Chicago Bears Roster Turnover: Wide Receiver
No position on the Bears was more scrutinized (from begining to end) during the 2009 season than the wide receivers. From the second Jay Cutler was acquired til... well, it's still ongoing... fans have been looking for the Bears to revamp their receiving corps. In fact, many were looking for the Bears to find a legit #1 WR the last few years. With as much negativity as there was surrounding those wide outs, I thought they did a solid job. Nothing spectacular (although there were a few special moments sprinkled throughout '09), but definitely trending upward. And now on the list of problems the Bears may need to address before 2010, is receiver even in the top 5?
WIDE RECEIVER - The Bears can't go into 2010 with the same faces as 2009, can they? It is a possibility. There wasn't a big problem with drops last year, instead it was the route running that was the constant bugaboo. Seemingly every week, whichever color analyst was given the chore to work a Bears game, the topic eventually came around to the young and inexperienced receivers not running the right routes, or making the right reads, or not running hard the entire play, or not coming back to the scrambling quarterback. Even when the occasional color man (Ron Jaworski) would call out Jay Cutler for making the majority of mistakes that led to those interceptions, said color man would still find some fault in the unproven receivers.
Devin Hester - Signed through 2013 - With all the ‘Hester isn't a #1' and ‘trade Devin' talk out there, he sure was on pace for a solid season. Had he not missed those games and maintained his pace, he would have had about seventy catches for around a thousand yards. Not #1 WR numbers, but a heck of a lot more than some expected. (But real close to what I predicted back in June! Yes I'll quote myself; 'I'm already on record as saying I think Hester will get about 70 catches for 1000+ yards') Anyway... I still don't see Hester ever becoming a number one receiver in the truest sense of the term. Mainly because I don't see him having the instincts to go get the ball in those situations where you'd expect your #1 receiver to make a play. He has improved, and he has had a handful of the 'go get it' type plays, but just not enough for me to see him as any more than a potentially game breaking slot receiver. And that's not a bad thing.
Devin Aromashodu - Signed through 2010 -Of all the receivers on the roster D.A. has the skill set to blossom into that #1 WR. Which was probably why Cutler was asking for him to get some p.t. all season long. With the way he finished up he should go into the OTA's as a starter. Extrapolate his final 4 games (when he finaly saw some meaningful snaps) into a 16 game season and we're looking at 88 receptions, 1128 yards, and 16 TD's.
Earl Bennett - Signed through 2011 - After essentially redshirting last year he showed a knack for making the tough catch. He was the only Bears wide out that caught a ball in all 16 games last year. Another year working with Cutler and his numbers should go up. He could fill the posession receiver role on the Bears for years to come.
Johnny Knox - Signed through 2012 - Did anyone expect this kind of season when he was drafted? That 5th round pick that many thought was a throw in in the Cutler deal may turn out to be a valuable part of the Bears offense and special teams moving forward. And to think, had D.A. not been hurt going into week 1, Knox may not have even seen the field. Reagrdless of the kind of offense the Bears end up running, Knox will be in the mix at receiver.
Rashied Davis - Signed through 2010 -Last year I just knew he'd end up back on the roster due to his quality special teams play, but this year I'm not as sure. He's still real good in the 3rd phase, but at some point you need to keep receivers around because they are good receivers. Davis is due $935,000 in 2010, not that out of line for someone of his talents, but still quite a bit for the 5th WR on the roster. If another receiver can step up and show promise on special teams I can see Davis being cut.
Juaquin Iglesias - Signed through 2012 - Best case scererio for Juaquin is his he'll be the 2010 version of Earl Bennett (redshirt then snag about 50 balls), but I think the Bears are hoping he can ease his way into the offense while playing on special teams. With his draft status he'll be given every opportunity to stick around, but he'll have to take to special teams to increase his value. The Bears seem to be be very comfortable with their top 4 WR's so baring a Mike Martz type offense with some 5 receiver sets, look for Iglesias to again be a little used 5th or 6th WR on the roster.
Eric Peterman - Contract undisclosed - Peterman was signed to the practice squad in late December when the Bears had some injuries to their wide outs. He should be in camp next year and vying for a roster spot or at the very least a chance to be on the practice squad again. This will be another guy that has to thrive on special teams if he's to make the final 53.
