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Quick- name the most dominant team in the NFC right now.  Weird, huh?  While the Bears are experiencing their annual offensive implosion, it seems like no one else in the NFC is really stepping up to take advantage of a very average 2010 season so far.  Having lost three of their last four games is unsettling for Bears fans, but we're not exactly losing a lot of ground right now.

This past offseason brought a lot of questions, and the first three games seemed like a lot of concern had been put to rest.  The defense was dominating, and the offense seemed to be making adjustments to make up for all of the glaring weaknesses with the offensive line.  Then, the questions resurfaced after being dominated by the Giants... and the questions remain four weeks later.  

We've seen that the Bears defense and Special Teams can keep us in games, but we know all too well that we can't rely on them to make magic happen week after week.  We can't plan on making a playoff run through simply a war of attrition.  Now, we get a week off to rethink some things.  One thing is for sure, the second half of the season won't do us any favors.

Star-divide

- For yet another week, the Bears best blocking TE Desmond Clark was inactive.  You know what else Dez brings to the table?  He fights for yards after the catch, and is difficult to tackle.  Outside of the infrequent contributions from Devin Aromashodu, we don't have anyone who is difficult to tackle.

- The Bears won the toss again to start the game, but decided to kick this week.  We forced Washington to punt in their first possession, and had a chance to take our offensive momentum into the second half.  Oops.

- Israel Idonije is developing into a very useful DE for us.  He is contributing more than Brown, Anderson, or Grant ever would have.

- Matt Toeaina continues to develop as well.  He's not making plays consistently enough, but he still needs more reps.  Matt will only get better.

- Tommie Harris still has play-making ability, but he's not doing it frequently enough either.  Unfortunately, he doesn't need more time.  He's either going to do it, or he's not.

- How many games have we started our first offensive drive with a false start penalty on the OL in the last three seasons?  Too many.

- How many times will we see the highlight of Albert Haynesworth steamrolling Chris Williams into Jay Cutler for the sack?  Too many.

- Pisa Tinoisamoa looks great.  Glad the guy is healthy.

- Charles Tillman is a liability in pass coverage, and is an asset in causing turnovers.  Catch-22.

- Danieal Manning is a great kickoff returner, but does not need to bring it out of the end zone when he catches the ball 5 yards deep.

- Our DBs cannot sustain pass coverage down the field.  This is not anything new.  Chris Harris, Danieal Manning, etc are good at run support, but we need a true free safety on the field in passing situations.  Major Wright will be back after the Bye week, but I'm not sure he will be any better.

- Brian Urlacher is proving his doubters wrong, week after week.

- Lance Louis is a mad man when pulling out as a lead blocker on screens.  The guy has a motor.

- Devin Hester does not fight for yardage after a catch.

- 1- and 3-step drops work well for our offense.

- I hope Lance Briggs' nagging ankle injury does not keep him out for the rest of the season.

- Jay Cutler was deadly accurate at the beginning of the season.  He made a lot of poor throws against the Redskins.

- Martz was on to something in the third quarter with his playcalling, but we need that consistency throughout a game, not just in spots.

- How many blocked/missed FGs have the Bears benefitted from in the last few years?  A lot.

- Was Rex Grossman listening to his iPod during the game on the sideline?

- Wouldn't it be cool to see the play clock go into negative numbers so you can really see how late a snap was?  Instead of seeing it stop at zero, maybe see it register -0.03 seconds, just to take the guess-work out of it?

- We've got two weeks to prepare for the Bills.  Ordinarily, that would be a comforting thought.  Lovie Smith hasn't exactly had his team prepared recently after the Bye week.

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pathetic display on offense

esp from qb and wrs. when will knox learn not to leave jay hanging out to dry?

by 62GTO on Oct 25, 2010 6:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Please!

no more excuses for Cutler. When is he going to be held accountable? You can put it on the receivers for a couple of those ints but most of his screw ups is of his own doing.

by Big Ike on Oct 25, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

he was awful yesterday.

that said, the offensive line is a disgrace. if you saw the patriots game yesterday, you’d see that brady has all day to throw. offensive line makes qbs and rbs.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

bitter irony

It’s ironic you said that, because when you look over at the Pats SB nation blog, one of the complaints from the Pats fans about yesterday’s game is that the O Line was letting Brady get hit too much.

It just goes to show you the difference in standard between what we expect from our O Line versus what they expect from theirs. We’re praying that we don’t give up a half dozen sacks a game. They expect not only to not give up sacks, but to not even let Brady get hit after he throws the ball. (And this is despite the fact that the Pats best offensive lineman, Logan Mankins, has been holding out all season.)

Two different teams. Two different cultures. Two different sets of expectations.

by JohnPaul on Oct 25, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, that's hilarious.

Complaining about Brady getting hit after the throw. What a nice thing to be able to do.

Yeah, he had 5+ seconds to survey the field multiple times.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can you hate on Cutler?

