The Bears Den: October 6, 2010
by Dane Noble on Oct 6, 2010 7:15 AM CDT
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...where it looks like the Vikings are going all-in.
The OL promises to do better, Kreutz says: "Football is not hard to figure out."
Brad Biggs caught up with Alex Brown to discuss release of Anderson.
It doesn't look like Anderson will be out of work even 24 hours though.
David Haugh has a good read on whether Cutler should play in Charlotte.
Adam Schefter reporting that the Vikes are sending a 3rd to NE for Moss.
John 'Moon' Mullin wonders if the Bears are still holding tryouts.
Moon also looks at the schedule and where the Bears need to be.
Rick Telander takes on the diabetes topic regarding Cutler's performance.
Neil Hayes outspoken about the management and development of the team.
Mike Mulligan wonders if Cutler would play if Peppers was still a Panther.
ESPN's Week 5 Power Rankings.
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A 3rd for moss is a good deal for minny
We sent a 2nd for gaines adams, just one of the many dumbass moves of jerry
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Oct 6, 2010 7:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
We have no way of knowing whether Adams
would have played up to the #2 we gave up for him. The first year he didn’t do much, but he also didn’t come to Chicago until after week 4 or 5 either. Using the 10 games he was active as a Bear is not necessarily a reason to say it was a bad move.
Fair enough
But it was still a risky move by Angelo. We already didn’t have a 1st rounder, and even at that point, the O-line was bad – and here Angelo is trading away our second round draft pick. Who knows. maybe Adams looked like he was ready to resurrect his career. The Bucs’ coach had called Adams out that pre-season and said that if he didn’t turn it around last year, he would be considered a “bust.”
Then, after Adams’ passing, JA releases Alex Brown, and promotes Anderson – who hasn’t done anything since 2006. Kind of puzzling…
Don't thnk the Bears...
… ever had the money for Peppers and Brown to be the ends. They used the money they saved on Brown to pay for Peppers.
As for Gaines, a heart problem makes it really hard to judge the evaluators of Gaines talent. Now what is puzzling to me is how teams can spend all that money on players and then skimp on a $1,000 test that would have saved Gaines’ life…
Don't kid yourself
We’re one of the richest franchises (and biggest underachievers) in sports. And we probably saved enough money by cutting Vasher and a few others.
Besides, (over-paid or not) Brown wasn’t being paid anywhere near what they’re paying Peppers. Right now, keeping Brown is looking more and more like a relative bargain. At this point, who would you have rather seen opposite Peppers?
We also have what...
the 5th highest payroll in the leauge?
It’s no that we’re cheap or won’t spend money, it’s that we spend it on the wrong people.
You don't test for something that's not evident.
It’s impossible to determine when someone has this kind of heart problem. It will happen again. Just really bad luck.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
testing for something that's not evident
Actually that is NOT true. The Bears do a Heart test for all players whether they show symptoms or not. They just do the cheaper (EKG) test.
Everything I have been told is that the more expensive Cardiac MRI test would have shown the condition…
That's my point
I realize the MRI would show it, but it’s not cost effective for every organization to do it as a screening test for each player. It’s like doing a biopsy just cause you’re paranoid about getting cancer.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
"it’s not cost effective for every organization to do it as a screening test for each player"
Let me get this straight, Gaines Adams originally signed for 6 years at 46 Million dollars but a one thousand dollar test to protect that investment is NOT cost effective?
The Bears committed at least 3+ million. You want to say a one thousand dollar test to protect that investment is NOT cost effective.
Sorry, I don’t agree. There is a lot of inflation going on so it is no longer “penny wise and pound foolish”. It is now “thousands wise and millions foolish…”
The cost isn't really the concern
Sure, every team can afford it, but why? What are the percentages of players that have it? Maybe once every couple of years.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
why?
Lets see. The average salary in the NFL is 750K. So you are talking about a tenth of one percent insurance on a 750K investment. A percentage of one player every ten years still makes this a very good investment.
The Bears are notoriously low in the area of Medical testing. They have continually drafted players that were “red flagged off of other teams boards.”
So lets see, with better medical testing by the Bears, the team has a different 1st round pick instead of Chris Williams and different second round picks instead of Mark Bradley, Dan Bazuin and Gaines Adams.
How much is a first round pick and three second round picks worth?
You make a good point
IMO- I don’t think you screen players for something that a super low percentage of people would have.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
You should write Goodell's office
See if he may be on board. :)
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Trivia: last year’s 5th round LB pick Marcus Freeman, too.
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what we know is that Adams won't be playing for us ever
Bad fortune for Adams means bad fortune for the Bears, so by default it was a bad move in the bottom line.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
By that thought process though,
if a rookie gets injured in the first year, that means it was a bad decision to draft him in the first place?
exactly right JimmyMack
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Nice article by Haugh
I actually like what he’s suggesting about the run and adding a fullback. Imo keep Cutler sidelined, even if he clears doctors tests.
The odds...
weigh in your favor. Still…he’s gotta start. My new guess is that Grant gets hurt (or suspended for steroids) and Izzy and Wootten are “co-starters”!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMIE!...
haha that would
Still make him a “starter” ;)
Dude our bet is great and all, and i would love to see him start, but in all seriousness i just want this kid to see the field. He’s such a beast
A dozen for Devin baby
From Hayes
Anderson was considered a co-starter with Israel Idonije. With him gone and with Tim Jennings replacing Zack Bowman against the Giants, Danieal Manning and Chris Harris were the only remaining defensive starters against the Giants who were drafted during the Angelo-Lovie Smith era.