2010 WR OUTLOOK - I'm sure the Bears will explore all options to find an established #1 WR, and even with no first or second round pick in the 2010 draft they'll still be involved in some trade talks, with their 2011 picks in play. After Jerry Angelo traded for Cutler, I'll never discount anything again... even with as unlikely as it seems. Brandon Marshall and Anquan Boldin will be on the market, and while I wouldn't mind either one being picked up, I also wouldn't mind them sticking with what they got.
On the free agent front, Charger starting wide receivers Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd are two posibilities, and with San Diego having so many free agents to sign, one of them may be available. Terrell Owens could be had for a 1 or 2 year deal (he was on his best behavior in Buffalo). And of course Matt Jones is always looking for a job. Once the CBA stuff is worked out we'll have a better idea on the free agent status of a lot of players.
Look for the Bears to draft at least one WR at some point and then bring in a few undrafted receivers to compete in camp.
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NO NO NO
the team has tied its future and fortune to Cutler. you have to find a way for him to be successful. a #1 reciever is essential.
Keep 'em
Everyone of our 4 main receivers (Hester, DA, Bennett, Knox) has way too much upside and potential to cut. I think another year developing them will be fine. I don’t see them as nearly the problem as our O-line or D-Line or Secondary. Use every dime we have to get some stars at safety, CB, D-tackle, or O-line.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Jan 26, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Not true
Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal were nobodys until Jay Cutler started to heat up. Are recievers are nobodys right now, but they could become the next Marshall/Royal combination in the next couple of years.
If they did.
We’d have two Brandon Marshalls in the world. If they met, it could shatter the universe.
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They are soft!
Wait… what?!?
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
If it look a duck...
Aromashodu sure looked like he have #1 receiver talent. Hester and Knox are legitimate threats to make big plays. Bennet, well he’s solid. Coach up the offensive line and get some cohesiveness out of those guys we can be a very productive offense.
The receivers surprised I thin everyone this year
And I don’t see why they need any one else. Yes maybe a clear cut true #1 guy would be great and solidify the corps but Bennett is a great possession guy who made some really nice athletic catches this year, D.A. has no. 1 potential and I can say that seeing him in person in the Minnesota game in Chicago he looked the part. Hester is a decent no. 1 option for now but I think he would be amazing in the slot, but that is also where Knox is the man. These guys should all be given a chance to shine because each one of them did at some point this year.
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
by GallopingGhost on Jan 26, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions
#1's
You guys and your drum beating for a true #1 rcvr are becoming a pain in the a**. Give me an exact deffinition of a #1. Is it the 6’4" and above that has good speed, or is it the reciever that is between 5’11" and 6’4" that catches everything ( almost ) that you throw in his viscinity. Here are three recievers as examples ( not their size ) but the way they played. All three are in the hall of fame and some of their records still stand. Compare the way that they played and look to our recievers with some of those same qualities. Look up that stats for these guys. Belitnikof didn’t wear pads when he played because he thought they slowed him down. Jerry Rice6'1", Steve largent5’11", Fred Belitnikof(sp) 5’11". Their size wasn’t an issue but their ability and tenacity made them the best. Another year or two and our recieving team could easily be in the top five in the league.
Put the money and efforts where they will benifit the team the most. O/C, D/C, O/L, D/Bs, and a QB coach that will work with and help Jay Cuttler develope into the QB that everyone in the league knows that he has the talent to become. Enough of this true #1 crap. Just turn our recievers into the offenscive weapon that they can be. My 2 cents worth.
Phone home.
A number one is your go to guy. He doesn’t have to big, but that certainly helps. Ditto fast. Technically that’s Shabba. But we need a matching pair so that they can’t shut down both. We just don’t have receivers we can trust with Martz’ playbook coming through the door.
