So now you want them to 'get off the bus running'?
Because when Lovie Smith was giving that sound bite I heard so many fans, and read so many wishy washy columnists saying something along the lines of, 'this is the 21st century we need to throw the ball' or 'this ain't the 1950's you need to throw the ball to win'. Bears fans and media types that cover the team are a funny group. Not all of them, but a good vocal majority of them are.
Sometimes I wonder if they remember some of their gripes about Ron Turner. Or John Shoop, or Terry Shea, or Gary Crowton, or any of the other offensive coordinators the Bears have had in the recent history of the team. Matt Forte had 11 yards on 8 carries on Sunday. The Seahawks play the run very well. But let's keep pounding away. The definition of insanity is...
Or is it a 50/50 run/pass balance they are calling for? Should they just stick with the running game regardless of results? Because I remember a lot of times Lovie would give us some mumbo jumbo about sticking with the run, albeit unsuccessfully, and the call for him and his archaic ways to go would fill talk radio. Seattle is 2nd in the league vs. the run and they are 3rd worst vs. the pass. But the call from so many is to run the ball? Seriously?
Hindsight is always 20/20, and it's convenient to jump to the conclusion that it was the 80/20 pass/run ratio that doomed the team. Especially after how well they ran against the winless Carolina Panthers, that give up 134 yards per game on the ground. (I'm actually surprised they threw as much as they did in that game with as bad as Todd Collins looked.) But anyone that points to that 80/20 ratio as the reason the Bears lost must not have noticed the lack of a pass rush from the Monsters of the Midway. Or the poor pass coverage that was the result of the lack of pressure? Or the fact that Jay Cutler completed less than 50% of his passes, one of the worst games percentage wise of his career. Was it the rust from the week off or was his brain not fully healed after the concussion?
I'm not trying to absolve Martz and his play calling from the loss. Because I do think he could have called a better game. But to think the lack of a run game or the lack of a "threat" of a run game was why they lost makes no sense. Martz does have to chill out on some of the deep drop stuff, but when a deep drop is called there are still hot reads that Cutler and his receivers have to see. And talking about those blitzes...
Olin Kruetz fell on the sword for the offensive line, but all those sacks weren't on him. True, he makes the line calls, but to expect him to see a DB sneaking up outside the tackle is ludicrous. Kreutz did what a veteran leader does and accepted the responsibility for his teammates. Those DBs coming clean off the edge could have been the pick up of the tackles, but they very well could have been the responsibility of Cutler or the backs. The receivers also could have missed the read, and not adjusted their route accordingly.
The way the line blocked down tells me the tackles were expecting the backs to pick up the DB. The line could have slid protection to the potential blitz, but then you may have someone coming clean up the gut. Pass protection has to be an inside out concern. The players closer to the center are a bigger threat to the QB than a guy coming off the edge. With the Over/Under 4-3 look Pete Carroll likes to use, they essentially have 5 guys on or near the line of scrimmage, then you add a blitzer and you have to account for at least 6 defenders. I'm not saying the line is totally without blame, but I'm saying there are other ways to pick up a blitz. And unless they come out and tell us exactly what was supposed to be done on each play we'll never know.
And we'll never know if the Bears would have kept running the ball if they would have finally cracked through with some big gains. But I'm fairly certain that if the Bears would have run the ball more, yet still lost, all we'd be hearing about is, 'the Bears should have thrown more'.
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running the ball
Isn’t always an immediate payoff. Even if its not working early this team isn’t such a passing dynamo to be giving it so few touches.
by mike b on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
exactly!
you keep pounding that wall and it will eventually fall….it may take 15-25 times but you need to do it
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
you keep pounding the ball and it dosen't always fall
sometimes it leads to the second guessers saying the Bears are stubbornly pounding the ball for no gain.
The Bears loss had nothing to do with a lack of carries by the backs.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Run or pass,
you’re getting nowhere fast doing either when the o-line couldn’t block a highschool’s defense. I know it’s a broken record. Maybe we need to be like the Lions when they had like a 5 year stretch of drafting receivers in the first round. Only instead of receivers draft an offensive line.
