The reality of who we are.
The Seahawks' game perfectly exemplified the Chicago Bears.
Some things we expected, we've had the same problems for a while, and they came as no shock.
1. A poor roster, as defined by the man from whom all of our problems stem. Jerry Angelo.
2. A desperate offensive line, being constantly rejigged a la musical chairs. Omiyale/Webb. HELLO? Who do you think is going to pick up the blitzers on the edge ?
3. Desperate receivers who can't grasp a playbook that is too complicated and frankly unrealistic. In the absence of a competent offensive line, simplicity is key.
4. A desperate secondary which allows teams to march up and down the field keeping our defense dog tired.
5. A glaring lack of a bruising RB/FB. Anyone not forsee Marshawn Lynch bruising through our defensive tackles?
6. Martz over-reliance on, and tendency to pass the ball. Even against the second worse pas defense in football - they knew we were going to pass, and that tends to help the defense Mike. Little tip there.
7. We have no running game. Putting up 200+ yards against the 27th rush defense in the NFL and an 0-5 team does not a rushing attack make.
These things we knew (or most of us did) coming into the game. But the Seahawks game threw up a few things for me personally which have been bubbling away under my skin and have just burst through to the surface, no longer to be contained :
1. The elephant in the room with Bears fans. Mr. Robbie Gould.
Now I'm not going to crucify anyone for missing a 54 yard field goal. It happens. "But he's the third most accurate kicker blah blah yada yada." So what!! If you can't even reach the goal posts on a 54 yarder, if you can't kick the ball in the vicinity of a 60 yard attempt ... you shouldn't be a kicker in the NFL. You haven't got the necessary tools to do the job. Three hundred million people in the country. Somebody else can. "But he's automatic inside 40 ..." - SO SHOULD THEY ALL BE !! Start trying out rugby kickers - plenty of them around the world. Sixty/seventy yards - BANG! - no problem. It's not beyond the realms of human possibility. If we have Scobee on our team - or whoever - then we win last night. We sucked, granted. No 3rd downs converted, but we could have won that game, just like the other games we won.
2. Mike Martz is insane.
I won't repeat the oft quoted definition. But he keeps doing it. 11 passes in a row ? Really? Think the defense doesn't know what's coming next Mike? Can't run it? Screen passes perchance? Counters? Traps? Misdirections? Draws? Three 3rd downs converted in 40 attempts over three games? Really? Sorry buddy, the buck has to stop somewhere. Somebody has to be accountable for that, and oh, I think I'm putting that on the OC.
3. Jay Christopher Cutler.
Defended the boy since he got here on all four corners of the Interweb. Love a cocky gunslinger. What now Jay? My quarterbacking hero is/was Jim McMahon. The smartest guy Ditka said he ever coached. Jimmy changed the plays so much that he was basically the defacto Bears' OC. He drove Ditka mad, but he got it right more often than not. We scored. That was that. He was Peyton Manning 15 years before Peyton Manning. He audibled DB blitzes before the DB moved up to the line, he was that good. Dare I say it, even Kyle Orton reads defenses better than Jay Cutler (and no, that's not a call for Kyle Orton, just a fact). Today's word is 'audible'. See something you don't like? Change it. Old man Kreutz is asleep again on the job? Call the assignments yourself. Protect those edges. Omiyale and Webb are too dumb to pick it up ? Do it for 'em - it's your team.
But here's the other worrying thing - even when he did have time to set and throw ... virtually every pass was overthrown. Zero accuracy. He was cleared to play, so concussion is not an argument here. Are we beginning to see why Denver let this guy go ? How many more times can we defend him by saying he has no protection? He gets time to throw *some* of the time ... and does he carve up defenses then ? Not really, no. He's still just as likely to throw into triple coverage over the guy's head into the welcoming arms of a deep safety. One, two, three ... set your feet, release. Be it into the ground, up in the bleachers or out of bounds - don't care, just get rid of the ball. Just
do it four or five times a game and you'd be a much improved quarterback. We love you Jay, but in the way a mother loves her perpetually misbehaving adopted child.
