Perry Fewell to the Giants a done deal
by Dane Noble on Jan 14, 2010 5:51 PM CST
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Adam Schefter, Jason LaCanfora, and Ralph Vacchiano are all reporting that Perry Fewell has informed the Giants that he will become their next Defensive Coordinator.
And a link from the Seattle Times.
And another link, from Mike Garafolo, a beat writer.
With this finally over, what comes next for the Bears?
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Is a bye year a possibility?
We surrender, just kidding. We keep interviewing and as more teams start getting eliminated from the play-offs hopefully more options will become available.
How about Ray Rhodes
He had some health problems but he was a good defensive coach
What comes next?
Wait to see what interesting candidates pop up after playoff eliminations is my vote.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 5:55 PM CST reply actions
The arrogance
of this organization is downright sickening. They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it. How about the secondary coach from the Jets? Oh how stupid of me, they run a 3-4 defense. In fact, there isn’t a team left in the playoffs who run a one-gap cover-2 scheme. Minny runs the cover-2 a little though. I think some guy name Leslie works up north, maybe he’d be interested in coming to coach our pathetic defense. Ooops, nevermind he’s looking to be a HC and the McCaskey’s hate the 85 Bears. Ok, I’m done with my negative rant…..peace!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
It is very frustrating
how our upper management does not recruit from the coaching class made up of ex-Bears players. So many of them are becoming good coaching prospects.
right on Fridge
A lot of coaches are coming out of dem Bears, that’s a fact. We need to be more aware of what we are doing with our prospects young and old and quit giving the league players with great potential; eg. A-Train, Tank Johnson. But who knew about Benson? I’da traded the bum, too. Now look at him…
by packerkiller87 on Jan 15, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Frazier should be targeted
as a HC next year if he isn’t hired this season by the Bills.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
lol..he has many great points.
Some good news would help the migraine caused by our organization. Maybe I could sue the McCaskey’s because of it. Wouldn’t that be great, the judge is a Bears fan and has no problem rewarding me for sticken in there with them. Trying to stay positive with one bad thing after another is a stretch. I think I need to listen to a motivational speaker of some sort. What’s his name Tony Robbins? He couldn’t even talk me off the ledge right now. They have to be going after assistants still in the playoffs right? Sure f’n hope so.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
+1
At this point, Lovie will have to change defensive scheme to widen the field of coaching candidates. OOPs but since Angelo, Phillips, and Lovie fail at trying to hide the fact that next year is a do or die season, no respectable coach will want to put his name on this offense or defense.
The Bears defense gave up over 30 point in the first half of a few games this season and with the CBA, no 1st day draft picks, and limited pool of free agents that odds are against Lovie staff to improve going into next season. Bottom-line, Bears owners had to fire this staff.
Yeah
Didn’t Ted Phillips say that Lovie was willing to make the necesarry changes to get the Bears back on track? Redoing this defense has got to be one of them!
by GriggsBriggs on Jan 15, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Dickerson said if Fewell did not take the job they had no idea who would be the DC….kinda of like the idea of chaos surrounding this team…..
Who knows maybe someone says “STOP” and cleans house just to do it now…..cause if you can not get your first or second choices on these jobs whats the plan eh ?….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I'm hoping
I’ve been holding on to the possibility that they lose out on plan A,B, and C. And that plan D is to just clean house.
Did Dickerson say
they as in the Bears, or they as in the writers?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 14, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
They as in writers I guess
not totally sure on that though….I would hope they had a list handy if things went bad on fewell but I would not be surprised if they did not to be honest…….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Though it might explain
why no other name for DC was ever mentioned as well….So who knows maybe “they” (ie the Bears) dont know what to do at DC now…..
even when bates was the leader for the OC job there were other names thrown about (tom clements, al saunders, hackett, etc.)
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Again, other names
that were thrown out by who? The media.
Just because we don’t hear about other candidates, doesn’t mean that they’re standing around, clueless, just staring at each other.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
SackMan
might disagree with you on that….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 15, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
There's no way in hell Frazier
would leave a great defense behind in Minnesota just to come to the Bears and retain the same position with a meaningless assistant HC tag on it. The guy has HC potential and he’s not going to leave Minnesota without becoming one.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
There is no way
the Viking would even give us a chance to interview him.
Can do it on madden 10
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
PS3 rulz!!!
er oh wait Wii is the in thing now…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Eh the Wii is a little too kid oriented for my taste
I’ve thought about getting a PS3 just for BR capabilities but haven’t yet. XB Live is too sweet to turn down though.
Roll Tide... National Champs!!!
Thats why I got a PS 3
blu ray ….and well I am a sony fanboi but not a blind one (I know its getting its butt kicked by 360)….and hadnt really used my PS 3 to play games until recently as well…..about damn time it made some decent games….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
RROD sucks.
Typical Microsoft products. I got it once and it took a month and a half for them to get it back. And the new “refurbed” one freezes on me now and again. Ugh!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
one of my personal favorites is Uncharted 2
If you haven’t played that yet for PS3..you really should.
by Chitownproduct on Jan 16, 2010 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
Rod Marinelli will be the "DC"
You heard it from my mouth first…
The whole thing is a crock o sh1t.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Not saying it won't go that way,
but I don’t think, at least that I’m aware of, that Marinelli has ever been a play caller before? Great position coach, so the pundits say, not much of a play-caller.
And do you really think he's gonna be calling the plays anyway?
