Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Giants Edition
by Kev H on Oct 4, 2010 8:29 AM CDT
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There's an old adage that I remember hearing somewhere, but I can't seem to find a source for it. So maybe I made it up. It goes something like this:
A team is never as good as they look in their best win, and never as bad as their worst loss.
Let's hope this can be true, because for the offense... this is the worst they've looked in quite some time. Worse than the preseason, even. Not everything is terrible, though. The defense and special teams looked pretty solid for the most part. The defense played well enough to win this game. Special teams played well enough to win this game.
Get used to it now, all you're going to hear about all week are the sacks. I had a lot of little notes, but they all basically fold under the umbrella of suck that was the offensive performance.
The more it's thought about, the more I have to feel that one of the earlier plays caused the concussion, not the "head bounce" that NBC showed multiple times. As David Haugh points out, Cutler got up before that and appeared wobbly and walked to the wrong sideline. If that's the case, it explains a lot, including why Cutler would run out of bounds for the sack, or why he'd wait too long in the pocket and not see things. It's not an excuse, though. Someone should've been taking to Cutler and evaulating him for that kind of thing.
The offensive line just got beat. A lot. While not every sack is on them, the excessive number of Giants defensive linemen in the backfield is. A lot of people are asking where the adjustments from Martz are on that one. A large part of the apparent lack of adjustments is that there wasn't that much to adjust to. Since the Bears weren't looking at a lot of blitz heavy looks, there wasn't a blitz to adjust around. The four down lineman established their will on the Bears early, and neither Martz nor Tice were able to figure out anything that would stop them.
I didn't know a ton about Brandon Manumaleuna. I'd heard he was a good blocker. I'd like to see that, so perhaps I'll pick up some old game tape on ebay.
Lost in the QB shuffle is that Right Guard Lance Louis also is out of the game, and his status is still unclear.
The Wide Receivers didn't do a whole lot to help. At some point, someone needed to start cutting their downfield routes short and start coming back to give an outlet, but that never happened.
I think the Bears defense has been humbled a bit. As good as they've been the past four weeks, they let the Giants re-establish their running game in force tonight, giving up 129 yards to Bradshaw, and 62 to Jacobs.
The endaround to Hester got the one productive rushing play that it always seems to get.
Special teams for the Bears were solid. I was surprised to not see turnovers by Reynaud, as he was making some bad decisions.
Corey Graham was all over punt coverage tonight. He seemed to singlehandedly take on the responsibility of stopping Reynaud.
For the most part, they didn't punt to Hester. That was effective on their part.
The Bears had 8 penalties for 40 yards. To be perfectly honest, I'd have been ok with some holding penalties after a while.
Peppers got himself another sack! And a big pass deflection, amongst other pressure. If only the rest of the team could step up while he's being blocked.
Oh, wait, Anthony Adams did, barreling through the line to force the backfield fumble by Jacobs. Once a game isn't going to do it, though.
Speaking of fumbles, how beautiful was Bowman's strip? Bradshaw had no idea he was there, and looked to have already written the TD on the board in his mind. Bowman punched it out, and unfortunately had to recover it at the one yard line. At that point, I was pessimistic and assumed safety, but they were able to at least force Maynard to make a bad punt.
Peanut still really can't cover anyone particularly well.
A few possible picks got away from #54 tonight. Anyone of those may have killed some of the Giants momentum.
Tommie Harris was, well, tommie harris. He gets lower case because it has no impact.
Briggs seemed out of it tonight. Urlacher was solid, and Pisa was playing his A game.
It's good to see the defense is still willing to take the game on their shoulders. Hopefully they won't bail through adversity, but I think they've seen what the offense can do.
What I think is possibly the scariest stat of the whole game? 0/0 offensive red zone efficiency. No trips to the red zone usually means a fairly unproductive day.
Oh yeah, by the way, one of you called it. Here's the quote from Lovie after the loss (emphasis mine):
"When you get pressure like that, it's tough to do anything," Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "If there's something positive, this only counts as one loss. We finish up this first quarter (of the season) 3-1. We'll go back to work tomorrow and try to fix some of these things."
Recap from the media:
Pompei is able to spread the blame around for the concussion.
Video: Biggs and Pompei discuss the loss.
Mitchell and Biggs break down the loss.
Morrissey about the O-Line woes.
Mulligan on the sacks.
ESPN: 5 Things We Learned (Or some of us already knew)
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great recap
Last night I was trying to use humor to find my way through an ugly game, but today I am just angry. The offensive line was indeed just that -offensive in a bad bad way. Thank God Kiwanuka was out or Bears O line and coaches would have been indicted for murder. ( of Cutler)
Head is still spinning here. Out.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Yeah cause none of it was cutlers fault.
On 3 of the sacks NBC showed a wide open receiver in the flat and cutler never even looks that way. I’m starting to think cutler picks a receiver to throw to before the snap and if that guy isn’t open he doesn’t know what to do so he holds the ball and gets sacked. Throw the damn ball away for once.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As mentioned above
There is a good possibility that Cutler’s concussion occured earlier in the game than NBC and the media coverage pointed out. He was wobbly and confused on the sideline. If he was concussed at this point, it can explain his actions in the pocket.
When your brain gets hurt, it doesn’t react the way you expect it to. Jay’s smarter than that, and we’ve seen him make those kind of good decisions lately, so I doubt it was just him looking to make a huge play.
We have?
I mean, he’s better than last year, but he still makes poor decisions all the time. The final drive vs the packers is pretty much evidence of that when he threw 3 interventions on 1 drive trying to force balls into double coverage instead of taking an underneath route.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we have?
lopey, any QB is better the better his protection is. Granted, like any other human he makes mistakes. the drive you speak of is evidence of one drive, but not the big picture.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
blaming this on Cutler is like
telling a guy who just got mugged that he shouldn’t have been out walking at night in front of a police station he needs to use better judgement than that.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 4, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well with his poor night vision, it is definitely his fault
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
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by David Taylor on Oct 4, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus the diabetic night vision.... don't forget that...
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
That is a possibility
that a lot of folks take for granted, and could explain why he’s often best in mid-day games and totally off for nighttime performances.
Honestly, I’d pin most of it on the line play, and some of it on his desire to go downfield.
to make the big play because of necessity
i’m not saying he didnt hang on too long, but i think he did because he was trying to make the one big play because he knew he wouldnt have many chances
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well for one he was joking about the diabetic night vision
he was ok last week when they played at night, I don’t buy into that as more than an excuse for poor decision making. He had about .02 seconds before being mauled by the Giants and when he had more time he tried to make something out of nothing and set himself up for more hits.
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trauma
in healthy people will cause the body to release adrenaline, sugar and insulin into their blood stream to give them an extra burst of energy, but for a diabetic like Jay whose body doesn’t produce enough insulin it leads to high blood sugar which can cause things like blurred vision and mental confusion. It could explain why he was holding the ball just a little too long and having trouble making the hot reads.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 4, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
lopey
I didn’t say that none of it was cutler’s fault. What I AM saying is that if you get your bell rung as many times as he did last night, you are not going to be able to find your ass with both hands. That is on the coaches, in my opinion, they have to know their man.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Hey! Lighten Up!
Cutler had Cucko-Cucko birds circlin his head!
The Friggin Titanic could have been runnin a slant and Cutler would have missed it!!!
pbanachi
Two sweet mental images in one post.
