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...where everyone wants to write a Jay Cutler FanPost

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probably because he is the underperforming QB

on the team that this site is dedicated to. Does that surprise you that much?

by jimribs on Oct 28, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

And

He was paid handsomely to not make rookie mistakes as the most important player on the team.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

When even the press ....

… are beginning to seriously question the QB irrespective of the paucity of talent around him, its not surprising that fans are.

He is the face of the offense

by Black-sheep on Oct 28, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

exactly

I would love to see him turn it around (who wouldn’t) but questioning if he is a big problem seems to automatically mean we wanna run him outta town on a rail, in some people’s minds.

by jimribs on Oct 28, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just sayin'

in hindsight, Jay didn’t have a winning record in Denver. He was still throwing picks like he played for the other team. People are just brainwashed to the arm strength and velocity. It’s almost as if he goes out there with no plan. That’s ok if you’re a certain #9. What good is potential when you just refuse to learn from your mistakes and have a whole city all to willing to absolve you of any blame.

by Big Ike on Oct 28, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the fight I've been fighting all week

Everyone wants to continue to give him a pass and say it’s part of the learning process, but it’s definitely not. He’s 27 years-old and has been in the league long enough to know how to win games. Throwing a bomb on first down to Knox with 2 minutes to go, down only 3 is proof positive he doesn’t mentally get “it.” Learning a new complex system isn’t a very good reason cause I just read on espnchicago about how Martz is “dumbing it down” for the offense right now.

Despite Martz’s reputation for carrying a diverse offensive playbook, of Chicago’s 425 snaps, 389 have come from two formations (three receivers and two tight ends), according to ESPN Stats and Information, opening up the possibility the Bears may be too predictable.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

word brother

read the post immediately below this to confirm your thoughts on people constantly making excuses for his play.

by jimribs on Oct 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

personnel groupings doesn't equal formation groups.
spread. and variations with tight ends, motion (that's a big one), and positioning of RB's and TE's are crucial.

yes, it might be the same personnel grouping, but not the same formation.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Oct 28, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

B-I-N-G-O!

One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 28, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that bad of a decision!

I fknox would have continued to run full speed on the route and went up to get the ball over a DB who is shorter than he is, than it would of been a catch. Hence, Jay needs a big athletic WR like almost every QB has in this league.

by Mandingo54 on Oct 28, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like... Greg Olsen?

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Oct 28, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Olsen or Aroma would have been perfect...

Shoot, Bennett has proven that he can finish his routes and go up and fight for the ball. Johnny and Devin are slot receivers maybe #2 but, #1… not even close.

by Mandingo54 on Oct 30, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

The ball was over his head by ten yards. And the excuses continue….

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jay has issues with his mechanics...

and he has made some bad reads. Cutler has played badly at times and made plays at others. How different would this week be if Lovie challenges the Cutler TD? The Bears are 4-3 and leading the division even with Cutler’s bad play. Jay was partly right about the Hall thing. QBs throw at CBs after they pick them off all the time. It’s called the forward pass, it’s reasonably popular these days. Cutler is still a high quality player for the Bears. Maybe there are other positions of weakness on the Bears team that might be a better place to start fixing the problems.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!

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by LostInSTL on Oct 28, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

My first snicker of the day:
It’s called the forward pass, it’s reasonably popular these days.

I heard there’s some guy in Indianapolis that uses it.

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by Kev H on Oct 28, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear the offensive line

could use some upgrades?

"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher

by BearNecessities on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's another quote by Jay that shows he doesn't get "it"
One point of optimism, per Cutler, was that "things are starting to happen a little quicker for guys," he said. He didn’t mention himself, just "guys."

"I like what they’re doing out there," Cutler said, "so they’ve just got to keep improving every day." "They." Not "we."

Seriously Jay? Let’s keep team morale up by not mentioning yourself. Great job!

Here’s another doozy…

Martz dismissed the suggestion that receivers like Devin Hester and Johnny Knox could have done better jobs of breaking up or catching those passes. That left the responsibility squarely with Cutler, whether Martz intended it that way or not.

So much for the notion that his receivers suck at fighting for the ball.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Well

He was asked directly about the wide receivers. Hence his use of “guys” and “they.”

Context is a fantastical thing.

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by Kev H on Oct 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first quote relates to him as well

Things are “a little quicker for the guys”

I believe he has plenty of room to be a little quicker deciphering the defensive look as much as the receivers.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea dude you took those out of context

ur digging for shit and not finding a turd.

