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The "New" Bears D.C. MUST Evolve The Defense

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I'll say this once, so pay attentionEVERY TEAM IN THE NFL HAS A COVER 2 DEFENSE (and many now have the Tampa 2) IN THEIR PLAYBOOK.  First off, sorry for shouting, and secondly, that CAPTARD moment wasn't for everyone, just the stubborn bunch that constantly criticize the Bears pass defense ‘for sitting in the cover 2'.  Yes, we all know where the holes in the standard Cover 2 are, and yes, by now we all know how the Tampa 2 variation of the Cover 2 (in theory) helps take away the holes, but what a number of fans are not realizing is the Bears DO NOT (ok, that's the last of my Kayne caps moment...) sit in their Tampa 2 defense all the time.  Actually... the season they ran the Tampa 2 the most was the Super Bowl season under defensive coordinator Ron Rivera.  The reason?  The players they had in 2006 were far superior than the players they've had since.

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The scheme is sound if you have the players that can make it work, which is why they haven't run it as often, they don't have the players that can make it work.  If the defensive line is getting constant pressure, the zone defenders have less time to cover their zones.  Any NFL QB with time to find holes will.  That 3 Technique tackle collapsing the pocket coupled with a pass rushing defensive end would solve damn near most of the Bears problems.  Even though I think the Tampa 2 defense can still be an effective base defense to build a playbook around, that doesn't mean it's a be all end all.  Like I said unless you have the correct personnel to run the scheme it has problems, and it could use some tweaking.

Quick tangent...  the "new" way to defeat the Tampa 2 is to throw to a receiver, short over the middle, and many times a running back, directly where the middle linebacker would be in a normal Cover 2.  Brett Favre did this numerous time in the Monday Nighter a few weeks back.  The QB simply waits for the MLB to streak back to his deep middle Tampa 2 responsibility then he'll dump it to the back over the middle.  Again, any push up the middle would help thwart this.  OK, now back to my post...

The part of their defense that can irk me on occasion is the one gap aspect of it.  Don't get me wrong, I like the one gap attacking defense, in fact I've used it the last few years on the team I coach (we run a 5-3 and the kids are 8th graders, but you get my point).  It's a defense that requires so much discipline and the right kind of player.  If one player doesn't maintain their cap control, the defense could fail.  In theory the speed of the defensive players should be able to make up for a breakdown in gap containment (one reason the weak-side linebacker makes so many tackles), but again so much falls on the defensive line.  If the four down lineman are quick enough to penetrate and smart enough not to over-pursue, you end up with running backs having to stop and start again or cut before they want to.  If you disrupt the timing in the run game your players then can allow their natural athletic ability to take over and make plays.

It's apparent the scheme isn't going anywhere, but they need to offer up some changes to how they get into their defense.  Lovie Smith started to bring in some zone blitzing principals by dropping his defensive ends into coverage a bit more than we've been accustomed to seeing, something I briefly touched on in a post that was lost in the all the commotion of yesterday (Bears Still Mugging Up To The A Gaps, check it out!), but I'd like to see even more of this creative stuff.

They could still utilize a Tampa 2 look, but use a corner and a safety as the two deep guys while having the other safety come up and take the corners zone responsibility.  The CB dropping deep could give the illusion of a Cover 3, or the safety coming up could give the illusion of a Cover 1 or maybe even cause the QB to read man to man.  The Bears may alreadyhave some variations of this in their playbook for all I know, it just isn't touched on much by the media or during game broadcasts. 

Also, would it be so bad to rush three and drop eight once in a while?  Just to give a QB a different look and something else to think about.  Three deep with five under, or better yet, two deep with a traditional Tampa 2 look with the extra defender taking away the aforementioned short middle.  Or maybe even a two deep, four under, with your two corners playing man to man.

The point is, who ever comes in as defensive coordinator will need some fresh ideas on the Tampa 2 scheme.  He'll obviously know the shortcomings of his new team, and their strengths.  Yes, they will have some strengths.  And even if he is a Lovie "guy", he'll need to have the confidence in his knowledge of the scheme to be able to add his imprint to the defense.  Unless the Bears can plan on a healthy Brian Urlacher, a top flight free safety, a Pro Bowl caliber Tommie Harris, and a 12 sack performance from one of their defensive ends, the Tampa 2 as we know it MUST evolve.