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great one
i really dont feel it fair to blame the offense struggles on anyone other than the o-line
play after play with 4 linemen i watched as people constantly got beat one on one. Lance Louis got injured? yeah his pride i watched coefield run around him for an easy sack on jay cutler and he didnt even hold him.
at some point mike tice needs to teach blocking instead of practicing blowing smoke
im not concerned about one loss, they happen but the line play was horrible. 0-12 on 3rd down at one point it was only a matter of time before the defense got tired, they werent even hitting the bench the offense was off the field before the defense got to the sideline… bradshaw had 52 yrds at halftime
brandon jacobs may have had 7 or 8…
todd collins comes in and they just start handing the ball off to an offensive line that has only helped forte to a 2.8 ypc season so far.
running backs need holes opened up, and if every snap your avoiding defenders in the backfrield your not going to gain yards
get some help on the offensive line, a quality veteran tackle and a guard. if possible use tommie harris to help achieve this but make something happen
and your right peanut cant cover
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 4, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions
I do not blame Cutler for any of the sacks...
I believe he was concussed much earlier in the game and was playing under those effects for most of the time he was in. This is O-line and Mike “the guru” Tice have about 95% of the blame in this loss. They could not block 4 guys with 5-7 of their own. The other 5% goes on the stubbornness of Martz to simply call more running plays to Forte outside and Taylor inside and less deep drops on 3rd and forever. This game was winnable and the last guy to take blame in this one is Cutler. I have yet to see what good Tice is doing. Everyone points to how he molds the most obscure guys into pro-bowlers. I have yet to see any vale from him. Cutler is NOT the problem with this offense. Fix the O-line and the rest and then talk about Cutler’s “mistakes”!
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by LostInSTL on Oct 4, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed, he showed a lot of courage
but the coaching staff needed to evaluate him better to keep from risking his ass to further damage. though, due to poor planning they didn’t have many options. (see Collins)
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
I am waiting for...
the Cutler hate/blame to come out and I wanted to get ahead of it. Similarly for Forte, the QB/RBs have absolutely no chance to do anything because of the most ineffective O-line in the history of football. On a related note, the announcers (didn’t name them on purpose) last night made a great point that I hope does not go unnoticed. Why do the Bears have both Forte and Taylor? They are essentially the same RB. I get that Taylor was insurance, but then where’s the compliment back that can gut out 2-4 yards on short yardage situations?
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I notice that comment and I agree that Forte and Taylor are virtually the same RB's.
They did drafted Harvey Unga who could have been a short yardage back, but the prematurely IR him. You could have gave him a limited role in this offense knowing that you struggle last year on short yardage situations.
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been complaining about this for a while now.......
I still don’t get why Angelo let AP walk.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The Eagles had this problem earlier this year
A player was staggering around trying to get off the field but the doctors didn’t know it because their spot is at teh way back of the sideline. Someone needs make a point to either inform the team doctors or drag the player in question to them because having a doctor around but not using them for things like this is ridiculous.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Agreed
I’m also furious at the Bears coaching staff for not noticing something wrong with Cutler earlier. I suspect he suffered two concussions in that game – seriously jeopardizing his health, both long and short term.
Yep
After a series where he got sacked… The camera zoomed in on Jay and he looked off and confused. This was before that Ross sack
by frenchbears113 on Oct 4, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Where's your brain? Why'd you kick me?
both the offensive line and Cutler are to blame for the sacks. There were at least two, if not three instances where Cutler could have checked down and thrown the short pass (Bennett on at least two of those occasions). Look no further than the Aaron Ross sack for a mental breakdown by No. 6. Ross is showing blitz from the start – either throw it away or zip it to Bennett in the flat but do not take that sack.
There was a couple of others where Cutler is clearly looking for the homerun and there are receivers open underneath and instead of hitting one of them, he pulls the ball down. Granted the pocket collapsed on several occasions and our tackles were just getting plain beat by the Giants ends. You can’t one-on-one block Tuck with a TE just as you can’t block Umenyiora that way either. The backs either need to chip or there needs to be a double team with a tackle.
Lastly – where the hell is the running game? Spare the wear and tear on Cutler and run the goddamn football. The Giants were just teeing off on the Bears because they knew he was going to throw on nearly every down and the Bears could do nothing to stop it. There’s a lot of blame to go around here … and Cutler deserves his fair share. He’s not a sacred cow.
Certainly agree about the run.
I think the Giants were a little vulnerable there, especially in the first half. I thought that Chester Taylor would have gotten more touches, I had hoped that he and Forte would get more of an even split with carries, he seemed like he did alright on his three opportunities.
What do you mean kick me?...
I just think the only 2 mistakes Cutler made last night was the under throw to Hester (which would have been caught by a better WR) and playing behind those gutless/talentless guys on the O-line. NONE of the sacks were on Cutler. Cutler was battered BEFORE he could even make the check-down throw. Martz FAILED to put shotgun or shorter drops into the mix and got Cutler knocked out of the game. Cutler is one of the few solid players on that offense. He is not beyond criticism, but to say he’s at fault for the 4 guys that beat the 5,6, 7 and yes 8-man protection, is the most idiotic thing you can utter. I give Cutler credit for trying to make something happen when he knows he’s going to get killed and asking for seconds!
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you've obviously never seen Ferris Bueller
it’s when Cameron and Ferris prank call Ed Rooney – they’re blaming each other for nearly getting caught.
It’s a metaphor for the Bears last night … they can all point fingers at each other. Sure, the offensive line completely sucked, but Cutler is not excused for his shit decisions. Holding the football on a 7-step drop while you have a pocket collapsing around you is not a good one. It’s a 7-step drop! How far back do you need to go? Once the back foot hits the turf on a 7-step drop you make a decision – throw to WR, throw away or get the hell out of there. Instead, he pulls the ball down. I don’t care how talented he is – he made bad decisions.
He knows how bad his line is and that should effect the way he plays – and it does. He’s always under duress. I’m not saying the offensive line is not negligent, but lets take the Cutler’s Awesome Blinders off.
I could swear he says hit
not kick.
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Just blame him for the right things...
everyone can get better and improve their play. If Jay throws a few more footballs away to avoid a sack, do the Bears win that game? If Cutler keeps getting hit when the other team is not blitzing and throws the ball, do he not then throw more INTs? The rest of the TEAM needs to improve a ton more than Cutler. Imagine if Olsen learns how to block or Manu for that matter. Wouldn’t that go a lot farther toward winning?
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Well, sure
but I’m not going to blame a concussed man for not playing perfect football.
That seems a bit lame.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I don't care if you blame Jay Cutler
or if you blame the offensive line, or if you blame Mike Martz, or Lovie Smith or JA or any other person, player or coach within the Bears organization. What you’re all failing at seeing in all of this is that it was a COMPLETE FAIL across the board on offense.
Cutler just made it worse. That’s the whole goddamn point. You don’t make things better when you hang onto the goddamn football with two DE’s breathing down your neck and your OTs falling down throwing “look out” blocks.
Does throwing the ball away win you games – probably not, but what it can do is keep you from being concussed and prevent you from putting your team in a further offensive hole or turning the ball over. Jay compounded bad offensive line play with poor decisions – end of story.
I was an extra in that film...kinda
I was present at the Twist and Shout scene during the filming. And I am not saying Cutler cannot be blamed ever. Like I said, he’s just not responsible for the sacks last night. He can be blamed for a few bad throws/decisions, but he wasn’t making better decisions because he was not able to because of the shit O-line play. The catch-22 is when he does throw at the 7th step the WRs/TEs (looking at you Olsen!) are not where they are supposed to be or quit on their routes. Then Jay is criticized for “throwing it up for grabs”. I think he can improve on his play and make better decisions, but he’s gotta be pretty far down the list of priorities. Fix the other stuff first!
