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Chicago continues the agonizing coordinators search…

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We are a frustrated fan base.  There is no denying that.  Even if you're pro Lovie, or pro Angelo, or pro Phillips (is anyone pro Phillips?), the frustration is nearing a boiling point.  With the latest rumors of Mike Tice and Rod Marinelli getting a bump to offensive and defensive coordinators respectively, I think we're teetering on the edge of a Bears breakdown.  If the aforementioned promotions take place the Bears franchise will have officially jumped the shark.  And the only thing that would save it would be the sale of the team, followed by a complete overhaul of everything.  Right now the Bears are a laughing stock, and the sad thing is, they've brought it all on themselves.

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Last week I looked at the Bears coaching search in a more positive light.  The moves they were making in their search were in tune with what needed to be done.  The fact is they were getting ripped for things that were either out of their control or getting ripped for some pointless and petty reasons.  Let's be honest, this regime has made enough missteps along the way, is it really necessary to fault them for missing out on Jeremy Bates, considering the circumstances of his boss being hired to coach in Seattle?  As I was saying... Some may think that last week I looked at the coaching search through navy and orange colored glasses, but this time the gloves are off.  I may not be as chronologically correct as I'd like to be, but aggravation has a way of opening the flood gates to a negative rant.

1)  This flirtation with Mike Martz came to a head with his recent announcement that he was tired of the ‘will he or won't he' talk about him being hired as O.C.  He was sick of it?  Even though he wouldn't go as far as saying he'd rule out a job with the team, he did say he wanted to move on from the speculation.  Apparently the Bears did reach out to Martz at some point, but there was no official interview.  But with his name being floated around Chicago even before Ron Turner was fired, it makes the Bears look like they are keeping him at a distance without ever making a decision one way or the other.

The Bears should have come clean about Martz from Day 1.  Issued a statement about their situation with him, either confirming their interest or saying he's not a candidate.  All the speculation paints the Bears as inconsiderate to Martz.  Martz has even become a bit of a sympathetic figure in all this, just dangling in the wind waiting and waiting...

2)  Why come public with their offer to Rod Marinelli about taking over as defensive coordinator?  The point of that was...?  You look as if you were jilted by your own employee.  It's OK to keep some stuff in house.  And if by chance it was just a rumor, why not address it and shoot it down?

3)  Apparently Marvin Lewis and the Bengals gave Lovie Smith one week after interviewing their QB coach, Ken Zampese, to make a decision in regards to the Bears O.C. job.  If Chicago knew of the deadline (and why wouldn't they) then why interview him when they did?  Were they expecting to be blown away and make the guy an offer within the 1 week timeline?

They should have done one of two things.   A)  With only 1 week available to make a decision after speaking with Zampese, they should have waited and interviewed him later in the coaching search, or B) If after they interviewed him they realized that he wasn't going to receive an offer (which appears to be the case), they should have publicly thanked him for a great interview, and revealed that he was not going to be hired.  By waiting, only to have Marvin Lewis come out and say essentially, "times up", it makes the Bears (once again), look like they missed out on a chance to hire someone.

4)  So Rod Chudzinski decided he'd rather stay in San Diego instead of relocating to Chicago to run the Bears offense.  OK, no problem.  But did he really have to make that announcement before the Bears opened up about the situation.  My guess is the Bears didn't make him an offer, which is fine.  But for crying out loud, if he didn't impress enough to warrant an offer getting to the table, then let it be know that you liked Chud, but were still keeping your options open 'til after the Super Bowl, or something to that extent.  As it is it's another coach telling you thanks, but no thanks.

5)  I don't really fault the Bears in missing out on Hue Jackson.  He was interested then had a change of heart after scheduling his interview.  The man wanted to work with a friend in Tom Cable, and work back home in California. 

But what does it say about the McCaskey clan that someone would rather work in the topsy turvy world of Al Freaking Davis?