Do you think Perry Fewell would’ve been “calling” the plays?
No. It’s all Lovie. Babich had never been a play caller before either… and he was given the job.
We’ve got a lame duck, and the situation is worthless. It’s all a sham, and they’re screwing themselves, and the only talented QB we’ve gotten in decades.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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the sky is falling
the sky is falling
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 15, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One of the Bears isiders
(cant remember which) said marinelli did not want the job for what ever reason….maybe he knows it cant be fixed….
Welp I can fix this mess….Everyone “donate” like 500 bucks to me so I can buy the Bears and I will make all the necessary changes needed….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
i would have thought
that if Rod wanted to be a DC he would have last season when Lovie brought him in as dline coach.
i agree
id be suprised if it were anyone else.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jan 14, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's really just this simple.
The teams left in the playoffs have defenses that are ranked (1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 15).
75% are in the Top Ten.
The Bears have a HC (who should’ve been fired) that runs the defense (no matter who is working under him).
HIS (Lovie’s) defense has been ranked 16, 16 and 22 in the past three seasons.
Wonder why the Bears missed the playoffs the last three seasons?
Re-Read the above five sentences until it settles in.
Our defense (and our defensive HC) kinda sucks.
Teams with defenses that kinda suck usually watch the playoffs at home.
There are exceptions, of course. There are always exceptions to the rule. Last years Cardinals almost won it all with the 28th ranked defense.
Of course they had one of the most potent offenses in the NFL.
We have a defense that would be graded from a ‘C’ to a ‘D.’
That doesn’t cut it in the NFL.
Do you have the offensive rankings?
by Ryan21 on Jan 15, 2010 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Alot of teams
Have made it from mediocrity around .500 to playoff contenders, by greatly improving their defense. Take New Orleans this season for example. It doesn’t take much. I think a few draft picks and some solid FA additions and we would be headed in the right way. These past 2 years New England has lost Samuel, Bruschi, Sanders, and Seymore. This, and their ddeclined succes= coincidence? Sure Tom Brady was injured, but I for the most part, I think losing all those defensive leaders has really hurt them.
by GriggsBriggs on Jan 15, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
So aside from Rod
has anyone else heard of any potential DC’s
Pompei on CTL
Kaplan starts off by saying that he was down south and ran into a NFL HC and former DC and asked him about the Bears job and if he was a coach and wanted to be a DC would he take the DC job with the Bears….They stated no because they believed the cover 2 scheme to be obsolete in the NFL….
Pompei said any scheme can win in the NFL if the right players are in place then pointed to vikings and colts who run the cover 2 and they are deep in the playoffs….
Pompei says this is a black eye for the Bears as this was their one and only real choice….
But fewell goes back further with coughlin than Lovie and the fact that coughlin has better job security and the job status the nyg has played into the decision since he wants to be a HC badly….
Has no idea who the Bears have as a “back up” plan and that this search might follow that of the OC now and take weeks to figure out…..
They would have to have knowledge of Lovies defense and someone that Lovie is “comfortable” with…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Ops one thing I missed on my notes
fewell agent was in Chicago all day trying to work a deal with the Bears….but somewhere around 430 talks broke off and fewell made his choice….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
So the Giants offered more money?
Did it really come down to the Bears not matching the Gmen? Unbelievable!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
The '86 Bears actually gave up less points than the '85 Bears
This, despite the fact that the ‘86 team under Vince Tobin ran a ’read and react’defense as opposed to Buddy’s all out assault.
Of course Vince Tobin inherited a great collection of players, courtesy of Buddy Ryan.
So yes, any scheme can work if you have great players. Buddy Ryan left Vince Tobin a Pro-Bowl assortment of players.
The current Bears have a CRAPPY scheme and average players.
Do the math (16th, 16th and 22nd) the past three seasons.
Quick somebody throw
the 3 blind mice some towels so they can wipe the egg off their faces. I know they don’t but they ought to feel seriously embarassed. You reap what you sew boys,enjoy your really goin’ to be ugly last year, didnt have to be this way if ya’ll had even a little clue.
"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank
Seriously would prefer an Offensive minded coach
next time around….sort of tired of all the D head coaches that come through here….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
At very least a guy with defensive background
who understands offense.
Winning with defense and STs is in the past… you win with offense and by getting stops when you need them and anything from STs is a bonus.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Ask the 2007 Patriots
They were #1 in offense.
The Giants were #17 in defense.
The Giant defense kicked New England’s ass in the Super Bowl.
Defensive football NEVER goes out of style. If you can throttle the other team’s offense, you always have a chance to win.
Conspiracy theorists
would say that when ‘Spy Gate’ broke this meant that the pats couldn’t win the SB and get the perfect record with such a blemish on their record.
Exactly
they were able to get off the field (and put pressure on the QB).
But they still had to score to win. And you do that with offense.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I'd rather
have an offensive guru who understands defense. I’m sick and tired of these clueless defensive-minded coaches. Just look at the collection of OCs Lovie has had in his tenure.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
It does seem to be that time
for the Bears. For the first time in a long time we have a lot of exciting young potential on the offensive side of the ball. An offensive guru who could put it together coupled with a great DC is what we need. A new and exciting age in Bears football. Can’t wait to see it, though I fear we will have to wait a little bit.
I'd rather...