Runnig the ball does require space.
When to OL can’t create that space there will be no running, just some of what we saw in the meager attempts – backs being tackle for no gain.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There needs to be
a bit more balance, just because the line can’t block anybody, and if Jay keeps taking 6+ sacks a game, his career is going to end before our very eyes. It doesn’t need to be, and shouldn’t be a 50/50 split since we do have Jay, with that howitzer he has, but if he’s constantly on the ground, it doesn’t make a difference.
I still think Martz is right for this offense, but he needs to establish the run a little more often.
You’re dead on that Cutler missed several hot-reads. I didn’t see him pointing out any of the DBs crowding the line. Every sack he took seemed to be off the edge, from an untouched Seahawk.
You think Cliff Stein was able to
get a Gap Insurance policy on Cutler?
…if Jay keeps taking 6+ sacks a game, his career is going to end before our very eyes.
Franchise QBs
make reads at the line, and Cutler has yet to do any of this. You might want to point out the blitzer and actually pass to their weak side. He might be out of job before losing his head (no pun intended).
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Hmm.
Franchise QBs make reads at the line, and Cutler has yet to do any of this.
Don’t start going dow Generalization Rd. or Hyperbole Blvd. How in the world can you say Cutler has yet to make any reads (and implied audibles) at the line?
Is there any truth to the rumor that Cutler isn't allowed to audible?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
yes.
No audibles in the Martz O. But there are always reads the QB & WR are to make depending on the look the D gives
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So then Jay Cutler isn't making good reads?
I mean based on the DB blitzes that never got picked up. Would those be examples of Cutler not making good reads?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Either Cutler
or his receivers not seeing the blitz
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So fool me once...
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Is Cutler allowed protection audibles?
Or just flat out none?
by TheMan1 on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
From what I understand
they all have adjustments to make if a D shows blitz… don’t know who was at fault from Sunday
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Cutler allowed to projectile vomit?
That may be a solution to keep the defenders off him. His teammates seem unable or unwilling.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Mostly Cutler's fault
"We’ve got built-in hots when we’ve got safety blitzes," Taylor said. "Jay is going to go watch film and learn from this and try not to make the same mistakes."
Based on what Chester said, it sure seems like Martz’ offense invites blitzes. That opens up the underneath and hot routes. Instead of cowering in the face of danger, how about try the 5 yard pitch to your RB instead? Hmm….that’s a novel idea!
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
like the one they scored on against Carolina
And then never ran again?
by mike b on Oct 19, 2010 9:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And like the hot read to Olsen (against Dallas) for a TD
I’m not sure why we haven’t seen plays such as these, more often/recent.
Like propheteer said, “mostly Cutler’s fault” and sprinkle some Martz to blame as well.
Let me ask you this
Have you seen anything of the contrary? I remember one play where the safety or CB predictably waltzed up to the line, and Cutler didn’t make an adjustment at the line. Instead he took the sack and looked bewildered like he always does. Martz said audibles are not a part of his offense, and that hot reads are built in to it. Well, did you see any safety-valve passes the entire game? The only passes to RBs were designed plays.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I wonder how long it'll be
before someone posts your boy Roy’s video so he can tell us what was suppose to happen.
But anyway where in the hell is the FB Dive!!!!!
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We have no FBs.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I know... I miss Jason McKie.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
omg
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I keed, I keed.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the key
is to alter your passing scheme a bit. Just like in the Dallas game, choose to use a quick-hit philosophy rather than trust your shaky line and QB to make the right decisions; decisions that have yet to show up in tape. As soon as you do this successfully teams will be hesitant to release the hounds.
Everyone knew the Hawks were coming, but still Jay wouldn’t adjust and neither would Martz. It’s sickening to think both of these guys are so stubborn in their ways and egomaniacal that they wouldn’t change for the better of the team. Stupid of us fans to think the Dallas game wasn’t an aberration.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Agreed!
