Breaking: Mike Martz at Halas Hall
by Kev H on Jan 29, 2010 2:50 PM CST
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Well, here's something pretty much every member of this site saw coming. Raise your hand if you're surprised. This goes along with everything we both know about Smith's hiring tendencies, and our own gut feeling.
Chicagobears.com is reporting that Mike Martz is interviewing at Halas Hall right now.
Veteran NFL coach Mike Martz arrived at Halas Hall Friday afternoon to interview for the Bears’ offensive coordinator position.
Martz, 58, worked with Bears coach Lovie Smith in St. Louis, operating an explosive Rams offense that was dubbed “The Greatest Show on Turf.” The unit featured quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Marshall Faulk, and wide receivers Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt.
Sean Jensen of the Sun-Times is reporting the same, and says:
Martz had spoken to Bears head coach Lovie Smith early in the process, but he finally got an interview today. Minnesota Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Rogers is believed to have made a strong impression on the Bears during an interview Thursday, and he or Martz could compel the Bears not to wait for any assistants on the two Super Bowl teams.
Could the thing so many of us dread really be on it's way towards happening? If he's actually in and interviewing, it's closer than many of us realized. Alternatively, it could be them deciding between Rogers and what many have perceived to be their fallback option.
Also, some Kenny Kevin Rogers news after the jump.
Interesting that it'd come out on Friday afternoon, possibly to draw media attention away from it. (It's a known fact that you want to drop the bad news when people are less likely to see it.
If it's true and they make this hire, the backlash is sure to be swift. But will it be just?
In related news, there had been some talk that Syracuse might be an option for Kevin Rogers, in addition to his interview with the Bears yesterday. However, Jeff Dickerson writes that the option is off the table for him:
If the Chicago Bears are seriously interested in hiring Minnesota Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Rogers to be their next offensive coordinator, then another major obstacle was removed on Friday.
There had been strong speculation Rogers was considering a return to Syracuse, but the school announced Friday that head coach Doug Marrone will double as the team's offensive play-caller next season.
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so did i
I’m leaving it up though. I got a couple words to say. sometimes, a comment just can’t do justice.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Jan 29, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
No speculation on this one...
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I don't know why so many people are against the guy.
I think he’d do good things with our offensive unit, especially with Tice coaching the OL.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
It's actually not the end of the world to me.
Though our community seems to suggest that it’s the end of our Tight Ends and Quarterback, which time will tell.
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I think he's smart enough to realize
he has to use Greg Olsen in the passing game.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Martz is a very smart OC...
Hopefully he has “learned” to adapt his offense to include TE’s and an actual running game.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Jan 29, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
I was really thinking they were going to bring in Cignetti Jr.
for the interview. I am so very happy that isn’t going to happen now. That in itself made me ease up on the Martz hater bandwagon.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 30, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
How can you say he isn't smart???
Just about every football coach, player, commentator, and/or football professional has said he is extraordinarily inteligent, possibly a genius.
His fatal flaw is his lack of people skills and an ego that is about the size of Alaska.
Just because the guy is a jerk doesn’t mean that he is an idiot…it just means he’s a jerk!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Jan 30, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
was gonna say..
Yeah he’s a brilliant offensive mind, but he’s also one of the biggest egomaniacs I’ve ever seen in the sport of football..I wouldn’t be against the hire, but I would have preferred a few of our now lost options..
by Pretender85 on Jan 31, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Martz may believe he is so smart thta there is no need for him to adapt
the players will have to adapt to him and not vice versa.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 31, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I should clarify
“our community” meant Bears fans in general, not just our specific community of awesome human beings here.
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well...
My only issue is something should heve been done earlier. I think a toned down version of his O would work real good. If the Bears would get field turf, I think it’d work even better.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Our field is awful.
Our defense would be better too. Lovie and JA like speed on D. It gets neutralized on a sloppy field. Hester, Knox, and Manning get hurt in the return game too.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 29, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
I’m okay with it too.
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by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
He won't do good ............
……..because he only knows how to throw the ball . His offenses are unbalenced and predictable . Heres a Mike Martz game plan for you ……… We throw the ball and if that dosen’t work we throw the ball some more . Also we play outdoors on grass, the way football is meant to be played , his offense is an indoor offense meant to be played on field turf to take advantage of its speed .