Have an offensive guru with enough self-awareness to hire someone who is a D expert to run the D. Coaches who meddle too much on both sides of the ball end up handicapping the side that isn’t their expertise. If Shanahan had woke up in Denver and said “damn, I don’t know anything about defensive football” and hired a top D mind like Capers, he never would have lost his job to begin with.
If Lovie had ditched his friends and just hired a smart O guy to begin with, 2005 and 2006 wouldn’t have been such a waste.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 15, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Agree
an offensive mind coach, not saying he would do better than defensive coaches, should be the next coach of the Bears. Nevertheless, he knows how to manage a team and allow his coordinate to do their jobs. Today’s NFL is offensive oriented, so a brilliant offensive minded coach should be on the payroll in some capacity. Especially when your QB will eventually be the top paid player and as long as he’s health say like Peyton, that team will be in contention every year.
Unlike defensive teams, according to history are like RBs, they’ll give you 1-3 years, then massive breakdowns and deterioration to vital parts of the defensive core occurs. Bears: Urlacher, Brown, Harris, etc…. all are not the same player after that 1 magical Superbowl run. The Ravens? Offense is the key to longevity. This year the Packers had line problems, like the Bears, but their offensive staff was better equip to evaluate and bring in the right guys to at least make the season competitive, after getting stomped by the Viking, and making the playoffs.
Our next coach should be a manager of men, like Cowher who was a special teams coach before becoming HC. Shannahan just hired Hassett to coach his defense, which shows he has learned from his experience in Denver. Hopefully he will allow his DC to pick defensive players.
Honestly I think Lovie was that HC during his SB run when Rivera had power to run his scheme intertwine with Lovie’s sets.
What I think the Staff should be
Head Coach Motivator (preferably more offensively minded), and coordinators who are the genius type
BEARS SHOULD HIRE STEVENWILS AS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!
he was with bears when they got to the super bowl in 2006, and now chargers defense is doing good as him being their secondary coach.
Mike Brown
How about we get him to retire and quit acting like he can come back and be healthy and make him into a D coordinator. I mean who cares if he dont work out we have a new staff the next year most likely anyways. I mean lets grab a guy who knows the system, is a motivator and born leader and see what happens. I know its a kinda out there idea but to be completely honest, what could it hurt?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 PM CST reply actions
i dunno how..
.. that would ever work, but it would be awesome to have Mike Brown on this team again
Assistant Defensive Coach
not assistant head coach mind you.
Put him there, let him learn how to coach, then promote him to D Backs coach in 1-2 years if he catches on. Let him teach his position while studying other positions.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 15, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yes but would you give the DC
to someone so green in “coaching” and never called plays….not only that does he want to run a cover 2 scheme…the scheme thing is the biggest thing I would imagine….besides I think he is going to play another year….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
He will "try" to play another year
but maybe with a shot at getting off the field and no longer risking injury, having a chance to come back to a team he didnt want to leave in the first place and begin a new phase of his football life might entice him, and like everyone else is saying, Lovie will be the one calling the plays most likely anyways. It will give brown a chance to get his feet wet and see what he thinks. Personally I always have thought hes the kind of guy who would end up as a D coordinator anyways. As much as we forget, Lovie was a pretty good D coordinator in his day, so Brown working under him could be a good learning experience. I know its kinda far fetched and all, just a thought though, what do we got to lose at this point.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Brown
I would rather see a green coach that could be good, rather than seeing Rod or some other crap retread that would take the job. At least we know that Brown wouldn’t let stuff go and would get on people. And like you said he was coached by Blache and Rivera, both of whom are good DC’s. He was the field general while he was healthy enough to be on the field, so he ‘got’ the defenses he learned. Might as well use him. Not that this situation would actually emerge though.
yeah id much rather see him then another familiar face lookin for his 10th
job in the league. Yeah its far fetched and not at all likely, just something id like to see some day.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
From player to instant D-coordinator?
That would be a disaster. Not to mention extremely stupid.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
like the rest of the moves so far this offseason
havent been stupid. Just thinking outside of the box a bit. And if anyone can do it ive always felt mike brown could. His footbal IQ has always been high, he knows defense, hes a leader. I know its a big jump but so what. I tell u this much, i doubt there would be anyone else out there as excited to get the job and do well at it as he would be. I mean u know there are people just lined up for the job right now, so whats ur idea?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I love the internet...
“I threw out the most ridiculous idea ever, you called me on it so I’m going to call you a ninny because you don’t have an idea at all”…
Isn’t there some rule that says your ideas go down in quality by the number of exclamation points in your screen name?
Heh.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
which idea are u refering to?
i usually if ever get on here and bash peoples ideas, so if i did, it must have been the worst idea ever. Please refresh my mind, what was this ridiculous idea of urs?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh
not trying to cause much trouble or anything, but with the quotes, she was referring to your idea.
I couldnt tell what she was talkin about
was she quoting some movie line that we are supposed to know or something? But I love the random bashing for my Screen Name. I wonder, is Allie her or the dog, or are they one and the same? It really is too bad she cant read all that well, calling my idea dumb, when I state numerous times that it is far fetched and not the most likely of things to happen. But is this idea really that horrible, I dont think so compared to the other options and the fact that we will have a lame duck coach who obviously nobody wants to be coaching under right now. I guess we will see how ridiculous that idea is a few years down the road when Mike Brown is a highly coveted DC and we coulda had him first, lol.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
To butt in...
if you don’t mind. Or even if you do…
I wonder, is Allie her or the dog, or are they one and the same? It really is too bad she cant read all that well,
Really? Because she mocked the amount of punctuation on your internet handle, you decide to call her a dog and question her literacy… again, really?
