Mike Martz Approval Rating: Round Three
In what is now a weekly feature here at WCG, we're interested in knowing how you feel about offensive coordinator Mike Martz.
Here is the very first poll we had, right after the loss to the Giants.
Here is the next poll, right after the loss to the Seahawks.
We've put some statistics after the jump, which I'd encourage you to take a look at before voting, to help you in your perspective. Plus, there's some neat stuff in there to spur discussion.
There's a lot of disconnect over the Martzfense right now. Disconnect between Martz and the Head Coach. Disconnect between Martz and Cutler. Disconnect between Cutler and the receivers. There were, however, plenty of connections with D. Hall.
But the Bears knew what they were getting themselves into, right? They were aware of his past, many of them had worked with him before. Surely, someone somewhere mentioned that problems could be ahead. (Besides the fans, of course.)
Just a heads up, all stats come from Pro Football Reference, which, if you're a numbers dork, is the only place you'll ever want to go.
| Passing Statistics by Team (Best Overall Record) |
| Year | Team | Rec. | Comp. | Att. | Comp. % | Yards | TD | Int. | Y/C | Y/G | Sacks | Yds/S |
| 2010 | Bears | 4-3 | 126 | 215 | 58.6 | 1606 | 7 | 12 | 12.7 | 229.4 | 31 | 193 |
| 2008 | 49ers | 7-9 | 309 | 509 | 60.7 | 3724 | 21 | 19 | 12.1 | 232.8 | 55 | 345 |
| 2007 | Lions | 7-9 | 368 | 587 | 62.7 | 4216 | 19 | 22 | 11.5 | 263.5 | 54 | 338 |
| 2001 | Rams | 14-2 | 379 | 551 | 68.8 | 4903 | 37 | 22 | 12.9 | 306.4 | 40 | 240 |
So as we can see above, no offense was as explosive as the Rams was, but that's largely based on personnel. The later teams fall into a range not unlike what the Bears are in right now. So for fun, let's extrapolate the current season averages across a full season.
| Season Projections(based on current averages) |
| Year | Team | Rec. | Comp. | Att. | Comp. % | Yards | TD | Int. | Y/C | Y/G | Sacks | Yds/S |
| 2010 | Bears | ? | 288 | 491 | 58.6 | 3671 | 16 | 27 | 12.7 | 229.4 | 71 | 442 |
So what does this tell us? At current averages, the offense is under traditional pace, but realistically, they mean nothing.
But why, Kev? They're obviously on pace to get 71 sacks. Well, yes and no. 10 sacks came out of that game against the Giants. The average without that game is about 3.5. While still a very bad number, not quite as bad as the numbers suggest, as that'd round out to about the mid 50s.
Yes, by and large, looking at the numbers from other teams simply won't matter. However, if the Bears offense can generate something around those numbers, they're actually in pretty good shape. Why is that? Those other teams didn't have something the 2010 Bears have. They didn't have this defense. They didn't have these special teams players.
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It's really disconcerting to be the first to vote
You think everyone agrees to you until you see “1 Vote”
I'm leaning Derkim Nose at the moment.
by Jorek Roah or Derkim Nose? on Oct 25, 2010 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
This league is about winning games, and we havent done that as of late because of his pass-happy ways
by chicago030 on Oct 25, 2010 7:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That's not the reason the Bears have lost games.
It’s the talent, not the play-calling.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t ask mediocre talent to do something that’s beyond its capability, though. That, I feel, is at least part of the problem with Martz.
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Things that are beyond their capability: blocking
The worse game – the one against the Giants – was totally outside of his control. Almost all those sacks came with the Giants rushing 4 defenders against 7-8 Bears. They jumped routes and left nothing quick/short open. No offensive coordinator in the history of football calls a game that gets the team a win in that situation.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 25, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
One bad game could be forgiven.
Take away the Dallas game and you have a total pile of crap on offense.
Awful on 3rd down. Complete resistance to either adjust when things aren’t working OR to stick with something that IS working.
The Dallas game was the best stretch of ball this team has played. And even that was only 3 quarters. They’ve regressed since then.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
They moved the ball at will in the Washington game.