That’s sick. But I thought Briggs was one of theirs? I suppose I have a whole interwebs I could look it up on but…zzz.
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Is my mind a'goin on me or am I watchin you jibber jabber like some sorta jibberty box. Jibber Jabber on! Jibber Jabber on! -- Early Cuyler
All 4 defensive ends from last year are now gone:
Alex Brown, Ogunleye, Anderson, Gaines Adams (RIP). Izzy played DT last year. Melton doesn’t count as he was on IR. You could say 5 DEs are all gone if you include Jarron Gilbert.
Agree on the 7th rounder idea,
we do need some offensive line help.
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by David Taylor on Oct 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
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Pfff, we need OL talent that’s rated higher than the…
Oh, I see what you did there.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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Why did they release Anderson when he led in QB pressures?
To say they want to improve their pass-rush sure sounds like a lie. I wonder if he did something to piss off Marinelli and Smith.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I've been wondering the same thing
If I recall, I think it was you and I leading the C.Graham conspiracy theory. lol
no.
Quinn had no business ever taking an NFL snap
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 6, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like we could've gotten something for Anderson
He signed with the Texans almost immediately. Oh well, whatever. Hopefully Grant can be productive. And maybe Wooten can deliver… That’d be sweet!
I really liked the Haugh article. Cutler for 11 weeks >>>>>> Cutler vs Panthers
The Vikings are better…
everybody
is an expert these days. Now that the NFL cares about concussions so do the media apparently. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s the smart thing to err on the side of caution too, but I find it funny, how every member of the media is so sympathetic all the sudden. When just 2 or 3 years ago, they weren’t mentioning anything. Do they only care because it makes them look responsible?
Here here!!!
I hope you’re right buddy. And the Bears need you to be right.
Bear Down!
I have to say...
the most amusing aspect of the last few days has been that JAs answer to an epic O-line fail was to get a new DE! That’s priceless! How many times have we all joked about it and it becomes more the reality every day!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TRADE TOMMIE!...
and Larry Mayer's position
is that Chris Williams’ injury was pretty much the sole reason for Sunday Night’s debacle.
Must be some hamstring injury!
I’m still trying to figure out how an offensive tackle pulls that muscle. Very, very uncommon.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
right propheteer
It’s not like he just got up off the couch and started playing…
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
lol
Angelo’s development of our O-line can be summed up in one word – neglectful. I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t tried to trade one of our high 2011 draft picks for a D-lineman.
How many of our starting O-lineman are really starting caliber – other than maybe Kreutz and Garza on a “good” day? What we really have is 5 backups starting for us. And when they go up against a solid D-line, they are totally exposed.
Angelo’s development of our O-line can be summed up in one word – neglectful. I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t tried to trade one of our high 2011 draft picks for a D-lineman.
Hey, give him time..we have a little while until the trade deadline…. /sarcasm (or was it?)
by David in Maine on Oct 6, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
Just heard something funny on “The Herd”. It went something like this:
Bud Selig wakes up this morning, saying to himself “First day of playoffs, oh goody, great day for baseball”.
Selig opens the paper, “Moss to rejoin Vikings, with Favre”. Oh Dammit!!!
Baseball sucks
No one really cares except the geeky sabermetic diehards.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Sabermetic ???
You sir are quite the wordsmith.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Sabermetric, and no, just, no.
I love baseball, and I can’t tell you how the hell to calculate UZR/150 or VORP, and I don’t care to learn.
by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, just "Herd" on the radio
The Rays and whoever they’re playing got a 1.9 rating. lol
Nice work MLB.
People won't even go to the game, and they expect anyone to watch it on tv?
Maybe if they put the Rays in something besides a dome… but since most people who live in Florida are from the Midwest they don’t really care about the Rays. But once the Cubs are out of the playoffs, which usually doesn’t take long, I don’t care what happens in baseball cause it’s football season.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
On the Haugh article
I think it would be well worth evaluating our ability to defeat the hapless Panthers w/o Jay.
He clearly gives us the best chance to win this game, but I wonder if the squad can get it done without him. I think we can get it done – I figure the OL owes Jay a week off anyhow, they all took off last week.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
Let Cutler dress but dont play him....let's see what Hanie can do...if need be, let Cutler in.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Is there any value at all in exploring switching Tommie to the OL?
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions
Worked with Big Cat...
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
But Big Cat was like 6'7" and like 300 lbs sorta like Peppers....
Wait a minute! There it is! Peppers can just play both ways!!!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
And completely worthless by halftime.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
How about this? - Jerry??
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a hammer.
If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?
Writer at windycitygridiron.com {-/-} http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
A hammer works really, really well, once.
Then, whatever you’re trying to fix, is fixed permanently. I have much experience in this area.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
no.
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 6, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
probably not
it’s equally unhelpful to fall down repeatedly on your face when you’re trying to block rather than get around blocks
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 6, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking he can't shed any blockers at all, so maybe.......
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do the Texabs pick up all the D linemen we cut?
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Oct 6, 2010 5:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cause they have a problem evaluating talent just like the Bears.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
And we cut tank...
But we will sign this..?..
Grant made a deal with prosecutors in May in which he pleaded no contest to public fighting after he had been charged with involuntary manslaughter following an altercation outside a Georgia nightclub that led to a pregnant woman being shot and killed. Grant is also one of the active players in the league involved in the StarCaps case. He potentially faces a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s steroids policy when the case is completed.
Tank Johnson and Ced Ben have nothing on this guy!
Plus, he couldn’t even start for a UFL team. Pathetic.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Jeebus....
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
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