And yes, the idea is beyond thinking outside the box.
To explain, your original post questioned his ability to stay healthy, or to quote you “quit acting like he can come back and be healthy.” Yet, last season with the Chiefs:
16 games, 2.0 sacks, 3 INT, 1FR, 75 Tackles, 24 Assist
If he was acting, it was a convincing effort, in my opinion.
Also, why is Lovie a lame duck coach? Why?
A healthy team + better protection + two new coordinators + our head coach actually focusing on being a head coach + players gaining another year of experience + we were only 7-9 last year =/= lame duck coach.
Not to mention that he has two years remaining on his contract. If we go to the playoffs in one of or both of those seasons, do you believe that the Bears won’t resign him?
I guess we will see how ridiculous that idea is a few years down the road when Mike Brown is a highly coveted DC and we coulda had him first, lol.
I’d like to talk about this again in three years when the 34 year old Mike Brown, with zero coaching experience, only a year (maybe) removed from playing, is being highly sought over by teams who want him as their DC.
LOLZ, Bearz rul!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
ill tell you also
learn how to read. Not only did alley mock my handle she mocked my intelligence. So im sorry I attacked her, actually, Im not. What she said was totally uncalled for and not something that I initiated. So please mind your own business.
Did I questions Mike Browns ability to stay healthy? Yeah I did, just like every bears fan has done over the last what, 6 years or so has done. If he got the chance to stay in the game in a capacity in which he wouldnt get hurt, you dont think hed take it?
By saying Lovie is a lame duck I was merely reiterating everything that the majority of people keep posting on here. Again please read all the posts before responding.
Oh and so what Mike Brown will be 34 in 3 years, Cowher got the Chiefs DC gig at what 32 after 4 years as special teams coach and secondary coach. Cowher was never the player Brown has been. Id probably say Brown has a similar football IQ to cowher. Why would 2 years as a Special teams coach and 2 years as a secondary coach make you more ready then playing on the defense and being a leader and teacher on the field?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 15, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
LMAO!
Okay bud.
Firstly, she said, “Isn’t there some rule that says your ideas go down in quality by the number of exclamation points in your screen name?”
This is hardly taking a shot at your intelligence and more so making a joke. One where you turned defensive and called her a dog and unable to read.
Secondly…
Yeah I did, just like every bears fan has done over the last what, 6 years or so has done.
By saying Lovie is a lame duck I was merely reiterating everything that the majority of people keep posting on here.
Look at the facts, ie. Mike Brown playing a full season without injury and then formulate your own opinions. Don’t go off what “everyone else” is saying.
Thirdly…
If he got the chance to stay in the game in a capacity in which he wouldnt get hurt, you dont think hed take it?
Huh?!? A good majority of players play the game because they love the game. If Brown were truly interested in coaching, he could have already made an effort to go that route.
And you answered your own question. Cowher had coaching experience. He worked his way up, they didn’t just hand him a coordinator position.
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by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
ok so
4 years of experience as a secondary coach and special teams guy make you more qualified then leading the defense on the field of play. I really dont think thats necessarily the case. But you can go ahead and say that if you want. Personally i see traits in Mike that lead me to believe it is something he would excel at from day one. Second I doubt a good majority of the players nowadays play for love of the game. Money is the biggest thing anymore. Mike I believe loves the game. And coaching would keep him close to the game he loves without risking further injuries. You say he could have already made an effort to go tht route, but what if he wants to but hasnt because nobodys talked to him about it yet. I say sit him down and see what he thinks.
Next I have formulated my own opinions, and have no problem sharing them, The problem you have is that you have yet to read this post starting at the begining.
Lastly, if you cant understand that what she said, “your ideas go down in quality”, is a knock on my intelligence then you my friend are a moron.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 15, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I've read the thread.
Not really sure why you think that I haven’t. And is it even possible for you to disagree with someone without resorting to name-calling?
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by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of screen names...
I know you weren’t talking about me, but I can’t stand my screen name. I just didn’t want to start a new account to change it. First blog site I have ever been a part of and to be honest, I didn’t know what the hell I was doing when I first got on here. Tried Payton34 – taken, tried various other decent names – all taken. Do I have to open a new account to change it? Looks and sounds like I am a damn 5th grader.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Lol,
I’ve had the same thought. I think if you start a new account with a different name, that you can link or somehow attach an old account to it. I’ve never done it, but I can see where some regulars on this site have.
Allie formerly (halfblindcubbiegirl) I think or Dane formerly (Geauxbears) should know. I believe our contributing writers Mark, Kev, and Wilt also changed their names.
You can try to put in a request to SBN,
but chances are they will just tell you to start a new account. They have done some changes for writers, but that is for other reasons other than us not liking our user names.
Y'know what we got here? Mother**ckin' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk.
and thanks from me as well
probably start a new account…maybe some kind of alter ego thing, just kidding.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I was curious so I looked,
If you go to your profile page, click on edit account, then there is an option for claiming an older account. I don’t exactly know what that does for you as I have never tried it.
Maybe I’ll create another account and try to claim it to see what happens. I would hope that it transfers any fan posts/shots to your new dashboard.
Hope this helps.