I was most frustrated by the apparent lack of adjustments made throughout the course of the game. However like Lester said, we’ll never know where that blame falls / what was being called / what was actually happening.
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
Based on history
most of the blame should fall on the shoulders of our QB (the most important position in sports), and our high-risk coordinator. Hanie would be better if Cutler continues to make bad reads, decisions, and fails to play with confidence. He had “happy feet” the entire game on Sunday.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Run game wouldn't help.
As I’ll say for the 500000000th time now, without a serviceable O line..our run game will never get off the ground. All that was missing was a couple of hot routes and 1-2 step dump passes to keep the ball moving and keep Cutler from eating another 3 tons of grass.
bingo
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we even have enough of a sample
to know we “can’t” run block. We looked pretty darn good at (an albiet bad) Carolina. We hardly ever run. Don’t we need a bigger sample before we declare absolutes. And just because we can’t pass block doesn’t necessarily mean we can’t run block. They are two different aspects of a lineman’s job.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Carolina is poor vs. the run
Seattle is damn good vs. the run.
You play to your strengths and to your opponents weaknesses.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But over the course of this season we remain uncommitted to the run in general.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
You play to your strengths.
What are the Bears’ strengths exactly? A lot of people would have answered “the run” after the Carolina game and Tice’s comments last week about members of the O-line being better at run blocking than pass blocking.
At least we are learning what their strengths aren’t. Still waiting for the flip side of that revelation though.
by oripunk3485 on Oct 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Their best weapon on O is Cutler
They put up 290 yards vs. Seattle with Cutler having a terrible game with his accuracy.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
Cutler has been doing a good job in getting the ball in the receivers hands where they can do something after the catch. The crossing routes and screens are great for that.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
our best strength
is drawing the PI/pointing wildly at the opposing Oline when they False Start
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 19, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Bears strengths = allowing sacks.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll post here exactly what I posted in another topic of a similar nature...
We just want to be surprised by the play calling
In the last 3 games, we’ve been about as predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. It’s a Turner offense again. Run into a wall on first down. Deep incompletion on second. Underneath on third for 5-7. Punt on 4th.
Where’s the screen pass? The Slant? The Hot Read? Pitches? Counters? I’m not talking about trick plays here. I’m talking about running good, technically sound plays in unpredictable ways or orders.
Turner couldn’t do this. Martz can, but seems to refuse to.
There is also
the possibility that Jay himself is deciding not to take the screen/slant/safe play route. Grossman was the same way, really. Why dump it off when you can force it into triple coverage. If the play succeeds, you’re the MAN!
The Dallas game protection changes gave me hope, but I’m seeing them more as a fluke now, than anything. Did Martz forget that the tactic worked?
I'm not saying 50/50 but...
Like most ppl that commented on this topic, Martz just needs better playcalling. 90% of the passing plays he calls are 5-7 step drops. Why would u continue to call those plays when you know your O-line can’t give Cutler enough time for those plays to develop 9 outta 10 times?!? It really mind boggles me.
If u mix up the play calling, whether it’s a run play, short slant, screen, etc…the defense are gonna be guessing a lot more than what they are. Also, can they give Cutler some freedom and let him audible out of certain plays if the defense looks different.?? Just my 2 cents…
Yes.
Cut back on the deep drop stuff
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
good post
It makes sense to pass against a team that can’t defend the pass, but is excellent against the run.
Not sure I agree that Cutler could have done much about most of those sacks – the majority were unblocked from the blind side, and i saw in the trib that only 1 or 2 were out of 7 step drops. Could he have found a hot read on a couple? Maybe. But this smells to me more like a lousy O-line not knowing what they are doing.
Wrong
This is EXACTLY what makes Lovie Smith one of the worst coaches in the league- his refusal to make effective adjustments. Sure, your game plan based on conventional wisdom says we need to exploit their weaknesses. We all get it. But when your O line IN GAME is failing to yet again protect the QB, you need to make changes. Screen passes… drop-offs… RUN THE BALL.
the question of whether to run or pass has nothing to do with in game adjustments
i agree that lovie is bad at that, and more screens, quick slants, max protect schemes should have been in order. But running against an excellent run defense (with an O-Line that can’t block for the run either btw) when the other team has a terrible pass defense is just stupid.