Just find relevant stuff and not grab and pull things out of context bruh

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Oct 28, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does it mean then?

So now it’s no one’s fault. Perfect…I expect their offensive play to get worse.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE

those answers were in direct association with a question asked about his recievers. NOT ABOUT HIM

You took them out of context

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Oct 28, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is

a good leader and QB puts the onus on himself, not everyone else. You didn’t hear P. Manning blame Wayne for causing the deciding play in the SB last year.

The second quote is directly from Martz, so it does relate to Cutler’s performance. How does exonerating Knox and Hester not indicate an indictment of Cutler?

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

P.Manning

is ALWAYS throwing his teammates under the bus and placing blame elsewhere.

And if you have actually watched Cutler on the sidelines he is a great leader, always encouraging his mates.

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Oct 28, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's because Manning made a bad throw

He threw that same throw earlier in the game and it was almost picked then… the DB was just waiting for it again.

One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

Same with Jay on the slant to Knox. Wayne just refused to fight for the ball :)

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

But a QB

also doesn’t just talk about himself the entire time… especially when not asked about himself!

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

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by Ashley Czuba on Oct 29, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two INT's against the skins were his fault....

However, two were not and we would have won that game if Lovie would have challenged the call on the field or Forte would have not fumbled. The O-line played a whole lot better than the previous games and Martz called a good game. The wide outs are still lacking. I think Martz knows that Jay can take criticism a whole lot better than the young WRs’.

by Mandingo54 on Oct 30, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

First, let me say that I haven't given up on Cutler completely yet, but I think there are a few reasons for the fans' negativitity

1. Total frustration with the coaching/front office staff for the last 3+ years
2. Original expectations after Jay was signed were way too high
3. Expectations of the Martz’ offense running like the “Greatest Show on Turf” right out of the gate were unrealistic
4. The rest of the NFC is nothing to write home about so had we won those last two, very winnable games, we’d be in the driver’s seat for the conference.
5. The problems we are seeing with Cutler are exactly what all the naysayers from Denver were telling us about after the trade and we don’t want to believe that they were right.
6. Orton isn’t performing too badly when most people that were on the Cutler bandwagon were sure he’d completely fail in Denver.

Again, let’s see if he can pull it together and not jump off the ledge yet, but Jay/Martz have to begin to show us they can adjust and have better games than the last few weeks.

by BearFan611 on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm starting to believe that they were right

Where are the positive signs of growth? I can’t find anything of true significance myself.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is pretty dead on ... except I offer you this

To your point … I too think a majority of the fan base is just tired of this team’s performance and it starts with the front office/coaching staff. Sure the expectations on Jay were high – we – I mean Jerry Angelo – thought the acquisition of Cutler would improve everyone around him – probably even the offensive line.

The college of coaches we’ve acquired clearly hasn’t done anything to improve the team, or Lovie’s ability to challenge a play. The receivers are still mediocre at best. The offensive line blows. The defensive line obviously should have improved the secondary – but outside of DJ Moore, who is playing out of his mind at times – we still can’t cover anyone and are ultimately a threat to no offense worth half it’s salt.

It’s too bad Julius Peppers is playing with all those mortals out there. It must be absolutely frustrating that he has to not only rush the passer, but also might be forced to tackle everyone on the field at once.

I’m not on the ledge because I knew this team was going to win games it shouldn’t and lose games it shouldn’t. They’re par for the course, and once we get past this very winnable Buffalo game (which we’ll totally lose by 3) … we’ll smoke Minnesota and then revert back to the current pattern.

Who is Kyle Orton?

by junkhorse on Oct 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about this

Izzy has been great, so has D. Manning and C. Harris. Have you seen a lot of deep passes versus our secondary? Peanut is the only liability at this point. I also think your underestimating Tice’s coaching and teaching on a very young O-line. Webb has turned it on after a somewhat rough start- I believe he’ll get these guys up front performing at least a little better in weeks to come.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

if we somehow bottle up

Lee Evans, Steve Johnson and Roscoe Parrish – all the while stopping Fred Jackson and Fitz – I will agree that our secondary has improved.

I’ll overestimate Tice’s coaching when we stop giving up sacks and average more than 3.5 ypc. Old, young, crippled or healthy – this line has trouble run blocking, pass blocking, identifying and picking up blitzes, etc. Blame Cutler, blame Martz, blame whoever you want but watching Chris Williams get absolutely manhandled by Haynesworth was laughable.

