Mike Martz Approval Rating
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Still better than Turner
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by T.Moore on Oct 4, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
My thoughts as well, how is this not green?
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It has been engreenated.......
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
QBs
I hate to say it but the Bears need a guy like Jeff Garcia as a backup Hanie is OK but we need a REAL one
Again, too small a body of work.
But he sure did stubbornly coach last night.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I don't think he did...
he tried different things, none of them worked.
When the other team rushes 4, and no combination of your OL/TE/RB can block those 4, you’re done. You can’t run and you can’t pass. Even when they shifted to quick routes, Jay got skittish in making those throws because the safeties were jumping them.
In my mind, the blame for last night’s debacle lays at the feet of one man: Jerry Angelo.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 4, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
its only been 4 games
3 games he did good
1 was ….well it was what it was
what can you do when the other only rushes 4 and your 5,6,7 man protection cant stop it?
I've never been a fan of his.
I just think he gets too much credit for catching lightening in a bottle with Kurt Warner and winning that one Super Bowl as OC. The NFL is never going to be a place where a fairly one dimensional offense will work with any consistency, in my opinion, and that’s what Martz’ does with his heavy passing schemes.
Over all the years that I’ve been watching NFL football, there are always new innovations, but it always comes down to the basics for championships. Balanced attack, defense, and decent special teams.
Michael Vick was supposed to revolutionize things, Reggie Bush was the second coming, the Run and Shoot was going to change offense forever, and most recently the Wildcat was the “had to have” part of your game. None of them have turned out to have the impact they were supposed to.
If you give professional coaches and players enough time, they will counteract any “gimmick” you throw at them. I still think there was a reason Martz was the last choice for OC by the Bears and no other team wanted him.
he did also lead them back to another one
as a Head Coach
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I looked up their second Super Bowl appearance on Wikipedia.
It’s like I said earlier, give NFL coaches enough time and they’ll figure out how to beat a system.
The talent-laden Rams appeared to be primed to become the first pro football dynasty of the 21st century. However, despite being a 14-point favorite, the Rams lost to the Patriots. From the beginning the Rams were dominated by the Patriots. The Patriots chipped the Rams wideouts and running backs, disrupting their precision passing patterns. They also beat up Kurt Warner, forcing him into uncharacteristic mistakes, including an interception to Ty Law that resulted in a 47-yard return for a score.
Finally, in the fourth quarter, the Rams mounted a come back attempt. Two plays after an apparent game-clinching 95 yard fumble return by the Patriots on 4th down was reversed on a penalty, Kurt Warner scored on a 2-yard keeper to bring the Rams to within 7 points, 17-10. After holding the Patriots on the next drive, the Rams were in much the same situation as they had been two years previous against Tennessee. Warner came through once again, quickly leading the Rams on a dramatic drive culminating in a 26-yard touchdown pass to Ricky Proehl. The extra point by Jeff Wilkins tied the game at 17 with 90 seconds left.
With the Patriots holding no time outs and the Rams having seized the momentum, overtime seemed assured. Even John Madden on the Fox broadcast of the game, opined that the Patriots should play for overtime. However, on this day it was not meant to be for the Rams. This time it was Tom Brady leading the Patriots down the field against the Ram defense, completing all but one pass (an intentional spike to stop the clock) before Adam Vinatieri’s last-second 48 yard field goal defeated the Rams 20-17.
To be fair.....
even by the quote you posted (and wikipedia gets you negative points, lol) Warner and the Martz offense still managed to come back in the fourth qtr and tie the game, and the defense let the Rams down.
But more importantly, choosing one game to use as an example of a system being figured out (and the super bowl , at that?) seems a little, um….underwhelming as an argument. The 85 Bears were then, by that logic, figured out in ’85, and they were dominated by Dan Marino and the Dolphins. Realistically, what happened was the line aged, and Martz was less than ideal at speckling the hole sin the line as time went on. Injuries devastated his running game in Detroit his second year.
I’m not saying Martz was my first choice, but the offense=ive woes aren’t his fault. In fact, I would credit Martz with making the corrections that allowed us to win both the Dallas and GB games. Angelo’s neglect of the offensive line is our single biggest problem at this point.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not blaming Martz completely and my point about the Super Bowl was that it wasn't an abundance
of offense as Martz’ fans seem to think he always provides. Also, I still say that without Warner, Martz wouldn’t get near the credit he gets as a “genius”.