Turnovers killed them, not scheme.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 26, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
We did have over 460 yards against the Lions
just sayin..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
so is the answer to ask mediocre talent to do mediocre things?
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 26, 2010 5:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The answer is to get better than mediocre talent.
Truthfully, I would settle for a mediocre line. This line isn’t even that good. It’s atrocious.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 26, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the talent for sure
Cutler is very talented at throwing the ball to the other team.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Really than who called all those passes ??
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
do u really think that if they had called 30 more runs we would have won yesterday?
I just dont see it, lack of execution cost this game and quite frankly Lovie’s busted challenge or lack there of it on the next play didn’t help. Martz was working with what he was given, we had crappy field position most of the game, he was simply playing the hand he was dealt, too bad that hand was a a pair of 3’s this week.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Oct 25, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No but I'll bet we don't throw 4 INT's .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I also think we came out on the losing end of some questionable calls by Zebras
We have been coming out on the right side of these type of calls so far, this week we our luck ran out. Still no excuse but didn’t help.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Oct 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope. They would have had 35 more rushing yards.... on those 30 extra carries.
Martz has nothing to work with here. And his game adjustments in at least two games (Cowboys, Redskins) were good enough to win.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 25, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
Martz and great adjustment in the same sentence. I thought it was a great adjustment when down by 3 with 2 minutes + left on the clock to call to go routes side by side and have the QB (the one who in case you missed it led the league in INTs last year) chuck it when he’s already thrown 3 ints behind a line that has given up a ton of sacks.
Look no further than the MNF game last night; Dallas refuses to run the ball 1-5 Giants commit to running the ball 5-2. Guess what Eli also gets stats and they run from a spread offense with 3 WR on the field and a TE in the backfield.
Uh, news flash.
Shawn never said great adjustment.
“His game adjustments…were good enough to win.”
I understand your Martz hate, but let’s not misquote people.
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my apologies for misquoting
I don’t “hate” Martz either … what I do disapprove of is the current game plan which does not promote the strengths of its players.
My references to the records of the two teams in the micro analysis can be for last night Giants down early continued to run the ball. Something our team won’t do even when down by less than one score or by 10 with an entire half to go. Or in the Macro Dallas is 1-5 despite having some “quality” running backs and refusing to run the ball or NY Giants are 5-2 because they commit to having some balance.
We didn’t lose Sunday’s game (completely) because of Martz. We lost the game on Sunday because of turnovers. However to put Jay in a situation where you are calling a go route with 2+ minutes left when he has 3 ints is not a wise decision. You play to your players and your teams strength. We had been moving the ball with consistency and to put Cutler in a position where he struggles is not on Jay Cutler it is on Martz. I think by now we all know that Jay will try to make that pass downfield.
I look at it this way
Martz called a game that accounts for 280 yards, and nearly 400 if Cutler doesn’t throw 4 picks.
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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But the major reason for the picks ....
…. was that same play calling . When the D knows your gonna pass and that all they gotta do is defend the pass it makes it much easier to defend . Also 2 of those picks are on the recievers as they quit on their routes . Another thing here didn’t Martz say its the WR’s job to be in the right place & all Jay does is throw to where the WR is supose to be ?
Yards are great and all but balance is the key to winning . And like Fridge72 pointed out 40 passes to only 16 runs ain’t balanced .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
Hypothetical, then—say Jay has 350+ and 3TDs, and the Bears win handily. Should I still expect you to admonish him for a 75/25 split?
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by Kev H on Oct 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good one!
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 25, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes . While those numbers are ....
…. great it still means we are one dimensional and balance is what we need to win on a consistent basis .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I call BS
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I agree, saying that is taking the easy way out.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 26, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I concur
Would I like to see more runs? Of course. Do I think there’s some arbitrary ratio they should stick to? No. If the Bears win I wouldn’t care if there was a game where they didn’t hand it off once.
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smart man
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Call BS all you like homie ....
…. I don’t mince words and if I say it its what I mean . I’d be willing to lose one ( where Jay has great numbers ) game to win several and thats what a balanced attack could do . And Ditkavsworld I never take the easy way out so feel free to call me on whatever you think you need to .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 26, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It is certainly Ok
to do that sometimes, but you also have to take what they are giving you. If the defense has geared themselves up to stop our passing game and is not ready to play against the run, then we should run the ball.