4. Where's the beef? Didn't we miss out on Brandon Marshall et al because we spent all our pennies in the one shop? Julius, you cost us some serious wedge dude. Looking good against bad teams isn't going to cut it. We paid you above and beyond - we need you to be very special indeed. You were supposed to make our whole line better. Mr. Angelo, you've been tending to the defensive line at the expense of almost every other position - so where's the pressure? Cover two doesn't work without pressure from the front four - y'know - like the front four that the Giants killed us with? Charles Grant - you're up next. let's see what Angelo saw in you, Sir.
5. Mike Tice.
Hiestand was gone. Ding dong the witch is dead. Now we had a guy who knew the time of day. Or did we ... ?
6. Daryl Drake.
Why is this guy still employed again?
7. Lovie.
Last but not least, Lovie. You pace the sidelines ... looking up at those screens ... looking as if you're doing long division in your head. No emotion. No expression. Nothing. A very guilty bystander during the weekly car crash. Get thee hence to endless night, Lovie, and take your idiot friends with you.
We're still top of the division you say. The Seahawks were coming off a bye week after a big shiny new acquisition in Marshawn Lynch. The line needs time to gel. There's a ways to go yet. But fail to prepare and you are preparing to fail. And Jerry, oh Jerry, how you have failed us ....
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Some of these points are valid or at least debatable(see 2, 5 and 7 for examples) but.....
Most of this is simplistic tripe. Sorry, but it is. You took the simplest route to frying everything you saw. I won’t even bother wasting the time to tear this post apart.
Again, sorry. I don’t mean to be an ass, but I just don’t have the energy to waste dispelling something that is so obviously based in over-reaction. And don’t get me wrong, Wally. I completely get why you’d be jumping of the ledge and attempting to take the whole team with you. If I was a little more emotional, I would probably be out there grabbing some ankles as I went down, too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 18, 2010 7:13 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree you said i wanted
cant blow up EVERYONE the roster has talent……….ugh this could turn into a novel so ill stop now
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 18, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You have a few good points...
but I think you are being a bit nihilistic. Not toy toot my own horn, but if I think you are being extreme, then a normal person would think so for sure!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMIE!...
This post made me smile :)
We love you anyways, Lost.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 18, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
ha
The head in the sand replies to this are very Jerry angelo-esque.
by mike b on Oct 18, 2010 7:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Right....
Because a team with so little talent has lost all of 2 games, and been well within their ability to win those games even with the attrocious line play and we’re the ones with our heads in the sand? Get real.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 18, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
do you know anything about trends?
This team is trending down, with the meat of schedule coming up.
by mike b on Oct 18, 2010 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We're 4 and 2 now ...
…what happens when we start playing good teams every week ? The one good team we’ve played beat the tar out of us.
Ok, first....
GB is a good team. We won. Second, I don’t know what happens next. This line is that bad that i don’t know what will happen. But indicting and blazing everything is just silly. The line is the root of all evil here. There’s a reason why Dallas was the best team of the 90’s, and the Patriots of the ‘00s, and the Steelers of the 70’s and the 49er’s of the 80’s. Because they controlled the line of scrimmage. All of those teams did. Our linemen couldn’t control the line against a high school team.
The Offensive line is the root of all evil. Fix it, and the rest will fall into place. But can it be fixed? IDK.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Your talk of the desperate left out the housewives.
The elephant in the room is generally something everybody admits is a problem but nobody wants to talk about. I don’t think anybody other than you thinks Gould is a problem.
This post is spot on
but unfortunately for you sir the majority of the posters on this site eat Bears’ shit for breakfast. You can’t point out flaws, disagree with a decision, call Lovie an idiot, say the WRs suck, basically, say anything bad about this team without being labeled a “hater” or “not a true fan”.