I kept thinking – this is our first round pick? this is the guy we tapped to protect our franchise quarterback’s blind side – how freakin hilarious is that!?

by junkhorse on Oct 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

CW is definitely humorous in a bad way right now

Yeah, if our D-line can’t get pressure on the no-name tackles of the Bills then God help us.

"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger

by propheteer on Oct 28, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

More importantly.

By the bills.

Yikes. Somedays you just don’t have it.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Oct 28, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

but yet

Baltimore still won?

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Oct 28, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha delusional

Baltimore won.

Well

Everyone who has faced the Bills has won

I don’t expect that to change next week

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Oct 29, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wish we have Lee Evans

And he wish he has a real QB throwing to him.

(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...

by T.Moore on Oct 29, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points and I'll add

It seems Jay was beating the Martz offense percentages in picks. When Martz was announced OC and demonstrated he hasn’t changed his offense, anyone expecting Cutler to have a low int. % were fooling themselves.

Martz is known for sacks (check), yards (check), no running (check) and ints (% was way low for the year).

Still does not excuse the piss poor play of Cutler that game but one can only cheat the odds so long. Anyone expecting different were seeming to expect something out of the percentages.

by TheMan1 on Oct 28, 2010 1:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I agree 100%

Plus right now, people are negative because the schedule is going to be very tough from now on. So, instead of being 6-2 or 7-1 where we should be after Buffalo, we can only be 5-3. We can still put stuff together and make the playoffs—we will just have to do it against playoff material teams. Let’s go BEARS!

by Stellarpete22 on Oct 28, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Article on Lovie's utter Failures at Challenging

Link

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely unbelievable!

If it was just this one call you could say that everyone makes a mistake but I read something the other day that said throughout his career, Lovie is only 18 for 58 on challenges. He’s been wrong 70% of the time!!!!

You can’t blame anyone else for that kind of record because even if he’s getting bad information, as HC it’s up to him to put people in the booth who can do the job! I would fire him just for this, it’s unforgiveable.

by BearFan611 on Oct 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

LeGere nails it.
So, with a total of 68 draft picks since 2003, the Bears have selected just nine offensive linemen, and six of them were taken in the seventh and final round. That’s why they can’t protect the quarterback.

One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

And

“We’re excited by what we’re seeing from them”…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
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by Spongie on Oct 29, 2010 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

LeGere also points out that

That group represents nearly one-fifth of a team’s starting lineup, but Bears general manager Jerry Angelo seems to believe that talent isn’t as necessary on the offensive line as it is at the other positions

but my first thought was that it’s almost half of the team that takes the the field on offense…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Oct 29, 2010 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Winning cures everything.

Remember a few weeks ago (before the Giants game) when we all liked Martz and thought Cutler was headed to the pro-bowl?
It’s the same team now as it was then.
Just thought I’d contribute to the random babblings….
Kyle Orton….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep.

Except for that O-Line.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Oct 28, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post Dave...

Kyle noodle arm no mobility Orton would do such a great job with this O-Line. Shoot, he would have already passed for 2500yds by now. You need to lay off the hallucinogenics because you are delusional.

by Mandingo54 on Oct 28, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously newbie

better get to know the people you post to before you call them out. Random babblings like people continuing to beat dead horses like Kyle Orton’s damned ghost lives on this web site or something.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Oct 28, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree with you

When you use the word “newbie” I think you automatically lose any argument, congress passed that I think.

by jimribs on Oct 29, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being new and slagging off someone whose name appears at the bottom of the page under “Contributing Writers”… he was lucky to get away with merely being called “newbie”.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Oct 29, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that I should be known as a fairly sarcastic SOB.

Most people know that and react accordingly. This person (I won’t call names) joined 3 days ago. Plus I was grumpy….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha fair enough.

Like I said I agreed with ya. I guess my hatred for the word newbie stems back to my IT days.

by jimribs on Oct 29, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer "rookie"

One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can I tell him to get my bags?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes...

One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You cannot compare the two to each other.

KO has a far better O-line and weapons to throw to even w/o Marshall. Jay hasn’t had a chance since Day 1. How do you invest that much money in a QB w/o getting serious on the O-line? It is just comical at points from JA. Also, I am getting so damn sick of Martz “whitewashing” everything. I don’t mind you defending your players but it is just laughable now.

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by DRose#1 on Oct 28, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Where our headline discourages

Someone to think freely and post about our quarterback.

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