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Cutler gets waaaay too many excuses from people around here.
It’s like they’ve hung all the hope for this TEAM on one guy and heaven forbid he’s fallible. He has bad night vision, it’s the diabetes, our receivers run bad routes, good receiver would have made that play, just trying to make things happen, poor play calling, bad o-line (ok it IS a bad o-line but)
He’s not a sacred cow.
Great line….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
My new favorite. He was concussed most of the night.
GREAT!!!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Are you serious dude?
Yeah you can blame cutler but it’s obvious to anyone with a brain he was concussed at some point in the first quarter. He should have been pulled then for his safety and HANIE should be put in Collins is worthless
Jay has been taking an ass kicking since preseason has he made bad throws? Of course is it because he’s a bad qb? No. If you think drew brees manning or Brady could so better with what little we have on offense you are severly mistaken
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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JD...
It’s not that Jay doesn’t deserve the criticism, but more along the lines that it’s like saying Peppers is is a waste of money because he should have more sacks. Waaaaaay to many people want to be critical of the few players that are not the problem. I do not see the Lance Louis venom or Bowman hate club or the MarkAndersonisawaste.org website. Where are all the criticisms of Olsen’s “blocking” or Manu’s “blocking”? Don’t replace the engine if the brakes don’t work!
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kick him again
There is not a QB in history who would have made a good showing behind that line Sunday night.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 4, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Great points,
I have a hard time blaming Cutler too, I get that he held on too long a few times, but that was the worst O-line performance I think I have ever seen in a supposed professional football game.
Still not sure what to think about Tice, want to be mad at him, but not sure what he can be expected to do with one aging ex-pro bowl center, one potential first round bust, and a hodge podge of undrafted rookies and seventh round picks. It’s a disaster that has been discussed here ad nauseum. I’m not sure that there is a coach in the history of the NFL that could get something productive out of that O-line.
Good luck for the rest of the season
I’ll be pulling for the Bears in the North.
The Giants have some real freaks on the defensive line and, every blue moon, they just get it dialed in right. I wouldn’t think too much of it. 16-0 is now off the table, but things should look good for the Bears. Your mgmt worked its ass off in the offseason.
Also big ups on the many classy WCG people who have been at BBV this week.
You play to win the game!
Best wishes..
Very strong game by the D line. With the Eagles, apparently, coming back down to Earth, Good luck in the slugfest that is sure to be the NFC East.
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Sorry to hear about Cutler
I saw he got hurt, not sure what happened, but I hope he’s ok. I don’t wish anything bad on him and he’s your QB of the present and future. The offensive line is definitely suspect, but Martz’s scheme puts the QB in a tough spot anyways. Hopefully, for you guys they get it corrected. Bears defense and special teams looked good as usual though. Hey, 3-1 is better than 0-4 right?
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
I watched your whole game
yesterday afternoon. I was so pulling for you to beat GB.
I think it’s safe to say the Lions will be a force in the north very shortly.
There is a lot of work to be done with the Bears, especially on the O-line. Since this is a win-or-die year, I wonder if we’ll see Angelo and Lovie making a case for some linemen that might be even a tiny amount better than what we have currently. Could get real expensive, real quickly.
thats definitely the upside
nothing but respect for the Lions…good luck to your team this year, preciate the condolences
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Virto and BearNecessities
I appreciate the nice comments. I do hope that we get Stafford back next week and that Cutler isn’t out for a long period of time. We probably wouldn’t be 0-4 had Stafford not’ve gotten injured because he is our franchise QB with that cannon arm of his. And if Cutler comes back soon, the Bears still have a chance to recover from this devastating loss. Have to admit, I really didn’t think the Giants were this good though. In my mind, if the Bears did lose, I figured it would’ve been close. Guess the G-men were pissed off about the lack of respect the Giants were and the love the Jets were getting from the New York media
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
they aren't that good
our Oline is just that bad
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but like I said though
Mike Martz’s scheme puts quarterbacks in tough spots to begin with. Maybe that o-line is suspect, but the Giants are really good and Martz doesn’t help with extra protection.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
It's true
Martz gets people hit. Every offense under Martz has either led the leauge or been damn close in terms of sacks taken and turnovers.
It’s balanced out by the ability to make explosive plays. Martz expects QBs to get hit, and prepares them for it, but I don’t think he’s had to deal with a line that can’t block for more than half a second before.
This may actually be a bigger victory than you think...
I would not be surprised if it is the tie breaker for the wildcard spot in the NFC. And you thought your O-line was bad! Good luck brotha!
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Piggyback
i’ve always liked the bears(Payton was my first man crush) so i took no pleasure in stomping 2 of your QBs into the earth. you guys will bounce back, you have a reinvigorated Peppers(that fake out/in move he did was the football version of a killer crossover!) and a healthy D. good luck going forward.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Dear God the O-line was awful
Kreutz was almost average. Everyone else on the line was playing another sport (maybe it was Red Rover).
I too am curious to find out about Cutler’s concussion. I was frustrated with his decision making. Running out of bounds for a loss, multiple times… Hung onto to the ball way too long (at times). Maybe he couldn’t think.
Pretty sure Tommie Harris just fell down again.
Defense played well, not great. But certainly good enough to win this game.
Would’ve liked to have seen some more screens, draws etc… Still, I doubt the outcome would’ve been different.
Offensive Line
They are who we thought they were! Tice just is not doing the job and the offensive line is pathetic. No quarterback can compete constantly being pummeled like that. Da Bears are the QB killers we thought they were. I have to say in the whole league I have never seen so many head shots. Is this the NFL or the WWF?
I wonder if...
just not having a QB might be the short term answer. Let Forte, Taylor, and Hester run Wildcat formations with occasional Hanie sightings to keep the defense honest!
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Opps!
Said it before training camp, ….Tice has to do the shell game with the samo-samo- peas a few 7th rounders and cast-offs from the scrap heap.
Won’t matter.
The O-Line was destin to be a disaster, … unless to you DeNile was a river in Egypt :(
pbanachi
Remember in the offseason
when I was saying that they needed to invest in a back-up QB who could win us a few games if Jay was out for a couple weeks and everyone just dismissed it? Yeah, I guess I might have been right about that, eh?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions
Funny
That the guy that we got for that exact purpose is now also injured. And the circle comes back to Hanie.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Cause there's just a crapload of qb's who can win games on the market, EH?
Who do you suggest they should have gotten? This isn’t madden, you can’t have 2 pro bowl qb’s on your roster. Look at all the horrible qb’s in the NFL right now, do you really think there is anyone who was a free agent this summer that could win games for this team?
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was saying this very early in the offseason when we had many options
before several guys went to different teams or the UFL. Yes, there were several guys who were free agents who could win games for this team. Are you telling me that nobody who was a free agent is better than Collins or Hanie? Get real, dude.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Really, guys in the UFL? Total studs there.
And I asked, who would you have signed. Mark Bulger? Luke McCown? All those guys were free agents for a reason, they are crappy qb’s who no one trusts to win a game, just like Todd Collins.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm talking about at the time NFL QBs that went to the UFL, genius.
The ancient Collins and the joke Hanie have a slim chance to win us any games if Jay has to be out a week or two. Nothing wrong with Bulger or Garcia (who went to the UFL, by the way) or how about trading for John Kitna from Dallas who played great ball for Martz in Detroit? We could have done more and we didn’t because just like a lot of you guys on here you over look the importance of having a capable back-up.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would Bulger or garcia be upgrades?