E.T. man, it is just plain false logic to say that because Steve Largent was 5’11 we shouldn’t worry about our midget receiving corps. Steve Largent is a receiving legend. The Bears have never employed a receiving legend other than Tom Waddle. Neither Steve Largent nor Tom Waddle is on this roster. We have no one fit to hold their Jockstraps on this roster – with the possible exception of Shabba. Earl Bennett took a long time to get to grips with Turner’s playbook. How long will it take now before he stops looking like he’s doing long division in his head ? Ditto Hester the dummy, Rashied Davis, Johnny Knox and Juaquin Iglesias (good luck!). All of the above will be lost at sea come game one. Cutler will be making it rain on Shabba, and opposing defenses will see that.
The only thing between Kyle Orton and an early bath this year was Brandon Marshall. As we all know in Beardom, Kyle’s a nice boy, likes his golf, but he can throw the ball about 5 yards with some zip on it. Whenever he found himself in trouble he just had to chuck it up there for The Beast – the man Nnamdi Asomugha called "the hardest receiver in the NFL to bring down." We gave Jay what we should have given him in week one. A big target to hit. He thought he had one in his BF Greg Olsen. We thought he had one in his BF Greg Olsen. He was wrong. We were wrong. If there is any semblance of reality kept under Martz’ watch, Olsen will not make the first team becasue he can’t block. If we don’t reach for a receiver to widen Cutler’s horizons a bit then perhaps Kellen Davis should become the starter over Clarke, unlikely due to Clarke’s seniority – although Davis can block, he pancaked two guys on one play last year that was just sweet and jaw-dropping when one is used to seeing Olsen avoid any contact.
Angelo bought the gun without bullets. Let’s get some bullets that are six foot five. Then let’s go out hunting in the NFC North. Bear down.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Bears need O-Coordinator more than WRs
The Bears already have sufficient pass catchers, including Matt Forte, Greg Olsen and Desmond Clark.
The team’s major issue was with the O-coordinator. The Bears were cool when it was run-first offense in 2008 , hence Forte’s awesome season. This past year, the Bears had a legit QB and wanted to pass the ball more.
The Bears need an o-coordinator similar to the offense of the Vikings. If this is Mike Martz, then let it be!
Kellen Davis
was a weapon as well…what is he? 6’7?
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jan 26, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
damn!!!..lmao
Round and round ya go, where ya stop only Homie knows..spin your dumb ass!!! Homie D. Clown
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 26, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I suspect
We will also see Brandon Rideau back for another try at Camp.
Glad to see someone else who's a fan of Rideau ...
He was our best receiver in camp, best hands, good speed, veteran receiver … 6’3 !! And free as a bird …
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
My take
Move Hester to FT returns, PT WR. To me Knox and Hester appear to be the same WR. So leave knox and WR with DA, Bennett, and maybe Iglesias or a FA.
Would be nice.
Unfortunately, money talks, and Hester’s not getting paid tons of money to be a part-time receiver.
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Oh, I'm in full agreement.
Sports team management very rarely seems to understand the idea of sunk costs—it’s like they think “we’re paying him to do it, so he’s going to do it even if he sucks”
For example, look at the long stretches where Alfonso Soriano is not productive for the Cubs. Instead of sitting him, they trot him back out to left field, where he plays below-average to average outfielder, and then also doesn’t hit.
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
But wasn’t Hester’s top end money highly dependent on hitting numbers as a WR? So really, money shouldn’t be that much of an issue. I still support Hester as a part time WR, but with the emergence of Knox, DA, and Bennett in the slot, I see Hester as more of a WR oriented Reggie Bush than a full time WR.
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by Jacob Hayes on Jan 26, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Is there any way to renegotiate his contract?
If we could find a way to restructure those incentives such that they rewarded him for being a good returner as well as a decent (think #2) WR, maybe he would agree to the shift in roles. Heck, make the overall incentives higher if that’s what it takes for him to be happy, because I doubt he could still meet all of them.
Honestly, if I were him and looking out for money, I’d probably be thinking about the next contract as well. Because, as it stands, I don’t know if anybody is going to pay him big money to be a returner or WR for them (with him no longer doing one role, and not doing very well at the other).
Health issues concern me
For three out of the four top WRs (Hester, Aromashodu & Knox).
For that reason alone, I say we bring in a solid FA.
If/When healthy, I’m comfortable with the top four guys.
good point
Bennett was the only heatlhy one i just noticed
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jan 26, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see health as an issue with these guys.