The cold hard fact about this team is that it has the worst offensive line in the history of football and that will be their downfall. It’s a domino effect. They fix the line, they fix this team. It’s mind boggling to see teams completely dominate the line of scrimmage they way they do. They get pushed backwards at the POA, the only time Cutler has to make his reads are on his dropbacks but that doesn’t work because he only has time for a 3 step drop. Then you have WRs that are running 20-30 yds routes when Cutler has 2 seconds to throw the ball. Where are the short to intermediate crossing routes?
You fix this line, you fix the run game, which fixes the pass game, which fixes the offense, which fixes the defense being on the field all god damn game. This team is nothing like the 2006 Bears because at least they could run the ball and block.
they look like
08, 09 bears.
Defense gets beat by balanced gameplan due too poor dline and secondary. Offense can’t run block and now REALLY can’t pass block. They’re taking steps back every week.
by mike b on Oct 18, 2010 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
it’s a disgusting site to watch this team play football recently. I’ve made on numerous occasions a prediciton that the Bears will never win another playoff game with Lovie as the coach but now doubt they will even go to the playoffs with him. They are a 1 and done team if they even go this year. I’m tired of waiting 5-10 years for a contender. I want a perennial playoff team ala Colts, Pats, Steelers, etc. If that means blowing up and starting over, so be it.
i cant pick a win
Out of the last 8 bears games of the schedule. Maybe green bay if they are still banged up. I dont think they beat Washington either. Now, I don’t think the odds are high on any team losing 8 straight, but their play does not convince otherwise.
by mike b on Oct 18, 2010 10:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear ya
They’ll lose next week then they’ll beat Bills to be 5-3 at halfway mark. I see 2-6 second half, maybe 3-5. 8-8 but I’ll say 9-7 with a lucky break or 2 winning them a game.
We'd be lucky to even beat the Bills.
You’d still have to convert third downs. The Bills are 10th against the pass, stone dead last against the run – but if we run it then it’ll be a close game and I have full confidence in Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing it against us, or anyone else for that matter.
Watch the language, sir.
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i think i just marked you as spam by accident
Sorry about that.
Also sorry about the f bomb I don’t even realize where I dropped it.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
What do you mean?
This is the 2nd post of mine you replied for me to watch the language. I hope you’re not referring to shit because I’ve seen people drop F bombs on here and haven’t seen them get harrassed. And if you are referring to shit and that is the cause of you telling me to watch my language, then that’s pathetic.
Are you serious?
A few S’s, a pretty big GD, and an L(what exactly is an L) does not warrant me, a grown man, being told to watch my language. Especially since I’ve seen F bombs dropped like crazy during game threads. So for me to be told to watch my language is not appreciated. I don’t know what happened to this site but it’s a complete joke. I’ve been here since 2007 and before the SBnation even took over. Back then, this site was great. But that was before the pussification of this website and people like yourself who can’t handle “shit” or “god damn” or “L” to describe the pathetic effort of this football team. I’m sure this rant will be seen as offensive or “not appreciated” so I’ll leave this as my parting shot and bid farewell to a once great website that has been reduced to a church forum for Bears fans that love to talk to other Bears fans about how great Patrick Mannelly is.
McRipper out!!
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Personally I’m not, but we’re all intelligent enough to come up with other adjectives.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Bears fans that love to talk to other Bears fans about how great Patrick Mannelly is.
Well he is great and so is Ditka sorry to see you go.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your revisionist history and criteria about what makes a "great site" is pretty stellar.
You registered here 7 months before I did. The site has come a long way since then. It has added content, contributors, analysis and a whole ton more.
I don’t see how asking you to watch your language on a private site detracts from any of that content or pussifies it. If it takes dropping some f-bombs to make you feel less “pussified” then you have pretty low standards.
People disagree here about everything all the time. You see it in every thread/article/fanshot/post. How to people miss all that the moment somebody asks them to clean up their language?
Now to make the site truly great, can I please edit some of the main page articles!
we have an editor
thank you very much!
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
This lost me before I could finish.
If you can’t even reach the goal posts on a 54 yarder, if you can’t kick the ball in the vicinity of a 60 yard attempt … you shouldn’t be a kicker in the NFL.
