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Wow.  It's been a wild week on the threads, hasn't it.  Honestly, I expected this.  The Eagles and the Bears are both riding high on good records and solid winning streaks.  Combine that with possibly the two most passionate (being polite here) fanbases in all of sports and you have the potential for fireworks.

 

So far, we've seen arguments over who's DE is better, who's defense is better, Michael Vick, Asante Samuel, Brian Urlacher, passing defenses, DVOA, strength of opposition, LeSean McCoy, Vick v. Urlacher, Lovie's 3-0 record over Vick, how different Vick is, quality of receivers, quality of interior defensive lines and which is better: The Polish Sausage Sandwich or the Philly Cheese Steak (OK, I made that last one up).  And this is just a sampling of the ongoing arguments, nor have they ended.  And both teams, the Bears especially, have a lot riding on this game.

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The Bears are even with the Packers in their division, clinging to a early season win over the Cheeseheads as the tiebreaker.  A loss could force Chicago to chase the Pack until the season finale showdown at Lambeau Field.  The "experts" doubt the Bears based on their soft schedule to this point and seem ignorant to the fact that the team has the top scoring defense in the league or that the offense, in it's first season of a complex new system, has made serious progress and is improving weekly.  The Bears feel they have something to prove, and a loss here could have serious and possibly downward-spiraling consequences.

 

The Eagles have something to prove here, as well.  They, too, have been the target of soft schedule doubts.  And they to cling to a 1 game lead over a division rival they have previously beaten in the New York Giants.  A loss here wouldn't have the same standing impact that it would for the Bears, but it wouldn't help.  The biggest thing they are trying to prove is that Coach Andy Reid made the right call in showing perennial Pro-Bowl QB Donovan McNabb his walking papers.  Enter Michael Vick.  Vick is having a Comeback Player of The Year and possibly League MVP type of year.  We all know the controversy that surrounds Vick, and I do not want to open this piece up for Vick attacks.  Sorry, but for the sake of the thread let's just stick with the idea that Vick served his time and his debt and he's getting the second chance everyone deserves under our legal system.  All that aside, Vick has had a tremedous season, probably most emphasized by his throwing of exactly *zero* interceptions.  If that's not impressive enough, he contributed 6 TDs in a game against the Redskins, 4 by air and 2 by land, becoming the first QB to ever throw for over 400 yards and 4 TDS and rush for 50 yards and 2 TDs.  Pretty impressive considering the leagues 90 year history and some of the greats that played before him.

So was it a fluke game or simply a matter of time?  I'm personally in the camp of "matter of time".  Vick seems to be following in the Warren Moon/Randall Cunningham footsteps of great rushing QBs who developed into great passing QBs.  The difference between Vick and Cunningham or Moon?  Vicks legs didn't have to give out on him to force him to develop his passing game.  This could end in Vick being the best QB of this type in history, given the right circumstances and opportunities, which I think he may end up having in Philly.  Ironically, it could be playing behind McNabb for a season that helped Vick to mature as a passer.  McNabb was very, very good at determining when to run with the ball and when to hunker down and throw and Vick seems to have picked up that important trait that was missing in his earlier years.

So what will happen on Sunday?  I honestly don't think it will depend much on The Eagles defense or the Bears offense.  Of course, what happens with the Bears offensive unit will matter.  If Cutler tosses 4 picks to Asante Samuels the way he did with DeAngelo Hall, the game will be decided there.  But I don't think Martz or Cutler will put the team in that position again.  No, I think we get a ho-hum match-up between the Bears offense and the Eagles defense.   The gameplan should be fairly conservative because the Eagles D is dangerous.  Martz will, in my opinion, work inside matchups and will likely try and keep most of the air play away from Samuel, who is a ball-hawk to the extreme but is also a much better cover corner than he is given credit for.  I do expect to see Martz work to overload zones especially underneath, but that will depend largely on how well the offensive line performs.

I see ST being a big factor in this game.  Both teams have very good ST return units and great returners.  Both also have fantastic kickers and punters.  But while the Bears have an excellent ST coverage unit that includes league leading ST tackler Corey Graham, previous league beaters Brian Iwuh and Garrett Wolfe and smart players like Patrick Mannelly, Izzy Idonije and Rashied Davis, Philly's coverage unit is not so good.  In fact, they are one of the worst in the league, and might play a key part in this game both in points scored directly by the ST units and in the field position battle that will lead to points scored.  If the Bears can keep the field long for the Eagles, that bodes well for the Bears.