I would never expect every game to be a 50-50 split between run and pass, but 25-75 every game doesn’t seem to be getting it done.
Heck 60-40 would be nice .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like
60-40. I think the Bears will be able to pass the ball a lot better if they can make some other teams respect our run game. Not to mention being able to run the ball is a good idea in Chicago around December.
It's be nice but what if we lose every time?
You still good with it? I don’t care the ratio as long as it results in a W, stats are for Pro Bowl voters and Fantasy Football. I want to see Wins and that’s it how it happens is irrelevant.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 26, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or
How about not be careless with the football when throwing it 60% of the time? There was zero pressure on Jay on all of his picks.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Yes, Yes I do.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 26, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sgt Hulka..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
So this week would be disapprove?
I am with you on the wins and losses, the only important stat
by TheMan1 on Oct 26, 2010 10:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing everyone is forgetting on those picks where "the receivers quit on their routes" is
it should have been obvious to Cutler that the coverage on that receiver was to tight to even try and force the throws. I really don’t believe that Hester quit on the route and was not in position to “come back” and even if Knox had continued his route, it looked like the ball was way out in front anyway. Also, isn’t part of Martz’ scheme based on if the defender is in position to make a play there should be an adjustment by both the QB and WR? Unless I’m mistaken both of those plays, as well as the two picks that everyone agrees were Jay’s fault, those were the primary targets. Cutler definitely has trouble identifying when his first route is covered and takes too long to pick up his second/third options. That, along with bad line play, is what contributes to his sack totals in my opinion and the primary reason for his interception totals as well.
You are correct
Everyone assumes it’s the responsibility of the WR to break up awful passes by Jay. Hester had no chance to come back to the ball, and we really have no idea what Knox’s read was on the slant pass. Either way, Jay is making the wrong reads by not going to his second or third options.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
No but you can attempt ....
… to help your QB out .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 25, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
your right, when you quit you have no chance to come back for the ball
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 26, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Check out Dan Pompei's column in the Tribune this morning
and after watching the tape, he saw what propheteer and I saw…..
They looked better on tape than they did at the stadium. Neither Devin Hester nor Johnny Knox was in position to break up any of Cutler’s interceptions, as has been inferred. Knox ran his routes well. Aside from a fourth-quarter drop, Knox did what he was supposed to and had a nice game.
Exactly
Is it that difficult for him to go somewhere else with the ball? You know, to someone who is actually open? Every defender knows that Jay loves to stare down his primary receiver. Go ask someone over at MHR about his tendencies when he was a Bronco. This was his biggest problem, and the reason why he has so many picks. He flat out refuses to check down or go to his other safer options.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
So its all Jays fault ....
….. in your eyes, we all get that . But are there not 10 other players on the offense not doing a damn thing to help him out ?? So hes a one man team in your eyes ?? No one player is greater than the team …. except Jay Cutler in your opinion . Stop bashin one guy for the faliures of 11 .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 26, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the one throwing the ball
The O-line has been terrible, but again, on most of his Ints it’s due cause of a lapse of judgement not protection.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Jay sucked but
isn’t he throwing to a spot??
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
I do think Martz should have called some more runs.
The run game looked decent Sunday, and a few more runs may have been good for the line. The passing game isn’t clicking on all cylinders yet. But Martz still wants to force it vertically.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
the thing is
running the ball a little more would have made the vertical game better.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 26, 2010 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions
passing makes the running game better.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted disaprove,
however, I reserve the right to change my mind. Certainly the offense lost the game for the Bears in the Redskins game. Some of that is on
Cutler, needs to play smarter
WR’s TE’s, need to finish routes, fight for the ball, and learn their playbooks
O-line, freaking block somebody already
TE’s, freaking block somebody
Martz, while it is not his fault for players not executing like they were supposed to. He needs to call games that will put his players in the best position to succeed. That is not 40 passes to 16 runs. Especially on a night where Chester Taylor is averaging 6.7 yds a carry and Matt Forte is averaging 4.1.