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Actually… the season they ran the Tampa 2 the most was the Super Bowl season under defensive coordinator Ron Rivera. The reason? The players they had in 2006 were far superior than the players they’ve had since.

This statement sums up exactly why I believe Rivera is overrated. He sat back and allowed his line to get pressure while guys like Brown, Urlacher, Briggs, and Vasher made plays behind them. No longer can our defense, with their current personnel, get the job done…period.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 7, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think he's overrated

I just think he gets way to much credit for the SB defense… it was the Tampa 2 that Lovie Smith put in.

I do think that the path Rivera has been on, with experiencing so many defenses, is going to help him in the long run. He’ll get his shot some day to run a team.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

SD's defense has been average at best

With high quality talent at his disposal they’ve never been close to dominant. AJ Smith is considered one of the best GMs around, and seems to draft very well unlike someone we know.

"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.

by propheteer on Jan 7, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

And people forget that about the Tampa 2. They had the personnel. And I refuse to bite on the “scheme” wins approach some fans take. Ron Rivera was responsible for dialing up plays at the correct moment. Problem is, most fans don’t have the eye to see where speed masked the wrong call. Ironically enough, with no dominant Harris in the SB – Rivera’s defense didn’t do so hot.

by poolboy55 on Jan 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Its all about the personelle to make it work.

Mike Brown was a beast, too bad he had so many injuries. They were idiots for getting rid of Chris Harris, that guy was a beast and still is. Who knows what happened to Vaher, if you have the answere let me know. Our defensive line has had injuries and hasn’t played up to that standard since then and this past year our LB core was injured. Alot has to happen for them to get back to where they were at. The scheme can work with the right personelle and a coach that makes them work their arses off, but I still give Rivera alot of credit for how they did their SB season.

Watch me pull a hat outta this rabbit.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 7, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Vasher's Pro Bowl year started to look like a fluke

Immediately after the decline of Harris and the d-line. But like Lovie, he was able to cash in with the big contract before they figured out that he was going to turn into a bust.

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by JimmyMack on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda like we always talk about-

the front four are what make the tampa-2 go or not go. Getting a decent pass rush the first four games is what made us win those games. DAMMIT TOMMIE HARRIS! Whether it’s his injuries or his laziness, it’s killing the crux of the D.

Regardless of how many tackles our linebackers get or if Tillman gets an interception or strip, the games our D looked good were games the line was getting pressure.

by ChiLobo#23 on Jan 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

thats the case will all defenses though

pressure = success.

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by Allie on Jan 7, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

playbook shmlaybook

The roster is built for the tampa 2. And the tampa 2 (lovie and jerry) need to go, because they can no longer find the proper talent for the base of the defense and are unwilling to adjust to fit the strengths of the little talent they do have

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2010 10:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

need to go shmeed to go...

it is what it is, and it isn’t going anywhere

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

one thing that Phillips has been screaming in the interviews he has done is that Lovie meant he was sticking with a 4-3 scheme and will not go to a 3-4 scheme….That Lovie was not particularly sticking with the cover 2 scheme….I highly doubt that but I guess we will see….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Jan 7, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

Let's just hope that we can

put in a decent blitz package into the scheme, Because we may have had the worst blitz package of all time in the last 2 years..

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by tfrabotta on Jan 7, 2010 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

So what happens if the OC and DC get us to the playoffs next year?

Will they extend Lovie and JA, than the following year will Lovie fire them?

by Daseabeez on Jan 7, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

This scenario could get us into a Cowboys-Wade Phillips situation. If we make the playoffs next year and there is a lockout the year after, I’m sure Lovie, et al. will get 3-year extensions. But there will be talk of an imminent firing if we aren’t winning playoff games and making a legitimate run at the Super Bowl. In other words, we would be – at best – a mediocre, sometimes playoff team for the foreseeable future.

by byebluemonday on Jan 7, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I think if we made the playoffs

whichever coordinator seemed to be having more success and popularity would get the HC gig. I don’t see any scenario where Lovie gets another contract. He has proven that he along can’t make a successful defense, and that he doesn’t have any knowledge on how to run an offense.

If one of the coordinators turns their unit around enough to ge the team to the playoffs, it would be cheaper and more logical to give them the HC gig.