In hindsight, the Bears should have scrapped the entire thing. I understood keeping Lovie on, but with as idiotic as they've looked the last few weeks you have to wonder what the hell is going on.  Rumors of a Bill Cowher under the table deal are circulating, and if that's the case the Bears brass are just plain dumb.  If there is mutual interest a deal should have been made, Lovie's contract be damned.

I've written about perception vs. reality before.  The truth is that most everyone will believe in the perception of the circumstances regardless of any facts that are out there.  It's human nature.  Do the Bears have a public relations staff working to quell some of the false reports and/or rumors out there?  Is there a PR staff offering up advice on how to best approach things through the media?  Is there anyone in the Bears employ trying to help change the perception of what's going on? 

Whether it's all B.S. or not, they need to do a better job of spinning these situations.  Even if the guys they eventually hire for coordinators are their top choices, it'll look like they had to settle for the consolation prize.  Again.

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Recently, Pitt offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti Jr. emerged as a candidate for the Bears. And now, he says he’s not looking to leave the school after only one season.

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by Mike Mueller on Jan 29, 2010 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

I wish that picture had force lightning shooting out of Davis' hand.

Smudgers, make it happen.

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by Kev H on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

WCG is the best PR staff the Bears have right now

..as for Bigfoot Phillips, the McCaskeys are behind him and that’s all that matters right now.
Not saying its good, just is.

"I am not an animal!" - Merrick

by Maelvampyre on Jan 29, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

The problem is....

No one wants to work for a lame duck HC and then add the possible lock-out next year, so the owner probably won’t offer more than a one year deal.

Would you want to come work for someone that you know is going to get fired and top that the company will only hire you for one year? I guess if your unemployed it would be a good deal but all the people that have interviewed currently have a job or another offer on the table.

Get ready for the “Tice and Marinelli Show” with guest star Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo. On Sundays this fall (because let’s face it nobody is going to ‘flex’ the Bears to Sunday night and no way MNF picks a Bears game).

That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.

by Ditkavsworld

by gaclaudy on Jan 29, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

"lame duck"

now you’re just trying to set him off, aren’t you? ;)

and this…

nobody is going to ‘flex’ the Bears to Sunday night

…is not a bad thing, judging from past experiences!

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by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

good point,

more of a lucky break than a bad one.

by Fridge72 on Jan 29, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

lame duck

I’ve said my part and am at peace with it…

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

come on...

you know you twitch a little every time you see it.

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by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

The brass

will probably state that it was their plan all along. This is disgusting, and I will not take next season seriously if it transpires this way.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

In regards to the photo caption

It’s not really that Al Davis supplies a more stable work environment. It’s more, if you are going to work in an unstable environment, it might as well be one that is exciting and getting media attention.

Besides as maligned as Al Davis is now, he once was great. Can any of the McCaskeys claim to have once put together a football dynasty?

by Fridge72 on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Also

Davis likes to promoe from within. Which would be a good thing for a neew OC.

by Jhitt81 on Jan 29, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

One Plausable Explanation

The guy they really want coaches for the either the Colts or the Saints?

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jan 29, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

That could be the case

but someone should have spun that out by now, they just look terrible in this search

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I like your train of thought here,

Maybe before management fired Ron Turner, they should have fired their PR manager.

by Fridge72 on Jan 29, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if the

extent of the Bears PR management is just Larry Mayer or if he has a PR boss. Seems like he is great to read for getting insight into Bears intentions, though he is obviously their biggest fan boy. They need somebody who controls what info comes out and when.

by Fridge72 on Jan 29, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe their trying to get a rise out of the fans...

like they did with the Jay Cutler trade talk. Nobody expected the Bears to go out and get Cutler, but then it happened… we all kissed Angelo’s @$$ and apologized for all his shortcomings. Maybe that’s what they’re doing here, so we as fans feel greatful for the hire and should never doubt them. Just a thought .

by Da Sassage on Jan 29, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Won't help

them “land” one of the offensive coaches from these teams. Christensen, Malone, and any other will probably just snub them like the rest.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Hub on the score a day ago

he was told 2 weeks ago that hue jackson would be the next HC of oak either this year or next…..They had an understanding and thats why he chose raiders over Bears….