Bulger hasn’t done anything in 2 years, Garcia hasnt even played in the NFL in 2 years and he didn’t want to sign with minny so why would he ever want to sign here? And once again, this isn’t madden, you can’t just say “hey trade me this guy” and there was never ever any indication the cowboys would trade John kitna, but way to Houdini that one out of thin air.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Bears could have taken an aggressive approach to finding a capable backup.
Are you saying that is an impossibility? Do you think if they wanted to sign Kitna they couldn’t have attempted to make a deal for him? Or any other QB who has worked with Martz would have been smart and hell yes I believe Bulger or Garcia would be upgrades. The whole point of this is the lack of importance on the back-up QB position now could be biting us in the ass. We can’t afford to lose any game that Jay might be out for and if you don’t agree then you aren’t a die-hard.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Having a mentality of
“If Jay goes down our season is over anyway” is pretty bullshit to me.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but there aren't many teams in the NFL...
who are in good shape if their starting QB goes down. A guy like Hanie “could be” the kind of player that comes out of nowhere. Collins was a stopgap at best until Hanie’s shoulder got healthy. Garcia and Martz probably would have been a nightmare together and, as several have said, there is a reason that he, Bulger, McCown, etc. weren’t signed by any other teams either.
You know I’ll take any chance I can get to pile on JA and Lovie, but this is one are I don’t really blame them for.
So what we shouldve trade our 3rd rounder for a backup qb?
I’m not a diehard because I don’t agree Bulger or Garcia would be upgrades? Solid argument. I asked for who they should have been aggressive about getting and you gave me Bulger (who signed with the preseason afc championship pick and who said he had no interest in signing with Chicago), Jeff Garcia (who turned down a popular NFC champ pick in minny, so why would he have wanted to sign with a team picked to finish 3rd in a division?) and you gave me Jon Kitna (who was never even a free agent and who Dallas wouldn’t trade because, guess what, other teams need backup qb’s too. Hard to believe, I know).
And how about instead of being agressive about getting a freaking backup you worry about protecting your starter? Seems that’d make more sense. But what do I know, I don’t think 2 guys who haven’t done diddly in the NFL in 2 years are any good so I’m obviously not a die hard.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 10:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I said if you think we can afford to lose games then you aren't diehard,
can you read? I would of gladly traded our 3rd round pick for Kitna, we’ve done NOTHING with our 3rd round picks for the past two drafts and we’ve released a good amount of them or PS them. Wow, those are extremely valuable picks. This argument in no way is me putting the importance of a back-up QB over the importance of having a capable offensive line. I’ve been complaining about this team not addressing the offensive line for YEARS now so that’s nothing new. Thought Tice could make something out of nothing but obviously he can’t. I know that we can’t just trade for Kitna if we choose obviously and I know QBs were hard to come by this offseason, my main point from the original post was that people were dismissing the importance of a back up QB and inevitably the Bears did too so now what? Let’s roll with Hanie and Collins, the Bears made their bed and now they have to lay in it. I would have made more of an attempt to solidify a #2 QB position. Martz made it clear that he felt confident in what he had and then as camp started to close he wanted someone else too. I guess arrogance can get the best of you until adversity is staring you in the face.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Who can afford to lose games?
What kind of statement is that even? Why would any fan of any team think the team can afford to lose?
And yeah, you said they should try to solidify the #2 spot and I keep asking who they should have gotten and you suggested 2 washed up qb’s and a guy who wasn’t available. So my original question is who the heck should they have gotten? Every team in the NFL is screwed if their starter goes down unless you build a strong D and running game. We have had a strong D but guess what, we have a makeshift offensive line with a bunch of failed lineman that the genius Tice was gonna suddenly make good despite the fact Tice blew in Minnesota. Theres not a chance any of the qb’s who were available in the offseason could win behind this line in a pass first offense, if they could they wouldn’t have been on the market in the first place.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you for informing me about our porous offensive line.
I was unaware. I guess it makes even more sense to have an inexperienced back-up QB behind our already terrible offensive line. You got me there, bud..
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It must be awesome to be psychic.
Since you absolutely know that any QB that I mentioned is washed up and just can’t possibly win us a few ball games. Thank God for you, Lopey. What would WCG do without our resident psychic waiting in the shadows for the right time to drop your extremely accurate assessment of NFL QBs upon us. Give me a break.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Well all you mentioned are Bulger and Garcia.
And Bulger hasn’t done a thing in the NFL in at least 2 or 3 years. Garcia hasn’t even played in the NFL in 2 years.
That’s not washed up?
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Garcia is an eagle right now
and actually played 1 game for the eagles last year…so that makes your statement irrelevant
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Being a handoff machine for one game
He did play a decent 11 games in 2008, which is within the two years, why not cite that?
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt do that much research
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would we want Garcia anyway?
He is the exact opposite of everything the martz offense needs at qb. It would be a disaster.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 12:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Settle, settle.
I actually agree with you here. Garcia’s career is way overblown.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ooh except he isn't.
It’s a rumor and the eagles denied it.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 12:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not being used during your time as a back-up QB
doesn’t determine that you are washed up. I’d be happy to have Garcia as our #2 backup any day. Kitna as well and Bulger would be a distant 3rd with his concussion issues but nevertheless great for our Martz offense.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh and when I asked for who else you suggest we should have signed
You came up with no one and instead personally attack me and ridicule me. Impressive. Funny I got a warning and locked out of my account for saying the dreaded F word but you’re allowed to personally ridicule me for having a different opinion than you when I’ve held my tongue and kept this debate civil.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 11:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, you sound so offended.
I’m having a debate here with you like I do with my friends about football and if it gets a little heated so be it. I don’t control what the “powers at be” do in accordance to what you write but I would say the same thing to you as well in the argument if it got to the point. It’s just how discussions play out sometimes, not something to get all sore about.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If you wanted me so badly to give you other players
that I would suggest the Bears to sign then I could do that if I went back and looked at the FA list from the beginning of the off-season but I figured that giving two good examples of a FA QB and a possibility through trade would be valid enough to prove my point that there were good options for a #2. Kyle Boller or McCown were worth a look as well.
Savvy veterans can both help a QBs development and pull a team out of a jam and win a few games, they are quite valuable to me. Look at what Chad Henne said about Pennington tonight about how much he was helping his game, if we had someone familiar with the Martz offense Jay could be getting pointers from not only the coordinator but a former Martz QB who has been in game situations with him before. Sounds like a better idea then signing a blocking TE who can’t block and paying him like he’s a stud doesn’t it?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You are fairly trollish.
You tend to attack people more than their comments.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Actually I retract that statement
You tend to attack both equally. As a matter of fact, you tend to attack everyone. You have great ideas, you just swing and miss when presenting them. Leave other people’s opinions out of it and you are a very competent poster on this sight. The second you respond to someone…..?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
And why is Hanie a joke?
Because he wasn’t a high pick bonus baby? There have been plenty of late round picks to find success in the NFL and there have been plenty of qb’s who played at small schools in college who have had success in the NFL. How can you write off a guy we have never even seen play?
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Arizona put in Max Hall in relief of Anderson yesterday
We’re not the only team who would be in trouble by losing their starting QB. I would’ve liked Bulger, but I can’t imagine he would be any better than Collins/Hanie.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I didnt know we got rid of Lefevour (sp?)
I think he would have been better than Collins…in the words of my fiance..he threw like a six year old girl….
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
oh yea
we tried to get him to clear waivers…that lasted about 5 seconds, i think Cincy scooped him up?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Cincy nabbed him
They considered him their “project” QB of the future. That’s a lot to assume that much risk, especially considering Palmer’s durability concerns.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Why oh why oh why do we keep geriatric QBs????