Disagree
And we’ll never know if the Bears would have kept running the ball if they would have finally cracked through with some big gains. But I’m fairly certain that if the Bears would have run the ball more, yet still lost, all we’d be hearing about is, ‘the Bears should have thrown more’.
No we won’t know if they would have busted some long runs, but it’s very likely that they would have.
I don’t really see the point in this article to be honest. The Bears ran the ball 11 times and only lost by 3 points. Cutler was sacked 6 times. They should have run the ball more. This point is inarguable. Maybe they would have still lost the game, but they should have run the ball more. When your biggest weakness is a developing offensive line that struggles mightily in blitz pick-ups, dropping back to pass 80% of the time plays right into the defenses hands. We should have run the ball more. We were 1 long run away from loosening up the defense.
Coming off the heels of a 170 yard rushing effort, the previous freaking game, this is self-evident, axiomatic, irrefutable.
Thus, we were out-coached and out-played.
And finally allow me to finish your sentence… “But let’s keep pounding away. The definition of insanity is…” giving up on the run when you lead the league in sacks.
very likely?
Why is it very likely they would have busted some long runs? I’m curious…
The point of the article can be found in the 1st paragraph.
The same people that were pissed off when Lovie would stubbornly stick with an unsuccessful run game are now asking for the Bears to run the ball.
The Bears didn’t lose because of the 80/20 pass/run ratio.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The poor protection
stalled and killed drives, but if the D hadn’t played soft all game, we could now be talking about being 5-1.
You’re exactly right, the pass-heavy game didn’t kill us. Overall poor play did.
They lost cause they were 0-12 on third downs
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
That was a tough one to overcome!
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No, you're right.
The Bears didn’t lose because of the 80/20 pass/run ratio
But they sure as hell are becoming predictable because of it.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Reply fail to Lester....
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
If Cutler
is more accurate it wouldn’t matter how predictable it is. He had a bad game.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about making this a fan poll but I didn't want to irritate too badly.
1. The Bears have just taken the ball on offense. They will now;
A. Pass the ball
B. Pass the ball
C. Pass the ball
D. All of the above
2. Second down and 10 the Bears now;
(repeat until annoyed)
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I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
by Just Dave on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure how to vote
this one is tough.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 19, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Since all Polls here should have a Ditka option,
You vote Ditka!
by David in Maine on Oct 19, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah but he didn't put the option
so said poll should be invalid until he fixes it.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 20, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Great Article
and a great topic!
The shocking thing to me on Sunday was the Bears defense. They allowed, if I recall correctly, two drives around 90 yards. You cannot win with drives that long. The Bears offense gave the team a very early lead, but it didn’t take long before we fell behind. I know that the majority of the time the Seattle offense had great field position, but when we finally got them pinned down we did nothing about it. On the other hand, when Seattle had us pinned down, they put their foot on our throats.
My point it…Bears defense, get off the field. Stop allowing 90 yard drives.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Oct 19, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
I agree
We all know that football is often compared with a chess match. Each side is trying to make educated guesses on what will happen next. So the whole run / pass ratio should really fluctuate game to game based upon particular situations of every game. Being to rigid it one or the other doesn’t allow you the flexibility to be more unpredictable.
That being said; I’d like to see more quick slants to our bigger receivers such as: Greg Olsen, Devin Aromashodu, Desmond Clark. TEs are supposed to be the ‘ol faithful that a QB can go to when under pressure. Use two TE sets and throw to Clark if Olsen is getting too much attention. If they have to focus on our TEs this takes would-be blitzers and forces them to cover the short routes. Once you’ve got them on their heals a bit, then you’d utilize the speed of Hester / Knox to punish ’em deep.
If they mix up the short / long throws well enough, it then become much easier to run the ball because the defense is spread out and looking for a pass.