That said IF he learns how to run a balenced offense , uses his tight end more and realizes his short comings he could be a good OC . Personally I’d prefer someone , anyone else over Mikey .
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 29, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Only knows how to pass?
You should check out some of his rushing game rankings through the years.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
What worries me is the last 3 jobs
hes had hes been fired from…..not to mention the last 3 years hes been an OC hes offenses have ranked pretty much dead last in the run…..
Just remember this….aikman stated if hes hired (which is a given now IMO) the fans will have to expect alot of turnovers/INTs and sacks 50+…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
so...
it’ll be different, how exactly?
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well more sacks.....
HA!…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
he’ll run the ball if he has good backs, he ran with Faulk and Gore
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 29, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I’ve thought all along that he would actually be ideal for this roster, Cutler, Forte and the young corps of receivers, weather and field issues aside.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Thought:
> Martz doesn’t use TE’s.
> Cutler throws every other pass to Olsen (even in triple coverage in the endzone)
Maybe, just maybe the two, together, could bring the balance and cause us to experience pure unadulterated awesomeness!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Martz offensive philosophy goes against what Lovie has been telling fans
His style of offense is a pass 1st and 2nd and run one day – Lovie wants balance – Martz isn’t about balance. The last time Martz’s offense had worked, I believe several pro bowlers were pillars behind the success of it. His scheme since becoming head coach of the Rams, has gotten several QBs killed with 5-7 seven step drops. But who else would Angelo and Smith select for this position? If they wait until the Super Bowl, the odds are they lose Martz and Roger and there’s no guarantee offensive position coaches on the Saints or Colts will give up stability for this sorry franchise.
My point Exactly .......
………. Soloistic is exactly right . We’re a running football team and that and Mike Martz are like oil and water . Martz " scheme " gets QB’s killed too !
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 29, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see us as a running team anymore
Especially when Cutler starts clicking with the rest of the offense and can get some protection like the last few games we played.
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
Funny .....
……. When we ran the ball Jay Cutlers numbers improved . Minny we ran the and Jay fianlly had what he needed , the threat of a running game . The Detroit game Forte runs for 100 + yards and yet again Cutler looked like he should have all season . The Steelers game , we ran the ball ( weather it was productive or not ) , gave Jay the threat of a running game and he lead the game winning drive . Funny all those games were wins .
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 29, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
i dont like Martz, but
Why do we have to be a running team. We are not good at the run with our current roster and I doubt we will fix that without our first 2 draft picks. The two superbowl teams aren’t running teams and look where that has gotten them.
by Ryan21 on Jan 29, 2010 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Next year is an Unofficial white flag surrender by the Bears
Nothing they have done thus far indicates a commitment to winning football games. Then add the CBA and no draft picks, we fan just need to accept the worst.
true but
they are also indoor teams and don’t have to worry about weather or field conditions. It would benefit our team to establish the run especially during the winter when the field is atrocious and any speed advantage we may have at the WR position is negated imo
I'm for it
There isn’t a more qualified coach available out there than Martz. Young, up and coming coaches don’t want the risk involved in taking the OC position cause it might be their one and only chance to be one.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Hire Martz make sense now
Obviously the Bear pants are on the ground, so Martz is the only OC they can turn to but this hire is a devastating move in the wrong direction by the Bears. At least if they could have grab Bates or some young coordinate proves he’s worth hiring. The Bears could have at least kept that guy on board when Lovie got the ax. With Martz and the complexity in his offense, this team is will fail next year. Cutler and other offensive players will have to learn another offense or two after the 2011. That will be 2 in two years, 3 for Cutler.
I'm thinking
if Martz is brought on, it will be under the condition that he revamp his scheme, or at the very least balance out the heavy passing with running and protecting the ball.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Imo, he's better than RT.
It’s either going to be great or Lovie and company will be shown the door. Win, win situation.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think that he is
way better than Ron Turner as an offensive mastermind. Only real concern, IMO, is how long it will take to implement his offense. I’ve heard that his style of Air Coryell has a tremendously large playbook and could take up to three years to fully implement. Certainly looked good when they got it right in St. Louis.