But the biggest variable is the Bears league leading scoring defense against the dynamic and unpredictable offense of the Eagles.  Chicago leads the league in forcing turnovers and in points allowed.  But Michael Vick has, as previously mentioned, thrown no interceptions.  The big factor is that the Bears are second in the league in forcing fumbles (23) and the Eagles are the 5th worst team in the league in fumbling the ball (20 times).   This seems to play into the Bears strength.  But The Eagles have been lucky in only losing 7 of those 20 fumbles, and we all know that luck is deceptive.  I am a firm believer that , other than injury and weather, you make your own luck.

The Eagles Offense is overloaded with talent.  From Vick to Jackson to McCoy to Maclin to Celek (who is underachieving) this team is stacked at the skill positions, and their line has done a pretty damned good job, as evidenced by LeSean McCoy's 5.0 yards per carry.  Led by Vick, they are on a three game tear that is very impressive.  It is almost comical that earlier in the season there was a QB controversy between Vick and Kolb.

The Bears defense is much the same.  Loaded with talent, starting with Pro-Bowl regulars Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs and Julius Peppers, all of whom an argument can be made for the being the best in the league at their respective positions.  And if Michael Vick cannot keep up the current pace, Urlacher will be in the discussions for the Comeback Player of the Year award.  Then you have stalwarts like Pisa Tinoisamoa, Charles Tillman, Israel Idonije, Chris Harris, Tommie Harris and Anthony Adams.  While Tommie Harris is over-paid, he has been playing pretty damned good football the past three weeks and has been playing much better than advertised, while Tinoisamoa might be getting ntoice around the league for his incredible play were it not for the fact that he has to sit in the shadow cast by Urlacher and Briggs.  Izzy Idonije has really stepped up in both the pass rush and in run coverage. Chris Harris has brought the end to the hopes of two straight teams with late game INTs and Adams and Tillman have both been playing solid ball.  Then you have up and comers Danieal Manning, Major Wright, Tim Jennings, Zach Bowman, Henry Melton, Matt Toeaina and DJ Moore.  Manning has had his development stunted by the team for years, and now that he has been steady in one position, he is shining.  DJ Moore is earning Nate Vasher's old "interceptor" title, Henry Melton has been making a case for himself with a breakout season and Jennings has turned himself into a legitimate starter, and though he still needs to develop more, he his progressing nicely.

Honestly, I see this game ending one of two ways.  Either with a blowout win for the Eagles or a much closer win by the Bears.  If the Eagles get ahead early and Martz abandons the run, I see the Eagles winning big.  But if the Bears play their game at their pace, I see the Bears winning by 6-10 on the strength of the defense and the special teams. 

Of course, picking games is a bit more like guessing games.  The worst team in the league can (and sometimes does) beat the best team in the league because coaches or players over or underperform.  What if Martz sees something in tape this week that shows him he can exploit a certain aspect of the Eagles D?  Or if the Eagles find something similar that nobody else has seen against the Bears D?

In this league, you just never know, but I'm going to make my call anyways......

Chicago Bears 23 - Philadelphia Eagles 17.  Vick has to throw an INT eventually, and if I had to pick where, I would have to say against the most opportunistic defense in the league.

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Dammit Train, stop being levelheaded!

Flaming homer overreaction is totally where it’s at!

That being said, I agree with what you’ve said here, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 25, 2010 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks a bunch, SJS.....

If only there were one……..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

BEARS 20 Eagles 17

nice extended write-up. here’s to hoping the bears don’t get embarrassed on their home turf.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 25, 2010 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Bears 24 Eagles 21

yes I see a high scoring game with da Bears coming out on top.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Nov 25, 2010 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

That's the difference

You see 24-21 as a high-scoring game, which it isn’t for the Eagles. In the 5 games Vick has started and completed the game, the Eagles offense is averaging 35.0 points a game (29.0 not including the Washington blowout). As a whole, the Eagles are scoring the 2nd most points a game at 28.6 (1st is New England with 28.7, not including today’s game). I really don’t see how the Bears win this unless it’s a low-scoring slugfest. In our 3 losses, we’ve scored 20 (opening game where Vick replaced Kolb at half), 12 (Washington game where Vick was injured in the 1st quarter), and 19 (vs. Ten with Kolb). In our victories, we haven’t less than 26 (vs. the Colts).

by phi7 on Nov 26, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

This is why we play the game.

