrap up the tackle. Only Afalava seemed to know how to tackle. Thank god Payne and Vasher have been demoted.
by Irish Bears Fan on Sep 29, 2009 3:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dude..Briggs?
The guy has looked like nothing less than a pro bowler all season. What more do you want from him?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Sep 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sub sandwich
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by ANYTIME09 on Sep 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
CrabTree has subway all wrapped up
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't
sign this season before the deadline, I hope they drop his whiny ass.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then no one ever signs him
and then VH1 will do a “where are they now” on him
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice :)
hoping that he re-enters the draft and falls into the lower rounds. I just do see why any team would draft him higher next year than he went this year. Guys already proven himself to be a head-case diva with a bad entourage. I want to see the look on his face when he starts falling in the draft next year.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be
I just don’t see why any team would draft him higher next year than he went this year.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEYONCE HAS THE GREATEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME!!
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Alan: "Check his collar or something." - The Hangover
by ANYTIME09 on Sep 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious!
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by smudgers on Sep 29, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be nice if they
invited him to the draft, and had like a "crab watch’’ or “crab cam” the whole time too… to see the reaction of passing on 16 mil guaranteed, vs 3rd round money
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 29, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely,
It would be like Brady Quinn from a couple years ago. Only so much funnier.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree with you on most counts except that the real problem with the d is the scheme. The Tampa Tooo Easy or the Lovie D is the problem look at the Bucks where are they this year? The scheme is do easy to take advantage of, that quarterbacks are coming out of high schools and tearing it up. What this team needs is a real coach who will allow a great defensive cordinator to handle this D and not put a stop to a real aggressive D which how the really good teams play.
by thecozz on Sep 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Defensive is doing the job
You do realize the Bears defensive unit is in the top-15 in every major statistical catergory, right? 9 sacks in 3 games (on pace for 48) is pretty darn good compared to last season.
D. Manning- has played very well and according to nfl.com he leads the Bears in tackles.
Briggs- no need to say anything.
Afalava- the Bears 2nd most reliable tackler.
Roach- he’s also young, and has been flying around like an uncaged animal.
Bowman- he’s been a solid tackler; hasn’t been beaten for a big play.
Harrison- looks to be a starter in the near future with his size and quickness.
That’s a lot of young talent contributing on their defense right now. Gilbert, Melton, and DJ Moore gives them something to look forward to in the future.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just listed the players I'd like to build the new defense around.
They’re the reason we’ve been decent on defense this year. Thing is, the “major” players have been MIA. So why not work in DJ and Gilbert a little? It’s not like we’re getting much out of the folks in front of them. Ditto Corey Graham, who I think is pretty good.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With some coaching
from Marinelli, hopefully Gilbert will be Tommie’s replacement. Did something happen with Corey Graham, after all the playing time that he got last year, I was really surprised when Vasher got the start over him. Graham looked to be a pretty good corner, he’s young, big, fast, and doesn’t have much if any injury history that I am aware of.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Graham
His doghouse must be so big, it has room for two players.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it
because he resisted the move to FS?
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been wanting an answer to that one, for a while…
I’ve seen nothing that shows me Vasher is better than Graham.
by rdent4hof on Sep 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either,
I would like to see Graham get time with the D-fense before Moore too. I like having the bigger physical CBs out there.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does Lovie.
That’s why I’m so dumbfounded.
by rdent4hof on Sep 29, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if I will
be able to find it, I’ll check, but I think that I remember reading during the off-season. That Graham didn’t really want to move to the FS position. Possibly something about corners making more money in the NFL than safeties traditionally do.
Maybe there is some sort of back-lash from that?
