Holding Jerry Angelo accountable for the O-Line
The buzz word surrounding the Bears lately is accountability. Tommie Harris isn't performing up to expectations and he's inactive. Zackary Bowman has a lapse and misses a tackle, hello Tim Jennings. Mark Anderson, hasta la vista.
Going even further back, offensive coordinator Ron Turner isn't getting it done, see ya. Assistant coaches Pep Hamilton and Harry Hiestand, thanks for the time, but here's your pink slip. Josh Beekman (remember him, the center of the future) isn't playing up to par in the preseason and he's cut. But Jerry Angelo? Who's holding him accountable?
Like any GM, in any sport, Angelo has his share of hits and misses. And I've agreed with some of his moves and decisions through the years. But some of his moves are borderline comical. If Vegas is setting a football betting line for Vanderbilt players drafted, or YouTube sensations selected, or players picked only to be converted to another position, or undersized "athletes", I think they'd get some serious action from some of us here on Windy City Gridiron. We know Angelo's M.O., and sometimes I think he outsmarts himself looking for that diamond in the rough.
To be fair, it's a tough job. But with any job, you either live up to expectations or you get fired. Is Angelo living off the 2006 Super Bowl team? He had success building his O-Line through free agency, but catching lightning in a bottle isn't an every time proposition. Does he get a pass because he pulled off arguably one of the biggest trades in the history of Chicago sports? Maybe...
He pulled the trigger on the Jay Cutler deal. OK, great, but what have you done for the Bears lately? He invests heavily in the premier position in football, then he fails to find some pieces to protect his investment. I liked the Chris Williams selection at the time. He went when he was supposed to be drafted, but the little know back issues should have been a red flag. I was OK with the Frank Omiyale pick up, because believe it or not, there were other teams looking into signing the at the time back up Panther left tackle. By now everyone should know my feelings on Olin Kreutz, but drafting an interior lineman that can eventually slide over to center, has been a no-brainer move the last few years, but... nothing.
Linemen have become available the last few years, but Angelo 'doesn't want to mortgage the future' and give up draft picks, but excuse me Mr. GM, the future is now. If Cutler gets broke, then what? The window for this defense being good isn't gonna stay open for ever. Three, four more years, maybe? And I'm being generous. Since he isn't drafting early on the o-line, and he isn't electing to make any trades for quality linemen, and besides Omiyale, he really isn't going after any free agents, what exactly is his plan?
Oh, right, Mike Tice is the answer. That's the line we've been given, and I bought it. I did, I'll admit it. I do think he's a quality coach, and I do think he's made a difference, but as the old saying goes, you can make chicken salad out of chicken s---. Besides the aforementioned players, who all have their own issues, he has small school project J'Marcus Webb, cast off Edwin Williams, converted college tight end Lance Louis, Kevin Shaffer is what he is, and Roberto Garza, as much as I like him, is on the down side of his career.
Pouring over other teams practice squads or calling some street free agents isn't the answer. Unfortunately the Bears have to roll with what they have. There are no reinforcements coming. They need Williams to turn it around once he's healthy, and Louis to live up to his potential. If those two young'uns can get it together the line should gel. Well, that's the plan anyway.
I know he isn't going anywhere, so looking to 2011, Jerry Angelo needs to draft 2 or 3 linemen early. Like 1st through 3rd round early. Then again if Angelo fails to get some line help, will it even matter. Angelo's answering to a non-football savvy boss, so exactly who's holding JA accountable?
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I would agree with this decision
fat chance on it ever happening though. we only take mediocre linemen!!
Price is probably astronomical
esp coming from the Pats. They’d have all the leverage and would ask for a unprotected first rounder or something.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I'm usually with you, Allie.
But if that’s all they want, do that deal in a heartbeat. Do you really think we can draft a better offensive lineman player with a first round pick?
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Sure
because we’re gonna crapcan the whole front office in the offseason. And I want the new guy to have a full arsenal.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Are they?
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Especially coming in a year of uncertainty that is the CBA.