I do think that some faction of the McCaskey family is hoping the the Bears fail again this year so we can hand the team over to Bill Cowher.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jan 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

who knows

with a lockout all but assured for 2011.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I just can't, under any circumstances,

really believe there will be no football in 2011. Even when I try to look at the facts, and how bad it looks.

There will be football, by regular professional players, in 2011. There has to be.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

There will be football

Imagine how much money the owners will lose.

by boondock_saint812 on Jan 7, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

It makes no sense to have a lockout. Even a less-than-perfect deal is better than no deal at all. After a lockout the league takes a few years to recover. It’s in the best interest of everybody to sit down and figure it out.

by ChiLobo#23 on Jan 7, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel the same way

but … its not looking rosy.

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by Allie on Jan 7, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

But if there isn’t… what’ll happen with the Madden series of games?

(I jest; I’m not a big Madden player.)

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by Spongie on Jan 8, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I for one can't picture a year without football

It’s what i look forward to every year, especially if I’m in the states and can get the direct t.v. sunday ticket, which is godly.

by Chitownproduct on Jan 8, 2010 4:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight

You touched upon the most frustrating thing in your last sentence: “we know it MUST evolve”. Lovie gets labeled as “smug” and “stubborn” when the same stuff seems to happen to us over and over (e.g. opponents scoring on opening drives, blitzing linebacker gets caught up at the line, etc.). And that label is warranted, especially when you lose. But if he wants to shed it, he definitely needs to show both short term and long term evolution of his defensive schemes. I’m not asking for a switch to the 3-4, either. Just evolve and make adjustments. Progressive minds win championships.

An undercurrent in all of this is the fact that the coaches know the abilities, or lack there of, of their players. Yet, by not evolving their schemes to fit their abilities, they keep marching them out there trying to do the same things they failed at doing the previous year, week, or drive.

by byebluemonday on Jan 7, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

well said...

You need to mold your scheme around your talent… Turner not molding his offense around Cutler is what did him in

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone who plays Madden knows this

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions  

Cover two/ Tampa two is dead.

 Anyone who understands football knows that for each great defensive scheme created, an offenensive scheme is generated that solves it. The cover two is only as good as the personnel that you employ. The Bears have not had the players to play it starting with injuries in the middle of the Super Bowl season. Each season since Tommie harris (3 tech) Brian Urlacher (freak mlb) MIke Brown (big hitting, ball hawking safety) Charles Tillman and Nate Vasher (astute and physical area covering corners) have all either deteriorated in talent or left the team. I did not even mention the rest of the highly under achieving and overpaid front four(Ogunlye and Brown). The cover two is a young man’s defense. Last I checked , Lovie Smith was and will still be trying to play it as his base defense with no replacements or improvements at any of the core positions. The bears are destined for their 4th full season of being picked clean by every QB you ever and never heard of. I live in Minnnesota and have buy the NFL ticket to see all the games. with the latest news of no defensive changes (oh boy Marinelli promoted!) I can not seee how I can justify spending nearly $400 to watch another year of that putrid mess. There are so many holes, who knows what the answer is but the cover two or tampa two is not it.

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

what i would like to know is

what is the difference between one gap cover two and two gap cover two?

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by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 7, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover 2

can be run from any base defense, 4-3, 3-4, Nickle, Dime…

The gap control part of the defense usually applies more to the run stopping aspect of the defense. One gap defense is more of an attacking defense, where you ask your players each to shoot a gap to disprut the offense. The two gap defenders usually have to hold their ground an dstop anything to either side of them. The giant DT’s can do this.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Very agreed.

The 2 deep safety look is the baby blanket of most formations—always there when you want a little comfort.

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by Kev H on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

LESTER---Huge Kudos Bro. Well said.

I couldn’t have put the words together in a way that made sense like you did. Thanks and in case some may forget, The cover 2 and variations thereof have been around longer than most all of us have been watching football.

by E. T. on Jan 7, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

well said

I’m guessing the 1st ever zone defense that was put in as soon as football evolved into having 2 safeties was the cover 2

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

 That may be, but someone correct me if I am wrong. Is Tampa bay the only team that won a Super Bowl playing it ( Sapp, Brooks, Barber Etc.. all in thier prime)

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Every team that has won a SB has run some variation of the Cover 2

However, the Colts won a SB with the Tampa 2 as their base defense. And the 4 SB Steeler teams used the Cover 2 as their base defense.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

 While agree that most teams have it in their package, teams like the Bears and Tampa bay are defined buy it. I dont believe the Colts were in the package near as much as Chicago. The Colts and the the recent Steelers were predicated by exceptional line play (more timely for the Colts) and two of the best freewheeling safeties that we have seen in recent history. also the Colts got there on their superior offense not a vaunted cover two defense.