I understand that he had a god awful game yesterday, but this guy has been getting his ass kicked all season. He has had zero protection which is obviously effecting his play making decisions. He has become gun shy under center, I cant fault the guy. There is no quarterback in this league that has been hit more than him.

by BigDanz2000 on Oct 25, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cause he's a professional and making franchise QB money

Is that enough for you? If he doesn’t want to mature as a player, then the Bears should just cut ties with him after the season.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

But if you're going to rage about

accountability you need to hold EVERYONE accountable. If something isn’t Jay’s fault (ie, he threw to the spot and the receiver quit) than its not so much an excuse as a fair evaluation of what just happened.

Jay was very bad yesterday. He had company in that though too.

Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas

by Allie on Oct 25, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imo- I do think every Int was his fault

The only close would be the Knox throw, cause he didn’t break one way or another. Hester wasn’t even out of his break yet, with the ball already there, Hall jumped the route just like he did all game. Maybe an adjustment there would’ve helped? My point is when the coverage is like a blanket, maybe he should check off that receiver.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yah..

Something to remember though, this was Cutler’s first LEGIT “bad” game of the season. I.e. one where the 2nd half in particular can be blamed on him and not our 5 turnstiles standing in front of him. Sad to watch because we could’ve actually won that one if we had put the ball elsewhere, but it’s gotta happen once in awhile. They didn’t say he was a lot like a younger Farrve for nothing.

by Pretender85 on Oct 25, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Based on good fortune though

The GB and Seattle game he could’ve easily had a handful of interceptions.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dane...

You and I tend to agree here for the most part. I, like others, have to call out Knox and Hester for their utter lack of effort in trying to make the offense work. I respect that Knox will hustle in to block on running plays and breakaway runs/passes. But for heck’s sake, can he just concentrate on his primary job of catching the football. Yes, he has some decent stats, but if he goes after a few more less than perfect throws or doesn’t quit on HIS route, maybe Cutler doesn’t throw 4 picks. If Hester isn’t going to do more than catch the ball and drop to the ground (a la Isaac Bruce), then why have these guys as the primary WRs? Why not start Bennett and DA and put Knox and Hester in the slot or the weak side? I get that Hester and Knox have speed and that’s what Martz likes, but I still have doubts as to the overall quality of this WR corps. BTW, where the hell is Olsen if Dez is inactive?

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by LostInSTL on Oct 25, 2010 7:18 AM CDT reply actions  

not losing ground is nice

I guess, but you can’t watch this team’s last two games and see many more wins on the schedule. Is this the year Lovie actually coaches up his team?

Also, considering how poor the rest of the offense played when the line started playing well shows the quality of the talent there. They looked it was the preseason. I guess when your not very good and haven’t gotten.many in game touches you forget how to play.

Why are these receivers and Olsen not extending their arms and using their hands to catch balls? I don’t know how he blocked, but if it was poorly I see no reason for Olsen and manadisaster to be playing over Clark.

by mike b on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'd say we're losing A LOT of ground, Dane.

We’re 4-3, still atop the North, but the Packers have tied our record and are getting guys healthy. We’ve lost 3 games now to NFC opponents: Giants, Seahawks and Redskins are all teams who we may be fighting against for a wild-card spot and they have the tie-breakers against us. We have to win 6 of the remaining 9 games to possibly win our division or even to grab a wild-card spot and our schedule is entering into the difficult portion. This team should be 6-1 right now yet we’re barely holding on to our 1st place ranking in the division and still have no idea what we’re going to get from this offense each week. We’re in trouble and we’re losing ground. Things are not looking up anymore.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 25, 2010 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

It's still not time to panic

Plenty of games left and the Vikings are looking pretty beatable.

However, if we lose to the Bills, then it’s time for full-on, hands-to-the-face, head-on-fire, run-around-in-a-circle, freakout mode.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 25, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

We very well could lose to the Bills.

They put up 34 on the Ravens, we haven’t put up more than 27 all season. We do have plenty of games left but they are against the AFC East, Philly and divisional games, none of which will be a walk in the park.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 25, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would not be stunned

if the bills beat the Bears at this point since like the bills offense looks different with fitzpatrick at QB….

But if they do lose might as well fire Lovie right after that game…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

they look bearable

But I don’t think by the bears.

by mike b on Oct 25, 2010 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

*beatable

Stupid autocorrect.

by mike b on Oct 25, 2010 9:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's enough blame to go around,

but Cutler is looking more and more like Grossman just not as scared. Still holds the ball too long. He avoids sacks just to run into one anyway. Knox did give up on the route on one play but for the most part Cutler is started to look like a bad investment. The one silver lining, at least it all seals Lovie’s fate.

by Big Ike on Oct 25, 2010 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

And

Angelo’s…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been one of the more critical people on this site of Cutler since he's been a Bear...

not unhappy he’s here, just more willing to hold him accountable than most fans who never want to blame him for anything that goes wrong. He played poorly on only about 3 plays yesterday, which can kill you as a QB, but he also did some good things. There are two instances where I completely disagree with the critics/reporters. First, after watching several replays, I don’t think there was any way that Hester could have done anything to break up that one interception. Aikman has everyone claiming that he should have come back for the ball but after watching the play a few times, Hall had already made his break before Devin completed his route and it would have been physically impossible for him to “come back” at that point. Second, even though he’s taking heat for his comments after the game, I thought Jay really manned up and took the blame for the poor plays. I also kind of liked what he had to say about Hall. I want my players, especially my QB, to have an attitude. It reminded me of the Bear teams of the ‘80s who would never give an opponent credit after a loss. McMahon would always piss off someone with his comments no matter how outrageous and that’s what I saw in Jay’s post game session.

