Thoughts From NFL Week 4: Chicago Bears and Beyond
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM CDT
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PrintYes, Windy City Gridiron is primarily a Bears site, but if you're like me you're a fan of football, NFL football to be more precise. And after that horrendous offensive performance by the Chicago Bears, I know I need to get my mind off the Bears for a while. So check out some of my thoughts and chime in with some of yours.
And Bears fans... don't get that down... the winless Carolina Panthers are next up in week 5.
1) Good for Donovan McNabb quarterbacking the Redskins to a win in Philly. And kudos on the much maligned Philadelphia fans for the show of class before the game.
2) Will a 7-9 team win a Division this year? The NFC West celler dwelling 49ers are 0-4, but I still think they are the best team in that division.
3) ... had Nate Clements just ran out of bounds or fell down after his pick they would be 1-3. Silly defensive players...
4) Josh Scobee (59 yards for the win!) showed once again that kickers are football players too.
5) Running a Cover 2 defense sure is better when you have an entire defensive line that can get after the QB like the Giants do (8.5 sacks by their line and 10 sacks overall). Tom Coughlin had his team ready.
6) It's not often a 9 sack performance by a defense fails to be the top sacking performance of the day, but the day of San Diego's Shaun Phillips was something to be seen. Four sacks and a pick 6.
7) I think the Browns are close to being a real good football team. They've lost their 3 games this year by a combined 12 points.
8) I said it earlier this season, but it's worth another mention. LaDanian Tomlinson is a great fit with the Jets.
9) If Kyle Orton can keep this up, legendary college QB Tim Tebow will never see the field. Why did they draft him or trade for Brady Quinn for that matter?
10) Who's the best team in the NFC right now?
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AND I had Arian Foster on my FF team.
What’s up with him being benched for almost the entire 1st half???
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
So did a good friend of mine
He’s not losing by 2 points with Moss (his player) and Gostowski (opponent). He was pissed to say the least!
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
*now*
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Well...
Due to having about 5 players w/ bye weeks I was forced to pickup Marshawn Lynch and start Owen Daniels and Demaryious Thomas. Between Cutler, Lynch, Daniels and Thomas I had a total of -0.82 points. I’m pretty pissed myself.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
That sucks
You have to look at the byes in order to avoid a mass exodus to your bench my young padawan. Learn much you need…. :-]
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
LOL! Jay's on my team and got -14 some-odd points, the way we count it.
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The good news is I just sold 2 tickets for the redskin game for mucho dinero!!
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-
My thoughts on each.
1. Same. This is the city that boo’d Santa Claus, boo’d Donny Mac when they drafted him, and put up with Iverson. Generally classless fanbase. Good to see the standing O when Donny Mac hit the field.
2. We ask this every year. And every year it’s a 9-7 team that comes out of that division.
3. Well, that’s just poor coaching there…
4. Why don’t we let Gould try those again?
5. I thought the Giants ran something different from the Tampa-Two scheme?
6. Dominating.
7. In the same way the Hello Kittens are close to being a good football team.
8. It’s still early, and the Jets have the best offensive line in football.
9. NECKBEARD!!! I’ve liked this guy for years, thought it was a mistake starting Rex over him, and am glad to see him finally doing something good in the NFL.
10. Nobody. The NFC, as a whole, sucks this year. Every team has a major flaw, most have multiples. If you were to hold a gun to my head, I’d say the Saints, but they have this annoying tendency to play down to their opponent’s level.
Giants hired Perry Fewell
because they wanted to run more Cover 2 concepts
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 4, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the cover-2 was antiquated and figured out?
Silly me…
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
haha nice!
When you don’t give a QB time, he can’t find those “holes” in the zone
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 4, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
In its most basic form...