You’re right one game doesn’t necessarily mean anything but I think the NFL has clearly caught up with him and it seems that the rest of the league doesn’t really hold him in such high esteem.
Just a side note, did you notice that Lovie’s defense gave up the “bend not break” FG to give the Pats the win in that game? I’m not saying…I’m just saying…..
I have problems understanding how.....
He improves the points per game and overall offensive ranking of every team he joins, and yet you state that the league has caught up to him. Can you explain that, my friend?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Simply that the teams he went to were very bad before he got there so the bar to improve wasn't high to
begin with. If his involvement had such an impact, then why didn’t the 49ers or Lions become better teams under him and why was he fired by each organization? So, to your point, yes he did improve those terrible teams’ offensive stats but didn’t improve their overall status within the league or impact them as new “greatest show on turf” candidates. Many feel that his stats may be look good but his lack of ball control doesn’t improve win/loss and can adversely effect the defenses.
My comment about the league catching up to him was meant more that teams didn’t flock to hire him as an OC or HC the last few years because his “improvements” haven’t shown up in overall team improvement.
What?
seriously? The closest the Lions came to a winning season since 2000 was under Martz at 7-9, and if the Lions had any defense that year, those Lions might have made the playoffs. They also happened to sweep us both times that season. And the 9ers offense under Martz was mmore than capable of scoring points. It was the defense that wasn’t.
In case you missed it, though. Martz was fired from both Jobs for philosophical differences, not performance.
You are grasping at straws here, bro.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW....
My comment about the league catching up to him was meant more that teams didn’t flock to hire him as an OC or HC the last few years because his "improvements" haven’t shown up in overall team improvement.
Really? Umm. Offensive coordinators cannot control defenses. That’s just the way of the game. The Rams, Lions and 9ers all fell apart offensively after Martz left, and mostly with the same personnel. As far as I was to understand, Martz has been on the Market not for his performance but for his attitude and his differences with head coaches over philosophy. Because if he was fired for performance, then he definitely had the last laugh. Look at the Lions. Effectively the same team went from 7-9 and an offense that could score to 0-16 and an offense that couldn’t score. How’s SF liking their replacement…..wait, he’s already been fired. What about the Rams? Martz’s record with his offense there as OC and head coach: 66-35 and the team was 2-3 when Martz was fired in ‘05. Since Martz has left: the 4 different men at the helm have coached the team to a truly awesome 20 and 59 and the team hasn’t had a winning season since Martz left. The only season the Rams were under .500 under Martz was 2002, when the team went 7-9 while dealing with a raw Bulger replacing an injured Kurt Warner. The team rebounded to 12-4 in 2003.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And yes....
You are absolutely correct that Before Smith, The Rams could win a Super Bowl, after Smith, the lose in a bend but don’t break situation.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And finally, That 2001 Super Bowl wasn't a......
great example of a Martz offense not putting up numbers. Points, maybe. But I’d say that 467 yards of offense is an abundance of offense. It was turnovers, not an inability to move the ball or the system being figured out that cost them the game. It was 2 Kurt Warner INTs.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He also made Detroit and San Francisco much, MUCH better offensively.
He’s made every team he’s coached better, and significantly so. He knows his stuff.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 4, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He made them so much better that he was fired from both positions....
in both of those situations, his teams also led the league in sacks and near the top in turnovers.
Every coach get's fired.
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How did that work out for either team?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me help you out.
Detroit’s record since Martz was fired after 7-9? 2-34.
Singletary’s 9ers? 13-16, and his offense has averaged 19 points per game (compared to the 23 ppg scored with Martz at the helm.) Wonder how much those 4 extra points per game would have help ed Singletary’s record. I count 7 games since Martz left that were lost by 4 or less. hmmmm….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.....
Being fired in Detroit wasn’t Martz’s fault entirely. The Line was garbage and his RBs were injured. SF was more about Mike singletary than Mike Martz. Funny enough, he claimed to have fired Martz because of a lack of rushing (ohilosophical differences) but SF has rushed fewer times than Chicago has this season. Oh, and both offenses declined severely after Martz was fired.
Detroit went from 7-9 in ’07 and the 16th ranked offense (up from 28th pre-Martz) to 0-16 and the 27th ranked offense.