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

and there is the key...

The D-Line has to be effective… Dwight Freeney led the Colts and Mean Joe Green led those Steelers

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

It’s not the scheme that’s bad, it’s the player/scheme combination.
Without consistent and intense pressure on the opposing QB by the D line no system will work.
Great review of the whole topic Wiltfong

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by Maelvampyre on Jan 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

dungy was on that steelers team

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yep

The Tampa 2 came from those 70’s Steeler teams

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

The talent on that line of course was so awesome that any coverage scheme wouldve worked. Much like the 85 and 86 bears switching from ryans d to tobins d.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Buddy helped develop that talent beyond just the scheme

And as you say they were so good they played great even in Tobin’s scheme (which was essentially a bend-but-don’t break scheme, as opposed to Ryan’s pressure scheme).

But when it came time to the playoffs, Tobin’s defense couldn’t dominate like Buddy Ryan’s defense could.

And that’s a big reason why the Bears never won again after Buddy Ryan left. Not the only reason, but a big reason.

Otis Wilson said it best about Vince Tobin’s defense: “We didn’t like it.”

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, they have exceptional pressure and coverage

Put Bob Sanders and Dwight Freeney on the Bears right now and we’re not going to be discussing changing schemes.

by Hawkeyes on Jan 7, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been calling Bob Sanders

the new Mike Brown for a while now.

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by Kev H on Jan 7, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope they dont piss around with hiring their coordiantoors.

When we are the last ones to get deals done, never works in our favor. For example, the last three HC’s we’ve had.

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by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

I will give Lovie credit for getting us to the big dance once,

but he hasn’t been worth a shit as a coach since then. Matter of fact, the SB game is when i really started disliking him.

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by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

I think schemes would be much better understood, if...

the networks started broadcasting all live plays from the Madden-style camera behind the quarterback, looking down field. How much longer do we, as viewers, have to put up with this archaic sideways camera angle?

The Madden-style camera would let everyone see what kind of defense is being implemented on any given play. Maybe DirecTV will solve this by starting all Madden-style camera channels.

by byebluemonday on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions  

I remember either last year, or the year before,

one of the networks were using this alternate camera angle, maybe from the end zone, or from the silly sky-cam thing.

It was terrible! Sure, there should always be new ideas for things, but you gotta be able to see things! And keep in mind, not all of us have that super-fast video game eye movement stuff. :)

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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The technology is there, it’s just a matter of retro-fitting the stadiums to accommodate the cameras. If they can pick out a dime from the Goodyear blimp cam, then they can make this work. And, for the record, I don’t play Madden or any other football video game.

I’m not saying the new camera angle wouldn’t take a bit to get used to, but just imagine all the more you would see develop, live. Talk about seeing things: I would love to see how a wide receiver gets open so easily against our defenses on third and long. As it stands, all we do is watch the lines mash up and the quarterback drop back and hop around. And we wait. And when he finally throws it, we have no idea who the hell it’s going to. Is the receiver open? I have no idea. Was he open two seconds ago? We’ll have to see the replay – if there is one.

Imagine the opposite were true: for years the NFL had been broadcasting games with the Madden-style camera where you see the play develop right before you. Then they decide to go to an awkward sideways angle, where you can’t even see a hole develop for the running back. There would be an uproar.

The only thing preventing the change today is “tradition” and the fear of throwing off TV audiences for a few weeks. We would adjust, and we would get much more out of the broadcast – like knowing exactly when we were in the Tampa-2 and when we weren’t.

by byebluemonday on Jan 7, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd definitely be interested in seeing some other looks.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d like that angle on replays.

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by TrialsBass on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

nice post.

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by David Taylor on Jan 7, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

True, sometimes the analysts talk through a play from that angle and it’s vastly different to how we’re seeing it from above the sidelines.

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by Spongie on Jan 8, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Dane

I recommend you get the super-fast video game eye movement. Just last night our conversation was messing up my Call of Duty playing because I couldn’t focus on both.