On the other side of the coin, I have never been a fan of Cutler’s accuracy as a passer. Since he’s become a Bear, his passes are rarely right on the money. Even his completions have the receivers having to stop, jump, or come back for the ball. We heard that his accuracy on deep balls was one of his best attributes, but other than the Aromashadu drop in the first game, I can’t think of another deep pass that has been on the money. One of the hallmarks of the Martz offense is to hit your receivers in stride and let them make a play but Jay always has our guys having to stop, reach back, or jump to make the catch. I know most people will blame that on the poor O-line and that’s true in some instances, but look at his performance over the last two seasons and even with time he rarely is on the money with his throws. There was one pass to Hester on an underneath route that would have been a first down yesterday where he missed him completely.

I am not optimistic about the rest of the schedule and, as Dane said, Lovie having 2 weeks to prepare for a team isn’t necessarily a good thing so even the Bills’ game isn’t a lock.

by BearFan611 on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

that Cutler’s mechanics are poor and he does not seem to have the desire to change that. However, it was still the right move for the Bears to get him. Where they have failed, IMO, is not getting the pieces in place around him to implement Martz’s offense. They needed a vet WR to help Knox/Hester/Bennett/DA develop the WR skills necessary to be successful. The o-line (with or without Tice) was not remotely qualified to block in this scheme. They needed a big, angry third-down-and-short back to get that 1-3 yards they cannot get otherwise. It could not have been designed more poorly considering Cutler’s shortcomings. The Bears need Cutler to be a great decision maker, strong leader, and mechanically disciplined QB. Those are not his strong suits. He’s a tough, mobile, strong-armed gun-slinger being asked to excel at his weaknesses. Thankfully, these coaches will be gone next season!

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by LostInSTL on Oct 25, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bears are run by morons

And that starts at the very top and the mccaskeys are not gonna sell this team so things will never get better. Sure the bears will have random 10-12 win seasons and make the playoffs but they will never build a team that contends consistently.

And as far as getting Cutler goes, it was a dumb ass move in hindsight. They already had jay cutler and his name was Rex grossman and their whole problem with grossman was he turned the ball over and made dumb decisions so they bench him for orton because he can manage games and limit his turnovers. So what do they do, go out and get the exact same qb as grossman whose biggest problem is he constantly screws up. Stupid decision.

by lopey986 on Oct 25, 2010 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't need to read the body of your message.

The subject field is enough. I agree with you and respect you, highly.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You probably should have

Because there’s a world of difference between Cutler and Grossman.

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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

But

its the cool hip thing to say Cutler = grossman….Dont you read the posts ? ….

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

A WORLD of difference?

Care to share? I don’t see much outside of Cutler being able to run (grossman was able to til he tore his acl). The biggest difference between the 2 is the way they carry themselves, I never see cutler pick up guys around him the way grossman used to do. When things are going bad cutler dissapears and sits by himself on the bench and sulks, grossman used to be moving around talking to everyone and telling them to keep their heads up and trying to rally guys.

by lopey986 on Oct 25, 2010 11:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're right.

I’m an idiot. The Chicago Bears should do whatever it takes to bring Rex Grossman back and put him behind this line. That’s going to go awesome.

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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oof, nowhere do I suggest bringing Grossman back.

How about not getting a very similar qb and expecting different results for once though.

I get that people are glad grossman is gone, I felt he got unfairly run over by the media and fans in Chicago during his time here but that’s the way it goes when you’re the qb. My main point is grossman at least took responsibility and tried to rally his teammates around him, cutler never does that. After a bad game Cutler loves to say “we” need to fix things, never “I”. Never I need to learn when to check down and when to throw the ball away and how to take what the defense gives me and stop closing my eyes and throwing 40 yards to no particular receiver and then pointing at the receiver for being in the wrong spot and then go sulk on the sideline with my head between my legs and never rally anyone around me and never LEAD this team. Cutler is a bitch and I finally see what everyone has been saying.

by lopey986 on Oct 26, 2010 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Its a fact that Cutler is better than Grossman.

Grossman had a way better O-line with him (which isnt saying much) and still sucked.

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by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as how they carry themselves...

Grossman was a mental basket case. Intimidated by the media, played scared often, etc.

I was actually a Grossman fan. He had all the tools [except for baby hands] necessary to be a decent QB, he just had mental problems.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not early he didn't.

The guys in the locker room loved him and he said and did all the right things. When he started to struggle in the superbowl season I can still remember him being the one to go around and pick guys up and rally them around him. I have never seen cutler tell a guy “keep your head up, we’ll get em next time”. When things start falling apart Cutler sits alone on the bench with his head between his legs just waiting to get the hell out of the stadium.

by lopey986 on Oct 26, 2010 9:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I definitely should have.

That second paragraph is not where I thought that was going.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

For Real

I like what you’re getting at here. Look at Orton – killer stats this year, competent last year. Yet, this was the second coming of Grossman as far as Chicago was concerned after he took the starting role. I’m convinced that Grossman could have been better. And Cutler has proven he can be good.