They got nicked up more than injured. Knox only missed a game and a half (and that was due to a kick return), Hester missed two full games with a calf injury, and DA was a thigh bruise where the timing was bad for him because the rest of the guys were doing well enough that he couldn’t get on the field. None of them were in and out of the lineup with a lot of nagging injuries or long term with a serious injury that they have to rehab. That’s the point of having 4 or 5 decent ones because WR’s will have some bumps and bruises during a 16 game season. Who knows what the future will bring, but I don’t see them in the same injury class as someone like Mike Brown during his last 4 or 5 seasons with the Bears.
Its football
sorry but thats part of the game, you’re going to get hurt if you play, trust me.
Rebuild the O-Line
and all those heroes will magically appear. Hero receivers and running backs happen when there’s holes to run through and great pass protection for the QB.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
there's no rule you can't rebuild the o-line
and get a #1 reciever all at the same time. especially with all that money they saved in not firing lovie.
true true
but will they pay for both is the question
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jan 26, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Who was Brandon Marshall before cutler got there?
Cutler has the talent to make recievers special. We have players that can stretch the field, make the tough catch and now a guy in D.A. that can score in the redzone.
If marshall/boldin hits the market go for it. I like the guys we have and do not forget about olsen and forte as well
my point exactly
what mas marshall? Like a 4th or 5th rounder? Someone should do the research for me…
Makin' Copies
3rd rounder.
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Lol thanks.
Which proves the point that cutler helped him alot..And then Royal was an allstar when Cutler was there…What did he do this year?
Makin' Copies
DUDE!
He was a fourth rounder. Stop letting people tell you what to believe. Learn for yourself!
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad
the effort wasn’t a complete loss. So, thank you.
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
i do what i want
or what other people tell me to do.
wait
what am i supposed to say next?
Makin' Copies
Hahaha.
Priceless.
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I see your point
Except, Marshall had about as comparably good a year this year as the last. And that was with Orton throwing to him. So whatever positive effect Cutler had on him seems to be permanent, because he’s still a #1 WR.
Royal, on the other hand, had a pretty crappy year. So that might just be the Cutler effect in action.
Marshall makes sence
If you can get him. I always wantted Boldin but with his recent injury trend, i’m not sold anymore. That being said, #1 WR is down the list. Our top 3 needs:
1.) Safty (without one our Def will not improve enough)
2.) oline help (a guard & tackle, good ol #57 is done, Beekman to Center, Pace out, & Frank O. out while bying time for Garza’s exit and trying out Beekman.
3.) a RB who is a good rusher(Matts avg at rushing really good at blocking and catching)
It's nice to dream about Marshall, but if the Broncos were to trade him the Bears have nothing to trade for him.
Even if they did, if it comes to a bidding war the Bears won’t get involved.
How is WR down the list ?
And then you have RB above it ? Heard of Matt Forte ? Kalihl Bell, Kevin Jones ?
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
the Bears have one of/if not the worst receiving corps in the NFL
So NO I am not thrilled, especially when JA says he is happy with our “nucleus”.
While it is true that we have greater needs than WR, getting Brandon Marshall would compensate for those other glaring weaknesses. If he is FA, that is… i dunno wtf we’d have to offer in a trade or if it would be worth it.
I’d be fine with it if we don’t get a WR this offseason because we got a Safety (Kam Chancellor), OLineman, and/or a 2nd RB (Toby Gerhart)… it is the likely possibility that we focus on improving the DLine and neglect our glaring weaknesses that scares me.
You're out of your mind...
If you seriously think we’ve got the worst WR corps in the NFL, you need to get your head examined.
We have one of the least experienced WR groups in the league, that I’ll give you. However, to disparage the talent that is developing there is not only wrong, it definitely shows a prejudged notion of the WR must be terrible, because we didn’t go get a FA.
The only thing I’d actually like to do in this off-season is to cut Rashied, and bring back Rideau as the 5th WR. That’s it. Everything else needs to be focused on getting a safety and an offensive line.