His NFL “insiders” have been snickering at the Bears since 2007 telling him that the Bears pretty much stink and are the true laughing stock of the NFL….Not oak, stl, etc….

Why fire ron turner if you did not have a short list ready to go and hire someone quickly…

ron turner was nothing but a scape goat for the season and a sacrificial lamb…The Bears (ie Angelo and Lovie) think that they are smarter than everyone else and thought the OC search would work itself out. It did not and now people are laughing at them….

What they are spinning is not true and they can not get anyone to take the job and thus the Bears are a joke….

The McCaskeys will not change plans now and will stick with what they have because if they do fire everyone thats 11-20 mill over the next few years. McCaskeys are not known to do that….

clyde christensen or not any sait coach will not become the OC of the Bears and they are dreaming as he is the OC in waiting in indy and why leave a secure winning team with payton manning to come to the losing joke of a team with Cutler…..

Angelo is adamant that they can win with the roster they currently have so they will be no major changes or roster moves from Angelo….

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Just to note I think it was pretty obvious that “hub” is enjoying this and is HOPING/PRAYING everyone gets fired….Pretty much nothing but venom and jokes from “hub” on this….Though I guess one can not really blame him when he was fired by Angelo or who ever….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Turner

was to blame for all their woes, but it wasn’t his fault Jay lost three games by himself, or that the O-line was terrible earlier in the year, or that the defense couldn’t stop anyone in the redzone or on 3rd downs.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

O-line

was terrible for about 12-13 games. It’s not just earlier

by T.Moore on Jan 29, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Who's fault was that?

Angelo for insisting to play a natural LT at RT, or Turner? How about moving another player in Omi to LG, which isn’t his natural position either. Who signed Pace? Oh, that’s right, it was Angelo and not Turner. He was set up to fail.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

according to “insiders” or what have you during the season turner and hiestad were against having a “grenn player or a rook” starting on their offensive line….They were concerned that Williams might not be ready….

Heck you even had hiestead say a couple of years ago that he did not like starting rookies on the offensive line because they make mistakes or something along those lines….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Now they can say

it doesn’t really matter if you’re a rookie or not, mistakes can happen to anyone.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Lester...

you are always rational; even if you are a bit of a homer!(not unlike the rest of us) Nonetheless, you are right on with this post. ANY credibility the Bear’s FO might have had is slowly slipping away. It begs the question about what I believe should be the BOLD move that almost needs to be made. Use whatever term is appropriate, but Lovie is not long for the Chicago Bears. Whether he stays for 1 or 2 years, he’s going to have to engineer a sizable miracle to have any credibility at all. Thus, like you intimate, the Bears may actually be better served just firing Lovie outright now and go ahead and bring in a new regime altogether.
I actually have a third scenario that may play out. JA and Phillips may give Lovie a VERY short leash next season as a stalling tactic to hold on until toward the middle/end of the season. This gives the Bears FO time to look at the impending lockout scenario and make coaching staff decisions at that time. They may have a tacit agreement with Cowher that he can step in mid-season which effectively gives him a free pass (honeymoon period) for a year and a half, as opposed to just one season. We’ll see.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Jan 29, 2010 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks,

I try and look at things rationally, I know it’s never as bad as it looks, and never as good as it seems…

The Bears just don’t realize what all the P.R. misteps are doing to their franchise. I agree with not addressing every rumor floating around, but with the situation the Bears are currently in, they may have to do just that.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I am very disappointed

with the way the coaching staff has been handled this off-season. The decision to retain Lovie and Angelo only made financial sense, and the Bears have embarrassed themselves with their coordinator search.

But for me personally, the most disappointing thing is not having early picks in the draft. Every year I get so into the draft, from reading about Senior Bowl reports to watching the combine on the NFL network to scouring the internet for mock drafts. This year we don’t have a pick for the first 2 days of the draft. It’s such a letdown for me.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jan 29, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Dickerson on ESPN 1000

Nothing sinister on hue jackson not taking the interview with the Bears. He had a great offer and could end up being the next HC in oak. He took a guaranteed job offer from oak instead of interviewing for a job and hoping he get it in Chicago….