Think that Smudgers posted this before, but it is a pretty good read about Martz’ style of offense
Linky
Nice read and thanks.
I would like to see him implement a good running attack to go with it. Also, I would love to see him mix in plenty of plays with a moving pocket, Jay has proven that he can be at his best with designed plays getting him moving towards the sidelines.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I WANNA SEE MORE WR SCREENS!!!
lol..i kid i kid….
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by suckmyditka on Jan 30, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
The only issue I have is if there is a beef between him and Cutler. If he’s the guy then get him in so people can learn the new system.
by boondock_saint812 on Jan 29, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I don't want to see Cutler get pissed and leave.
took us this long to get a franchise qb, i would hate to see that ruined.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Neither do I
Like it said in the article, He operated the “The Greatest Show On Turf” and won a Super Bowl. If you ask me, It’s about time.
Yup, reading about the guys they want to bring in to interview,
I am starting to feel better about Martz coming here. I know he is not here yet, but I truly feel that is where we will end up. I really hope Lovie has enough testicular fortitude to emphasize a couple of strong points though:
1. Establish the running game and don’t abandon it.
2. And call games to Jay’s strengths.
As long as Martz sticks to those two things, I think they can be very successful.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree wholehartedly
However, that’s a big if. Lovie may pull rank and put Martz in check. That would be key. I think Martz has the knowledge to play to Cutler’s ability. Whether they get along or not is a different situation all together.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: Maybe (more than likely) Cutler needs someone to put him in check.
by CharlotteBear on Jan 30, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to see a coach put Cutler in check also.
I just hope Cutler will humble himself to heed the advice and not throw a temper tantrum. I guess someone he respects enough to take an ass chewin.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 30, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I've never said anything bad about Martz myself either...
I just look at some of the teams he has gone to and improved on their O. Look at Detroit when he was there. They started out like what 6-1 at one point before they remembered they were Detroit and collapsed. The guy knows Offense, and i can bet you bubble screens and fullback dives are not his go to plays.
Thing is, i would rather have Martz than an unproven QB coach at this point, i don’t want a experiment year next year, daddy wants him some Playoffs!
by Chitownproduct on Feb 1, 2010 2:48 AM CST up reply actions
And for Rogers...
There was rumors of him going to UVA, but that’s been squashed as well. They hired Bill Lazor as there O.C.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Bill Lazor is an awesome name.
Don’t know why, just rolls off the tongue.
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Sorta like
Max Power?
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Or
Rock Strongo and Lance Uppercut?
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Or
anybody from the Flintstones or with two first names like Brad Steve or anything that begins with “Lord” like Lord Humongous:
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Punch Rockgroin! Smoke Manmuscle!
Classic! I love MST 3000.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
One of my fav shows
easily reshaped how I watch movies for life.
Also, if the Bears made Mike Martz change his name to Smoke Manmuscle or Buff Drinklots, I guarantee public opinion would soar.
Watched it religiously in the early to mid-ninties
When nothing was on late night, it was the perfect show.
Also, if the Bears made Mike Martz change his name to Smoke Manmuscle or Buff Drinklots, I guarantee public opinion would soar.
I really think you’re onto something here. Martz would be viewed in a entirely new light. :)
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
I hear ya
Back when it was on Sci-Fi was when I watched it most, this being before the glory days of teh interwebs.
I remember they played Squirm like three or four weeks in a row, play something different, and then hit Squirm again. Drove me nuts.
As for the Martz thing, I think it would be a great PR move! Hell change the OC, DC, and head coaches names.
Can you imagine the Bears staffed by: Butch Deadlift, Fist Rockbone, and Roll Fizzlebeef?
MST3K - now available as part of the Netflix watch it now feature (and youtube)
one of my favorite lines in tv history is at 1hr 14minutes and 11 seconds in the Santa Claus episode, the entire episode is a classic…:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5684529284016066345#
Former GF
She had Netflix and asked me what I wanted to watch. Much to my surprise, since it was my first time on Netflix, I found MST3k.
We had just started going out and I was hesitant but I went for it.