Bottom line is that no matter what you do offensively, the primary goal should be to do the unexpected. During the last three games, Martz’s predictability has been almost Ron Turner-like.
Martz has to do a better job calling plays
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
You should be on Martz's staff
He won’t listen to you either, but you make great points here.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
question
Regarding this, “Those DBs coming clean off the edge could have been the pick up of the tackles, but they very well could have been the responsibility of Cutler or the backs.”
If a DB is rushing past a tackle on his way to the QB, and said tackle has no one in front of him to pass block, in fact no one in front of him at all, shouldn’t he get a piece of that DB instead of letting him rush past him? I know there are layers of responsibility, but really, that seems like a no brainer to me if I’m a tackle. If I’m wrong tell me why. Thanks
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It all depends
on the blocking scheme. A lot of systems have the backs responsible for blitzers off the edge. And some schemes don’t want him blocked with the thought that the QB and WR has to quickly read it and get it out quick.
Sometimes if a line is fan blocking then uncovered linemen will fan out to the edge, then backs have to be cognizant of a middle rush. If the line is staying home then the backs have to block outside the tackles.
One reason why you don’t want the tackles flying out to block those DBs (again it depends on the scheme) is then you are susceptible to them bringing a stunt or a blitz to the area the tackle vacated.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Okie dokie
Just looks strange to see a DB make a beeline to Cutler right past the left tackle. What you say makes sense though.
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It was either a missed assignment and no one picked him up
or it was on Cutler and the receivers to hit a pass in the vacated spot from the blitz
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that Matt Forte wasn't going to save the game
but even a little more balance – like 60/40 pass – might’ve helped get the o-line in a rhythm, kept the defense honest, and kept the heat off of Cutler. It’s not like Seattle made the Bears one-dimensional – Martz made them like that. I believe they ran the ball seven times in the first quarter and then only like 4 or 5 times for the rest of the game. That’s barely even trying to establish a run game.
The Bears came into the game as one of the best run defenses in the league, but that didn’t stop Seattle from pounding the rock. Sure they didn’t rip off any huge gains, but they chipped away just enough to make the D respect the run and actually had us on our heels with the playaction pass.
I’m not saying running the ball more by itself would’ve won the game for us, but you can’t say it wouldn’t have helped.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 19, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
You do what works
If the run is not working, why would you continue. The passing game was mismanaged but still had more success than the running game. Running doesn’t loosen defenses up unless it works, and it wasn’t working. We need to dump it off more, big plays are great but you need to drive it down the field. The Bears had 3 receivers with long catches more than any Seattle receiver, yet we did not score a passing TD, short passes work well and we need to make more of them.
I just want to see a convincing win.
We have yet to see a solid performance in all aspects of the game.
Every week, win or lose, there are glaring inconsistencies (I’m being kind) in the play from TH OL (consistently) the defense and the coaching. Even our Special Teams play, which has been pretty good at times, is no the dominant force we’ve been capable of in the past.
I am strongly leaning towards putting the bulk of the blame on the coaching staff. We look under prepared, overmatched and confused on the field. I always thought this is what the week of practice prior to game day was for.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 19, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
It's not about "getting off the bus running"...
It’s about establishing a fundamental cohesive unit on the O-line. It has little to do with the “threat” of a the running game. It’s all about 2 things:
1. Developing a coherent group of blocking O-linemen who can build confidence and trust in one another by lining up side by side and pushing the defense backward.
2. Not further injuring your QB by asking him to take repeated 7-step drops with no hope of anything other than getting drilled on every play.
The running game can be a development opportunity for the lesser experienced linemen to simply wear down the opposition by leaning forward on them for a few plays.
The Bears offense has atrocious football fundamentals and not running just makes them worse. After the game there was this recurrent theme of " we passed because we were behind" from Lovie and Cutler and the rest of the offense. That’s crap. It was a close game until the end. The Bears had every opportunity to actually commit to running the football and they simply didn’t do it. BTW, what moron calls for a 7-step drop on their own 5 yard line?