Martz seems to have a much higher ceiling to me that Ron Turner ever did, but he is his own worst enemy too.
I voted approve
For the following:
- Changing OC at this point in the season would be counterproductive – who would fill in if Martz was fired?
- Like I’ve said before, Martz didn’t go from offensive guru to stupid overnight – players have to execute.
- Cutler has made some very bad decisions which were not Martz’s fault
Don’t read more into the above than there is. I’m not absolving Martz. Neither am I absolving the players, or any one else on the Bears. It is a team sport.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
by Maelvampyre on Oct 25, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
His offenses always give up too many sacks and turnovers
You spend all that time working with your QB’s footwork and mechanics, then you implement a game plan that exacerbates the offensive line issues everyone knows you have, which causes your QB to run for his life, throwing his footwork and mechanics out of whack. I don’t understand it. This is Week 7 of the NFL season. I don’t want to hear “It takes time for our players to get on the same page because they have to learn my complex system.” I don’t think Martz was ever an “offensive guru.” The league figured him out. I mean, Kurt Warner had to go to another team to resurrect his career. There’s a reason nobody else would hire him, and it has nothing to do with his personality.
So if I read what you posted correctly...
…you are absolving Cutler of any blame for the turd in the punchbowl?
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Cutler's mechanics have always been "out of whack"
No matter what Martz calls, no matter how bad the protection, Jay still has horrible fundamentals and decision-making. On all four of his Ints he had good protection.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I'm not absolving anybody
Cutler was nowhere near as accurate as he usually is. He missed easy throws he hardly ever misses. Still, if you think he’s the real problem go ahead and put Hanie in there without changing anything else. Let me know how that goes.
here is what I believe - Dick
Which is not quite what you stated above…
I believe that the blame for offensive woes can be shared by all, as I said in my opening post –
“Don’t read more into the above than there is. I’m not absolving Martz. Neither am I absolving the players, or any one else on the Bears. It is a team sport.”
I think that is very clear.
I don’t have an opinion about Hanie, so I will leave that to your speculation.,
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
by Maelvampyre on Oct 25, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Updates: per Brad Biggs
—Cutler is 51 of 90 passing with 1 TD, 5 INT, 19 sacks. Point is that’s what happens when you put it all on the QB and refuse to run the ball
—Mike Martz directed #Bears are the only team in the NFL that has not scored a point in the third quarter this season.
—#Bears ranked 30th in the NFL in offense. Is that what Ted Phillips had in mind when he said status quo was not acceptable?
—Lovie: “We have ourselves in position to make a run.”
—Mike Pereira, the ex-NFL VP officiating, says Lovie Smith & #Bears dropped the ball not challenging the Cutler fumble.
—Martz says J’Marcus Webb made a “quantum leap” at right tackle in the loss to Redskins
—Mike Martz saying on WWBM-AM 780 that #Redskins CB DeAngelo Hall “guessed” well in 4 pick effort.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Let me list a number of other things that are bad
—The economy is in the tank
—The Cubs suck
—The White Sox have a crazy manager
—The Oline is a disaster
—Mike Martz has his offenses throw the ball alot.
Only one of those things has anything to do with the Bears’ woes…. and it’s not the one Martz has any control over.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 25, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot
—Obama is running small business into the ground
—Afghanistan is still a terrible place to live
—The Cowboys are done
—Jay Cutler carved pumpkins with his honey (wow, I can’t believe she hasn’t dumped him by now)
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
by propheteer on Oct 25, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
WOW
The myopic hindsight of the average sports/NFL/Bears fan is on high display today.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 25, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
istn't saying "myopic hindsight" a little like saying "clear as mud"
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 26, 2010 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It's saying fans only care about what happened JUST RIGHT NOW!
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 26, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
SAY IT WITH ME - WE HAVE NO RECEIVERS!
Of all the talk about Martz and Cutler and O-LINE. If Cutler had someone to throw it to, some comfortable element he could always count on, we’d be fine. But we have no receivers. And for some reason, nobody talks about it.
We do, just not a go-to guy that can win a jump ball when we / Jay needs him to… Martz doesn’t seem to believe in them.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Agreed
Other than Olsen who has done well getting it this season, our receivers are more the quick type.