And SF averaged about 23 points a game with Martz in the 7 games he OC’d and 19 points a game in the 9 games after he left. 4 points a game is a huge difference. In fact, Martz’s scoring offense would have ranked 17th (up from 32nd in ‘07) while the remaining 9 games would have ranked 25th. So tell me how Singletary firing Martz was a good idea again? Sure, The team was 2-5 with Martz there, and 5-4 without Martz. But that was due to defensive change, not offensive. The defense went from allowing 28 points a game to 20.5 points a game after Singletary took over. That’s a huge difference. But what if Martz was still there gaming the team to 23 points instead of the 19 without him?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The one issue you haven't been able to address is the total lack of interest in his services by any teams in the NFL
since those dismissals. I’m not suggesting that you, or anyone, agree with me but if the stats you keep coming up with were so impressive, somebody would have snatched him up. The Bears even went through how many other candidates who turned them down before they seemed to settle for Martz.
I hope he succeeds here, because that means the Bears succeed, but my guess is that he will end up having similar results as he has in the past. Last night was a look into that window, in my opinion, and if Lovie/JA don’t stand up to him and remind him who runs the team, his ego and stubbornness will have us seeing similar games before the season ends.
See the comment below.......
You seem to think that the only way a coah has problems is by his performance. But Martz is known for having personality conflicts with superiors. This is, in my opinion, the reason he was without a job for so long (1 season).
According to this, he had conflicts with the FO in StL, In Detroit, if you remember, it was the players who complained about Martz’s offense being to heavily weighted towards the pass. They then complained about the conservative playcalling that followed the Martz era and landed them a 0-16.
And I think it’s been pretty well documented that Singletary wanted a run heavy philosophy when he took over, and he wasn’t going to get that with Martz. It was a simple matter of Martz not fitting Singletary’s vision. Looking at the results, I think the Samuri needs glasses.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And it wasn't a matter of not being able to address.....
why he was available. It was a matter of me being more focused on the other issues.
Another point you might not have thought of. If Martz is hired, and his offense performs, he’ll quite possibly land another head coaching job the next year, as a few writers have pointed out might be the case next year. How many teams have OC openings and a head coach desperate enough to gamble on having an OC run a successful offense for one year and then split?
Now, I have addressed it all. What hasn’t happened is you actually explaining how Martz has significantly improved every offense he has taken over, and yet has been figured out. And the argument that a 12, 15 and 23 (Martz’s offense moved the Rams from 24th to 1st in his first season) spot jump in the rankings not being enough is not a well thought out argument, my friend. Those are spectacular results. It is rare to see a team make that big of a jump, much less to consistently make that kind of jump offensively in each place he has moved.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't want to spend anymore time on this subject, you like Martz, I don't...
you like stats to show improvement in areas whereas I only care about whether his teams win and improve as a whole. He has one SB win as an OC, which in my opinion had to do more with Kurt Warner’s unique skills than Marz’ scheme but I can’t take that away from Martz, so I concede there. Since that time I think the opinion of him around the league has gone down hill and, as I’ve said before, the lack of interest in his services is as close to proving that as you can get.
In one of your posts in this thread you mention that he has no control over the defenses and on that point, I have to disagree a little. Ask Buddy Ryan about how pass happy offenses hurt defenses of the same team, or better yet, ask Kevin Gilbride. All phases of sound football teams compliment and affect each other and, in my opinion, Martz doesn’t think about that. He seems to look at his offenses in silos and the rest of the team can fend for itself. Hence the extraordinary totals in turnovers, sacks, etc. I’ve read too many of your posts and have enough respect of your knowledge of the game to think that you don’t agree that turnovers and field position don’t strain a defense and affect their performance.
As I said, though, I’m done with this subject and we’ll have to agree to disagree.
You forgot to mention that
the relationship between Martz and Marinelli… Martz has a terrible track record when it comes to working with others/taking orders. Look at how stubborn he was in his play calling yesterday..
I'm not sure how "stubborn the play calling was....
I think this might be jumping to conclusions a bit. If Cutler really was concussed as early as is being speculated, it explains a lot more. Re-watching the game, there are a lot of quick, underneath routes that were decent to good options that he just didn’t seem to see, unlike the three previous weeks. I’d say that this week was uncharacteristic as far as Martz/Cutler were concerned. I’d also say that expecting a bears team to run the ball behind a line that was having the worst collective night of their lives was asking for even worse results.