“Do you know what MST3k is, cause I kinda wanna watch that.”
“Oh yeah, those annoying robots or whatever talking over the movie? I don’t like that show”
Yeah, we aren’t together anymore….
Mystery Science Theatre
kicks ass!
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 29, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I got my kids watching it...
Had a bunch on VHS, yes VHS, from back in the day. mostly Joel episodes. The one I don’t have and I’m looking to find is the movie with a young Ronnie Howard (or was it Billy Mumy? of Lost In Space) as the geeky science kid and Beau Bridges as giant teenager. The giant foam leg was classic. I’m laughing just thinking about it now!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Ah yes!
My all time favorite MST3K line:
“I’ve got a mantis in my pantis….Heheheh”….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 30, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite was...
The movie “Airport” when the grumpy old man claims the Hippy-kid stole his luggage in the security office. Once the head of security lets the kid go, he looks back at the old fart and one of the robots says, “The answer my frien is blow it out your a$$…”
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Jan 30, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Please,
Not smoke manmuscle…that sounds horrible!!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
How bout...
Killa Mckillcheese…or Thrash Packers.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather see Rogers, personally
I think Martz system is dated, it hasn’t worked great in a lot of years. His protection system leaves the QB susceptible to abuse and I don’t know how good his ego will go over in Chicago.
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
by Sam Householder on Jan 29, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions
It's not dated
not at all. Bears might not have the right players for his system, but it’s still a dominant system with the right personnel.
by Donald Driver on Jan 29, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Mr. Driver
as much pain as I’ve watched you inflict on the Bears, thank you for helping to continuously dominate my fantasy league.
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Not true.
The Coryell offense has been running for decades. It’s run very successfully in SD right now, btw.
I think that Lovie probably has Cutler in the hiring mix.
I can’t see Lovie hiring someone that his franchise qb doesn’t agree with or even dislikes. I think Lovie would have Cutler sit down with Martz before hiring him. Key word is think, I didn’t see Lovie being so enept that he would waste two timeouts on a replay either…so who knows.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Well its been "reported"
That Lovie wanted martz the minute turner was fired but “people within the organization” were against martz as the OC and told him no…..
Not to mention that Cutler is so against this hire that he supposedly threaten to skip OTAs….
Will be interesting I guess…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, I read all of that.
How accurate do you think that info is? Just speculation?
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Dunno
just stuff that Pompei, Biggs and haugh reported on the martz thing those usually have pretty reliable sources….
the Cutler thing I heard on afternoon saloon so dunno where they got it from….though john clayton confirmed that he heard the same and clayton is pretty good (even though he lost his job as #2 football insider @ ESPN to schefter)…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think it is imperative that Jay agree's with who we bring in as our OC.
I know that he isn’t the coach or an OC, but we have waited this long for a franchise qb, wouldn’t want to see that washed away in such little time. I would be pretty upset if that happened.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
then again, with this organization
should be used to disappointment.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
reported
reported that martz flew out to nashville to have a sit down with cutler.. as others have posted he will have to redorect his shemes to fit th bears ie a balanced offense.. run and pass…personally would rather have rodgers no more retreads!!
I have read about Rodgers.
I just don’t know how much you can attribute the success of Favre this season to him. I would really like to hear Favre’s take on the guy. I can’t stand Favre, but I would trust some insight from him about a qb coach.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 30, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
not a done deal yet
Would make me chuckle if Martz turned us down too.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Why was Martz fired from his last jobs?
No Smudgers, I don’t expect you to look it up for me (although giving misleading information to the lazy is very funny). It was more of a rhetorical thing. Getting fired can’t be seen as a positive thing, particularly from the Detroit Lions. When the Lions think they can do better you must be pretty bad.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
lol.
the guy did ask for it… kind of. ;)
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Jan 29, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody has been able to do anything with the Lions.
Look at their track record with coaches. Not trying to defend Martz, just looking at the example you used.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Look what happen to the Lions
after he left. Abysmal is an understatement.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
So he got fired because.....
he did great things for the Lions offense??
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I don't know what went on behind the scenes in Detroit that got him fired...