The problem is that management has no idea how to develop a QB and give him the tools necessary.

Fire Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right and, like I said, I'm not unhappy he's here, but a "franchise QB" needs to show more than he has

even under these cirucumstances.

Another thing, I forgot to mention, is why does Martz/Lovie refuse to even have DA in the lineup when we’re in the redzone? I’m not putting Aromashadu in the HOF but he’s our biggest WR and is the only one who really tries to make a play on the ball but he’s never on the field at that time. He made a great block on one of Forte’s runs so he’s doing the things he’s supposed to do to get out of the doghouse but it seems like they are still trying to punish him by not even attempting to get him the ball.

He and Olsen should be weapons in the redzone but we’re trying to sneak it from a long one.

by BearFan611 on Oct 25, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen brother...

DA and Olsen are the 2 best “pass catchers” on the team and Martz is asking Knox and Hester to be the red zone guys? Who’s he trying to outsmart?

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by LostInSTL on Oct 25, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Earl Bennett

is the best pass catcher on the team. He is also the best WR at fighting for extra yards after the catch.

by Fridge72 on Oct 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett...

is great over the middle and between the 20’s, but he disappears in the red zone. Don’t get me wrong, Bennett is a true asset and probably should be starting opposite DA, IMO. He’s a classic possession WR (a la Bobby Engram) who’s good at moving the chains. It’s a shame the Bears don’t use him more in the red zone, he may be just what is needed.

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by LostInSTL on Oct 26, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Engram

strikes me as a good comparison for Bennett. The disappearing act in the red zone is a frustrating team wide problem.

by Fridge72 on Oct 26, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw the same thing
I don’t think there was any way that Hester could have done anything to break up that one interception.

He wasn’t even out of his break yet and he’s supposed to defend a pass that was thrown too early? The bad part is why Martz didn’t call for a pump fake and go deep on Hall, cause he was “jumping” every route.

I can’t think of another deep pass that has been on the money. One of the hallmarks of the Martz offense is to hit your receivers in stride and let them make a play but Jay always has our guys having to stop, reach back, or jump to make the catch.

The two TD passes to Forte versus the Lions were perfectly thrown. Yesterday, Bennett’s catch at the goaline was pretty as well.

Count me in as officially being off Cutler’s bandwagon. He refuses to make adjustments or to take what the defense gives him. IMO- he’s just as worthless as the Sex Cannon.

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by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your frustration but I'm not ready to jump ship yet....

my biggest concerns are his accuracy not being good enough and his ability to check down to his second or third options. I can’t say he won’t ever be able to do those things but he hasn’t shown improvement in either area yet. If the o-line can perform like they did in the second half against Buffalo, there shouldn’t be any excuse for Jay not to play up to his potential in that game. If that’s the case, it might help his confidence going forward.

All that being said, if Martz and Lovie don’t get their acts together, it doesn’t matter what Cutler does. I wasn’t unhappy with Martz’ game plan yesterday, although when your running game is picking up 4 and 5 yards a crack like Forte and Taylor were doing I can’t see why you’d go away from it until they stop you, but that’s just my opinion. The bigger issues is adjusting to opportunities that present themselves during the game and using all of your weapons. Don’t we have any formations where Hester and Knox run deep routes on opposite sides of the field? It seems that with 2 of the fastest players in the NFL on the field at the same time, we’d be able to get one of them open when the safety help takes the bait on the other. And, I’ll get on my soapbox again, get Aromashadu involved in the passing game again, especially in the redzone. And let’s see why we spent the money on Chester Taylor! He needs more touches during the game.

by BearFan611 on Oct 25, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree bro

Chester Taylor should get more touches but especially in the Red Zone. I also thought whoever was in the press box for the Bears and saw that Jay broke the line the line with the football on the goaline should of screamed on the top of their lungs for Lovie to challenge. Heck if Lovie would of called a TO and then challenged i still would not be angry with the call, that touchdown we needed, and would of won with it. It’s always a couple plays that just makes me wish we had a competent coach, someone like Reid, Fisher, heck even that new coach for Detroit has more potential it seems then Lovie.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not true on Hester with that pick

he was frickin standing there waiting for the ball to come to him. Come back to the damn ball and make a play, just fricking standing there like he usually does. He doesn’t have a clue how to play wr.

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by tfrabotta on Oct 25, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

WRs since pee wee were taught to attack the ball.

That what annoys me about Hester he never does that. That pick was on him. Cutler made a pass he should catch like nobody was there. Hester just stood there he should GO TO THE BALL instead of just standing there best he could have done was knock it down and he didn’t even do that. He shouldn’t start in any offense period. Slot yes, starter hell no.

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by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1,000,000

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

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by tfrabotta on Oct 25, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Simple explanation

He hasn’t been a WR since Pee Wee.

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by Kev H on Oct 26, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Despite everything else

If Lovie Smith challenges the Cutler sneak play, we get 7 points there and as bad as the ’Skins were playing, we probably win that game.

Lovie Smith has to go. Either he’s incompetent, or else the staff he has surrounded himself with is incompetent. If the stupid TV people had enough time to replay that play and see that Cutler had broken the plane of the goal line, how in the world does the Bears coaching staff not see the same thing and throw the challenge flag?