I just watched him kick a 53 yarder with plenty of room to spare. Let’s not get hasty because he missed a kick he shouldn’t have been asked to make.
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by Kev H on Oct 18, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Vinateri missed a 38 yard field goal but made a 42 I later I believe
should he be fired? Crazy stuff on here today.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 18, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
saved me from typing a response to this one
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Most kickers are unaccurate over 50 yards
And Robbie is more of a accurate kicker rather than a strong legged one anyway.
That was his career best ....
And the first line was “Now I’m not going to crucify anyone for missing a 54 yard field goal. It happens.”
He kicks the easy ones. So what? It’s the 50+ yarders at the business end that a team needs. That’s all.
Go and be green....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 19, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
We have way bigger problems then kicker.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Like our punter.
I’d rather have a punter that can boot a 50+ yarder than a guy who’s calling card is pinning opponent’s inside their own 20. Not 10, not 5, but 20. I can kick farther than Maynard. In fact, I did in my flag football game this past Sunday.
Prove it.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 20, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
wally&mac is not meant to be taken seriously
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
This dude is an idiot(wally and mac)
Robbie Gould is going to be attacked by you for missing a 54 yarder? The saints would KILL to have a kicker like gould, Ask the ravens what they think of Gould.
Robbie is the BEST kicker in the league how many game winners has he made for us? He is clutch
I have seen scobbe miss many field goals that are makeable.
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 20, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more about Cutler
I’m upset after this weekend about a lot of things, but more importantly, I’m disapointed with Jay for what seems like the last time. We’ve been over and over the “skill set” Jay has, and I don’t doubt that for one second, but, I’m begining to see a pattern with him. Like Jeff George, he’s the kind of guy who has talent, but rests on it. Yeah he can make those off balance, back foot, 60 yard laser beams, BUT, what does he do to avoid HAVING to make that play? Arm strength aside, Jay seems to lack the basic abilities a QB needs besides his arm; decision making, audible calling, defensive reads, leadership, etc, etc. What sucks is, like was said in this post, even when he did have time to make throws, they were AWFUL. He threw into coverage, overthrew, underthrew, just made plain bad throws, and thats his one selling point!
I’m so mixed at this point I don’t know what to do, I’ve defended him for so long, it’s odd to be on the other side of things. However, I do feel like the management and the team are stuck with him, and so are we, might as well build to what he needs to make this work; o-line, hard nosed RB, big play WR. This team is apparently well away from being a contender.
"Smells like burning hair and week-old Arby’s." - the stench of Steve Finley
No QB can look good behind this line . We saw ....
… what Jay can do when given time to throw . The Lions , Cowboys and Packers games were proof that if you give him time he will pick you apart . As of right now this all falls on the O-line and Martz’s inability or unwillingness to protect Cutler through play calling . So really is Jay to blame ??? In a word …….. No .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 18, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
EVERYONE CALM DOWN...
drink the kool aid
its not even halfway through the season yet
anything can happen
optimism works best
im still seeing 10-6
the o-line does suck
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by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 18, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
not trying to be a smart @$$, but to answer #2
Omiyale/Webb. HELLO? Who do you think is going to pick up the blitzers on the edge ?
They could have expected a running back to pick up the edge blitz… They also could have expected a guard to pop out and pick him up… They could have been instructed to leave the safety blitzer alone with the thought that Cutler will hit a hot read. An offensive lineman is usually taught to protect inside/out. And that depends on who the backs are picking up.
In my opinion part of the blame on those failed pickups falls on Martz, Cutler, and the line.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 18, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
They weren't getting beat
If they got to block someone, they did so pretty well, but a lot of the time, there was no one on the blitzer and that can be fixed.
The conversation
Hey you know Lovie’s isnt doing too well here in chicago, i wonder what would happen if he had another dismal season.
I think they would probably fire him most likely, but then who would be the coach?
Im not sure but maybe you could step in and become the coach.
I dont see that happening unless we play really well on offense.
How about this we play well some games, horrible some others, hell i’ll even help you.