I seen that, just didn't want to try
and lose everything. What the hell, this weekend i’ll give it a shot. Thanks again Fridge.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hahaha yeah it does kinda sound like that.
do you have any ideas for your new name?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
dunno, something old school
I’ll give it some thought and thanks.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
If your gonna hire Mike Brown for anything
I think he would be best suited as a secondary coach, throwing him into a defensive coordinator position would be an extraordinary leap from player to coach.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Look, I totally agree
Im just, not gonna come on here and be like, well we blew it again, we suck, next season is over, like just about everyone else is. We didnt get the guy we wanted. So screw it, lets go in a totally different direction. I know its not ever gonna happen, I know its a huge jump, but would it really make that much of a difference, whoever is the DC will be Lovies puppet anyways, Lovie will call the plays, we will run Lovies Defense. I just think it would allow for a learning experience for a guy who I believe at somepoint will be one hell of a Coach.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
While I love the enthusiasm
and would love to see Mike Brown back in Chicago. I would certainly hate for him to get his first taste of coaching under the final death throws of Lovie’s Lame Duck year. Better for him to start off under someone where there was more stability.
Also I think one day if he wants to, Hunter Hillenmeyer will make a great DC then HC. Provided he stays in football and doesn’t go another direction. As those guys get older, maybe since they aren’t part of the “85” Bears regime the McCaskey’s might actually consider hiring them.
Thats all good and fine
and I don’t disagree with you that he would be a good coach one day, I’m just saying giving him the DC position would be too much for him to handle. That’s too much responsibility for someone without any previous coaching experience but giving him another position like an assistant or secondary coach would be the beginning to what could be a good coaching career. Anything I’m saying isn’t geared towards we suck or next season is already over because I’m not that dramatic or pessimistic, we will find a quality coach to run the defense. The coordinator we hire won’t be Lovie’s puppet like everyone is assuming either but he’s still going to have his hands in the defense as head coach and that’s to be expected. I don’t think we should be in a position to just throw anybody in as D-coordinator because you don’t believe it will make a difference, if you ask me that is exactly sounding like your throwing in the towel.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
You mean hiring an former employee
who knew his job very well but never had any real supervisory duties to suddenly become VP of a related division isn’t the world’s most awesome idea?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Did Mike Brown run over your dog or something?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha
that was pretty funny.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
No but he shot mine
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
out of all this..
just think, the last former player HC for us was Ditka. That didn’t work out too bad.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
but he'd worked under landry
before coming here as HC. For 9 years.
I’m not against player to coach… if Brown wants to coach offer him an assistant position coach job and let him stretch his legs (or something similar and low risk).
You don’t hire a guy off the street to help run a billion dollar business just because you liked him 4 years ago.
I get that we’re playing the “throw it against the wall and see what sticks” game… but really i don’t even see where this idea hits the building let alone the wall. Honestly.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I agree about him giving him a shot at being the db's coach...
definitely not the DC though. And you are correct, guarantee he learned a lot from Landry. Look at what I just posted, that’s what I really miss about our team.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
too many hims, sorry.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
why wouldnt it hit the building
are u incapable of noticing when a player is a natural born leader and when a player KNOWS the game. IT has very little to do witht he fact that " I liked him 4 years ago" and much more to do with the fact that he knows the defensive side of the ball as well as anyone weve had play on our team in years. I know thats not saying much, lol. But it really isnt hey lets make Urlacher our DC, ive liked him but hes not a guy I could ever see coaching. Mike Brown on the other hand, is.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 15, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
so you only read the (exceedingly mild) insult
and ignore the part where I point out that you need TO COACH before getting a supervisory position?
Brown COULD become a coach one day. But a) he’s still playing b) he’’s still playing pretty well c) he’s the one who’ll make that call when to hang ’em up and see if he is the one who wants to coach.
Have you ever coached? Playing and coaching are so different its not even funny.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Playing and Coaching can be different
but what you are missing obviously is that there are players out there who already get it. Some players you can coach and they do well, other players already get it and help out and lead on the field. I mean there are defensive leaders, guys the other players look to for help advice and leadership, Mike is one of those guys. Is it really so different, I dont think so. And i understand it will be his call as to if and when he goes into coaching. im not trying to make that decision for him, jeez. I just stated that a coaching job could be enticing for a guy who loves the game and knows it well but has a hard time staying on the field due to injuries. Do you all have selective reading skills or what?
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 15, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Y'know what we got here? Mother**ckin' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk.
by Dane Noble on Jan 15, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
thats totally how i feel
Mike Brown was an idea. I never came out and said hes the best guy for the job. But i get crapped on for noticing the leadership skills and intelligence a player displays and saying, u know what hed make a good coach. heck ive been sayin hed make a good coach for about 5 years now. I just dont see what some forward thinking would hurt for this bears franchise that has been stuck in the mud for so long. That was my point all along.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 15, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
the funny thing is...
there are a lot of coaches in the NFL that just down right suck, including Lovie. They all have past records and credentials of where they are at and how they got there. That still doesn’t mean they are worth a s—t. From this past season, you wouldn’t even think that Lovie had much experience as a HC. Every coach does have to start somewhere. But like I said before, imo, DC is way to big of a leap for Mike Brown although I could see him as a good db’s coach.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
What about broadcasting?
He could stay in the game and could “quit acting like he can come back and be healthy.”But since he was such a great and vocal leader for our favorite team, let’s screw the small time stuff and go ahead and put him on Monday night. Gotta learn to swim sometime, right?