…but I do know that with him the hapless Lions suddenly had life, with John Kitna of all people leading the team to a 6-2 start. Sure they finished 7-9, but they are the Lions after all. :-) And that is 7 games better than they were without him but with the same team.
The year before he goes to the 49ers, they rank 32nd in offense. His one year there they jump to 22nd. And Frank Gore’s numbers didn’t suffer, either.
Even if his reputation is well-deserved as a hard guy to work with, there is no denying he is a very talented offensive mind. Maybe he’s the coaching version of TO. He’ll be great for the first year or so, then you start to wonder if he’s worth the overbearing personality.
You know the interesting this is that
one of the radio shows I was listening to the other day (forgot which) mentioned that marinilli and martz do not get along after marinilli fired him for not running the ball enough….Kinda of interesting if the future DC and OC are at odds…along with the QB and OC…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
A little conflict couldn't hurt, right?
Everybody has been buddy-buddy the past few years and look what that got us. Buddy Ryan hated everybody, and that turned out well. (having a full stable of Hall of Famers didn’t hurt of course). Having a bunch of yes-men on the staff has not worked at all. If a crusty old curmudgeon like Martz gets a few folks riled up, I’m ok with that.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 29, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
torry holt, issac bruce, orlando pace, kurt warner. Sounds like Martz’s system produced some HoF’ers too
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by suckmyditka on Jan 30, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
whoops
forgot Marshall Faulk =]
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by suckmyditka on Jan 30, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Martz is a great offensive coordinator and his system works, BUT
the only downside is pass protection and giving up QB sacks. A Martz system and a weak offensive line will get a QB killed. If the O-line can protect and Cutler can get rid of the ball then the Martz system would be great.
1-2-3-4-5-6-CRUNCH!
(That’s probably on a good day, mind you.)
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
Well the guys on the Score
will be thrilled if he is hired because they think this will definitely lead to a losing record…..
Given that Lovie only hires people he has ties or his buddies with I think it is pretty much a given that martz is the hire come either later today or tomorrow….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Good
Let Lovie and all his buddies fail together… and get the F out of here.
On a positive note… at least we’ll have a professional coordinator, instead of some green college coach who get outcoached by everyone on our schedule.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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let me ad...
un-friggin-believable that they made the biggest trade in modern franchise history to get a franchise QB, and they have no vision or plan to get the proper peices in place to support him and take advantage of his talent.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Let's hope we get some big boys on the OL if he comes here,
so Jay doesn’t get killed. We have to be able to run the ball no matter what. I hope Martz has learned his lesson from past experience.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 29, 2010 4:15 PM CST reply actions
One word...
Meh.
House cleaning after 2010 anyways, lets put a positive spin on the inevitable Martz year long thrill ride: Cutler should be throwing the ball….a lot. Take that how you want to.
Just to a refresher.
“He just doesn’t get it,” Martz said in September. “He just doesn’t understand that he represents a great head coach and the rest of the players on that team. Somebody needs to talk to him.”
Can someone post a link to
Cutler saying if they hire Martz he will skip OTS’s?
I cant find one
this was something that was reported as a rumor on ESPN 1000 radio as a reason why martz had not been brought in to interview…….There no other report about it…at least not in writing that I can find….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Live in Oklahoma
Listen to the Chicago sports radio via the internets when I have time and sometimes at work…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
"Alternatively, it could be them deciding between Rogers and what many have perceived to be their fallback option." .....
It is the Bears and there fall guy!
I'm not suprised by this, disapointed, but not suprised
it just makes me feel like this whole “We’re going to find the right guy for this position” seem like a joke imo. They went thru the motions and said what we wanted to hear then they said “you know I think THIS is the guy for us” when they may have had him in mind from the beginning. Maybe I’m wrong but thats how I feel.
One good thing about Martz maybe coming here
Is maybe he looks at Devin Hester and says “You know what? You’re going to be my 3rd down back and 4th WR and I’m going to use you like Reggie Bush or Percy Harvin”. Maybe then we see a weapon like Hester used to correct way and maybe we’ll have something there.
by Dils on Jan 29, 2010 6:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
+23!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Jan 29, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Can this be a sign and trade?