It’s like any parent can attest. You do not say to your 2 year old, “Well you’ve mastered using the bathroom by yourself…now here’s the keys to my car and a few beers…go make good decisions.” This isn’t about the stupid Lovie football cliches, but perhaps realizing that adding complexity to a team that lacks fundamental discipline is a recipe for disaster.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
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by LostInSTL on Oct 19, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
1. This Bears line isn’t blowing anyone off the ball. They are all technique players. You want a smash mouth offensive line, look somewhere other than Chicago
2. They run far fewer 7 step drops than most of us think.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 19, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not how many 7-step drops...
but when they are called. No sane man calls for a deep drop backed up on their goal line with this offensive line. Also, they don’t have to “blow up” anyone, just move forward and push them. It’s about creating a crease, not a truck lane five yards down field. Beyond that, what I am lobbying for is not about rushing yardage, but developing the o-line. I couldn’t care really less if Forte only gains 2 yards per play (though that would not be the ideal). What I am looking for is the line to gain the benefits that run blocking provides:
1. Develop fundamental blocking techniques in real game action
2. Build a foundation of trust and communication between linemen
3. Physically wear down the D-line and LBs
4. Drag out TOP that reduces the TOP for the opposing offense
5. Reduce the number of hits the QB receives
6. Require the safeties and LBs to consider the run as a realistic possibility as part of any blitz decision
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Exactly!!
This… all of this.
I’m not sure which point I agree with most… I think it’s #5, then #6, #2, then #4. Everything else is equally important.
It’s not like Forte isn’t a capable runner. He’s got a great first step and breakaway speed. The very next time he touches the ball could be the one where he breaks one off for 60 yards. And when a team is pinning their ears back and blitzing almost every down, it’s practically criminally negligent that Martz would abandon the running game in a close game. Especially when you lead the league in sacks- against. This is basic fundamental stuff.
I think Martz see’s the weapons on this team and the potential talent at QB and WR, and sees an emerging heir to the Greatest Show on Turf and doesn’t have the discipline to to not stomp on the accelerator and show the world what this offense can do. There’s only one problem. We have a young, developing O Line that can’t handle a blitz, and even struggles against a 4 man rush.
Let’s ease into it. Break this thing in before we see what the top speed is. Run the ball. Get some cohesion on the Line. Develop these players. At this rate, we’re seriously going to Cutler hurt.
Run the ball.
Need to get the ball to Forte.
Maybe it’s me but I would rather see Matt release underneath or into the flats for a dump off then watch him try to figure out who he needs to block. He has the skill set to be most productive in space, not on dive plays or pass protection. Asking him to block is not utilizing his talents.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Just running the ball more, is not the answer.
Getting the entire offense on the same page is part of the answer. We’ve seen missed blocking assignments left & right. And we’ve seen miscommunication between receivers and QB entirely too much; Hot reads, accurate route running etc… If these things could get cleaned up, the O-line doesn’t have to be all that good.
The other part of the answer would be for Martz to stop forcing things. Deep QB drops, deep in your territory have been a no-no in football forever. Trying to catch a defense off guard is one thing, being reckless with a sub-par O-line is another.
I’m not going to pretend that I know more about football than Mike Martz. In fact he’s proven his worth in the first few games this year. We moved the ball at will against the Lions. The Dallas game was a work of art. I like what he did in the GB game as well.
Unfortunately he’s also shown how high risk is scheme can be, when everyone is not on the same page.
I will say some variety in Martz’s play-calling would be helpful and I’d say he knows it… You just don’t call different plays, just to call them and you don’t call run-plays, just to call them..
The purpose is to counter what your opponents are doing. What I’ve seen opponents doing, is coming hard and fast with their D-line and some blitzing. Mostly because Martz is calling for deep QB drops quite often. A variety of slants, screens, and draws would be great ways to counter this.
But the best way to counter (and I’m confident it’s been what Martz has been expecting time & time again, to his detriment), would be to get it right at the LOS. Hit your hot reads & know your blocking assignments!

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