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Composure, mostly
remember in the preseason, Jay couldn’t make a good pass to save his life. Then suddenly Collins comes out and moves the offense up and down the field.
It’s basically the same reason we got Griese before. Experience, calm nature, ability to manage the game. Of course, last night he became a million-dollar tackling dummy. Go figure.
I wish that would have happened last nite...omg...just thinking about it give me the willies...
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
There was no
way any QB could handle what was being thrown at us last night.
No blocks = on the turf. Two injuries as a result.
He can be their "project"
Because you’ve got two Palmers in front of him.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Except most of those guys...
would’ve still wanted starting jobs out of the gate. Which there’s no chance they’d get here unless/until Jay got smeared on the turf.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
In the history of the NFL,
there haven’t been a lot of, if any, qb’s that could win a game when the o-line played like that.
Mike Vick would look daaaaamnnnn good right now,
just saying.
With a shredded shoulder?
At least he could run in circles i guess.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He'd be coming off of the bench right now, so he would be healthy.
I was insinuating we could have dealt for him in the preseason. Word is Philly was shopping him hard, and they weren’t asking for much.
What about JT O'Sullivan
He was a Martz darling in San Fran and probably would have been picked up before Collins had he been available. He is a FA now because the Bengals released him to make room for my boy LeFevour.
I would take Garcia, but didn’t he play miserably for a year in the Martzfense in Detroit and everyone thought he was done until he landed w/ Reid in Philly? I don’t think he’d want to join a Martz team because of last time.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
pretty sure Garcia is an Eagle again
which removes him from discussion anyways.
JT O’Sullivan…shudders
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I heard yesterday he is in the UFL but would get out of it if the right NFL team called. I heard his name thrown out for the Eagles ONLY if Vick is going to be out for an extended period of time but I have not seen anything official but I could be wrong so I don’t know.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Oct 4, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i just did a quick google
and it looks like he was picked up…could be wrong though
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
JT O'Sullivan
Love it… NFL Europe’s MVP Baby!
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by David Taylor on Oct 4, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't Matter! For Christ Sake!
Sid Luckman, Johnny U, Joe Montana … your talkin the “killin ground” behind this O-line!!!!!
pbanachi
So when do we start holding open O-Line tryouts?
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions
5' 11" 135 lbs
isn’t exactly O-Line build. Maybe DB or WR. Maybe.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, 6'4" 315 lbs isn't working!
Might as well give it a try.
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by David Taylor on Oct 4, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
Hmm… My cousin is about 5’6", 150, and he’s playing a pretty solid guard on his high school team… I guess it could work?
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Joe Montana
Will get killed on this team. At least give Cutler the freedom to audible out of some plays dammit!
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
O line is not the problem
Or rather, O Line is only a part of the problem.
Put Peyton Manning behind the Bears O Line in the first half last night, he’s not sacked 9 times. Put Tom Brady behind the Bears O Line in the first half last night, he’s not sacked 9 times. Hell, put Brett Favre behind the Bears O Line in the first half last night, he’s not sacked 9 times. (And God it hurts me even to say that last one…)
Cutler has incredibly physical talent…but he just doesn’t “get it.” He doesn’t understand how to play QB in the NFL. He’s lacking the vision, the understanding, the ability to process the information in front of his face fast enough to be able to perform and make good decisions. Though I agree with the sentiments expressed in last night’s game thread that Collinsworth is a *, the fact is, his analysis last night of Cutler’s shortcomings were spot-on. When you line up, and to your left there are 3 WR’s and 3 DB’s and nobody else, and one of those 3 DB’s blitzes, you HAVE to see that, you HAVE to understand that one of those 3 WR’s is going to be wide open and hit him. Brady or Manning reads that correctly and hits that correctly 99/100 times. Cutler can’t seem to get it. It’s not like he saw it and threw an incomplete pass because he was rattled or whatever. He didn’t even SEE it.
This is not nuclear physics. This is Quarterbacking 101.
Now if you want to blame it on the fact he got a concussion much earlier in the game…okay. That’s a glass-half-full reading if I ever heard one. But we’ve seen these things from Cutler before, so I don’t think you can blame it on a concussion. We’ve seen him hold the ball WAY too long. We’ve seen him refuse to take the “gimme” 8-12 yard plays and instead try to force things deep. He doesn’t understand the mechanics of the game. He has the physical ability to excel in games where our team is able to overmatch the other team. But when he’s under duress, he’s unable to make the most of a bad situation.
Sorry to go on a rant, but as I was watching last night I realized more and more that as badly as the line played, a lot of the blame goes on Cutler too.
by JohnPaul on Oct 4, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd jus like to point out that nuclear physics is significantly easier than playing quarterback in the national football league.
Pat Riley is the devil.
There have been plenty of dumb qb's
Look no further than big Ben. Dude has nothing in that huge head and is good. Has nothing to do with being smart or dumb it has to do with having a feel for the game, that’s where I think cutler is lacking.
by lopey986 on Oct 4, 2010 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Awareness and having an understanding of the game is a lot different than being book smart. You have to be able to translate into game-time decisions. I have no idea if he was rattled from the concussion, but he normally makes those reads and throws. He has definitely limited his bad-decision making compared to last season.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
It does...
But that’s where I start thinking he got hurt earlier in the game. He didn’t look like he could focus too well; those short drags were passes he was nailing early in the year. He completed 8 of his first 10 or 12, but after hit after hit after hit, especially coming off Monday’s slugfest, he just looked incredibly gunshy and you could just tell that he probably was having a hard time being aware of anything around him. He probably should’ve been removed before the Ross sack.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 4, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Out for the Count!
The camera pan was all you needed! :)
pbanachi
While Jay did hold on to the ball too long on some plays.
He shouldn’t be pressured like that on every down. If Peyton who is primarily a pocket passer and slow he would get killed too Rivers, Brees anyone would get either sacked or hit possibly every down on this team. Martz also didn’t adjust as well and Cutler doesn’t have the freedom to audible out of plays. When the QB is getting hit like that all game YOU RUN THE BALL its common sense. As it stands now this is the worst O-line that I have ever seen. It falls back on the coaching and mostly on the front office (Angelo) thinking (that its all going to be fine we got Tice and nobody else) Bullsh*t.
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
I disagree
Cutler looked for the deep pass only, rather than dumping it off to his shorter route checkdowns. On at least two of the sacks he had people wide open over the middle or in the flat.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
As much as I hate to say it...
I agree with you…Cutler held on far too long…we counted up to six and seven a few times…get rid of the ball….our OL is awful and I was embarrassed to be a Bears fan last nite…dont know the last time I said that!!
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
First off, I said he might be done
If he turns it around this season, fine. But up to this point, he’s been pretty terrible. Being 30th in any statistical category is awful and indicative of a problem. I never said he was the reason Bryant took it to the house. My point is that even when you correct for our coverage mistakes by removing tHe most glaring example of a coverage breakdown, Maynard still had been pretty bad. Now obviously this hasn’t lost us anygames, but thats only because punting, quite frankly, doesn’t really win or lose games for you. Our defense has succeeded in spite of Maynard not because of him. And the statement about other teams having bad field position after punts is simply wrong. Again, as a team, we are 30th in net punting average. Next time look up the facts before you write something that is blatantly untrue.
Pat Riley is the devil.
You get it but Cutler don't...yeah right.
playing football is actually nothing like watching football on TV.
by 62bearsthe best on Oct 4, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
It sure is hard to see the whole picture that is for sure.