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by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
careful, smudgers
he’ll ask if you’re the doofus in your profile pic next…
honestly, i’m starting to be sorry i ever replied. i violated my own “no replying to meatheads” rule.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Of course...
that’s me in the pic. If it’s on the internet, it’s gotta be true, right?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 16, 2010 5:37 AM CST up reply actions
what people also need to remember
As good as that defense was, Ditka was an offensive minded coach.
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
about the pesimistic remarks
I wasnt refering to you specifically, just the site in general. And when I get negative feedback, that isnt constructive, to an idea that was merely a call for some radical thinking by the Bears, not necessarily for Mike Brown in general, just something like that. I merely answered it with all the things I see everyone else talking about, He wont call his own plays anyways, Lovie is a lame duck so nobody wants to coach under him, so if those are the things everyone thinks why not take a big chance, really, what could it hurt.
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
I was speaking in hypotheticals as well
I think if Mike Brown didn’t want to play it would be a good decision to try him out if he was interested but not as such a high position right away. Whoever we do hire though will be calling their own plays with the Tampa-2 as the base scheme, Lovie won’t have his hands in all defensive decisions or he wouldn’t have been relieved of his duties as DC. Lovie also won’t be a “lame duck” until next season if he still has his job, so as of now he’s just “lame.” I’m trying as hard as I can to have optimism about all of this because it is thoroughly disappointing that we have such idiots running our team.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 14, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
DB's coach, hell yeah.
DC not right yet. The dude knew where to be at all times when he played for us though.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Assistant "D" coach
let him learn to coach before you make him a position coach. Every team carries a few potential coaches learning the ropes with bland “offensive assistant” type titles that have no primary job (i.e. position coaches, coordinators, etc). but get to learn to coach, study technique, run drills, and sit in on coaching meetings. That’s what Mike would start with, if interested.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 15, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
another good idea, i like that
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
offseason
no one wants to join this team for one year and then get fired when they fire lovie. the only one is maybe mike martz, but only to try and stay on as an OC. I heard that the bears contacted the owners of the steelers to set up a interview with Bill Cower, but bill said that we wanted to wait another year. so basically cower will be the GM, head coach 2 years from now and lovie and angelo will be gone.
correction,
he (bill cower) wanted to wait another year.
by Bears-Bullsfan on Jan 14, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
If that happens
It will be the second coming of Christ.
by GriggsBriggs on Jan 15, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
If management
Was gonna pull this kinda shit then what the hell was the point in trading for Cutler? Some “committment” to winning alright…
Roll Tide... National Champs!!!
yet another sign our organization is dysfunctional
when you fire your OC and DC but keep your HC (who gets fired as DC) who has maybe 1 year left before he gets fired, you’ve got a hell of a problem in terms of getting quality people interested taking those jobs. maybe we can get a decent OC because whoever takes that job will have plenty of autonomy and lots of work with, but the DC…you still run lovie’s broken defense. i think we’re screwed on that side of the ball, honestly.
I wish Lovie would just go to the University of Tennessee.
It’d be such a simple solution to the many problems. How do they expect any legitimate coach to come in when he might be gone in one year right with Lovie?
by Twins Territory on Jan 14, 2010 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Doug Plank
Jets DB Coach
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
every passing day shows that
we had NO plan whatsoever. both the OC and DC could have been figured out by now. the fact that this crap is still going on is a pretty good indication that the front office is totally inept and lacking a plan of action.
"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."
not entirely true
our plan is to wait until the playoffs are over, and when every coach we interview from the teams there deny us, we will then have no plan =]
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
Jim Zorn
4 OC
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
gawd i hope so....
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
Mother ******!!!!
Just can’t get anyone that could possibly be good… I’m sick of how inept the owners are.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
we'll get a good OC
but probably not a good DC. which is too bad, because the defense is where we probably need the most help.
And when you think Chicago...
normally you think defense. Right now alls we can do is wait, but i really would love to see them get back to that, “smash them right in their f’n mouth kinda attitude.” Rex Ryan would have been perfect as our HC. His dad was the real deal. Hell, back then da Bears in general were the real deal and it all started with that attitude. Richard Dent, “We knocked on the door this year, next year we are going to kick the f’n door down.” Damn I miss that. Compared to now, Lovie Smith, “We will look at game tape and see what we did to get better.” Everytime I hear that I think to myself, what the hell happened. Where’s the fire, where’s the passion, where’s the you better do your job or we will find someone to replace you kind of attitude. They didn’t just want to beat teams back then, they wanted to actually kick the shit out of them. Get someone in here to do that.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
People here don't want to hear this kind of talk
For the most part. I’ve been beating this drum for a long time.
As I stated earlier, the defensive rankings for the remaining playoff teams are 1,2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 11, 15.
Defense still triumphs in the NFL.
As far as Rex, son of Buddy, the Bears have gone almost completely away from the dominating defense of the ’85 Bears right after Buddy left in 1986 for the Eagles.
It’s difficult to understand, but that’s the McCaskey’s for you.
Defense is great
but you still need to SCORE.
And the rules are trending to make offense more dominant. Being able to take advantage of that is a GOOD thing.