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly possible...
but to carry something like that into the season is moronic, whomever is at fault (Lovie or Graham).
by rdent4hof on Sep 29, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm definitely just speculating,
I just can’t think of any reason why Graham couldn’t easily beat out Vasher and Moore at the CB spot or Steltz in the FS spot.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably going to be a FA
and they want to get him on the cheap for a new deal…
by tfrabotta on Sep 29, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely
know Peanut had said not moving to Safety because of the money, i dont know about Graham though… but it would make sense
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by BearNecessities on Sep 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still think
Peanut would be great back there and one day does make the change if for no other reason than to extend his career. Maybe after he gets a little older and loses a little speed.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little far-fetched
because Lovie would be hurting the defense in the process. Please see the GB game- not to say Graham wouldn’t have been burned deep too, but it’s worth noting.
"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet
by propheteer on Sep 29, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it was pure speculation. Might of let a little conspiracy theory get in there. Sure Vasher got the start because he used to be the interceptor and everyone, myself included, wanted to see him get back to that level.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation
is literally, all we have, on this situation.
by rdent4hof on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scheme?
You mean the one we run on about 1/3 of plays (30% of plays last season)?
You mean the one that is the base defense for the Minnesota Vikings defense that does so well? Or the Colts decent defense? or ours in 2005 and 2006? our players declined, not our system. Everyone who holds up the 3-4 based on its success in Baltimore and Pittsburgh conveniently fails to mention teams like Cleveland. All systems are personnel based, have natural holes, and need outstanding talent to compensate. If there was a “right answer” to Scheme, every team would run it.
I promise you, there is no bad scheme in the NFL, only schemes that don’t have the right players, or players not in the right schemes.
As to the main point of the article – I definitely don’t think we should “blow up” the defense, but we should cut dead veteran weight after 2009. Vasher is on his way out. Harris should be replaced. If Roach/Williams play out the year very well, we should let Urlacher go too. No offense, but if someone else can do his job (and Hunter CAN’T), then keep the cheaper option. Ogunleye we just let walk in Free Agency.
by eldilar on Oct 2, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
on everything but Urlahcer, he’s still one of the best sideline to sideline atheletes in this league, IMO
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Oct 2, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
There is no right defensive scheme. 4-3, 3-4, high blitzing, low blitzing, soft coverage, press coverage, etc … all of them can work if you have the right personnel.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 2, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
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by smudgers on Oct 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post,
Definitely agree with some of your statements, about Tommie and Nate. They are paid way to much for far too little production. I think that both will be cap casualties next year and the extra money will go to helping us shore up our offense and defensive lines as well as signing Cutler to a long term deal. Cutting those two players will hit our salary cap I believe.
I think Urlacher will be fine. I know he was hurt over the past two years and his stats went down, but I don’t really think that he will be too old for this game for a few years yet. By all accounts, and it’s a moot point now, his neck and back were completely healed for this year. So I assume they will be for next year too.
The defense undeniably dropped off after the 06 season. In 07, I’m completely willing to chalk it up to post super-bowl slump. For some reason it happens to a lot of teams. Look what is going to happen to the Cardinals this year, I don’t think they will make the play-offs. Also Urlacher and Tommie playing injured this year.
In 08, Urlacher and Tommie still playing dinged up, enter Bob Babich as a horrible play caller, terrible motivator, and great excuse for a terrible defense that looked like it was in decline.
09, I really do believe that Urlacher was better than he had been since the 06 season. Bob Babich is gone and Lovie has put the defense squarely on his shoulders. Though seemingly decimated with injuries early on. I’ve been pretty happy with the defensive play calling. Only real complaint that our CB’s need to play more physical sometimes.
Our defense really isn’t that old. I hear it all the time, “The Bears aging D-fense”, it just isn’t true. Adewale Ogunleye is 32, Alex Brown is 30 they are the only two defenders that we have over the age of 30. If Urlacher was listed on the 53 man he would be 31. Not that old. The average age is like 25-26 years old.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
position
if theres any position we need to address, its gonna be DE. with Ogunleye and Brown getting up there in age, we need to start grooming new ones now. Melton is a project, but he has as much potential to be a great player as a bust. Anderson will probably be gone after the season and i wouldn’t be surprised if Ogunleye was was too.