And I still don’t know that the new person could pull better talent than Mankins. I’m not a big college football fan, but from what I’ve read, the talent pool is going to be depleted next year, due to so many players declaring this past season.
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And not only that, is as well developed.
I think that Tice, with enough time, can turn our garbage into gold, but that’s the key, is time. How long does it take for o-linemen to walk onto the field and be pro-bowl caliber? not often.
Then you have to think, the bears have a good coaching staff in place. The bears scrap the entire thing next season when the real key that’s holding the team back is… is JA? Last December, I would have been, yes please, flush everything. But now, I’m not as sold on that idea.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
I'm not sure
But I’m hopeful.
I’m had enough of the Lovie Show. Time to change the channel.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I say Jamarcus Russell...
is the answer. He kept standing in front of better QBs for his entire career!
Thanks…I’ll be here all week!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMY!...
by LostInSTL on Oct 5, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Ding ding!
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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Seriously Lester...
could not agree more! The window IS closing.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMY!...
How is it that JA gets credit for late round gems
but he never seems to be at fault for early round mediocre players?
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
Angelo gets a ton of criticism...
at least from the places that I read.
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True, you just have to read analysis of JA’s drafts from somewhere other than chicagobears.com
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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The bad news is that the OT crop in this year's draft isn't as talented or plentiful as it has been in previous years
But there are still some stud tackles available in the first round. My favorite right now is Joseph Barksdale from LSU. He’s big and VERY technically sound, and is surprisingly fast for a player of his size (6’5, 315). Castonzo from Boston College is another solid prospect, but I am permanently gun-shy about drafting guys from that school (for obvious reasons). DeMarcus Love from Arkansas is another OT who should go sometime during the first two rounds.
The center position, however, is LOADED this year: Wisniewski from Penn State, Hudson from Free Shoes University, O’Dowd from USC are all great prospects. And while Pouncey twin No.2 from Florida is currently playing center, I expect him to probably migrate back to the guard position sometime before April (he’s a much better fit at G, IMO).
I like Chris Williams a lot, but he doesn’t strike me as a franchise LT. Do you guys like him as a right tackle?
Hes average as a right
he played there for most of last season
i think center is something we can get in the 2nd day olin still has 1 or 2 seasons in him
G and T and G need to be the first 3 picks if he drafts another DE i will beat the hell out of him with a sock full of padlocks
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Hudson as a Day 2 steal
He’s technically flawless and is insanely intelligent, and he actually might be able to gain a little more weight if necessary. He’s only 6’2, but you don’t need a ton of height to dominate at that position. Anywhere between 6’2 and 6’4 will get it done (Alex Mack is 6’3; Nick Mangold is 6’4).
I think we might be safe from DE this season, but never say never :-(
The only stud 4-3 DEs in 2011 will be Adrian Clayborn from Iowa and maybe Da’Quan Bowers from Clemson. I expect a team like Tampa to take Clayborn.
Boo.
Marc Columbo was just bad luck.
BC linemen are generally pretty fantastic. Castonzo is really no exception to the rule (he is a biochem major too, just like i was at bc… i have a little crush on him sorry.) In my mind, he’s probably the most polished of this class. Nate Soldier (Colorado) would be interesting… But I tend to have my eye on Gabe Carimi (Wisconsin) or Castonzo for the Bears as being absolutely crucial to acquire. Carimi I think has greater raw potential, isn’t as stellar in the pass game as his predacesor (Joe thomas), but, is athletic, strong as hell, but probably projects better on the right side than left. Castonzo is Big, Long, Athletic. Fluid… Definitely the better prospect, but needs to get some more mass to compete with juice matthews.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
add to the list of miscues
I presume that Angelo was at least partially responsible for shipping Alex Brown out of here, which I disagreed with and still do.
It seems everyone knew about Chris Williams back issues before the draft, but Angelo drafted him anyway. Also I recall reading scouting reports questioning his temperament for the position as well as his arms being too short.