And having a solid defense that pressures the other QB and gets off the field is “enough”. You need solid pressure and great 3rd down efficiency (and winning the takeaway battle helps)…
Ideally, you want a team thats top 10 in both O & D…. but how likely is that?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Allie, I agree with you most of the time..
but this time I can’t. Defense is what wins championships. You take any great offense and match that with a great defense, defense is going to win out right. I love that we have Jay Cutler and some young WR’s that show a lot of promise, but we will not win with that alone. When Orton started most of the season I think in ’05, our defense was the whole season. They were really good that year and our offense only had to score 13-16 points to win most of their games if I remember correctly. If we had that type of defense this past year, imo, i think we would have won 10 to 12 games easily. Of course I agree with you about balance, but it all starts with a dominating defense.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Great defense (#1 in all categories) and great offense (warner to fitzgerald)
And they were within what 30 seconds of winning? Because the other teams offense was better.
Getting stops is important… but scoring matters more.
This whole macho “we’re the bears and we play defense” thing is wearing.
I’m NOT saying we shouldn’t work on improving the defense. Or that dominating defense is bad. I AM saying that football is evolving. Rules have shifted to benefiting offenses over the last several years. We traded a LOT to join that realm of modern football. And now everyone’s saying they’d rather play defense than score points.
I need to go to bed…. sigh.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I really do respect your opinion and we can find common ground with Balance.
We need to get better on both sides of the ball when it comes down to it. Really good defense and really good offense = success.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Carolina had an awesome offense
That killed our awesome defense. You can win with a great offense and an ok defense or vice versa. N.O. Min, Ari, Ind, even Dal and Bal have really really good offense’s. If you score a lot, it makes it easy on your D. If you force turnovers, it makes it easy on your O.
by Ryan21 on Jan 15, 2010 8:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But offense wins Superbowls.
Actually it is a ridicules argument. It is kind of one of those which came first the chicken or the egg things. It takes both to win. If you can’t score you can’t win and if you can stop scoring you can’t win. 0-3 is a loss just like 27 -30.
Superbowls
I think defense gets you to the championship game, but I think the Super Bowl might be different only because offenses get 2 weeks to draw up a scheme. I think extra preparation time benefits offense.
That said, I’m always more comfortable rooting for a team that has a defense that is always threatening to create a turnover or get a stop. I’m an Alabama fan (and I know college and NFL football are two different beasts), but whomever we played, I always knew we would stand a chance because our defense is fantastic.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Jan 15, 2010 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed,
Allie is right that the constant little rule changes that come out of the owners meetings every off-season trend towards the offensive side of the ball. I get it, TD’s sell tickets and NFL Direct TV packages and such. That said, even today in the offensive era, defense wins championships.
A great offense will get you to the play-offs. A great defense wins the championship and the Super Bowl. Even with the Brady rule and cracking down on DB’s you have to have a great defense to get the trophy.
Occasionally there is an exception, 2006 Bears vs. Colts, but Steelers, Giants, Steelers, some of the Patriot teams (one of the Patriot teams was an exception), Bucs…. On and on.
It is an exciting time in Chicago because for the first time in a really long time we actually have a QB. We can change our philosophy to pass first run second, but we can’t get away from having a good defense. That is the only thing that has kept us somewhat competitive for the past two decades. We have had a few pretty crappy teams that stayed competitive in our division because at least the D was good. Rarely works the other way.
I agree with you totally.
I still think we could have won the SB in ‘06 by running the ball with TJ., they couldn’t stop him. But oh no, Ron Turner had to try and throw the ball over and over with that basket case of a qb. I attribute that directly to Ron Turner, what a chump.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I would put our '85 defense up against any offense..
present or past and feel comfortable they would come out on top. We had the personnel and a great DC. Those guys could have been great in any type of scheme imo, not just the 4-6.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Right when I joined this site...
I was pissed about management, I was pissed about the McCaskey’s, I was pissed about our coaches, i was pissed about almost the whole decade of the ’90’s (post Ditka of course), I was pissed about hiring lame ass coaches like Wanny and Jauron, I was pissed about 1st round drafts that were busts. I try and stay positive now a days, that someday we will get back there, somehow..some way. I really like this site and dont want to get kicked off, so I just keep it tame.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions
I think the best thing for bears fans and the bears
Is another nfl team in Chicago. A teams with owners who cared about winning. That would put pressure on the Bears to put a good product on the field or lose all their fans to another team. Rams, Raiders, jags, they all might be on the move. Idk why Chicago can only have one team when Cali has 3 and NY has 2 and Fla has 3. Ohio has 2. We have the most die hard fans in the country. How can a second team not make a ton of $?
by Ryan21 on Jan 15, 2010 8:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sean Jensen at CST joins in the
“throw against wall and see what sticks” game:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2010/01/fewell_to_giants_now_what.html
A whole list of names, few of which i’ve heard before.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Herm
I found this of him the other day….pretty interesting, but doesn’t seem interested in a DC gig.
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/1/13/1250594/herm-edwards-on-the-bears-and
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Thanks for the linky...
I bet the Bears end up with Herm Edwards and Mike Martz. It appears that up and coming coaches are not interested, so that leaves experienced retread coaches are the only route left. Basically, anyone with promising future is smart enough to sty away. That leaves those with a promising past. IT"S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
When you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!!!