Anyone know of any DE’s we could target w/ our second round pick next year? Or does anyone know of any DE’s that are hitting free agency this offseason?
Vasher’s gonna either get his contract redone or he’ll be traded/released. Wouldn’t be surprised if tommie did too.
I think most of our other positions are fine. We have a lot of young, up and coming players with a lot of potential in almost every position. I could see Roach eventually taking over for Urlacher, he played lights out at Seattle.
As far as safety goes, I can see us trading Payne in the offseason for a mid to late round pick and getting a project FS. Not exactly sure why Steltz is still around (or Bullocks, i don’t know how he didn’t get cut in training camp), but he provides solid depth.
by Nih1lus on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
not saying it I’m for or against it, that next year at end we have Brown, Anderson, Melton, or Gilbert if they don’t make him an Under-Tackle.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be,
not saying if I’m for or against it.
by Fridge72 on Sep 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make some points
I would agree about Vasher who I also did not understand being a starter. If Bowman was hurt I’d prefer Graham. The Bears need to drop him and his big contract. Unfortunately I think we’d all agree Urlacher’s best days are behind him, he’s still fast though and if he heals up we can probably get another year or two out of him. DE is a bit of a question but Anderson’s young and so far playing well this year. We need to keep drafting young play makers but I wouldn’t say the D needs to be blown up.
by D_is_Champ on Sep 29, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah
I also see a future for Nick Roach, he’s fast, gets free from blockers and and looked good last game. I’m thinkin playoffs, this year.
by D_is_Champ on Sep 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson will not be gone— esp if he continues to play as he did against Seattle.
Ogun will be gone unless he agrees to become the swing DE (Anderson’s current role) and take a modest deal.
Vasher will be gone.
Tommie will likely be gone.
Urlacher will not be gone but his days are numbered.
Roach will emerge as our starting MLB of the future.
PNut and Bowman are solid CBs
Afalava is a solid S
Manning is still young and will get extended if continues to play at the current level
Graham is a young, solid NB
Gilbert will get his first snaps vs Detroit— let’s see how it goes for him
Harrisson will continue to get opps to compete for Adams role. Either way, they’re both young enough to stick for a couple years.
Briggs isn’t going anywhere.
Pisa may get extended, he may not. Depends on how he rebounds from this injury. He is not old.
J. Williams is going into FA this year. If he thinks he can get a starting role someplace else, he gone.
Briggs— no need to discuss. He’s staying.
What exactly does “blowing” up the defense mean to you? To me it means firing Lovie, Babich, Marinelli, Hoke and getting rid of the Tampa 2.
If you just want to cut Harris and Vasher and Urlacher— fine. But that is NOT blowing up the defense.
by The Kaiser on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then we're arguing semantics.
We’re talking about the highest paid players, the ostensible “stars”. To me, when you get rid of the main guys, you’re blowing it up. To you, not so much.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Sep 30, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payneful
Payne is one of the worst tacklers in the league. I don’t understand how our defense does not know how to tackle LOW. All of our missed tackles (including Julius Jones’ TD) are because we are tackling high. Sometimes our DEF looks like they never practiced before.
by brands735 on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If only we had Lawrence Taylor...
Taylor truly took tackling high to the next level ;-)
by rdent4hof on Sep 30, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post, agree with most of it
First, I would like the Bears to change scheme, but not because it can’t work very well (see our previous success as an example). Its no fun to watch and seems to offer less flexibility than other schemes. Plus it puts a crazy amount of responsibility on a couple of players: the under tackle, free safety, and ends. I’ve never thought that this scheme was really that dependent on a great middle linebacker, and I think our post-Urlacher D shows this. The real problem is parking too much money in players that are broken (Tommie), suck (Nate), or are declining/non-critical to the scheme (Urlacher). With that amount of money we could get younger players who are at a pro-bowl level right now at the key positions and then watch as the city has a new love affair with Tampa-2.
by Sound_Automatic on Sep 30, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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