In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I got the call
“John Paul?? John Paul!”
(seinfeld reference…)
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
You are just wrong...
there is no simpler way to put it. You can say that Cutler takes too many risks or that he tries to force throws into tight spots or even that he guesses wrong on WR route adjustments. However, all of his coaches have gone out of their way to note his intellect and they do not use the idiotic football cliches of “football IQ” or “intangibles” to describe it. If anything is true, it’s that he over analyzes the situations and tries to compensate for the lack of “football IQ” or talent on his offense. I’ve literally lost count of how many times Devin Hester is not in the correct alignment and Jay has to tell him where to go. For you to suggest that, on balance, Jay has much to improve upon in comparison to the O-line is moronic at best.
And yes it does make a huge difference when you are concussed. That is not a trivial thing. The difference is when you are mentally impaired/drunk, they game still gets played the same, no matter how much you yell at the screen. You are correct that Jay is not as good as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but few people are. But to suggest that his being sacked is because of his “stupidity” shows us more about your understanding of football, than his.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMY!...
Aside from the obvious offensive issues...
I just want to point out right now that #4 has been awful this year. He’s 30th in the league in punting average and net average. Even if you throw out the 62-yard TD return by Dez Bryant, he’d still be bottom 5 in net average. Maynard’s been stellar for years but i think he might be done.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yeah, he's done after 4 games.
His punting has really ruined a lot for us this season, right? His punt was the reason why Dez Bryant housed it on us. Our defense is stepping up big and we’ve had good field position against opposing offenses after punts for a majority of the season so far and you think he’s done. Stick to polo.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
First off, I only said he might be done.
If he turns it around this season, fine. But up to this point, he’s been pretty terrible. Being 30th in any statistical category is awful and indicative of a problem. I never said he was the reason Bryant took it to the house. My point is that even when you correct for our coverage mistakes by removing the most glaring example of a coverage breakdown, Maynard still had been pretty bad. Now obviously this hasn’t lost us any games, but thats only because punting, quite frankly, doesn’t really win or lose games for you. Our defense has succeeded in spite of Maynard not because of him. And the statement about other teams having bad field position after punts is simply wrong. Again, as a team, we are 30th in net punting average. Next time look up the facts before you write something that is blatantly untrue.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Here's the facts for you, bud.
He’s 3rd in the league with punts inside the 20 with 9, the best in the league has 11. I believe that sounds like poor field position for the opposing team. In gross punting yards, Maynard ranks 12th in the league. His longest punt is only 50 yards which is weak compared to most punters in the league. So in 22 total punts this season he has 9 within the 20, 3 touchback, 2 fair-catches, and 11 returned. We have allowed 93 total yards on those 11 returns and 1 TD. So where exactly are you getting that Maynard is 30th in the league? Stats like that wouldn’t average out to be 30th, where are you getting your facts from? I think I’m the one who knows what I’m talking about here and you need to “look up the facts before you write something that is blatantly untrue.”
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 4, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Here
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/punting/sort/netAvgPuntYards
Sort by net average, and you will clearly see that Brad Maynard is 30th in the league. I spit the truth.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Net Average
is not everything to punters, however…
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2010 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh, not really.
PSDB’s done all that legwork already, but his net’s because he’s either punting it into the endzone or out of bounds before it reaches said endzone, then there was that one 62-yard return for a TD (which I believe that counts against it). I, personally, am mildly alarmed that his longest is only 50, but he’s always been more of an accuracy guy anyway. As long as he’s still pinning the other team, I’m fine with him.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
But the point is he's not pinning the team as well as he used to
Being good at pinning the other team helps your net. Yes Brad’s always been good at pinning the other team at the 10 instead of giving them a touchback, but that factors into net average because when you kick a touchback, that’s a -20 in net yards. In his prime, Brad was able to consistently be near or in the top 10 in net average despite not having the leg strength of the guys like Sauerbrun and Lechler. But he simply hasn’t been that good this year. And like I said before, even if you take away that 62-yard return, he’d still be bottom 5 in net average. Brad’s not getting the job done right now, and at the age of 36, he’s not getting any younger.
Pat Riley is the devil.
How does it help your net?
Kicking from their 40 to the 10 or 5 is far different than kicking from your 40 to the 10 or 5. In your rush to criticize his net yardage, it’s hard to punt for distance when you’re intentionally reducing your yardage anyway. I think you need some different wording here, cause “help” isn’t the one I’d use when having to intentionally scale back your power.
He’s never been a real power guy, so why we’re using power numbers to measure him is beyond me for one, and for two, nine punts inside the twenty of 22 is still fine.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, he's old, fine.
But a punter isn’t a guy you’re gonna rush to draft at the top of your board anyway, and clearly we have far more vital things to worry about than Maynard.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fair
But successful organizations fix problems before they cripple the team, not after. I think it would be a big mistake not to at least bring in some guys for tryouts to see if they can better Maynard’s production.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I think you misunderstood what I said
Let me reword my argument. If you’re punting from the 50 yard line and the ball lands in the endzone from a touchback, your recorded net is +30 yards. If you punt from the 50 yard line and the ball lands out of bounds at the 10, your recorded net is +40 yards. So being good at pinning teams inside the 20 is a skill that is reflected by net average. Therefore, net average theoretically measures both accuracy and power. The flaw in net average is that it doesn’t account for the skill of your coverage team, but our coverage team under Toub is supposedly one of the best in the league, so I doubt that’s the problem.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Steve Rosenbloom:
The Giants sacked Jay Cutler nine times, forced him to fumble three times, intercepted him once and gave him a concussion.
He’s not dead yet, but give his blockers time.
And then this gem:
Bears third-and-10 at their own 49 in the first quarter, and Cutler underthrew an open Devin Hester down the sideline. What looked like a touchdown in a scoreless game instead became a punt. And then Cutler’s brain got turned into oatmeal.
Say what you will about Rosenbloom, but the guy has a way with words.
This is just one game, albeit a terrible one, so let's see how/if the coaching staff can get them to come back
against Carolina. Personally, I’ve never had any respect for Lovie and his ability to get his team up for a game but I’ll give Martz, Tice, and Marinelli the benefit of the doubt for right now. If they look bad against Carolina, then I see what I thought might happen after the pre-season and this being a .500 team at best.
Some of my thoughts while I was watching the debacle:
- Perhaps the lack of contact in training camp is the biggest problem in really evaluating our talent. Everything looks better when you don’t have to finish off plays.
- No wonder everyone thought our D-line would be great in training camp, they just go up against our O-line.
- Ditto for the O-line going up against our D-line (outside of Peppers, who hasn’t taken any plays off that I’ve seen)
- My fears of Martz when they named him as OC were realized in that game. He is stubborn and will only do things his way as per his reputation. Lovie/JA need to rein him in regarding the running game.
- How many times do we have to see Forte tiptoe on 3rd and short before we realize he’s not a back for that situation? At least try Chester Taylor in that role to see if we can at least pick up a yard rather than losing two.
- What happened to Martz’ claim when he first came here that Hester would make the perfect slot receiver in his scheme and could fill the Az Hakeem role? Wouldn’t that solve the DA problem and give us at least one big target?
- While I like the idea that they are trying the 2 new O-linemen in game situtations, was it the smartest thing to do to have them next to each other after Bowman’s fumble recovery? Schaefer had to be a safer bet in that short area of the field to get us some breathing room.
From an email chain between some of the WCG staffers before the Lions game:
The one damn thing I want to see more than anything else: I hope we look good.
Not good in the sense of winning handily, but just look graceful on the field.