Can Izzy catch?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Knox is a pretty good WR, Olsen and forte both catch and run like WRs. I think the bears have decent options for Cutler. Not to mention DA and Earl who are okay players not great but able to get the job done. Either way I think the WRs fit this system perfectly.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
knox would be a #3 or #4 reciever on most teams
he plays like there is no DB out there and ends up getting played by the DB a lot of the time.
Bennett is OK but DA not so much last time we had a decent WR was the younger version of Marty Booker.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 26, 2010 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I always wonder why Drake survived the purge of the offense coaches after last season
You could argue that our TEs had outperformed our WRs yet Drake stays and the TE coach is gone.
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Is my mind a'goin on me or am I watchin you jibber jabber like some sorta jibberty box. Jibber Jabber on! Jibber Jabber on! -- Early Cuyler
First couple of games
I though Martz did a great job of schemeing his way around the O-line woes, especially with those screens. For whatever reason he got away from it in favor of the 7-step drop all-or-nothing offense.
Or other teams figured it out.
Plus not much martz can do when four Giants can handily beat 8 Bears.
I approve
Play calling yesterday was much better, but turnovers killed us. Thats that. Martz job is to call plays that move the ball down the field and ultimately into the endzone. We moved the ball all the way to the one for a td (if lovie challenged instead of taking the challenge home with him) but it was a fumble. Which was followed by 4 picks and another fumble.
Had the offense had 0 turnovers yesterday, I (dont say we because i dont speak for WCG) would have praised the coaches on both sides for calling an excellent game.
The defense played their hearts out……again MINUS LANCE BRIGGS…people are overlooking that with him we would have had 4 more forced turnovers.
Martz called the plays and for the most part the offense began to execute well, but those drive killing turnovers killed us, plain and simple.
I give the coaches a B- for a job they did yesterday. Lovie’s decision to not challenge was a MAJOR turning point, but that was not the last play of the game, that was not even in the 4th quarter. We had MANY more chance to put the game away but we did not. We have no idea how the skins would have played down 11, or 7pts. That one decison did not cost the game, did it hurt our chances? Yes it did but that alone was not why we lost.
Rush Rod called another good game on defense forcing 6 fumbles and 2 ints and TD
Dave Toub-Solid
Mike Tice- Line started to block, no the really did our running backs were able to gain some yards.
Mike Martz- Yesterday we had success running the ball which we really havent had, Martz could not say oh we cant run it, The bears were getting yards in chunks, pounding the skins may led to a forte or taylor td or maybe 3 pts.
Lovie- Should of challenged a play later! but it is what it is as NO IT ALL said.
9 more games, I still believe in Jay Cutler, and my Chicago Bears if you dont shame on you!
Still #1 in the north, is it a pretty #1? HELL NO. Will i take it? Too late already did
Good night!
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BEAR DOWN!!!!!
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Martz Play Calling
He’s got to know what a 3-step drop is, right?
I hate all of this balance crap...
a good game plan for one opponent isn’t necessarily the right one for every opponent. The problem isn’t the percentage balance, it’s the fact the the Bears are not making any serious commitment to run the football at all. Especially when this is EXACTLY the stretch of the schedule to do it. The O-line is struggling, the defense is tired, and Cutler is being battered on almost every play. The Bears should be running the ball to:
1. Allow the o-line to develop a sense of cohesion and trust.
2. Physically wear down the opposing D-line during the game.
3. Reduce the number of QB hits on Cutler.
4. Retain longer TOP and give the opposing offense less clock to grind down the Bears defense.
5. Actually score on 1st and goal from the 1-2yard line without putting Cutler at risk.
6. Increase the chances that the WRs can complete their long routes and complicated pass pattern combos because the opposing defense has to honor the run and the “speed” of our WRs can get them actual separation.
7. Give Forte more chances to break that long run for a TD.
8. etc……
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
+ infinity
and I’d add one more…
9) Actually get our money’s worth out of the Chester Taylor signing!
Martz just said yesterday
Taylor will be utilized more in goalline situations, because he actually, y’know, runs forward.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears use Taylor and Forte like the Giants use their backs...
alternate from series to series and keep them fresh while keeping the defense off balance a little.