Farewell Fewell
We hardly knew yee. And now who is next? Some other Lovie flunky? Let’s just hire Martz and re-promote Babich and get it over with….I’m sick of being teased.
by Sam Householder on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 AM CST reply actions
New candidates
but from within….Looks like SackMan might be right:
Since there are only a handful of teams running the gap-control scheme highlighting the cover-2 in passing situations, don’t be surprised if the Bears wind up promoting from within, perhaps defensive backs coach Jon Hoke or defensive line coach Rod Marinelli.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
i think Marinelli turned the job down already
What is Dave Toub’s backround. I wouldn’t mind promoting him to a cooridinator position. He is the best coach on the staff.
by Ryan21 on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
As player:
• Philadelphia Eagles (1985)*
Offseason and/or practice squad member only
As coach:
• University of Texas-El Paso (1986)
Graduate Assistant
• University of Texas-El Paso (1987-1988)
Strength and conditioning coach
• University of Missouri (1989-1998)
Strength and conditioning coach
• University of Missouri (1998-2000)
Defensive line coach
• Philadelphia Eagles (2001-2003)
Special teams/Quality control coach
• Chicago Bears (2004-present)
Special teams coordinator
…from wiki
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
I truely believe
That we are waiting for the Colts’ Secondary coach to open up. Alan Williams i believe his name is. He’s got a helluva secondary over in Inday, and most of that is his doing. He’s young, and is very football smart. He has turned Bethea into Ed Reed over in Indy. Point and match is that Indy’s secondary allowed only 5 or 6 passing touchdowns all last season.
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
Bradd Biggs on the Score
Mully thinks that the search can go past the super bowl….
Looks like their A list guys do not want to come here….
fewell might have looked at the roster and viewed the nyg as more talented than the Bears….
Look at how Lovie has gone through coaches and mistakes on coaches they have made…..That may be why people would not trust them….
Thinks that the Bears might get a run coordinator and passing coordinator similar to other teams are starting to do now……
The Bears want to find the next andy reid, jon grudan, etc…..Thing is can the Bears do that…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Random thought:
I wonder if Fewell would have chosen to come to Chicago if we already had an OC in place. It might be a intimidating thing to consider coming in as a DC for a team who struggled offensively like we did, especially with turnovers.
Fewell might have wanted to know that we had someone in place to truly mentor and develop our young offensive players, so that it was a truly balanced team. I personally wouldn’t want to be DC for a team who had turned the ball over eleventy million times, and then have no answer as to whom was going to run the offense the next year.
Y'know what we got here? Mother**ckin' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk.
Good point, didn't think of that.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
By the way,
the article about the 14yr. old boy calling some plays for Baltimore was a great read. I love reading stuff like that. Helps take things into perspective. Thanks.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
While I liked the idea of Fewell being hired
this ain’t the end of the world…
And the Bears aren’t the first team to have to search around to find a coach that works. Sometimes it just isn’t a good fit.
Who could have predicted the whole USC thing going down? Had that not happened maybe Bates is here right now. Teams refuse to let coaches interview with other teams all the time, it’s not fault of the Bears that they couldn’t talk to Clements.
I’m sure thay have a plan B, C, D, E, F… and so on. Even though they haven’t been very good at the business side of football, football is still their business.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 15, 2010 9:14 AM CST reply actions
good point
you made a good point friend. And i want to add onto yours for a minute. How do we know fewell was plan A? He may have been 2nd or 3rd on their list. Reports say that the bears hadn’t even offered him money yet. Could it be that they may have 1st or 2nd choice coaching in the playoffs still? I think so.
"If you call them, they will come." - Jerry Angle/Lovie Smith after vacating the OC spot
100% Agree.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 15, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
yup, not the end of the world
maybe he will suck in NY, none of us will know that until next season.
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Is this a serious suggestion?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
He's posted it in multiple threads...
so probably.
Y'know what we got here? Mother**ckin' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk.
i agree...although
Urlacher does meet the criteria…worked with Lovie and can do the Tampa 2 defense so hes probably a good choice oh and hes pretty intimating to see on the side lines…
btw is it sad that i’m kind of rooting for the jets to take the AFC only because i miss the bears having Thomas Jones (still holding a grudge for letting him go for Benson-probably number 2 on the worst moves made by the Bears front office)…
im thinking this off season is going to be a long long drag because the bears cant seem to hire a OC or a DC…and the only good looking defensive guy is now going to the Giants…lets face it we are probably going to get some no namers in town soon guys…
lol
I will trade you three pretzel's, two bologna sandwiches, and one Lovie Smith for your pudding.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 15, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions
As a Giants fan I'm surprised that
we might have gotten Fewell becasue we paid more money. The Giants are pretty cheap when it comes to hiring coaches but that why we ended up replacing Spags with Bill Sheridan instead of Dom Capers. Though I know the Bears front office has a history of being cheap too so I should’nt be that surprised.
Who are you guys targeting know? I hope you end up with someone good I can’t take watching Favre win.
This highlights all of it
Karma is hitting the Bears hard. First Bates and now Fewell. As a die-hard fan, it saddens me that this team has gone from great to whatever the hell this is. But at the moment I’m happy that everyone is saying no to this team. These jackasses are so arrogant that they believed that anyone and everyone would beat down their door to be hired. And now all the top candidates are saying no thanks. Right now we would have a new staff if the McCaskeys had the balls and fortitude to fire Lovie and Angelo. Or maybe we’d be ok if Lovie allowed a change of defense. But no!!!!!! The new coordinator HAS to run the cover-2. Lovie feels that if t worked before, it will work again. That’s like saying Hitler should be resurrected and be named chancellor of Germany because it worked once before. I don’t understand why Lovie was not stripped of personnel power. That should have been reworked because Lovie is not in a position to negotiate. But alas we are screwed for another year.
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