At the time, I was screaming at my TV for some rushing. But what was I yelling for? A rushing attack that has averaged under 3 yards per carry on better days, all on a night when the line was getting destroyed? I think I might have been asking them to kill Matt Forte. I can’t see how that would have been good for anything.
This isn’t a Martz issue. It’s an Angelo issue.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be touching on this with a fan post later this week, but...
The Indianapolis Colts would disagree with you, as would the Eagles, Broncos, Lions and Saints. All of these teams pass for a higher percentage than the Bears do, and all have scoring offenses in the top 14, with the Colts being first in the league. In fact, the Colts have consistently been in the bottom half of the league in rushing for the past 5 seasons, and still manage to have the leagues best overall record in that time period, and have been to two Super Bowls in that same time frame. BTW, of the 4 years that Martz has coached in that same time frame, the Colts have split with Martz in the rankings.
2006 Colts 18th, Lions 9th. Colts went 12-4 and won the super bowl.
2007 Colts 18th, Lions 31st (to be fair, the Lions were trying to run with the Injury trio of Kevin Jones, TJ Duckett and Tatem Bell) The Colts went 13-3 and saw the playoffs.
2008 Colts ranked 32nd, SF 27th. Colts went 12-4 and saw the playoffs.
2009 Colts ranked 31st and went to the super bowl with a 14-2 record.
2010, Colts currently rank 27th and are the leagues top scoring offense. Bears rank 30th and the the 21st best scoring team.
The Colts have been the most consistent team of the past decade, and they have been one of the worst rushing teams in the league over the past decade. I’d say they are the antithesis to your argument. I’d say that they are the perfect argument that a team can be consistent without running the ball well.
I plan on hitting on this more later this week. I have calculated every team in the league’s run/pass ratio, and I didn’t get the results I expected. I also calculated some of the best modern offenses, and again, was surprised by the findings. I was/am, firmly in your camp, BearFan, on the whole “balance” argument, and I still am for the most part. But my research has led me to be a little less rigid in this area than I have been known to be.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 5, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Hanie
If Cutler is a no go, then I think Hanie deserves a shot. He wont be worse than Collins and i think he has shown some ability in the times he has been on the field. Id rather have Dan Lef? as a back up than Collins. Not good to let him go…
Collins just looks like a statue back there waiting to get sacked
Hanie deserves a shot, he made the play of the night for the offense…sad i know but i think if cutler cant go(which i hope does not happen) hanie can man the fort and manage us by carolina and seatlle both teams are tough and can win the game. Although seattle looks weaker on the road
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 4, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler
did anyone notice that Cutler was a little stuborn last nite?the way the Giants were coming dictated a change in release time for passes and to be a little more creative with the run game.I wonder why we didn’t go to a jumbo package and concentrate more on making the run work and I agree with saver about Hanie
Jumbo package?
That would be a whole lot of suck on the field at once considering our collective failures as an OL.
cuz the suck that was already on the field wasnt enuf!
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Ten linemen and a running back might get us a yard or two. Might.
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Can we get an Angelo approval rating?
That’s where my rage is focused right now.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 4, 2010 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
... or an OL approval rating?
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 4, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
OC???
I don’t care how good you or your team is in any given sport there will always be a time or maybe times when you will stink up the place. It’s maybe one or some of those times when you couldn’t get the better of the lowest amatures. The real test is how you handle yourselves and how hard you work to get better. Cuttler got his concushion on the second or third play of the game. He couldn’t hold the ball let alone throw it. At that stage he didn’t know how many players were on the field. Try banging your brain around like that and try to even walk a straight line, then you have to put up with a bunch of shi##y comments. Go figure!!!
The best thing that our bears can do to help themselves is to ignore totally the comments of all of you pea brained Cuttler and Bear bashers. If you took all of your brains and rolled them togeather, threw them in a matchbox, they would sound like a BB in a boxcar
the offensvie line has been a big worry for me
and last night the entire league saw just how bad this line really is. The blame is on angelo for not drafing linemen. It’s not like this line just got bad, it’s been bad for a couple of years now .
I still believe this scheme best fit our personnel, the O-line is a different story.
You need two good pass blocking tackles to keep pass rushers at bay, and a strong agile interior line to provide a clean pocket for the QB to step into and make the throw. Martz doesn’t have that at the moment and that’s why this offense as a whole is struggling.