How are you going to help me?
Noone ever knows what im thinking, or how im feeling. They wont know when im throwing the game or trying to win the game. I could easily throw a few here and there to make us look bad, final weeks of the season put on a good enough show to look good but we wont make the playoffs… head coaching job up for grabs who knows your offense that turned chicago around could land you the job.
If your too obvious people will notice, i can adjust my gameplan, instead of 30-35 attempts we will aim at 35- 40
Sounds like a plan im in.
One question, do you think you can survive 16 games of pounding? I wont fix the line issues until later on….
Jay and Mike the newly weds
I hate the rain. Rain falls in this world, too. When your heart is in chaos, the sky becomes clouded. When you are sad, rain falls so terribly easily. Can you understand, the horror of being pelted by rain in this solitary world? If only to stop that rain, I shall lend you any strength. If you trust in me, I will let no rain fall in this world, trust me. You are not fighting alone.
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 18, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
i don't know if anyone sees this
but the biggest problem with martz’s system is he moves people around before the snap, and makes the defense adjust to what he does. However, Martz teams rarely audible. It’s the achilles heel of the offensive scheme. Not the protection, not the 7 step drops. it’s failing to adjust to what the defense gives you. just shifting 2 WR’s to one side isn’t going to necessarily stop a DC from sending a corner blitz at you from the other side.
If that happens, Cutler has to be allowed to make an audible for a 3 step drop or know to make the hot read. This is the flaw of Martz’s system. Martz doesn’t like his QB’s making the hot read automatically or making audibles.
Growing pains
Everyone wanted to kill Turner & his 3 yards of dust, so they go out and hire a gunslinging O coordinator. Everyone complained about the old O-line and getting retreads off the scrap heap, so the Bears brought in Tice and a couple of young guys that are physically strong and have the tools but raw. Almost everyone hated sexy Rexy so the Bears traded for a young pro-bowl QB. They also bought the best DE in football.
I’m not saying the game looked good yesterday, or it will look good Sunday, but we are going to have hiccups when adding all these new pieces. If Jay can stay healthy through the next few games I think we could really put a run together towards the end of the season and not be in complete rebuilding mode on the O-line once again this winter.
I also like the fact that I realistically think we can (not that we always will) score 28 pts at kick-off every Sunday instead of hoping the D can lock an opponent down to 13 pts and praying for a return TD. IMO a current 4-2 record in what is a complete rebuilding of the offense is awesome.
lost in DC...
Hiccups?
3 out of 40 3rd down conversions in three games isn’t hiccups, it’s a metastasized stage four cancer.
by Wally&Mac on Oct 18, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
This should be green for truthiness.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 19, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be on a crusade of sorts. :)
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I just give credit where it is due, my friend. :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 19, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Hiccups = sugarcoating cancer, lol
You are right, it is a huge problem but I do think once these young guys get more playing time and see all the different blitz, stunts, NFL defensive schemes they have the talent to end up being good. We are going to have more missed pick-ups, and I will be screaming at the TV along with everyone else. I also hope that that will be happening with less and less frequency until we end up with a young competent O-line. I just hope Jay can last that long.
lost in DC...
Uh, no.
He (McMahon) was Peyton Manning 15 years before Peyton Manning.
Love McMahon, can’t stand fetus-head, but still. Just no.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
In terms of ability to read and audible? Absolutely.
And I’m not buying into the argument that Cutler isn’t ‘allowed’ to audible. If you see something obvious that needs to be changed at the line quickly, then do it. It just seems like he can’t read defenses and doesn’t go straight to his hot read in any case, or at least not as often as he should. I can’t defends the guy any longer, he refuses to change, plain and simple. Not having protection or any decent receivers on the field is part of the problem, but the biggest problem is him.
This is the kind of thing about Cutler that worries me :
“I’ve played against (Hall) before,‘’ Cutler said. "There’s no reason to shy away from him. That’s hard for me to say throwing four picks to the guy but I still think if we had to play him tomorrow I’d go after him every time.’’

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