That was the ballgame right there.

by JohnPaul on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

+1...

I have watched the replay and I agree, whether it’s on consecutive plays or not, that was a TD and Lovie let it get away. Further, why challenge the Bennett play? The worst outcome was a first and goal at the one. Even though the Bears are terrible at short yardage, they proved Cutler can get 1 yard. This series of coaching decisions are exactly why Lovie has got to go.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!

"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"

by LostInSTL on Oct 25, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lovie was hoping...

…that Bennett made it in the endzone cuz he knows they can score from the 1 yard line. I dont blame him…

by Rampage997 on Oct 25, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, but they did.

I saw it. On video.

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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

More importantly

If you’re going to call all of your challenges based on emotion, anyways, then why not trust your QB that he got the ball over the line?

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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Lovie’d soiled himself and didn’t want anyone to find out. Meh, I got nothing.

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by Spongie on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't care

All he was concerned with was losing another timeout. Remember the Seattle game? How is an entire coaching staff that clueless?

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I maintain

That on January 3rd, the Bears brass are going to march out and give Lovie and Angelo one more year due to the 4-1 start and the labor unrest.

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Oct 25, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It perplexes me to no end why Lovie continues to challenge plays that have no real impact on the game. He has done this before… why in hell would you challenge a 1st and goal from the 1-yrd line and not challenge a fumble which should have been a TD?!?! Either Lovie is an imbecile or he has surrounded himself with a blind video review crew (which means Lovie is an imbecile either way).

I don’t like how the defense plays the same Tampa-2 year after year. Teams adjust and create new schemes, we’re sticking to the same plays. As evidence in the Seattle game, if you watch the tape against us and call the right plays we’re screwed. SEA players even came out and said it, “we watched tape and saw how to beat them, then we executed.” It’s simple… Lovie needs to go!!!

by Hellsedge on Oct 25, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lovie was so pissed...

his crew in the booth have been wrong so many times, after they blew the call on Bennett’s play, he didn’t trust them to call another challenge.

by MEATaylor on Oct 25, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont know people keep dogging Alex Brown

We never got to play with anyone that was as good as julius peppers.

I think he would have flourished or atleast been as good as Izzy

Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.

by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 25, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with you

I never dogged Alex Brown and it’s clear other D-linemen are benefitting from the Freak.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have just taken

the approach of hey if they win great cool beans….If they lose that means one step closer to ousting the current regime…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

sadly bud

I have taken the same stance it seems. Man i was just so excited though after that Cowboys game, it gave me hope for the season. I can’t remember the last game i was that excited for after a win..it’s been a couple years at least.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was right there

with ya….Before the season I thought 5 or 6 wins but after the wins at dallas and vs green bay I thought holy cow maybe they have turned the corner and martz has learned to adjust a little bit….Then BAM! ugh……

Then Allie stated just enjoy the season as it goes cause martz is martz and then it hit me…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They had to win the Seattle and Washington games

Without those 2 wins this offense has zero confidence and momentum and this team is staring down the barrel of a 6-10 season. They are gonna need some serious luck to even win 4 of their last 9 games and I just can’t see anyway they win 6 or 7 to win the division.

And the best team in the NFC is pretty clearly Atlanta. They lost in ot to pittsburgh and lost on the road to Philly which are both tough losses but they should win 10-12 games and land the 1 seed in the NFC.

by lopey986 on Oct 25, 2010 9:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Until Atlanta proves to me they can win on the Road

I am not even giving them their Division this year. New Orleans will clean some things up and win that division imo.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of my thoughts about the game...

The goods…

- FINALLY converted on a 3rd down!!! I stood and applauded at my TV…

- I liked how the O-line played especially in the 2nd half. They gave Cutler plenty of time during the drives that looked promising, but ultimately turned bad. It’s a start I guess…

- Idonije looks like a beast out there. He’s definitely benefiting from Peppers being on the other side the last 3-4 games.

- Manning’s interception was amazing! He’s such a good athlete, but I really wish he was a true FS…

- Tillman is a thief…nuff said. How many fumbles did he force? 2-3?? haha…makes me laugh everytime.

- I actually liked Lovie’s first challege when Bennett appeared to have a TD, even though it wasn’t. I said to myself “This is Lovie’s best challege he’s done, ever”. More on this later…

And the bads…

- Cutler and the WR’s are just not in sync. Bad throws, reads, giving up on routes, drops, not trying to break up the pass so the defenders dont catch the ball…all around bad for them.

- When did Forte turn into Adrian “fumble fingers” Peterson??

- I dont think I’ll be able to get Chris Williams’ sack on Cutler outta my head for awhile. Chris WIlliams should get credit for that sack, not Haynesworth. That was bad. Chris is not a guard. period.

- I’ve been saying the last 4-5 weeks, why Dez isnt playing?? It really makes no sense. He can block just as good (and probably better than) Manu. PLUS he’s another weapon outta the backfield or when hes lined up! They are really missing out on offense production w/ him being not active or on the bench.

- Lovie totally coulda redeemed his 1st challenge by challenging the next play, which I thought was a TD. Another blown opportunity on the 1 yard line…ugh. What are they like 0 for 4 from the 1 yard line???

by Rampage997 on Oct 25, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

0 for 12

from one yard and in IIRC from CTL (that would include yesterday)….