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Agreed
Except for getting rid of Davis to pick up Rideau. We have a big enough logjam at the receiver position already. I think Rashied is better served in the special teams role than Rideau would be.
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I just think Rideau is the younger cat, with more upside...
I’d be fine with Peterman getting upgraded too, but think Rideau would fill in better in an emergency role than Peterman at this point.
Rashied is just getting up there in years, and is getting paid a decent sum of money to be a special teams only guy with no WR upside. Rideau or Peterman could at least use the opportunity to develop some, while Peterman already has the makings of a ST ace, and I’m pretty sure Rideau could get the hang of it.
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I don't disagree.
I just don’t want to play around with our Special teams too much. Peterman is intriguing though as a 5th or 6th receiver.
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by David Taylor on Jan 26, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Comments like these
I’d be fine with Peterman getting upgraded too
over Rashied
that’s so asinine I feel embarassed for you.
Do you honestly believe that Peterman would help the team more than Rashied? Honestly
you degrade No It All for saying we have the worst WR corps in the NFL (I don’t think we do) but at least he tries to explain his viewpoints and gives examples.
So tell me Sklz what has Peterman shown you that makes you think he is so good?
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Peterman was known for being a special teams standout throughout college...
And came into the draft known by most scouts as a special teams ace, he also ran a 4.45-4.47 forty time, and a pretty good cone drill.
This also isn’t mentioning that he’s a full three or four inches taller than Davis depending on who you ask.
So please, you tell me Johnny, what does Rashied offer us as the number 5 receiver that Peterman doesn’t?
Pros for Peterman:
1. He actually has the ability to get better at the WR position, and is a full seven years younger than Davis.
2. He’s an extremely good ST player, which offsets the loss of Davis since that’s exclusively what he’s being used for at this point.
3. He’d make a bare minimum salary, making him a better deal than Davis as well.
4. Being 6ft, he’s a taller target so if he does develop somewhat as a wide receiver he could make a nice addition to our goal line package.
Whereas the absolutely only pro that Davis has is more NFL experience. Would I feel a bit better about Davis being on the field as a WR, at this point in the year? Sure. That could easily change with a half decent pre season/camp out of Peterman because I don’t really think much of Davis in the first place.
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1. He actually has the ability to get better at the WR position, and is a full seven years younger than Davis.
he has the ability to get better? yeah that’s why he’s on the practice squad. Peterman isn’t even close in terms of skills.
2. He’s an extremely good ST player, which offsets the loss of Davis since that’s exclusively what he’s being used for at this point.
Peterman is somewhat quick, but he’s known for being a bad tackler. Davis knows the special teams inside and out, he’s used in a variety of ways, mainly as the right side gunner during punts, a position which he excelled at throughout the season. Davis has proven himself on the pro level on ST this past year, Peterman didn’t even look that good during preseason.
3. He’d make a bare minimum salary, making him a better deal than Davis as well.
Davis makes like 1.7 Mil a year, every year the bears are way under the salary cap, are you a McCaskey where all you care about is nickels and dimes son?!
4. Being 6ft, he’s a taller target so if he does develop somewhat as a wide receiver he could make a nice addition to our goal line package.
Peterman is actually 6’1’’ and Davis is 5’9’’
but if you think the Bears would use him as a specialist in a Goal Line situation I’d ask you why? DA 6’2’’ is leagues better, Bennett makes tough catches, Greg Olsen, and Kellen Davis 6’7’’.
I could go on and on but I think you get the idea.
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Jan 26, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes...
He has the ability to get better, because he’s not 30 years old. It doesn’t matter what you think of his current skill level, he has more upside than Davis because Davis is already past his peak.
Peterman started all four years on ST at Northwestern, and was voted as second team Big Ten partially because of his excellent special teams play. We can quibble about where his specific ups and downs are, but he was a very good ST player in college, and it’s silly to think that someone who already is good at ST wouldn’t get better under Toub. He’s turned people that knew literally nothing about it and never saw it before into quality contributers in two years.
Considering I think Peterman would be slated to make like 300k, yeah, that’s 1.4 million that could be better spent elsewhere. Whether or not the McCaskey’s would spend it is an entirely different question, but it doesn’t make sense to overpay for less.