I agree, you invest in a QB heavily and you MUST protect that investment. Clearly, that has been a failure so far.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
The reason i wanted brown to stay
was because Anderson could not step it up and brown would have been able to step his game up now that he had peppers
Izzy has looked good because welll its IZZZY
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Brown as well, the boys bet on the wrong horse and that horse is Tommie Harris
Harris should have been sent packing, Alex Brown would be having an amazing year playing with Pep. Now we will probably release TH this offseason and be without both of them. Well done guys.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Oct 5, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard a discussion this morning with Mully and Handley on the SCORE on this subject from a slightly different perspective...
We all complain, and rightfully so, about JA/Lovie’s draftpicks on offense, but look at the defensive side of the ball as well. Who are the impact Defensive players that have been selected by this dynamic duo. Make no mistake regarding Lovie’s input in the draft, either. Here are two supposedly defensive minded people and there are no impact players on that side of the ball whom they drafted.
The only one you could possibly mention is Tommie Harris but that lasted only 3 seasons and the last 3 have been a near disaster.
The Bears should hand Tommie Harris a DVD/tape of Sundays game
then send him home and tell him to watch and see what an successful interior D- lineman looks like. The Giants interior was continuously getting deep into the backfield, without the help of much blitzing, although they did blitz from time to time. Both our lines are suspect, with the exception of Pep. Some heads need to roll for this as Cutler will not last the season if this keeps up. As I like to say, stack the beef, you can never have to much quality O-line.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Oct 5, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
This is why JA's quotes are my signiture
Because I feel like we the fans need to hold him accountable. He felt “the pieces are in place” Well BS, Jerry. You going to come out and throw Martz’s system under the team bus because of its protection schemes?
Furthermore, I feel like Angelo tries deliberately to find gems rather than draft with common sense. In the Bears’ storied past they had GMs who would look to the future; Bill George was still playing when the team draft Butkus, they drafted Anderson when Payton was still here. Other teams do these things too like the Colts taking Wayne when they had Harrison. Smart GMs build for the future and frankly, not only is the o-line not cutting it but with Urlacher not getting any younger and late round hopeful Mark Anderson not working out, spend a higher pick on MLB or DE, then we’ll have depth for the future and be able to have a player to help out Peppers.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Oct 5, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
well said indeed
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
i won't be surprised
if we draft our future MLB in the first round this year.
if we do, we should draft Bruce Carter out of UNC. He’s the real deal. I go to North Carolina and see him play every weekend. Guy is sick.
An Angelo apologist I am not,
But who could have imagined how the line would play in in 07? Fast forword to Tait’s sudden retirement, St. Clair leaving to cleveland, and Pace’s unwillingness to play RT, Jerry’s decisions were reduced.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Oct 5, 2010 1:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sure, but what has happened since then?
Nothing. 2007 was 3 drafts ago. The problem wasn’t the line falling apart, the problem was not having young guys ready to step up… and the bigger problem was ignoring the problem once it existed.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Oct 5, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Angelo has gone dumpster diving for Oline always
and now Cutler is paying the price. we need to get proven linemen NOW, regardless if it costs us 1st round or not
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
Great Post Wilt
Jerry Angelo was the main guy that came to my mind when the O-line was allowing those vicious sacks. Maybe this will slap some sense into Angelo where he will now put the same premium he put into building defensive lines into offensive lines.
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 5, 2010 8:33 PM CDT reply actions
Jerry Angelo is the cancer in the Bears' bowels ...
“Oh but he finds gems in the lower rounds ……”
Translation: He whiffs on the most important, most critical, most expensive picks.
“Oh but he got us Jay Cutler …”
Reality: No he didn’t. Having Kyle Orton as a bargaining chip got us Jay Cutler.
Somebody with a lot of time on their hands should do a small website dedicated to listing all of Angelo’s diabolical decisions.
Teams that win superbowls don’t necessarily have the best starters, but they have the best rosters. One guy goes down, another one steps in with little or no difference. We have never even had the right lineup of starters. We got to the super bowl with a bad quarterback, but as soon as Tommie and Mike Brown went down there was no one to step in and we got hammered. If it ain’t all good, it’s all on you Jerry ….

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