O line did seem to play a little better with Edwin Williams sitting on the sideline…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

you reminded me

I think its time Taylor gets the majority of the rushing touches.

As bad as some of those WRs routes were run, not many of those balls should have been thrown. Still most its on Cutler. If da’s first game got him in the doghouse this one should get Knox in there.

by mike b on Oct 25, 2010 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's My Prediction

on what Lovie Dobbie says in the upcoming newswires:

“We’re still 4-3, not many teams have a good record like that”
“Jay is our quarterback”
“Our O-line was great”
“Martz is still a genius”
“Mike McCasky likes me and he will keep me”
“Ive got two more years on my contract and I’ll be getting an extension”
“Haters gonna hate”

by Gaak on Oct 25, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Dane, you pretty much nailed my thoughts on the game with your notes & scribbles

Some bright spots, some ugly spots.

IMHO, there is only one way we make the playoffs this year. And that’s to sweep the division. A tall order; no doubt.

Packers remaining schedule

@ Jets-L
Cowboys-W
@Vikings-L
@Falcons-L
49ers-W
@Lions-W
@Patriots-L
Giants-W
Bears-L

Pack finishes 8-8

Vikings remaining schedule

@Patriots-L
Cardinals-W
@Bears-L
Green Bay-W
@Redskins-L
Bills-W
Giants-L
Bears-L
@Eagles-L
@Lions-W

Vikes finish 6-10

Bears remaining schedule

@Bills-W
Vikings-W
@Dolphins-L
Eagles-L
@Lions-W
Patriots-L
@Vikings-W
Jets-L
@Packers-W

Bears finish 9-7

None of the remaining division games will be easy (and Buffalo is no pushover).

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

you know

If Maritza would stick with the game plan that moved the ball, and Cutler could get his head out of his ass I wouldn’t totally write them off. Although then we would still have the receivers to worry about.

by mike b on Oct 25, 2010 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm with you mike b

I liked Martz’s game plan this week and the defense is among the best in the league. IF Cutler would remove his head from his own buttocks along with the WRs stepping up their game, we can win this division by default.

Green Bay & Minnesota are just as good and bad as we are.

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

"None of the remaining division games will be easy"

And yet you have the Bears winning all of them.

Anyway, Fire Lovie. Also, the Bears will be lucky to win 2 more games the way they’re playing lately.

by celerysalt on Oct 25, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love your optimism...

but I dont see the Bears beating the Packers again and winning 2 against the Viks, even though they are playing bad. I see the Bears finishing 2nd in the division w/ a 6-10 or 7-9 record. Only games left for the Bears that should be “easy wins” are the Bills and Lions, but I wouldnt count them out…

by Rampage997 on Oct 25, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unlike last week, I saw things this week that gave me optimism

We were out coached, out manned, and out played last week.

Win, lose, or draw… We as a team played better this week.

 Take away the turnovers and we won (IMHO mental errors, a la turnovers, are easily correctable mistakes) .

This game reminded me of the Lions game in week 1. Able to move the ball with good play calling and made some plays on defense. Again, just too many turnovers.

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easily correctable?

If they are so easily correctable then why do we keep making the same errors game in and game out?

Maybe they would be correctable under a good coaching staff and a good staff this is not.

by lopey986 on Oct 25, 2010 11:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lol, we do make plenty of mistakes

But I don’t think there the same week to week. Other than the O-line, which will continue to be a weaker area of this team.

Detroit, Week 1- turnovers
Dallas, Week 2- protection
Green Bay, Week 3- protection
NY Giants, Week 4- protection, a scrambled brain QB, and bad offensive play-calling
Carolina, Week 5- Todd Collins
Seattle, Week 6- horrible offensive game plan, uninspired play and coaching across the board
Washington, Week 7- turnovers

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but

those turnovers will continue cause that’s the hallmark of Mart’z offense and Cutler’s horrible tendencies.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be

But with that said, yesterday was the first time the turnovers actually cost us a game.

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah so

far this season…..martz has shown he is going to pass it 80% of the time and give to poops what the fans or media wants / says because he has a Super Bowl ring…..So I am expecting more INTs and plenty more sacks…..(put the over / under at 25 INTs and 60 sacks at the beginning of the season)…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm already predicting that Buffalo will beat us

They’re starved and desperate for a win, while the Bears have Rex part deux on their hands. I’m serious when I say I’d rather have any other starting QB in the league on the Bears than one Jay Cutler.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, your really pissed after this one ain't cha?
while the Bears have Rex part deux on their hands. I’m serious when I say I’d rather have any other starting QB in the league on the Bears than one Jay Cutler.

Stop listening to all the Bronco fans out there bro!

They just got their asses handed to them by Al Davis.

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda of funny

reading at various forums that bronco fans want Cutler back (along with hillis, scheffler, and marshall) and Bear fans want orton back…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so frustrated about his play

The difference is that the Bears gave up a ton (money and picks) for this guy. The Broncos are no better, but at least their offense isn’t to blame.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's fair

For me though, I still like Cutler over Orton.