One of the best scoring offenses in the league v the best scoring defense in the league. you assume that the Eagles will score on the leagues leading scoring defense, you inore the Special teams advantage the Bears obviously have, and you have been mislead by a lazy and ignorant media into believing that the Bears offense is the same team that played the Giants.

This will be a great game, I think, and it could go either way. Good luck on Sunday night.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

24-21 would be a high scoring game at Soldier Field

It is a slow slippery surface your guys haven’t seen it’s like since the last time you were here. Home field advantage, our guys will be playing faster than your guys on that surface.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Nov 26, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You can say that again!

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 26, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

24-21 would be a high scoring game at Soldier Field

It is a slow slippery surface your guys haven’t seen it’s like since the last time you were here. Home field advantage, our guys will be playing faster than your guys on that surface.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Nov 26, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It can’t be that much worse than the Linc, that field is an embarrassment. It looks like no man’s land from WW I.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You, sir, have some idea then...

After the first game of the year, the field looked like it just held the IHSA state tournament and a season’s worth of U of Illinois football.

The field’s maintained by Chicago Park District, “maintained” being taken in its loosest definition. It can be resodded completely and the very first game it’ll just come up in clumps.

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 26, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, but it can.

Soldier Field is easily the absolute worst maintained professional sports surface in a North America. After week one, the field looks like they have monster truck rallies during the week. It is so wrong it is nearly criminal, though it does offer the home team a bit of an advantage.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, we had the Vet. You may have an argument for the worst maintained because that stadium WASN’T maintained. The Linc is in the same boat. Temple plays there, and sometimes HS do for the playoffs. Heinz Field is in the same boat. I really just wish NFL stadiums were for NFL use.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Or at least....

The teams were required to maintain them if they were going to be for NFL use. The Bears Org should have to maintain the field as part of the agreement. Sorry, but I actually think Soldier Field is an injury hazard and the league should be forced to deal with the maintenance problem. Where is OSHA when you need them?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like George Burns to Wiltfong's Gracie

guess I’m no Mr. Ed.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Nov 26, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

haha!

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 26, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for absolute hilarity!!!!!

Well played, sir. Well played.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Not much to disagree with here...

I agree completely with your assessment of either a lopsided Eagle win or a tight Bear win.
Some of my concerns, in no particular order:
- those quick Eagle receivers finding the soft spot in the Cover 2 & Vick’s newfound accuracy keeping drives going
- Bears running game (running backs, not Jay scrambling) averaging under 3 ypc and too many 3rd and longs
- if Eagles have some passing success, Martz’ ego starts him throwing it all over the field
- Pisa T’s knee not holding up, we’ll need his speed
- If the more disciplined Cutler we’ve seen the last two weeks, reverts back to 49’ers/Redskins Jay

Some things I feel good about:
- Under Marinelli, the D-line seems much more disciplined which we’ll need against Vick to keep him from big plays
- I think Major Wright will have a breakout game against the faster Eagle receivers, with his coverage skills
- Our Special Teams against theirs
- Over the last 10 years or so Philly has always intimidated us under the Jim Johnson scheme and mentality. I don’t see this Bear team allowing people to push them around like a schoolyard bully.
- Soldier Field turf will slow them down, we’re more used to it.

by BearFan611 on Nov 25, 2010 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

I'm completely confused

as to how the Eagles believe that they have a better Dline than Da Bears.
Imho. And i am a Bears fan so take it for what it’s worth.
The Bears have the most talented Dline in the league, and once they can brin it all together they are going to be straight nasty.

Also, I do not believe that Vick is any good at all. He is a great athlete, but i do not believe is a good quarterback. He simply is taking advantage of the talent that had been placed around him. Desean Jackson is probably the 3rd best reciever in the league right now, and Maclin is really comming around. Not to mention Celek, who is one of the better pass catching TE’s in the game. Add in McCoy and the Eagles have the youngest most talented offense in the league. So in my opinion, for what it’s worth, Vick is not that great, and is the same Vick we saw in Atlanta, but in Atlanta he simply did not have the talent around him that he does now.