Peterman might actually be 6,1, I’ve seen him listed as six foot even in a lot of places too. So, I’m not going to jump on a ledge and say he definitely is 6ft 1, but needless to say, either way he’s 3 in taller than Davis.
I’m not saying they’d absolutely have to use him in goal line formations, but he’d actually have a use if he developed, even as the number 6 receiver, and that’s what we’re talking about here, because I had completely forgot about Igleasis who is going to be looking for more PT too. As the sixth receiver on the depth chart you’re there for emergencies and ST and a bit of developmental stuff in practice. That’s about it. If Davis was someone I wanted our WR learning anything from, I’d support him over Peterman, but he isn’t, so I don’t.
There is just infinitely more value in a young cheap guy with a bit of upside who is already a good STer, than a 30 year old slot receiver with questionable hands who is also a good STer, but makes 5x the money.
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by Jacob Hayes on Jan 27, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Name the receiver on our team who starts for another team
yup that’s what i thought. but go ahead tell me more how good our receivers are…
talent that is developing does not a good receiving corps make.
All four would start for the 49ers, Browns, Raiders, Panthers, etc, etc
The problem is you’re trying to match it up one versus one, yeah, none of them are currently at the same level as the best WR on the other team, whereas except for maybe four or five teams any of our top four are better than their number 2.
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put the crack pipe down
our top four may be better than the #2 on the WORST 5 teams, not better than the #2 on all but 4-5 teams… you have simply inversed reality.
RE 49ers: their #2 WR is Michael Crabtree, so… wtf are u talking about?
Seriously people fiction can be fun, but I find the reference section to be a little more enlightening.
If only there was a separate hall of fame for 7-9 teams.
I would, but you're hogging it...
If you’re calling Crabtree their #2 then who in gods name are you calling their #1 WR?
Did you forget that Davis was their TE?
Hester/Bennett/Knox/DA would all start over the fearsome squad of an ancient Issac Bruce, Battle, Morgan, or Hill.
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did you forget that an injured Forte had more catches than all Bears WRs except Hester (#23 and #22 both had 57 catches)
Yup our injured RB had greater than or equal the # of catches of ANY WR on the team.
Matt Forte was our best WR last year and that has not changed. Sure Olsen had more catches but Jay threw to him on what seemed like every play
But keep telling me more how the Bears WRs are good…. It helps me realize why guys like JA and Ted Phillips have been able to stay around.
you do not seriously think Earl ‘Red Shirt’ Bennett gets the nod over Isaac Bruce or Josh Morgan
Considering he played better than both of them...
in his first year starting? Yes.
As far as your "I’m completely wrong, so let me throw out a random factoid " goes, wow, that’s strange because the same thing is true for Frank Gore.
That’s okay though, continue spouting random bullshit. The difference between yours and mine, is that mine is correct and supported by the stat lines and yours isn’t.
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by Jacob Hayes on Jan 26, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Devin Hester is not a wide receiver.
He can’t play the position. The blocking, the routes, the hot read – he just told the whole world he’s not a receiver ! Earl Bennett is a Joe. Right now, Knox is fast but that’s it. We have one worthy receiver who can go up and get a jump ball. Go get Rideau …
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Browns, Seahawks, Raiders, Panthers(minus Steve Smith), Giants, etc etc. And if you don’t believe me go look up the numbers of those corps then look up ours. We had 3 guys with 50 catches. Hester was on pace for 70c’s and 1000 yds. Knox was a 5th round rookie and had 50 catches. If DA would have played the whole year and kept the average he had going the last 4 games he would have had 90 catches and 1100 yards. So just eat a nice steamy plate of stfu and jump on the vikings bandwagon
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the idea that we have a good wr corps is based on nothing but delusion and optimism
stats are not the end all, but it is clear that you have no clue what you are talking about. in fact had you looked at the stats yourself you would realize that you are in fact full of it.
Browns: Josh Cribbs and Brian Robiskie (talent wise) >. eh maybe
Seahhawks: TJ Housh and Nate Burleson (LMFAO) >
Raiders: DHB and Louis Murphy (talent wise) >. eh maybe.