And as much as I’d like to come down on Cutler, for a terrible performance this week… He is with a 3rd offensive coordinator in as many years.

We knew there’d be days like this in 2010… No doubt this was one of them.

Fact of the matter is, he’s the most talented QB the city of Chicago has ever seen under center. And to throw him out after just two seasons, I believe would be a big mistake. In Jay’s short time here, he’s had one coordinator that probably will never hold the same position in the NFL ever again. And another that has yet to complete his first season with this organization. All while playing behind one of the worst O-lines I’ve ever seen at any level.

I’m not gonna rush to judgement on whether he’s the guy to get it done in Chicago or not… Let’s see how the season plays out, however painful it may or may not be.

by rdent4hof on Oct 25, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

that Cutlers current OC would not be in the NFL if not for a desperate Bears team and pretty much sure that if martz fails here he will not be in the NFL ever again….

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

?

Their redzone offense when the game is still in doubt is horrendous, sctually worse than the bears.

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-

by tfrabotta on Oct 25, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know bro

After watching this team what makes you think we will sweep the Queens?

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i got cut off

Was gonna say I don’t know bro.

That seems very unlikey that we will sweep the Queens, I am not even seeing a win at home, i need to see a complete game where i don’t throw up in my mouth at least twice on few occasions.

by Chitownproduct on Oct 25, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler needs to ride the pine

The offensive line that everyone complains about played very well in the second half, and on pretty much all his INTs he had plenty of time to make the right decisions. I’m sorry, but Jay is not the answer at QB, and the sooner they realize this the better. He’s one of the worst at checking down and taking what the defense gives him.

The four interceptions were all on him. Please don’t give this crap about the WRs cutting off their routes, or they should fight for the ball. It’s an old argument, and holds no water because those passes to Hester and Knox were thrown even before the WRs had a chance to make a move. Both times Hall jumped the routes; not much a WR can do, except expect their QB to go elsewhere with the ball.

I truly believed Martz would bring the best out of him, but it’s painfully obvious that no one can straighten him out. Maybe he’ll “get it” when he’s in his 30s and on another team.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

you thought

something better would happen with martz as OC ?2 Hallmarks of his offenses are Sacks and INTs even when he had 5 HOFs…..

IIRC going back to 2003 its something like 22 INTs, 52 sacks, with about 20 PPG on avg a season…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Panic time already now eh?

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

This has been such a frustrating season

After a 3-0 September, we have gone 1-3. Now we need a 3-1 November just to stay alive because December is quite brutal still. I don’t know what to say that hasn’t already been said. I think the Martz experiment might be working out as well as the Shea experiment. I thought everyone had decided from last year and ‘08 that Cutler needed a running game to succeed? I’d be happy if we went to a 60/40 pass/run split b/c right now we’re doing like 70/30. Ideally I’d like Martz to be at like 55/45.

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought I'd be making this post far later in the season than I am...

Welcome to the Lovie Smith Farewell Tour, 2010! In this 17 week cross country extravaganza, you’ll see shocking moments of ineptitude, ignorance, and plain old stupidity! From the General Manager who notes that our offensive line is terrible, yet scuttles yet ANOTHER draft for a bad defensive lineman that doesn’t play, then unloads the kitty for a bad defensive lineman that gets cut, then unloads the kitty for yet ANOTHER bad defensive lineman; to the head coach that clearly has zero respect for the fans and their intelligence; to the offensive coordinator that has his head so far up his own @$$ that he can’t see that his franchise quarterback is getting mauled every single play; to the franchise quarterback that has clearly given up on the season; to the football clueless team president that seems to have never once watched an actual NFL football game and spends more time bean counting than actually doing his work! Heart-stopping action and intense pressure from a team clearly in denial about its own identity and the weaknesses of an organization! And it’s all yours to browse for the low, low price of…

sound of a TV being turned off

I would rather play Pokemon Ranger than watch any more of this crap…

by Doshi on Oct 25, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh c'mon and man up

Stop sugar-coating this stuff and tell everyone how you really feel!

by Dirt Road on Oct 25, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goaline challenge

Did Lovie not challenge cause he was scared about losing another timeout? Little did he know the Bears wouldn’t score a single point all second half despite getting a crapload of yards. I think I just saw Jay force another ball into tight coverage.

"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo

by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's a real Halloween type scary statistic for you

If you combine Defensive and Special Teams scores, Sacks, INT’s and Recovered Fumbles, our Bears are the 8th best team in getting them.
They are also 31st in giving them up, with only San Diego worse.
No way you win when you are 31st. If they don’t fix this, nothing else they do is going to much matter.

by Dirt Road on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I find it really funny that some people here want Jay gone....