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Nov 25, 2010 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

Also, I do not believe that Vick is any good at all. He is a great athlete, but i do not believe is a good quarterback. He simply is taking advantage of the talent that had been placed around him. Desean Jackson is probably the 3rd best reciever in the league right now, and Maclin is really comming around. Not to mention Celek, who is one of the better pass catching TE’s in the game. Add in McCoy and the Eagles have the youngest most talented offense in the league. So in my opinion, for what it’s worth, Vick is not that great, and is the same Vick we saw in Atlanta, but in Atlanta he simply did not have the talent around him that he does now.

What? He is 10x the passer he ever was there, and hasn’t lost a game when he has played the whole time this year. He’s been one of the top 2-3 QBs in the NFL so far this year. The Eagles DL is a heck of a lot closer to the Bears DL than Cutler is to matching Vick.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 25, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Bears dl vs. Eagles dl

Lawl. You’re a joke bruh.

Peppers alone is better than all of your lineman combined.
Izzy is having a breakout season and is playing like a top 5 DE.
Toeina is beasting opponents .

The stats don’t tell the full story dawg.
Watch a bears game or two. Watch the Bears-Dolphins game.
Bears dline > Eagles dline

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Nov 25, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Good god you’re lost.

The Bears Dolphins game haha, against Tyler Thigpen. I’m shaking in my boots. Trent Cole is a better end than Peppers….. so I doubt he’s better than all our DL combined. Izzy is not a top 5 DE, please stop being a complete homer. He has one more sack than Juqua Parker. Antonio Dixion is “beasting opponents” too. It is a push, plain an simple.

Now Vick and Cutler…. That couldn’t be called a push even in your world.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 25, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Can I ask a serious question?

Cole is a better end? Can you expand on:
A) What you mean by “better.”
B) What stats are you using to determine that and over what time frame?

Cause I’ve already been over this with your buddy (Or you, possibly, cause your tone is actually very similar). And over Cole’s career compared to Pep’s first six, including both their rookie years (Pep had more starts but Cole had more games), Peppers has two more sacks and the turnover differential is just unfair (Pep’s favor), just as Cole’s tackles and TFL numbers are much higher. Peppers is better at causing turnovers. Cole is a better run stuffer. Both are great at rushing the passer and both make their teammates better on the line.

So where do you get off saying “Better” than Peppers?

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 25, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Pfffttt....

Peppers couldn’t hold Cole’s jockstrap SJS.

WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!

by Acreman20 on Nov 25, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Who needs reasoning, right?

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 25, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!

by Acreman20 on Nov 25, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I’ve seen so many pass rush only ends here that I’d take the guy who plays the run as well every day of the week. Jevon Kearse and Hugh Douglas were great pass rushers, but their absolute refusal to play the run often meant that our run defense was terrible.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Mark Anderson.

Now there’s a rush-only end.

Peppers may not be as proficient at run-stopping as Cole, but with our LBs (and with Carolina’s LBs while Pep was there) a lot of times Pep’s mistakes in run coverage are made up for by LB speed, especially with Briggs and Urlacher. So that doesn’t hurt us as much as it might hurt a team with lesser LBs.

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 26, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Peppers is actually a very good Rush defending end....

And the thing nobody is talking about here is that Peppers is one of the best DL in the league in coverage.

As far as all around goes, Peppers is as good as it gets.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, yes he is.

I know, don’t worry.

I was more saying not that Peppers makes many mistakes, just that if/when he does, the Bears are more covered in their LB speed than other teams, and I’m more than aware that tackles/TFL does not necessarily equal coverage.

But there must be something to Cole’s drastic edge in TFL beyond being run at more.

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 26, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't picking on what you were saying, bro.

And I guess I didn’t make myself clear enough.

let me rephrase what I was saying. Peppers is one of the best DL in the league in dropping back into pass coverage. For a guy who is known for sacks, peppers is dropped back into coverage quite a bit on zone blitzes, and does a fantastic job in coverage, playing more like an athletic linebacker than a DL. I was speaking of pass coverage, not run coverage.

I have no question about the skill of Trent Cole. He’s an under-rated stud. I truly believe him to be one of the best all around DEs in the league. But Peppers is arguably the best all around DE in the league. I’m not arguing against Cole being very good. I am just stating the point that people who just read the every day media miss the other things he does, like great run support and very good pass coverage.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ what the hell are you on?

Peppers is better than all of our line combined?!?! So let me get this straight, Julius Peppers lining up by himself is better than a line than Cole-Dixon-Patterson-Parker? LMAO.