Panthers: Steve Smith and Moose (LMFAO again) >
Giants: Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks (LOOK UP THE STATS as I LMFAO, again, hypocrite) >
Maybe the Bears WRs are better than the Browns and Raiders, but both those groups have more promising young talent than us…
Do the Bears WRs look promising? Yeah.
Have they proven to be a barely competent group on a consistent basis? NO!!
Until they are actually umm i dunno…. good in real life then they in fact are not good.
Sure the OLine is bad but that is no excuse for breaking off routes and dropping catchable balls.
DA looked good at the end and Knox had a good year but are by no means good enough to justify not trying to upgrade the position.
Jim Jones has some koolaid for you.
Moose is a washed up veteran in the twilight of his career.
Please, tell me you want to build around Moose, please.
DHB is going to be one of the biggest busts in the history of the league. He got less than 10 catches the entire damned year, and barely broke 100 yards.
Cribbs has shown orders of magnitude less than Hester as a WR, and Robiskie showed very little the entire year.
Burleson is a guy that is always at the cusp of being great, but gets injured and generally fails to breakthrough and it’s been that way for years, upon years, upon years. Neither Housh or Burleson broke a thousand yards this year, and in fact had fairly comparable years to Hester and Bennett of all people.
Do you want to keep going?
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Not a problem.
He wants to hate on something, and young WR are an easy target. They are a dime a dozen over on CB forums.
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WTF are you talking about ?
Devin Hester is a train wreck. Robiskie was a rookie – what was Hester like as a rookie receiver ? Lazy and doesn’t know his playbook or hot reads ….. watch this, it’s painful !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Jiv_MawMA
Peterman looks interesting though ….
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats!!!!!!!! You have set the record for posting this link to "prove" that Devin Hester sucks.
And than you say Peterman looks interesting, cmon get a grip.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
First year with Cutler and the wrinkles of unfamiliarity
are MUCH less of a detriment than having Derek Anderson, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Moore, or Matt Hasselbeck as the QB. So the 1st year with Cutler argument holds no water in this instance.
seriously, step your game up peoples.
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Dude, you’re beginning to believe your username. Stop it. Remember what Bertrand Russell said.
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The Giants ? The Seahawks ? The Browns ?
Child please. Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Domenik Hixon, Ramses Barden (6’6) – we have better receivers than the Giants ? I don’t think so …..
The Seahawks have Housh, Burleson, Deion Branch.
The Browns Have Jurevicius, Mohammed Massaquoi, Brian Robiskie and Joshua Cribbs and they got rid of Braylon Edwards !
Damn, even the Raiders might have better recivers than us : Chaz Schilens, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Louis Murphy, Curry ….
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Antonio Bryant and Michael Clayton would be instant starters on the Bears
What F’ing team have you been watching.
Aromashadu should be their #1 WR.
Hester and Knox, used in various situations out of the slot and deep threat at any given time. Bennett = possession receiver. Still waiting to see what Iglesias can do. I think when he gets his chance, he will be better than we thought. I like who we have with our WR corps. They are young, talented, and will get better and better imo.
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by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 26, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions
to answer the question asked...
“No,” I am not fully comfortable if we head into next season with the same top four. That being said, I think there are other needs on this team that are a higher priority than WR.
I am not comfortable
1. Devin Aromashadu is probably not a number 1 WR. If he was, the Colts (probably the best talent evaluators in the NFL) wouldn’t have brought in 2 new WRs this year and let DA walk. Further, he had his best game against Antoine Winfield, who was playing with a hurt foot and probably shouldn’t have been in the game. We won’t know if he’s good until teams are game-planning for him.
2. Hester is a bad WR. He just is. He put up ok numbers, but he doesn’t run good routes, he doesn’t have good hands, he doens’t make plays for the ball, and he’s too dumb to make sight adjustments at the NFL level. He has put up ok numbers, but that’s just because he was being force fed the ball. A real NFL WR would have doubled those numbers with the kind of looks he was getting.
3. I kind of like Earl Bennett. He seemed fearless and made the tough catches. He doesn’t have the speed to be elite, but could be a nice complementary WR.