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by Kev H on Jan 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Available for only $19.99 at Gamestop!

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by Just Dave on Jan 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

oh how i wish that were true...

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by Allie on Jan 7, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Hooray for CubsStats.blogspot.com !

by BWoodrum on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Your ideas are intriguing to me

and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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by Just Dave on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

But, but...

we get off the bus running, right?

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by Kev H on Jan 7, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Good jorb Dane!

I think it’s funny how a couple posters say something like “The Cover-2 is past its prime” and then, everyone is posting it over and over.

Jeebus, get some fresh ideas! C’mon! ;)

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by David Taylor on Jan 7, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

In the interest of accuracy

I never said that Cutler doesn’t respect Martz because of Martz’s comments.
For all I know Cutler may have the highest respect for Mike Martz and be dying to play for him.

I said that Martz and Mora totally ripped Jay Cutler after ONE game with the Bears, not so much for his terrible play (which would be fine) but for his ’demeanor, attitude, posture, answers . . . ’ at his press conference following the game.

Not because Cutler took no blame for his poor play. He did. They didn’t like the fact that he seemed too calm about it. Like the guy should’ve threated suicide or something.

For those who didn’t see it, Mora and Martz made complete fools out of themselves that night, something they have a history of. It’s not only what they said, it was the histrionics behind the words. They were getting so worked up I thought spit would come flying out of their mouths ala Bill Cowher. If you didn’t know better you’d have though Jay punched a teammate on the sidelines, or kicked a dog or something.

A). Doesn’t (to me) exactly sound like someone Mike Martz would want to coach.
B). I have a hard time believing that Cutler was impressed with Mike Martz after those comments.

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No one ever said you did say that.

I weren’t talking aboot you.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

YES!!

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by Ashley Czuba on Jan 7, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks HoneyBear

And in consideration of you I avoided saying that Mora & Martz said the ‘stupidist’ things I have ever heard!

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Thank you sir. :) Glad there are no hard feelings. :) I’m over it if you are.

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by Ashley Czuba on Jan 7, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I never take anything personal here.

And you were right. I pride myself on speaking proper English so I hardly ever use that word. When I do it’s just to accentuate how dumb or stupid I think whatever it is I’m talking about is.

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe the next step is figuring out

that her “YES!” was not to you. Click the “up” button.

On a side note, Adam and I were talking a while back… you could make on hell of an author on of these days, if you’d lighten up a lot.

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by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol,

I wasn’t going to tell him that my “YES!!” wasn’t to him. :]

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by Ashley Czuba on Jan 7, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

I’ve lightened up considerably IMO.

I don’t know how to use the up key but I welcomed the chance to make peace with Honey over my occasional use of the word ‘stupidist.’

Regarding Martz, since I commented on his criticism of Cutler I just wanted to be sure that people didn’t think I was speaking for Jay.

For all I (we) know Cutler doesn’t even know about those comments or doesn’t care.

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW:

It took me about three months to finally figure out the ‘reply’ key.

I don’t have the energy to go through all that again for the ‘up’ key.
Perhaps if I quit drinking I could, but I don’t envision that happening anytime soon.

by axthelm on Jan 7, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

not just you

but the whole "i’m drunk and therefore an idiot’ excuse may be the single worst thing about socializing with sports fans.

its pretty straightforward… “up” takes you up the thread to original post “reply” nests the response under the original post so that a conversation is easy to follow. and actions takes you to site options where you can flag or recommend a comment so others can know your opinion on something.

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by Allie on Jan 7, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve lightened up considerably IMO.

You have. It’s been good.

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by Spongie on Jan 8, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You don't need to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're all individuals...

Yes, we’re all individuals!
Yes, we are all different!

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by JerBear50 on Jan 8, 2010 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

So Dana what you are saying is that over the last 3 plus seasons it has not been failing miserbly by design or personnel in Chicago? Just another bandwagon guy.

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

I think the past 3 seasons are a result of a lot of things.

We know very little about what goes on in the upper echelons of our management. We don’t know how many of our coordinators decisions are based on what Lovie wanted, which was based on what Jerry wanted, which was based on what Ted wanted, and so on.

As far as the defense is concerned, we don’t have the playmakers that we did in 2006, we haven’t seen any of the lucky bounces and rolls that we saw that year, and we’ve seen 3 different people in three years calling the defensive plays.