Too many times last season (and I saw every game except maybe two), whether we won or lost, we looked sloppy. I’d say only 4-6 total offensive series did we really just click every play and march down the field. Same defensively, we just never “looked good.”
Win or lose, I hope we at least look like we’ve got our shiat together. No stumbling, fumbling, missing tackles, falling down, pancake blocked, wrong routes, etc.
Last night was just embarrasing at times. The first three weeks saw Martz and Tice be able to patch the holes up on the OL, and to compensate the inability to block anyone by calling plays that basically just fooled the defense… pulls, angles, traps, misdirections, etc. It worked the first three weeks, but I’ve said in each of those three weeks that we couldn’t keep pulling that off all season.
Well, last night we saw what happens when we can’t fool ’em. And there are several other defenses on our schedule that we ar not likely to be able to fool either. Our OL is who we think they are, and are who they were last year. Tice and Martz have their hands full, and it is possibly an impossible task.
I think this is a little unfair to the defense
I think the Bears defense has been humbled a bit. As good as they’ve been the past four weeks, they let the Giants re-establish their running game in force tonight, giving up 129 yards to Bradshaw, and 62 to Jacobs.
A lot of the yards were gained during garbage time, and after the defense was out there for way too long.
My little recap:
-T. Harris needs to be cut…now.
-Urlacher was really good, but let one Int get away from him. The other one was on the safeties for not reacting well to the second deflection.
- DMS still taking horrible angles versus the run
- Louis and Kreutz missed horribly on a double-team of a DT; came free for a sack without so much a touch.
- Jennings and Moore were flying around. They deserve to be out there.
- Hester looked good running routes
- Cutler looked lost and disinterested from the start of the game
- Forte has awful vision, and shouldn’t be running the football. How about keeping your feet moving instead of falling into the pile? I saw a few holes he could’ve easily had nice runs on.
- Taylor needs to exclusively run in-between the tackles
- Every TE was terrible at blocking, especially Manu and Olsen
- Tillman is still slow
- Briggs was non-existent in this game
- Shaffer was toast in pass-protection
- Every one of the coaches looked pissed beyond belief at the very poor showing. Tice’s countenence wreaked of “I’m going to whip my linemen into shape this week during practice.”
That is all for now…
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"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
this pretty much sums up my feelings
except I believe you move Moore and Jennings into the CB spots, move Tillman to Safety(to play and also mentor M Wright) either move Manning back to nickel or get rid of him…and this offensive line…needs to be executed
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to add
Maybe they should think of trading for Mankins now. I would think a 3rd or 4th would get the job done.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
he's only like 27/28
which means he probably has at least 4-7 years left, i’d go as high as a 2nd rounder, or the 3rd or 4th and throw in T harris and D Manning?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No wants
trash Harris, but I think Darth Hoody would have some use for DMS.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
When you are on the field all game you will give up plays and yards.
In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I never said anything about giving up yards and plays
The defense suffered from being on the field too long. It was garbage time, and they were deflated cause of the offenses’ inability to do anything constructive.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
padding the stats, if you will
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Not garbage time.
See my comment below
If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?
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Thanks
I still think the entire second half was pretty much garbage time though. It was a foregone conclusion the Bears would lose based soley on their offensive offense.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
False.
A 3-0 game in the middle of the third quarter is not a foregone conclusion, regardless of how inept your offensive line looks to be.
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by Kev H on Oct 4, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a normal game
I’d have to agree, but this was no normal game. It was up to the defense or special teams to score, and that’s obviously very difficult.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Or not.
3rd Quarter, starting at 8:06. Still only behind 3-0, on the drive resulting in Bradshaw’s TD, Bradshaw had the following plays:
4 yard rush.
13 yard rush.
25 yard rush.
3 yard rush—TD.
That’s 1/3rd of his yards for the day. On one drive. When the game was, against all odds, still possibly in the realm of possibility a win.
Now Jacobs, on the other hand, got 51 yards in the two minutes. That’s garbage time. But in the critical part of the 3rd quarter, the ball got run down their throats.
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I called the defense overrated last night
That “first rated run defense” does a crap job of getting off the field by anything other than a fluky turnover.
I can’t remember more than 3 legit stops done by this defense.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Points are all that matter
Yards given up don’t mean squat. Turnovers are king in the NFL, and when a team does it with regularity like the Bears do (lead the league by a wide margin since Lovie’s tenure started) it’s not “fluky.”
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
instead of putting the emphasis
on getting a ball-punch strip turnover… I wish the staff put more emphasis on actually stopping the pass from being completed and the tackle actually being made.
Getting turnovers is great DEPENDING on them is not.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
They played pretty darn well under the circumstances
They were put in really bad positions all night long by the most pathetic offensive I’ve ever seen. Blame should be squarely on the shoulders of the offense.
Four out of five of the Giants series were 3 and outs, and on the next possession Peppers caused Manning’s first fumble. The next three Giant series were 3 and outs. That’s seven possessions out of eight where the defense did their job. After the Giants scored their first TD late in the third quarter, they stopped them twice. One with a 3 and out, and the other with a second Manning fumble. Followed by Bowman’s punch of Bradshaw, then Jacobs TD.
There were a total of fourteen possessions (15 total, but last one was a kneeldown). The defense stopped them on 11 of those to a good offense. Not sure what you and Kev are seeing here.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
They played hard, no doubt
but at the time when a truly great defense gets itself off the field or makes a play? they failed.
They tried. And they got screwed by an anemic and pathetic offensive effort. But if they had a chance to truly make a difference and be special. They didn’t.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
That's fine and dandy
You were talking as if they were mostly to blame for the loss. They weren’t great, but definitely good enough to win the game.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I'm with you on this one propheteer
Nothing really to add. I think you’ve covered it.
Bears O-line/offense lost this game.
The D played very well.
Having absolutely no offense
is going to make you lose the game. The Bears D played good football but they can only be on the field so long without eventually surrendering some points. Unless the Bears pulled another “Monday Night Miracle” on Sunday, we weren’t going to win with what we were presenting offensively.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Oct 5, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
O line
Its time to fire Jerry Angelo now so his replacement can better assess this amateur offensive line. Angelo did not build an offesive in Tampa and he surely isn’t doing it now. The Bears need a GM like the late Jim FInks who built the Minnesota Vikings and the ‘85 Bears. A GM who is knowledgeable on both sides of the ball. Mike Tice is now officially a bust. Other than Kreutz, everyone from Tackle to Tackle needs to be replaced or relegated to backup roles. The defense perfromed well as did special teams. Fire Lovey now also and make Toub headcoach. Get someone to teach Olsen how to block.
I also saw the new TE Mau….. whatever miss block after block. Blocking was supposed to be his specialty. Why was he brought here? Oh yes, he was one of Lovey’s boys from the Rams.
Why would
Tice be officially a bust now? You can’t hold him alone accountable for the level of playing from the O-line. He’s got not much to work with, he’s not a miracle worker.
Well put
I think Tice has gotten everything he’s going to get from this crew. I have no doubt that his coaching ability has made the line better, but there comes a point when you just can’t get productivity from people that have nothing left in the tank.
It was a bad game but there were other factors too,
I maintain that this is just a letdown game coming off that Monday night victory. It’s hard to win on the road after something like that. However, we needed to try to establish the run. Haugh points out that they only tried like 7 run plays in the first 30 plays or something like that. The line just got dominated. Cutler did not play well, held the ball too long but there was nothing anyone could from Martz, to Tice, to Cutler, to the O-line to stop the Giants last night.