4. Johnny Knox was a nice surprise, but he’s also a number 3/4 kind of guy. He’s not the guy you build around, he’s a guy that could make a big play if the other guys are being covered. Kind of like how Brandon Stokely was when he played for the Colts.
This team still needs a number 1. They aren’t going to get that guy this year, however. Angelo is either dumb or egotistical enough to think that “his guys” will keep improving and they can focus their attention elsewhere.
DEJESUS!!!
just found this
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/2012014,bears-coach-positions-26.article
If you live in Chicago you are a bears fan, if you move from chicago you stay a bears fan, if you move to chicago you will be a bears fan.
Get some O-line/D-line/secondary instead!
If so, I am content with Double Devin, Earl and Knox.
I said "Yes" because
We should be more worried about our Safeties, The OL, RB/FB, and Coaching first. Our SS/FS suck pretty much. The OL showed promise in the end, but Idk if I trust that to hold 16+ weeks next season. Forte might not be that big of an issue being that he has come out and said that he waqs playing injured, and if the OL comes around, he may still have potential. The Coaching needs to be figured out though. With the Talent that our current Core do have potential for, Good coaches could turn them into a great core.
Why do i keep hearing we have notihng to trade for marshall..??
Why not trade briggs or next yrs 1st round pick for marshall.Theres other ways of getting him also.i think were deep a lb next yr anyways..i wouldnt even mind giving matt jones a shot u can get him cheap..!!…
why would you trade
briggs a guy who makes the pro bowl EVERY year. for marshall? Marshall got benched for being a whiney baby. why would you trade one of your best players and leaders for a whiney punk who will demand the majority of balls thrown his way?
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Eh, Marshall really isn't a locker room cancer...
He’s just an idiot. He was going into a contract year, the coach just got rid of his awesome QB for Kyle Orton, and kind of snubbed him at the same time.
With Marshall’s history of boneheaded moves, it wasn’t a real surprise he acted out like he did. I’d still be willing to give someone from a deep position, like LB, and one of our WR for Marshall, but that’s about it. He’d love love to be re-united, and I wouldn’t mind seeing it, but he brings too many issues to be a solves all.
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Trading Briggs?????
Um how about no????It’s kind of hard to judge talent with Jay Cutler,scrambling for his life on every play.Then there’s Ron Turner the guy who couldn’t call a unpredictable play if his life depended on it ! I would bring in a experienced FA and have are WR’s core learn from him. Judging the WR talent we have now I would say they have plenty of potential with all things considered.
So here's my take...
1. I would love to see Hester continue to get work at WR. He, along with Knox, needs to be in the slot for the most part, only occasionally lined up outside or on the LOS. An able #3/ possession guy is Bennett. DA should be a primary target; call him a #1 if you will and Knox/Hester as your #2 and #2a. Hester should also get worked in as the wildcat QB and other plays designed to get him moving forward and not laterally; i.e. in the shotgun.
If the o-line and running game can be upgraded to say top 10 or 15, then these WRs are probably good enough. I’d like to see what Iglesias has and a bigger body to replace Davis wouldn’t hurt either.
or
2. Make the big move and get Marshall, Boldin, Jackson, or Floyd (in that order). Line up that guy with DA, Knox, and Bennett; Iglesias and (insert player name here) can develop behind these guys and provide depth. Trade Hester for some draft picks or a quality upgrade at DT or DE or OG. Knox and Hester are effectively the same player, and Knox is younger and has played WR since college, so it makes sense to keep him.
All in all I could see adding a big name WR and getting more out of all the current guys and possibly help out the run game. IMO, having Cutler and lacking a premier WR is a recipe for disaster. Of course, choosing a new OC is becoming more vital by the hour. Martz is NOT a good fit and if he is hired, the offense will ultimately suffer, even if it has early success.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
We just need a big body
that will fight for the ball. I’m not saying DA isn’t that guy but i haven’t seen it(and i have watched his college ball), he is good but he is more like a tall version of hester and knox. I want that big strong wr that will fight for the ball if it is just thrown up. Someone like Marshall, Irvin, johnson(calvin), Fitz, you know what i mean. unfortunatly those guys are hard to come by.
Move Aromashodu to the #1 spot
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