First off Trent Cole is better than Julius Peppers, he is a better pass rusher and he is a better run defender.

Izzy isn’t a top 5 DE. Not even close.

Dixon, Patterson, Bunkley and Laws > Toenia

And the stats do tell the whole story, the Eagles line gets more pressure and they have more sacks. Plus turn on a game and you’ll see the Eagles line dominate. Its the LB play thats holding the Defense back but even the LB play gets better just about every week.

Eagles D-Line >>>> Bears D-Line and it isn’t even close.

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 26, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on this one...

I see the Bears edging it out 16-13 after trailing 13-9 for most of the second half (after leading 9-6 at half). But you are correct about the fact that if the Eagles get ahead early, this will get ugly. I think McCoy and Samuel will be the difference makes for the Eagles and Cutler and Chris Harris the difference makers for the Bears. C Harris has been caught up inside a few times too many this season and he’s starting to get out of position by biting on the seam route too often. I’d just like to see anyone on the offense (outside of Cutler) step up and make a few plays. I don’t care if it’s Hester making a catch, Forte hitting the hole, or Knox taking the ball away from the defender, but I want to see the offense get aggressive and make some big plays for a change.

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by LostInSTL on Nov 25, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

Bears 28 Eagles 24

I had a dream last night and this was the score.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 25, 2010 6:20 PM CST reply actions  

Bears 31 Eagles 27

Hester has a return TD and the D scores a TD. Cutler throws 2 TD’s to Olsen. I think this is Olsen’s coming out party here. Their linebackers/safeties cannot and will not shut him down and I think he’s the X-factor for our offense.

Awesome write-up T-Train. Though it was long as hell, I’d read this every single week if you posted it.

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by Acreman20 on Nov 25, 2010 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks a bunch, Acreman.

A high compliment, indeed.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d read this every single week if you posted it.

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by Acreman20 on Nov 26, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I had actually planned on it from the beginning of the season....

Then I finally got back to work after a long lay-off (18 months) and I just went something 40 something days without a day off, so i haven’t had as much time as I used to.

I’m trying though, jesh. Cut a guy some slack, would you? ;)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

:)

Damn. Better working than not though brother.

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by Acreman20 on Nov 26, 2010 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

You get a AMEN for that one, bro!

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Been to Chicago

If your going to make the comparison it has to be the loaded italian beef vs the cheese steak. The italian beef would still lose but I have to admit I do get the craving now and then.

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by no1pipelayer on Nov 25, 2010 10:57 PM CST reply actions  

Been to Philly once.

Believe I had Pat’s cheese steak. While damned good, I’m not the biggest fan of Cheez Wiz, which is what I got on it. When it comes to the cheese steaks are Pat’s/ Geno’s the best? Are they just more advertised? Or is there like a smaller, lesser known place you prefer more? Ashamed to admit that the only time I ventured to Chicago I didn’t reward myself with a Polish Sausage or Italian beef. I was a young and naive 20 year old. :(. I will redeem myself one day though.

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by Acreman20 on Nov 25, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Steve’s Prince of Steaks Up in the northeast. Out of those two I like Geno’s. Depends on if you like your steak chopped up or in slices. Pat’s is chopped. Geno’s and Steve’s are not.

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by no1pipelayer on Nov 26, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

mmmmmmm............

sliced is better…………………..mmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………….

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Polish Sausage is more a reference that Chicago fans would get.

Philly is know for Cheese Steaks (Which I have a weakness for, lol) and Chicago is known more for deep dish pies than anything, but the Polish Sausage is also a staple (and a Superfan approved food, too) that Chicago is known for. The italian beef is also truly awesome, though, but not to the level of a good Polish Sausage Sandwich complete with grilled onions and Kraut.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 25, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You and I agree on a lot of things but.....

you’re way off on the Italian Beef vs. Polish Sausage. No place outside of Chicago (except Portillo’s now has two locations in Southern California but they just don’t taste the same) has Italian Beefs and I’d take it any day over the Polish or the Philly Cheesesteak.

by BearFan611 on Nov 26, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Never been to Detroit, then?

Or Indy? Or most Midwestern cities? I grew up in Detroit, and we ate them pretty regularly. I never had a problem finding them in Indy, and I find them all over South Bend. And I got a fine Italian Beef in New York, as well. Italian Beef is everywhere, My Friend.