Cover-2 is simply a way to describe a defense that utilizes 2 deep safeties. Most teams in the NFL run some kind of C-2 at some point during their defense. It’s the reason I make pains to distinguish between Cover-2, Tampa-2 (the defensive system developed by Tony Dungy for the Tampa Bay Bucs in the late 90s and early 00s), and the Lovie-2 (the ineffective defense we’ve been running since running out Chico Rivera).
it is a cover 2 concept
at times. Fuel has shown to bring many exotic looks so far this season, from our NASCAR look(4 defensive ends), to deon grant(our safety) playing a linebacker assignment, to 2 DE’s as linebackers. alot of 3 safety looks, since all 3 of them can play the run well.
And the please erase from my memory 4-1-6 look that big brother(Peyton) ripped up for 60 minutes on primetime.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Don't feel bad
The big brother Peyton rips almost all defenses on a regular basis.
I like the NASCAR alignment. I wish Jerry Angelo got rid of Tommie Harris rather than release A. Brown, then the Bears would be able to run something like that.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Let me take a stab
at your NASCAR lineup: Peppers, Brown, Anderson, and who? maybe you throw Lance Briggs in there on the other end, he’s adept at getting to that QB.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Yep
Idonije as well; he’s been playing DE this year, so he’d be a nice pairing to matchup with Briggs.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
You hate to say that a game this early in the season is a "must game" but ....
if they don’t show up prepared and look like they did last night or last year against the Bengals,it could send them on a downward spiral that would be tough to come back from. I’m always wary of winless teams, especially at home. If they lose, they have to at least make a decent showing.
As I said in another post, preparing his teams for important games has never been one of Lovie’s strong points. I hope Martz/Tice/Marinelli can pick up the slack in that area.
ummm...yeah...I didnt have them ready...ummmm...they practiced very well this week....it's only one loss....
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
At least we don't have to worry about Smith torching us.
I still have nightmares about the playoffs five years ago.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
#9:
So we wouldn’t ever have a situation where Tod Collins and/or Caleb Hanie ever see a playing field in a Broncos jersey.
"Option left - 62- rabble. It was a low heater. I can't remember ever throwing a ball as hard as I threw that one."
by c2c75 on Oct 4, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Tell you what
Hanie will be a better QB than Tebow. Why you ask? Because he actually played as a pocket passer in college, and has decent throwing mechanics.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
well played
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 4, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You should see how depressed everyone else in Arizona is.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
The Best Team in the NFC?
I’d have to say the Saints, they are struggling, but they could put it all together any game and explode for like 40 points. The most complete team currently, though, might be the Falcons.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
Concussion
Howdy guys, first time poster does anyone know the prognosis of Jay Cutler ?
48 minutes of intensity
Concussion, day-to-day
Welcome by the way
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Oct 4, 2010 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes welcome!
With how concussion cognizant the NFL has become, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him miss the next game…
In which case I think I’d like to see Hanie start.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 4, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
UPDATE >>>> Jay Cutler is expected to start week 5 via a major setback .....
…… so says Jason LaCanfora via Twitter
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 4, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean, "barring a major setback"...
Bad call from the Bears. Hanie can handle himself. The Panthers aren’t good. Give him a couple weeks of R&R. Concussions tend to come in bunches, and I don’t like starting a guy after being concussed the week before…
Oops !!! FAIL on my part .... And yes I did mean " BARRING " major setback . Now on to some nonstupid posting ....
…. as long as it was just a minor concussion I’m cool with him startin for a few reasons . One , he needs to get some confidence back and the Panthers are a great way to accomplish that . Their pass rush is horrid and their secondary is weak . Two , our O-line needs to show Jay they can rebound from nearly gettin him killed . Yet again its a confidence thing . As long as its a grade 1 concussion and he passes all his tests I’m cool with him playing . ( LINK to concussion grading scale ) Anything other than that let Hanie get some real time and his first career win .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 4, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to WCG Dsenchi !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 4, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Lovie says he "looks ok"
But then, Lovie also thinks he knows what a superbowl team looks like, so take that for what it’s worth.
And Welcome to WCG!
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by juperee on Oct 4, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Link to Dr Lovie's comments
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To be fair to Lovie...
…he does. We all do, two weeks after the divisional championships every year. The problem is that he thinks the one he’s head coach of looks like one…..