Sign Martz and package him and Lovie Smith for Mike Singletary? Maybe make Martz cut his hair and grow a handlebar mustache so they don’t recognize him in San Fran?
getting iron mike as bears head coach and rob ryan as dc would be like winning the lottery, big time. we would see a total revamp at soldier field and a return to something like traditional monsters of the midway nickname.
Actually Iron Mike is Ditka...Samurai Mike is Singletary's name
And check me if I’m wrong, but Ryan has run a 3-4 D everywhere he’s been in the NFL, so I don’t see why we would get him if all our personal are tailored for the Cover-2…plus he’s under contract with the Browns…
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
My pros & cons
Pros: I think Martz’s style of offense caters to the abilities of our receivers. Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Shaun McDonald somewhat mirror Hester, Bennett and Knox. Our Calvin Johnson would be Aromashodu. Please don’t get me wrong, by no means do I believe Hester & Aromashodu are in the same class as Holt & C. Johnson. My comparison is drawn from potential, physical build and ability.
I also think Martz can take Forte’s ability to catch the ball to another level!
Cons: If our offensive line cannot drastically improve in pass protection, this offense could potentially be the laughing stock of the league! Being as his offense is big on timing routes. It puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the O-line to sustain their blocks. If the O-line doesn’t do as such, we’ll be looking at more sacks and interceptions than we had this past year (barf).
The point has been made above by several of you, that the turf at Soldier Field would be a detriment to this offense. I completely agree! It’ll be tough enough for the O-line to make this offense successful (let alone having to battle the elements).
Martz has never been a TE friendly coach. Vernon Davis was arguably the best TE in the league in 09’. He was nearly invisible under Martz. Though I can appreciate some of the optimism by some of you, that Martz is too smart to let a talent like Olsen go to waste. His track record says otherwise.
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I’m against hiring Martz. I’d rather have Christensen, Zorn or maybe this Rogers guy whom I admittedly should learn more about.
But with all that said. If Martz is the guy… My glass of Martz… Will immediately go from half empty to half full. From being heavy on the cons, to heavy on the pros. I’m a Bears fan! That’s how I roll!
Based on the strong finish we had last year
Which was largely due to the improved play of our line, we may be pleasantly surprised this year. Whether it’s Martz, or anyone else coming in and leading this offense, their success will rise or fall with the play of the offensive line.
I’m trying to be positive. We still need to try to pick up a guard and/or right tackle, along with another back-up running back either through free agency or the draft.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
It also makes me optimistic
That Kreutz for majority of the games this year was playing with a bone spur in his tendon. Man I can’t even imagine how painful it is to plant your feet with a bone spur in your tendon. It makes some of those plays where he got blown up at the line kind of make more sense.
Don’t get me wrong, i am not saying that i am positive that was the only reason for his decline this year, but having a healthy Kreutz and a healthy Forte and a healthy Lach and Pisa does make me a lil more optimistic about next season. I just hope we can avoid some of those huge injuries this coming year.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 1, 2010 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
According to Pompei
martz is the “club house leader” and could be hired as soon as tonight or sunday night…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
i have no problem with martz
he’s the guy lovie always wanted.
If Martz gets hired its fine with me
As long as he and Cutler get along. We have speed recievers and as long as Cutler get some protection he should excel and use his cannon of an arm and air it out. Lovie will not let Martz be too pass friendly
Well I just read that Lovie wanted Martz "from day one" but Angelo was against it
and was hoping to land Chud from SD. But after multiple candidates rebuffed the opportunity Angelo relented and let Martz interview for the job but is “distancing himself” from Lovie. My main concern is that Martz’s scheme wont translate well in Chicago. Every where he’s been was either a dome team or a fair weather team. I just want the best candidate for the job so my team can succeed. Is that to much to ask?
Oh the above information was from NFL Mobile under News and Opinions then under More Pro Football Talk. If you click “More Rumors and News” you’ll find a couple other stories as well.
Eh, Who Cares, Martz works for one year and then everyone gets fired
and then hopefully they’ll hire Jim Harbaugh as coach after next season! Its over for Lovie and company, it was a good ride, but its time for some new blood. Lovie will go on to coach his beloved Cowboys for JJ.
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