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Remember the Catch That Wasn't a Catch? Well, Next Year it Might Be a Catch Again

We heard all of the belly-aching come from the Lions fans when the game-winning catch by Calvin Johnson was ruled incomplete in Week 1, and heard all of the "Well, rules are rules" comments coming from Bears fans. 

As it turns out (and not surprisingly), the NFL is going to take a look at that rule this offseason and determine whether changes need to be made. 

We've said from the beginning, you can't criticize the official for making the call... their role is to enforce the rules as they are wrtten, without discretion.  If the rule needs to be changed, then change it.  Perhaps it just might be changed next season.

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Enough with the rule changes already . The Refs ....

…. are confused enough as is and another rule change will just further their confusion . This rule has both helped us and hurt us and I for one say just leave it as is . Make the player complete the play instead of getting up to celebrate a bit early .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 12, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Already

heard polian, mort, schefter and a few others say that they would look at it but in the end they do not think the rule will change after the game….There was no “outrage” by anyone with in the NFL “community” that thought it was a catch….Only the media…..polian even stated that he likes the rule as it is now and the official made the right call…..

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by CloudyFuture on Oct 12, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think it's a hardship

to be expected to hold on to the ball after catching it. And truth be told, I don’t think he could’ve hung on to that ball.

Don't worry Boys, we'll weather this storm of approval, and come out as hated as ever.

by BabylonDon on Oct 12, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Rulz is Rulz....

I don’t care either way, odds are this rule no matter how it is written or one like it will end up screwing us in the future. This time it wasn’t us, next time we might not be on the winning side, it is what it is. Don’t they have anything better to do, like I dunno get the CBA taken care of so we have football next year.

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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 12, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

They should alter it

As it is right now, the rule leaves no room for discretion for a ref to make the right call. Mega’s non-catch was the exception to the rule. It was a catch cause he wasn’t falling to the ground, instead he was getting up from the ground.

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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

And yet, all he had to do was to stand up with the ball in his hand… which he didn’t.

In real-time viewing, he didn’t stop the momentum of the movement with the ball at any point between falling with it and putting it on the ground. Easier to say this from a Bears perspective, but I would feel the same way if it was one of our players who’d done the deed.

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by Spongie on Oct 12, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I understand how the rule works, but I don’t agree how on certain plays (CJ’s) the play is extended for a rediculous amount of time. If it were up to me, the rule would only come into play when a player makes a diving catch.

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by propheteer on Oct 12, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but see

The problem with that would be, how do you define “diving catch”

by ChiTownSportsMaster on Oct 12, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that difficult to ascertain

If they fall to the ground during the catch, or happen to be off their feet, then they must keep control all the way through hitting the ground. CJ’s play much different than that description. He lept for the ball, and at no time did his body hit the ground….in addition he made a football move before the ball hit the ground and let go of the ball.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 12, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still yet ....

…. how hard is it to stand up with the ball in your hands ? Thats a Megatron had to do for it to be a touchdown ( or hell just fall to the ground with control of the ball ) . Instead he decided to get up as fast as possible to do his TD celebration and lost control of the ball . All he had to do was secure the ball .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 13, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

Based on the rules, it wasn’t a catch. With that said, the rule was implemented because the ball often touched the ground while being caught. I just have a hard time believing flukey plays like CJ’s can’t use a little discretion in order to make the correct call.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 13, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The refs should not be given too much discretion

They already have so much pressure on them and this would add to it. Plus, there would be more rule-bending which shouldn’t happen.

by DaHamsta on Oct 12, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a bad rule

At least revise it.

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by JoeCB1991 on Oct 12, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Get rid of the effin' roughing the passer call!!!!

Please for the love of Ditka make it unnecessary roughness FOR ALL!! Enough treating the QB with special rules just to increase the passing game. There are those of us who love good defense, and we don’t get to see it much anymore.