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48 minutes of intensity
There's a little "reply" link at the bottom of each post.
I suggest you use it.
Welcome to WCG!
That would be awesome!
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by chicago030 on Oct 4, 2010 8:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Clements
I was watching the play on Red Zone and i knew that the strip was going to happen just by the way he was carrying the ball, he could of won that game for SF. People say 1 play doesn’t lose a game..I disagree with that.
Precisely
I don’t buy that theory either. Most games come down to one or two plays, so basically, it means the play in question resulted in a loss for the Niners.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I was at the game...
and the offense was pedestrian…maybe
jay was 8/11 for what? not even 50 yds? imagine looking at that bunch of bull during commercial breaks…
I dunno, but i was waiting for da Bears to show up, and they never did… particularly the O-line
Kurt Warner weighed in with his thoughts
Kurt essentially makes three points:
- Don’t always wait for the deep plays. You’ll get sacked.
- Don’t just add more blockers on the O-Line. Won’t really help, and reduces receiver options, leading to more sacks.
- Hey, coach, let the QB make some decisions, even if it’s not the play you called for.
Now, Kurt is infinitely tactful, but he’s also very aware of Martz’s offense and Martz’s ego and stubbornness, so he put that third point very diplomatically and managed to make even it sound like advice to the QB rather than to Martz & Lovie. But it was to Martz & Lovie.
All in all, good advice from Mr Warner, methinks.
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Jay did a good job
in the first three games dumping the ball off underneath. He has to continue to do that cause teams are just daring him to throw down the field. No respect for the running game, nor their short passing game.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
#10 Best in the NFC...
That’s a real headscratcher. We have refrigerator magnets of helmets for all 32 teams, and we keep them on a magnetic whiteboard in a family-consensus power ranking (divided NFC/AFC). Needless to say, the ranking has changed dramatically over the past 3 weeks!
We haven’t accounted for this week’s games..
Right now, Saints are tops of the NFC, but I’m convinced that won’t last. Green Bay and Eagles are up there too, with Falcons right behind. It’s a toughie. (Buccs are last, btw)
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Kyle Orton making Josh McDaniels look stupid each week for that Tebow pick.
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 4, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
Kyle Orton is making Jerry Angelo look stupid certain weeks for the Cutler trade.
Not really, but inflammatory comments are my game!
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by chicago030 on Oct 4, 2010 8:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Pat Bowlen is making Jay Cutler look stupid each week for wanting to leave a great O-line for a garbage one.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Josh McDaniels doesn't need Orton to make him look stupid.
He seems to accomplish that all on his own every time he makes a personnel decision.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Hanie probably will start because Todd Collins has a stinger and may not be ready. I wish they had kept lefevour. Not much faith in Hanie. But we play with who we have. I hope I am wrong about Hanie.
LeFevour was not the answer
That kid is not ready to take an NFL snap. I do like his upside, and in a few years he may be acclimated to the pro game, but as a rookie, as a spread offense rookie, he’s best sitting and learning somewhere. It’s just too bad it’s in Cincinnati and not on the Bears practice squad.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 5, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta hand it to Curtler
Hi. I’m a lifelong Bears fan, but this is my first post here. I watched most of Sunday nights game and I was wondering if I was the only one who was impressed with Cutlers toughness. Don’t get me wrong there weren’t many positives on that offense (approximately zero) and Cutler’s decision making wasn’t ideal but he kept getting back up hit after hit.. Say what you want about him but there aren’t alot of QBs out there that could take that much abuse and make it through the half. And you really have to hand it to the defense they kept it to a one score game almost the whole time with no offensive help.
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welcome
and no worries on the bad spelling!
This morning on WSCR670am they were talking about that same thing. Cutler is one tough QB.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 5, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome Johnny-C
Yup! Definitely tough. And a competitor.
I think the game from last week will only make him better.
The O-line has to be embarrassed. I’m confident they’ll put in the work this week to bounce back.
Whether they actually do get better, remains to be seen.
there weren’t many positives on that offense (approximately zero)
There’s some good, truthful analysis there!
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