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 4, 2010 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
What he said↑
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 4, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really...
Just for starters, Cutler projects not to mesh well with the Martz offense.. he has really only had one good game in the Martz system…. I hope you are right though.
'projects'
That’s the problem. Kurt Warner projected to be the best Hy-Vee grocery bagger of all time.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 5, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Ummm......
Lions and Dallas were both good games for Jay. He couldn’t exactly control fumbles from Olsen and Forte. He was well over a 100 QB rating in both games with 108.3 in the Detroit game, and 136.7 in the Dallas game. and even the GB game was pretty decent, and he ended that one with an above average QBR of 82.5. So his only statistically bad game, which you are holding against him, for the purposes of “projecting” his ability to run Martz’s offense, was a game in which his own linemen conspired against him and which he likely played half of his snaps concussed? I think you are reaching.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Angelo
Jerry Angelo needs to understand that you can’t forget about the offensive line on draft day. Your QB will develop bad habits if he’s constantly running for his life. Somebody needs to talk to him. He just doesn’t get it.
I don't like it
His system will simply not work with the Bears. Our O line alone will not allow it. The Martz playbook is also very difficult and some of our players will simply not be able to learn it. Watch Cutler and Hester on the field. Cutler constantly has to stay in communication with Hester.
The Bears were 3 and 1 last year. Just like this year, they didn’t display much of themselves in the pre-season. However, week 4 and 5 are when teams are being figured out. There is enough tape on the Bears now to provide a good idea of what they will do. The Giants are not a very good team and they were all over us. We cannot stop any sort of pressure. Now teams just have to analyze how the Giants shutdown the Bears offense to get a very nice head start.
Quite frankly I hope the team is sold to new ownership quickly… Sadly I do not see that happening. Lovie and Angelo must be gone. Serious thought has to go into building a new stadium (owned only by the Bears) to increase revenue.
Is revenue the issue, though? If the owners don’t want to spend and/or the management spend poorly, all that more revenue will do while the salary cap is in place is generate more cash for the McCaskeys, as far as I can see.
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Meh.
Yeah, Martz was stubborn last night, but last night was NOT an example of the Bears being outcoached. There’s not a coordinator on the planet that can have success with an offensive line that can’t block a four man rush. Earlier in the season, Martz implemented quick plays to take advantage of the other team’s blitzing and over-aggressiveness. Last night the Giants weren’t over-aggressive, they dominated with a four man rush, and that won’t be helped by coaching.
Last night the Bears were out-Personneled, and it’s all on Jerry Angelo. He put together this line, and last night’s loss falls squarely on that shitty lines’ collective shoulder. There’s nothing Tice, Martz, Ditka, Coryell, Holmgren, Landry, etc could have done. You can coach up talented players, not shitty ones.
I agree
It is not Martz’s fault that the people blocking do not have the talent to outdo an elite Giants D-Line which is more the fault of the GM.
Martz is legit.
Not even he could save this team from our inept OL blocking. It doesn’t matter what play you call when 5-7 guys can’t stop a freaking 4 man rush all game!!! This game only proves that our line is understaffed, because every team that can get through without blitzing is going to tear us apart for the rest of this season. You just can’t throw to 3, 4, or even 5 targets in the backfield when you have 7 defenders roaming around like sharks. can’t throw it deep either since our line gives Cutler all of 1-1.5ish seconds to throw.
Chuck Norris using fear tactics couldn’t coach that group into blocking competently.
I disapprove
I like the idea of Martz way better than the man himself. An attacking aggressive offense? Awesome. But Martz was a last resort hire.
Hooking up at last call ends ugly. A short good time sure. But not something you really build a long-term relationship on.
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by Allie on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Fantastic analogy.
Great post.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Friend of my brother’s advocates the “(Go) Ugly Early” approach… but while that’s consistent with the analogy, it’s going off-topic :-D
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I wonder if he tried to throw to much ay them this wk.
so it has been said that his offense is very complex. I would like to see his game plan stay more basic until later in the season. Of course this is just a guess of mine…i had to work overtime and missed this one…Thank God!!
Walter Payton lives on!!!
I like him
But more quick throws would be nice.
Enough with the deep drops when Cutler is getting killed like he was against the Giants.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
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