Lastly, all the luck went the Giants’ way last night. The Bears had a lot of breaks go their way in the first 3 games, like those deflections against the Cowboys going to our DBs, last night there were, what, two or three deflections that just fell to the ground harmlessly? The Bears could not catch a break last night.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
and if i told you
we had 2 sacks, three FF’s and could possibly have had 2-4INT’s…almost no one would believe we lost
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame us, for not storming the doors of Halas Hall, and taking over
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
How do you storm the doors of a corporation
and take it over?
If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....
Thanks Dane! Need a few laughs today!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMY!...
WTF?!
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
hmm...where to begin...
well…here some of my thoughts of the game:
1) O-line may have cost us a couple games of no Cutler. He was getting thrown around like a rag doll out there. I know Cutler wears his emotions on his sleeve and after this game, I really dont blame him. Whether he suffered a concussion(s), I wouldnt of went back out there for the 2nd half either. Definitely “embarrassing” is the word to use for the O-line.
2) Where’s Dez?? Manu sucks at blocking and thats his ONLY job. I’ve not been impressed w/ him so far. Waste of money so far….
3) Defense was solid for 3 quarters. I think they gave up in the 4th after they knew the offense wasnt gonna contribute anything to the game and I dont blame them either…
4) We know the O-line sucks, but why can’t Forte run for more than 2 yds?? He’s better than that. I think it’s time “humble him” and go to our back up plan, Taylor. Taylor at least showed some production w/ the 4-5 touches he got. Why not try some split back plays w/ both of them coming out of the backfield, both block, or have 1 run while the other blocks for him…
5) Tommie needs to go…via trade or release. Cut the loses!
6) For the O-line woes…a part of me wants to blame Tice and Martz, a part of me wants to blame JA, and a part of me feels they really have nothing to work with so they cant really do anything…we’ll go w/ all they above.
how many more seasons of sup 4 ypc will everyone take before we accept that Forte
is just not very good
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
sub*
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Forte is terrible
I saw some holes last night, and again, he couldn’t recognize or see the cutback lane. For someone who has great open-field vision, in-between the tackles he just gives up and falls down. Horrible display of running.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Is it possible that we are the worst 3-1 team ever?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Naw
This is the NFL and parity reigns supreme. I’m chalking it up as a bad loss- the line played decent versus better defenses. If they can beat Carolina, then it’s a great start either way.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Chiefs next week...
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
Oh and is anyone now looking forward to
the return of Chris Williams after last night? Or do you think he’ll just make it more of the same?
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Oct 4, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
I am
He may have the same stabilizing effect like he did last year when they shifted him over to LT.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Giants fan here
Don’t get too down on the loss. Look at our loss last week vs Titans. We dominated most facets of the game but still lost. It’s just one loss. Da Bears are still atop the division.
The Bears defense played very well. They had Eli rattled. The Giants offense made 2nd half adjustments. Coming into the 2nd half the Bears defense didn’t have to make adjustments. They shut down the Giants offense. The Giants with OC Killbride suffers the same way the Bears suffer under Martz. Their inability to adjust during the game. Both offenses were terrible in the 1st half. Neither Killdrive or Martz made any adjustments during the half.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
and we have at least 2 more night games right?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
Thats why Cutler was holding the ball so long.
It was the glare… not because he was concussed.
by IndyBearsFan88 on Oct 4, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i think i mentioned blu blockers on the game thread last night Dane
Surely there must be a way to help his vision IF he has a vision problem at night.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
This game was a testament to the incompitence of Jerry Angelo!
When you look at what the primary reason for the overall lack of production on offense, it comes down to the offensive line. That unit has been below average for years, and yet J.A. doesnt feel that it is necessary to draft O-Lineman earlier than the 7th round. Anybody with any kind of kknowledge about the game of football knows that you have to win in the trenches to have any kind of success on either side of the ball. It doesnt matter how much speed or talent you have at the “skill” positions if you cant block for them. I dont care if the Bears win the F*&%in Super Bowl this year, if Jerry Angelo is not fired I will make the 2 hour drive to Chicago and picket outside of Halas Hall (torch and pitchfork in hand)!
Lovie Smith = accountability. Always has, always will.
What now Lovie?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Omiyale is our
starting RG RT LT
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We like the way our O-line is shaping up
Maybe it’s time for it to be shipped out.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
wow em BEAR ASSING
good things defense.. bad things o line and cutler.. someone mentioned on another post that it could be cutlers diabetic condition? ofcourse besides the fact he got killed last night.. he just doesnt seem to see well in night games..
run the ball more and mix up the running plays forte is good but not a power runner.. they need that.. chester taylor is just a bit bigger version of forte but basically the same kind of back..
hope culter is ok
Think we could convince Tampa to let us have
LeGarrette Blount?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
Alright then, time to move on?
looks like Steve Smith is out next week pop off
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Even if Cutler
is ruled out, we have a good chance to beat the Panthers. The defense will play hard and keep things close, just like they always have in our best seasons. I’d suspect that Hanie would get the start if Cutler is down, and Collins is fighting a stinger.
Hanie has the arm strength to make some of Martz’s favorite down the field plays and he’s more mobile than Collins. I think they’d be able to open more of the playbook for Hanie than Collins would be able to handle.
Should be interesting to see practice this week. Martz typically gives the starting QB 100% of all practice reps. Even if Cutler is cleared, will they give him 100% this week?
Cutler clearly gives us the best chance to win
so i’d say Cutler plays this weekend, look for MANY 2 yard slants/outs, and bubble screens to make sure he stays up right
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This is bigger than winning
A concussion should be treated by doctors not the team. If Doctors clear him, fine. But he should not be cleared solely because of a winnable game.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I dont see how this is relevant to what I said
Even if Cutler is cleared, will they give him 100% this week
the point was made that if Cutler was cleared, would he play 100 percent…the answer is yes, straight from Lovie’s mouth
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Your comment appears to say
that Cutler gives us the best chance of winning so they’d obviously play him and go with a quick passing game.
I was trying to pump your brakes a bit because this is bigger than a game.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
regardless of what the doctors say
which I imagine will clear will him, a concussion takes more than a week…so it’s really pointless to debate how big it is, one way or another he’s gonna suit up before he’s ready.
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The team has doctors on staff
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Packers S Morgan Burnett
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
We're #1, we're #1, we're #1!!!!
Seriously though, for a fair and somewhat unbiased take on Jay Cutler’s performance last night read this
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Remember when I said last week...
That I hope both of our teams are healthy when they play?
I’m gonna go ahead and change that now to hoping both teams can field a full roster. Yeesh. This year is brutal.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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Yup...
But, if we have to play 7-on-7, I do know that the Bears offense saw quite a bit of success with that this past offseason.
especially if there is a no contact rule in effect
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
With quarterbacks wearing special red jerseys!
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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YAY!
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Oct 4, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Peppers back in Carolina
Maybe he somehow manage to be better than he has been and get a million bazillion sacks.
I'll take the under on that one :)
He should have a big game, as well as Harris.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Steve Harris.
My dentist. The guys a real bum.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
No
That’s actually my good friend who lives in the city and works at the Opera House. He smokes and drinks at lunch and on his breaks. He can put away a half a dozen black russians in a sitting.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Thanks
I love the new throwbacks, so I had to get it on there. Who better than the Bears best player?
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Tommie should be cut immediately
He has proved his uselessness, but I was talking about the Hitman Harris.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
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- Alex Smith joins the burgeoning ‘stats are for losers’ movement
- Roger Goodell wants Wi-Fi in every stadium
- Plaxico Burress wants to workout for the Dolphins; Dolphins don’t want Plaxico Burress