In my opinion, we need talent, development, and consistency. The past 3 years have been because of a lot of factors, not just simple things that armchair GMs can come up with.

Bandwagon guy? LOL. Get real dude.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

So what you are saying is we can,t run the cover to successfully because we do not have the personnel to continue to run it effectively? So I guess we should “get real” and continue to run that ship into the ground. Who knows maybe after three or for more years of trying, with all new players, finally success dude!

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

No, you weren't paying attention.

What I was trying to say the whole time was:

Please use the reply button.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

every team runs the Cover 2

Keeping the Tampa 2 as your base defense will require the coaches to evolve their looks, sets, and get creative with what other stuff they add along side it.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

 My point is with countless holes to fill on defense, why would you want to keep as your base defense. It has proven to be not a good defense to run if you can not pass rush (we can,t) for starters.

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

The reply button is right above ^^^ this.

It says “reply”, just to the left of “actions”.

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Cover two

There’s your reply, answer the question.

by sydp on Jan 7, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess is...

with the free agent pool smaller this offseason than in years past (with the labor troubles in the NFL) and with the Bears not holding a 1st or 2nd round draft pick in 2010, making a scheme change would be damn near impossible. The Packers went to a 3-4 in ’09 but drafted players to fit the new scheme.

The Bears are full of quick 1 gap defensive linemen. Staying with the same base defense (and EVOLVING it) is the best way to procede.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, and add to that

the coaches we have all know the defense, the players know it, and it can work… the key word, as it keeps getting repeated, is evolving.

And honestly, having a year under Marinelli’s belt will be a good thing… let him weed out who he wants in the front, plus the year under Roach’s and Jamar’s belts, plus a year of rest for Urlacher’s body… the front 7 should be good to go.

Now, if we could just get the other folks figured out…

You are all gentlemen (and ladies) and good judges of cheap whiskey.

by Dane Noble on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh, I have one big question for you...

Since in the Tampa 2 the S are covering the deep ball, is there any fathomable reason that our corners play so far off of the receivers?

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by Jacob Hayes on Jan 7, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

That is something I can't stand!

But, if I had to guess… I’d say they don’t trust the safeties to be in the right spot, only a guess however.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 7, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

my thoughts as well

That plus the enormous amount of blitzing theyve done in the last two years.

In a straight cover 2. The cb responsibility is to redirect the wr off his route at the los and funnel him toward the zone coverage

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by SackMan on Jan 7, 2010 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

One Comment I dont want to hear in a Press Conference next year.

""It goes without saying that we weren’t ready to play the football game this past week". I am pretty sure we heard this a few times. To not have a team ready for a football game is unacceptable. If I owned a team and my HC said that I would have to say that I would be irate. It is your job for those 17 weeks of the regular season to have your team ready. I mean you should have just said “We didn’t feel like playing hard this week”. Come on man.

by jheun on Jan 7, 2010 5:46 PM CST reply actions  

Especially after a bye week

When you say on National T.V. you did not prepare your team for their no huddle offense which they have been running at some point all year. I am surprised he didn’t get canned just for that ATL game but oh well.

by Chitownproduct on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Another good write up, Wilt.

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by David Taylor on Jan 7, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

Backing up Lester and Dane ...

The problem isn’t the Cover 2, it’s personnel. It doesn’t matter what scheme you run if you don’t have the players to fill the scheme. The secondary has been a mess. T. Harris has been hurt. When healthy, Harris hasn’t had a consistent running mate at DT. And the coordinator spot has turned into a revolving door.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Jan 7, 2010 8:07 PM CST reply actions  

Coach Wiltfong Jr. for the win!

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by Spongie on Jan 8, 2010 12:57 AM CST reply actions  

Coverages and systems don't put on pads and helmets ....

Can’t blame the Cover 2. Rex Ryan just pulled it out against the Chargers. Nothing wrong with the cover 2 – it’s got its strengths and weaknesses like any coverage. And they don’t play it all the time. I only saw the first Detroit game, but I think they played single-high safety in that. I’ve seen Cover 3. Only saw about 8 games though, so can’t really comment.

We can’t blame everything on Lovie. the players let him down too … Cincinatti ? Arizona ?

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by Irish Bears Fan on Jan 21, 2010 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

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