I understand why...
the Bears brought in Taylor. He was a replacement for Forte if Forte had to hang it up another year or simply had lost his mojo. However, I wish the Bears would have targeted a big, angry, short yardage guy instead of the Wolfe/Bell non-decision. That, IMO, is what the Giants have in Bradshaw/Jacobs.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
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Why dont they just line up in the shotgun every down. Maybe run a few draw plays. Do some more quick outs. I have all but given up on Martz calling a decent offensive game. They did manage to move the ball this week but the game was well within reach and we are still chucking the ball around the field like its a gift for the redskins. How do you throw 4 Ints to one guy. Why were there no shots to Aromashadu in the redzone. What about olsen in the redzone? I am tired of seeing our Defense put on a great show and then the offense cannot help them out by putting points on the board. What is that all about? Love the Bears and always will but, they better get it together while the NFC is still up in the air. by week 10 this season can be over depending on where we are at.
by Jonathan Heun Jr on Oct 26, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions
Martz
There were better offensive coordinators out there to get, but Lovey keeps bringing in his buddies from the old Rams, regarless of their current abilities. Pace was during his tenure with the Rams, one of the best, but by the time Lovey brought him to the Bears his body said that his career is over. And, the tight end that he brought in from the old Rams, Mal…somethng (I can’t remember his name) was supposed to be an answer to blocking. Well, during the Giants game he was definitly answer for the Giants, I thought I saw him pointing out Cutler to the defender that he was supposed to be blocking. Its time to stop this old Rams procession. replace Angelo now so the new guy can get to know the team. Get rid of Lovey on the last day of the season and start interviewing prospecive coaches now. Bill Cowher could be a Bear. Toub might make a good head coach. You could fire Lovey today and move Toub into that position now as in interim coach in order to access him.
Not to be argumentative, but what better offensive coordinators were available?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
no one really wants to be a coordinator knowing they're probably going to be canned in a year
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 26, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
no one *spectacular
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 26, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No vote - jury's still out on this one
for me anyway … I don’t really care about balance as much as I care about consistency and getting into a rhythm with the play calling. I think there were flashes of that in the 3rd quarter especially – though both of those drives ended in an INT or fumble.
The last drive Cutler hits Knox on two mid-range passes and then opts for the bomb on first down, which Hall picked off. I think it has more to do with decision making on the field than the play that is called. Jay is guilty of telegraphing where he wants to go – he’s not comfortable with every receiver on the field – I get that, but spread it around a bit. Olsen has been nonexistent for a while – whether that’s due to Martz, Cutler not seeing him or Olsen not being open – I don’t know.
This business of setting up the pass with the run or vice versa doesn’t fly in this offense. I agree we should run more, but with the way we block it’s really farkin difficult. It’s just difficult to do anything with any type of consistency with this O-Line. So I don’t blame Martz’s system so much as I blame the offensive execution. They can make plays – they just don’t make them.
On the Bears official website today the question was asked if any other team had ever turned the ball over 6 times in a half
The answer was that it happened twice before and both of them were Mike Martz teams. The upside is that both of those teams made it to the Super Bowl in their respective years (one win and one loss), so maybe there is hope.
lol maybe if Orlando Pace, Marshall Faulk and Torry Holt all stepped in a hot tub time machine....
and showed up to Halas Hall on Wednesday then it would work maybe. Heck, i think even these days Marshall Faulk would still run circles around people.
by Chitownproduct on Oct 26, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO it was the
turnovers, not the play calling, that cost us this game. 4 INT’s and 2 fumbles is not good. The offense seemed to move the ball they just kept giving the ball back to Washington. In week 1 we were able to overcome our mistakes, not this time.
Yeah, but at some point
you have to realize that Cutler is rattled, and change up the play-calling to take some of the pressure off of him. If nothing else, start shifting the primary routes away from Hall, who for whatever reason was giving Jay fits.
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Where..
are the outside run plays we saw early in the season? I don’t care if we run the ball 15 times a game max. run around our terribad line! it’s a known fact that neither of our backs can power up the middle well. that’s the sole reason I vote dislike.






