Is it a coincidence that he started playing poorly when he got here? In Denver he was protected by a good O-Line, had better receivers, had better coaching, fit in Shanahan’s system and was a Pro Bowler. Every year he played more he improved. It’s here that he became the QB that throws a billion INT’s. Here he has average receivers and a horrific O-Line. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Jay’s decision-making has become a product of his lack of trust in the guys protecting him. Even Troy Aikman said he saw that. And while he was guilty of some bad throws in Denver it was NEVER at this scale. Also his decision-making has worsened because no one is willing to tell him. That is the problem. I can bet Shanahan and Bates were all over Jay whenever he made a dumb mistake. Since he’s been here I haven’t seen that. I think they should threaten Cutler with demotion because it will set him straight. The coaches have been caught up in the whole “Jay is our savior thing” and that’s not just bad for them but for the growth of Jay as well. This is his 3rd new system in 3 years and at this rate he will be learning his 4th next year. It’s very easy to criticize him for some of the stuff he does and a lot of it is valid. But people have to look at the total picture. Orton wasn’t a Pro Bowl caliber QB here. And judging by the last 2 weeks, he might not be this year either. The O-Line Rex played behind was pretty decent. The year he was a full starter the Bears had a great running game and he did have a good amount of time to throw. The line wasn’t great but it was serviceable. Rex made those dumb decisions all on his own. With Jay it’s a mix of everything. I will stand behind Jay until he proves he can’t play behind a serviceable line and good receivers and I don’t care what the meatheads say because it is very typical of us Bears fans to overreact in a monumental fashion. I love my fellow Bears fans but I can respectfully disagree with a some of your assessments of Jay. Bear down boys!

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rational thinking

i LIKE IT!

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say the Bears give him the McNabb treatment and bench him midgame.......

and have him tear it up the rest of the year like McNabb did a couple seasons back

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is

Kolb is their future QB. While Hanie is not.

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah but my point is..

McNabb was playing terribly and if I remember Kolb didn’t do much better. That was a wake up call for Donovan and I believe that he proceeded to take them to the NFC title game. And Jay is our future

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

that the O line is going to magically start protecting him or the WR play will take it up a notch or a game magically appear to help the offense become more balance and take help take some pressure off Cutler…..

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

well I said Jay will play better not become Jesus. That line will still blow....

but Jay will at least either take the sack or throw it away and his receivers will feign interest in fighting for jump balls. So the rest of the offense will appear to want to be better

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

Like the Jesus line….very nice….

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

should've mentioned that Martz isn't using Cutler's strengths either.....

Even Shanahan has said that Jay moving out of the pocket to throw makes him a lot more dangerous and when Turner started doing that last year Jay looked good. Another damning assessment of the coaching staff

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but

remember when Jay was signed, most people claimed he made the receivers in Denver good. I don’t think you can make that case anymore. Also, wasn’t Denver’s o-line a pretty maligned group last season? I’m not saying they’re as bad as the Bears this year but they weren’t stellar either.

Not trying to argue with you or say you were one of the people who took these positions in the past, just trying to point out the discrepancies that fans make when they’re blinded by the big name signings.

by BearFan611 on Oct 25, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Denver has a decent O-Line

To my knowledge and having watched Orton the last couple of years, I would disagree.
The Broncos O-Line is half decent and light years ahead of the Bears in blocking technique, run-blocking, cohesiveness, etc.
Watch Orton throw and just count the seconds versus what Jay has.

by Dirt Road on Oct 25, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

to Jay

Orton has ages to throw. Cutler is behind an an UFL O line.

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't really know how good their line is, I'm just saying that

when Jay came over here that was what we heard and people were saying how Orton would get killed behind them.

by BearFan611 on Oct 25, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC

the seattle game mentioned that behind pretty much the same o line denver currently has Cutler was sacked around 20 times….Since coming to Chicago he has been sacked 73 times already (including the wash game now)….SEVENTY THREE……

That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.

-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football

by CloudyFuture on Oct 25, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I agree but last year I think was more of an indictment of Orton's mobility......

Because in Jay’s last year in Denver he was only sacked 11 times. While I think Denver’s line is better than ours (who isn’t) I probably should’ve worded it a little clearer. But in Denver I think it was a little bit of both with Jay and the receiving core making each other look good. I think that’s why DA should never be off the field. Jay tends to overthrow or underthrow and a big guy with decent hands can make a play on it. He can be Brandon Marshall ultra-lite here but Martz is a stubborn jackwagon

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the reasons why I was against Martz being here.

Was becuase he is a stubborn jackwagon

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 25, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude I agree. I NEVER wanted Martz here but with Lovie it was bound to happen

And im tired of everyone harping on his Rams days. That was a decade ago and he had Hall of Fame talent. He may have added points to the teams he went to after but he did not make them better. He damn near killed those QB’s and I’m pretty sure John Kitna is brain dead

by frenchbears113 on Oct 25, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confirmed

Jon Kitna’s recent IQ test was matched against two dozen monkees throwing darts at the question. The monkees score of 4 actually doubled Jon’s. The test was totally unfair as the monkees had never been consussed.

by Dirt Road on Oct 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m fairly certain there were only 4 Monkees.

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by Spongie on Oct 25, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just have to be positive

Ig it wasn’t for turnoveritis, our offense would be doing really well, and our Defense is pretty dominant. With a bye week to heal up some injuries and game-plan, hopefully we come out strong.

by DaHamsta on Oct 25, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

and

we still have Garrett Wolfe!

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

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by tfrabotta on Oct 25, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Aren’t you excited?

by DaHamsta on Oct 25, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game Plan during a bye week?

You forget how they always seem to play after a bye week….

by David in Maine on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed mostly

But I do think having Brown here would be nice.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 25, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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