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by Just Dave on Oct 12, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

The Packers

would probably like to change the criteria for pass interference, right about now. It’s cost them two games I know of. And while an unhappy Packer fan, is one of my favorite things, I can’t say I COMPLETELY disagree. PI and roughing rules have become increasingly one-sided.

If you look at the new concussion awareness program, and Cutler and Rodgers recent hits, the roughing rules probably aren’t ever gonna change.

The NFL decided a long time ago, (When Bill Walsh had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice AND was the head of the rules committee) that big offensive numbers and highlight reels of long bombs were sexier than grind it out football and low scoring dfensive stands.

You’d have to say that the decision worked out well for the league, and so almost all of the subsequent rule changes have favored offenses. But for us folks in the minority, the defense fans, it’s been a huge letdown. Protecting the enormous investments in salary for qb and wr, certainly have had a hand in it, as well.
 
But it’s also created a diva class of wide receiver, imo. Would Randy Moss or T.O. or The Douchebag Formerly Known as Chad Johnson, been as successful (and therefore as conceited and irritating) if they’d played when head slaps were still legal? Or if they’d spent the day getting softened up by Fencik or Plank? Probably not.

Don't worry Boys, we'll weather this storm of approval, and come out as hated as ever.

by BabylonDon on Oct 13, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the reply.

My question is this… How is a slap to the helmet of a QB any more dangerous than a slap to the head of a running back? If no more danger exists then why the double standard on the call? If it is more dangerous to the QB then why? If the NFL can find an answer then address THAT. Unnecessary roughness prevents ALL players from ALL instances where a player intentionally meant to hurt his opponent. Running back get head to head contact ALL THE FREAKING TIME yet nothing gets called. If I were an NFL player this would concern me.

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by Just Dave on Oct 13, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a great subject,

worthy of it’s own thread.

Obviously, these are all just my opinions, but I’ve given them some thought.

There’s two reasons I can think of for not calling roughing on running backs,in the same way they call them for qb’s.

1) It would slow the game to a crawl. There could be a flag for every run up the middle. Too many calls. So many, in fact I bet offenses would start running it just to try and draw the flag.

2) There has to be a balance between the aesthetics of the game, and protection of investment. The league will always make a big show of promoting safety (but only when called upon by outside interests, NEVER on their own) but action, and top quality action, is where their profits lie.

Look at it this way; If the NFL was YOUR product, which is better for you, a Bears offense run by Todd Collins (or Caleb Hanie), or a Bears offense with Chester Taylor taking most of the snaps?

If your league is best promoted by long passes and acrobatic catches, the drop off of offensive quality between your starter and your backup qb, is much higher than it is for your RB.

Because it’s about marketability, as well. Remember ‘in the grasp’? It was designed for qb safety, but they scrapped it. Why? Because qb’s hated it, but also because it wiped out the action of a mobile qb scrambling away from a tackle.

If the league was that serious about qb safety, they would have kept the rule. How many times have you seen one rusher grab the qb (in the grasp) and slow him down just enough for another guy to lay him out?

Professional sports is an almost entirely visual product. Every decision they make, is filtered through the concern of how the game looks, in action.

Don't worry Boys, we'll weather this storm of approval, and come out as hated as ever.

by BabylonDon on Oct 14, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice post

But I like good defense and 3 yards and a cloud of dust. You are absolutely correct about the marketability. I just don’t have to like it. I’d prefer they leave roughing call to the discretion of the refs. If the ref thinks the intent was to cause injury then throw the flag. If it was some incidental contact made to the helmet during a clean tackle shove that flag where the sun don’t shine. The current rules are ruining perfectly good sacks and more people than just me must appreciate that.

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by Just Dave on Oct 14, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love good D too.

I’m just describing motivation, not agreeing with it.I think I’ve also noticed a trend with some teams, like the Steelers, and the Ravens, who just look on the occasional roughing call, as the price of doing business.

I think that the PI rules have gotten too strident as well. Make that receiver go up and get that ball.

Don't worry Boys, we'll weather this storm of approval, and come out as hated as ever.

by BabylonDon on Oct 14, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

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