What's your pleasure Bears fans: Gunslinger or Game Manager?

which ones perform? they both do.

game managers can’t win some games that gunslingers can. gunslingers may lose games that game managers can’t.

Game-time situational passing, not reckless passing to well-covered receivers.

Jim McMahon was a slinger that could manage a game…..he didnt have the arm that Cutler had but he could heave that thing…course we had Walter too…I want both!!!!!

Sizzling INT’s to the other team doesn’t help you win games.

A Gunslinger who can occasionally manage the game, or a Game Manager, who where necessary let it rip?

Personally, giving the ball to the opposition is rarely going to win you a game.

A game manager may not be as exciting to watch, but what is more exciting overall, missing the Playoffs or making it to the SuperBowl?

you need to have a little of both to be a great QB in this league.

…because both can be effective if the rest of the offensive unit is built to their specifications, obviously. I am including the OC in the phrase “offensive unit”. Cutler and Martz may not be a marriage that works, but there is still time for a reconciliation. Perhaps Lovie will grow a pair and assert himself enough to mediate the marriage. I’m not saying Lovie has to be a guru on offense, just that he has a general philosophy and he should be assertive enough as the head coach to tell Martz what he wants, and to see that Cutler does what he is supposed to do as well.

This is a ridiculous argument. Of course you want a gunslinger because you want a chance to make plays. I disagree with the lists about who is a game manager/gunslinger in the first place but come on. Jay has flaws but with our line he has no choice but to try.

I would vote for “WINNER”. A guy who knows what he needs to do to give his team the best chance to win the game. Sometimes you need to come out and sling the ball around, and sometimes you need to slow things down and play ball control. I want a quaterback who understands when and how to do these things.

Game manager- Will never WIN a game for you, however he will never LOSE a game for you. By this i mean that he will always do what’s needed to just get by and let everyone else around him do the dirty work. Trent Dilfer for example never won a game for the Ravens, he simply handed the ball off to Jamal Lewis and let him run, and would throw the ball when absolutely necessary.

Gunslinger- Will WIN and LOSE games for you himself. A gunslinger is a pro bowl type quarterback, with a strong arm and a lot of confidence. Brett Favre for example. He has Lost just as many games for his teams as he has Won. A gunslinger differs from a game manager in the aspect that he can win games single handedly for your team, as he can lose games single handedly for your team. A gunslinger could throw 5 tds in a game, or throw 5 ints. You never know. They have a lot of confidence in their arm and therefore will take chances where the game manager would not.

but thats just my view

Because a this type of QB would’ve won the Skins game on Sunday, the Niners, both Packers games last year, and I can’t remember the other awful games he had but the team only lost by 3-7 points.

Kind of a Jim McMahon with a stronger arm. He didn’t have great size or physical talent, but he could read a defense almost instantly and find the open receiver. If his receivers were covered he’d check down to the TE or RB, or throw the ball away and not lose field position. He wouldn’t try to force the ball into double and triple coverage in the red zone unless it was in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, and was always aware of the clock, down and field position. It’s simple, I want a Joe Montana.

Not be cause I dont like him he’s ok. I just care for his well being he would die here.

Love the closing paragraph.

It doesn’t matter which one.

Thus giving the best of both worlds.

Peyton Manning was a classic gunslinger when he first came into the NFL, but he matured and started playing smarter.

There seems to be a lot of implicit jumping to the derogatory of each term . See Lester’s comment just above this saying Peyton started as a slinger but then played smarter, turning him into the ultimate manager; therefore, a gunslinger plays not smart. (not trying to put words in your mouth, Lester, but that’s the implication of the statement and was just an easy example to use for my purposes). Other comments claim that a gunslinger puts up numbers or takes high risks, that a manager doesn’t take risks and takes what the defense gives him.

I have a hard time saying Peyton Manning is a pure manager. Sure, he’s managing all sorts of things pre-snap but he puts up giant numbers and slings the ball all over the place. And sure, Favre takes risks, but his are also calculated to the extent he knows he can more likely than not make that throw or his receiver can make a play, and he knows how to control the clock and how to read defenses.

I’d probably argue that the QBs listed by Doshi were a mix of both manager and gun slinger, to different degrees, and that’s what made them so good. They weren’t one dimensional. I don’t think there has to be an either/or dichotomy to this discussion. The best QBs play smart and all take what the defense gives them, and when you’ve got a cannon for an arm (like a Warner), that can be a lot of big plays.

That if he could “real it in” just a tad bit, he would be one of the top QBs in the league every year. He wouldn’t even have to be considered a “game manager.”

What he needs to learn how to do (much faster) is:

1) Quickly go through his read progressions on every play and find the open receiver.
2) Find the “hot route” on blitzes
3) Dump the ball away when he gets in trouble – either out of bounds or where no one can make a play on it.
4) Never throw into double or triple coverage.

To me, this isn’t “game management,” it’s just smart football.

1) Quickly go through his read progressions on every play and find the open receiver.
2) Find the "hot route" on blitzes

will develop with growth in the system. in my opinion.

Jay may have one of the strongest arms I have ever seen, but that can only take him so far. The QB that he most reminds me of is Brett Favre, though I would much rather him be more of a game manager, like Manning, Brees, or Brady. Gunslingers may win you more games than game managers, but they also lose more.

had an ounce of that Game Manger mentality in him he can make that next jump to elite status. I’m still big fan of Jay, but he needs to learn to take what the defense gives him and be consistent with his mechanics to where he can really be deadly with that big time arm.

QBs are not either/or. Jimmy Mac was both a gun-slinger and a game-manager. He was just a smart QB who did what it took to win. It’s a false premise that you must be one or the other ….

For the record, Trent Dilfer wasn’t really a game manager. … He’s what I would call a bad QB.

This had me laughing out aloud :-D

I tried posting yesterday but had to wait for my account to be patted down…I’m fine now.

Anyway, I picked gunslinger for this year’s case alone. A game manager would be mashed up with current OL just as much as the slinger (Jay). So why not heave the ball a little?

Good to see you around & I cannot wait to talk Da’ Bears with Chicago fans!

…. cookies or maybe a nice pie ?

This has probably been said already, as I only scanned through the comments, but I feel that having either/or would be bad. A quarterback can be more one or the other, but I feel that he needs to be able to realize when he needs to tone it down (or up) and just make the right play for the situation. The right QB would be a mixture of both attitudes.

7 TD passes in one game man I wish I’d been there for that.

Bill Wade was a game manager
great between the 20’s didn’t turn the ball over

Jim McMahon was more like a Gladiator.

It is hard to win a Super Bowl with a true gunslinger at QB, since you need him to play well for 3 or 4 games in a row.

With a game manager at the helm you get a more consinstent offensive showing.

Game manager + solid defense = success

• throw in a running game and/or good special teams for bonus points *