Lovie liked jackson but people above him did not want to hire him without an interview first….

Cutler does not like martz offensive philosophy and thinks that maybe that Cutler may not like martz after the comments he made about him. Not on his play but about how Cutler handled the post game PC…

DC will be a harder job to fill as the DC will not be able to bring his own coaches and will essentially be a puppet to Lovie….

What DC will want to come to work for a lame duck HC….

Rogers is a legit candidate BUT he is a third banana (maybe fourth) behind HC chilly, OC bevell and perhaps favre…..

Rogers wants to become an OC but he is also interested in the Syracuse job…..

Does not think that maranilli. Thinks that Hoke should be the DC since he was a DC at FL….

The Bears will hire OC first then DC. So dont expect much news on the DC front till then…
 
After the Dickerson interview the after noon saloon mentioned a report that Cutler does not want martz as OC and if he is hired by the Bears that he will not report to any mini camps/ OTAs….John Clayton also mentioned this and that Cutler might also hold out….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

If they're going to promote within..

I’d be happier with Hoke than Marinelli as DC. Maybe Plank could take over as the DB coach.

by boondock_saint812 on Jan 29, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Pompei on the Score

Thinks fans/media want a fast hire to the OC but thinks that the Bears are playing it right and the NFL execs he talked to agreed….

Have to remember that the Bears have only interviewed 3 people now. bates went with carroll because of money and a 3 year deal instead of a 2 year deal. zampese and chud did not impress the Bears brass. Jackson took a job offer instead of a job interview with the Bears. jackson took the sure thing plus he still might be names HC when its all said and done…..

marty schottenheimer always said that fire quickly and hire slowly. Make sure you make the right hire rather than force the fit….

maully agreed and will make fun of the hire when they hire someone….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with them.

Players are on days off so they’re not really implementing the schemes anyway. Plus they are looking for someone who runs the same scheme on def and someone that runs the west coast on off. So there might be a little bit of terminology tweaks bit overall the reads and such will stay pretty close.

by Jhitt81 on Jan 29, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with taking their time...

But they need to be the ones dictating to the media. Zampese didn’t impress, then say so, Chud not a fit, then say so… By being silent it paints the Bears as missing out on some great candidate

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well a day after "Chud"

interviewed there were “reports” out on the trib and ESPN Chicago that chud did not impress “according to sources”….

Still I am all for taking their time….My problem is why only one candidate a week….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Because

a lot of their peeps out scouting college guys with all the big boy grown up guys from other NFL teams.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Jan 29, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

This constant misfiring will have an affect possible Free Agents

We know the question to why coordinator have been shunning the Bears for better jobs: Lame duck coach. But the perception this organization is displaying during the process will make potential free agents think twice about choosing the Bears over other teams. Players like T.O. will be glad to take Bear money, but forget about Taylor or Seymore.

by Soloistic on Jan 29, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

I really don't believe

there will be much free agent action, period. Likely a few notable exceptions, but I bet a lot of rosters look awfully similar when everything’s said and done.

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by Kev H on Jan 29, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Possible DC

I hear Doug Plank is out of a job at New York, lets give his credentials a look-see for a possible defensive coordinator job…

by Greg L on Jan 29, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

Probably won't happen

He has two strikes working against him- he’s not a cover2 guy, nor is he liked because he’s an ’85 Bear.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Strike three

He has no experience as a DC and not much experience as a coach period.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Jan 29, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry,

Not much experience outside the arena league.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Jan 29, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

He could be the Kurt Warner of coaches!

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh and thanks for the "jumped the shark" link.

Learn something new every day.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Jan 29, 2010 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

I knew this would happen

Like Big George, myself, and others on here have said. Lovie will now say it was all part of the plan. What a colossal joke this process has been? I don’t believe Larry Meyer or anyone else that this was a “thorough process” by the Bears. Nope, just another poorly planned and executed action by an inept franchise.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

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