Not that this was my point, anyways. How often do you see Bears fans referred to as Italian Beef eaters? I bet you can find a few thousand references to polish sausage on this site alone, though.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I've travelled all over the country for the last 30+ years as part of my job

and what they call “Italian Beef” in other places and what are real Italian Beefs are two different things.

I knew what your reference was, I was talking strictly taste and what people from outside of the Chicago area talk about when they refer to food from Chicago (non football related).

by BearFan611 on Nov 26, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I love the Italian Beef in Chicago....

Best that I’ve had though is in Trapper’s Alley in Detroit. Beyond that, anything outside of Chicago or Detroit is a disappointment with the exception of one place we got one in NY, but the sell on that one was that it was decent so far from home. (I haven’t had a good one yet anywhere in Indiana, and what they call Italian Beef in Texas and AZ is just criminal)

As a matter of taste, it really depends on my mood. Some days I’d take a sausage over all. Some days I have to have the beef (more peppers the better), and some days Chicago Dog would beat either one. If I am in the mood for any of these, nothing else will do. :)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

100% agree on the dog, there's nothing to take it's place once you are in the mood for one...

of course, if you tell me you get ketchup on yours then we will never communicate again.

by BearFan611 on Nov 26, 2010 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Ketchup is for fries (occationally) and for nothing else.......

that would be blasphemy. Poppy Seed Bun, Vienna dog, Tomato slices, Sport Peppers, onions, dill wedge, Neon relish, mustard and celery salt. If the vendor offers Ketchup, you go somewhere else.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

well said

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 26, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Completely Random but...

Maple Syrup is pretty damn awesome.

by DaHamsta on Nov 26, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I've not found anywhere that rivaled Chicago for beef sandwiches,

and I too would take it over a polish any day of the week. The only place with decent beef down here is a Giordanos franchise. When a pizza chain is the best around, you’re in a sorry situation.

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by JerBear50 on Nov 27, 2010 4:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I live in the Western burbs and even out here, it's hard to find a really good one anymore.

Portillo’s is okay but very ordinary, in my opinion, and the same with Buona Beef. The best “beefs” always came from the smaller mom & pop type places, but there aren’t many of those left. The larger chain places, like the one I mentioned above, have put them out of business out this far from the City.

by BearFan611 on Nov 27, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

al's beef

down there in the loop area, can’t beat it.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 27, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Let the record show

that I’ll take an Italian Beef, a Polish Sausage, or some real Chicago style pizza any day over a cheesesteak.. That’s not saying a cheesesteak isn’t good, it’s just not Chicago.

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by Superfans on Nov 26, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

This man under-exaggerates a lot!

Chicago Pizza is the Shizznit!!!!!!!

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Every time I’ve seen an Italian Beef outside of Chicago it’s refered to as a “chicago style” italian beef. Never had one near as good as up on the north side though.

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by no1pipelayer on Nov 26, 2010 2:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I've never seen it refered to as Chicago Style....

We must travel different circles ;)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been watching a lot of the TV shows and sports reports on the upcoming Eagles game...

and notice that the Bears’ players and the reporters/announcers keep talking about the speed of the Eagles’ receivers. Obviously, they are very fast but can they be faster than Knox and Hester? I would find that hard to believe. I’m not talking about route running, hands, etc. just speed because that’s what the reports are keying in on.

I wonder if the Philly TV people and players are talking about our speed at the wideout position.

by BearFan611 on Nov 26, 2010 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

DeSean Jackson is the fastest player in the NFL, if you need any proof turn on a highlight reel. In pads I dare you to find me a more explosive and dynamic player. DeSean turns 24 on December 1st, do you know who has had more 50 yard TDs before their 24th birthday? Randy Moss, thats it. DeSean is tied with Gale Sayers right now.

And Jeremy Maclin stretches the field as well but he is a great complement to DeSean as he is a more well rounded guy, a guy that can beat you underneath or over the top.

In terms of game speed no one is faster than Jackson and Maclin more than holds his own.

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 26, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll actually answer this factually for you.

Eagles:
Desean Jackson’s best official time is 4.35
Jeremy Maclin’s best official time is 4.41
Chad Hall’s best official time is 4.48
Jason Avant’s best official time is 4.49
Riley Copper’s best official time is 4.53
and TE Brent Celek’s best official time 4.75

Bears:
Devin Hester’s best official time is 4.24
Johnny Knox’s best official time is 4.26
Devin Aromashodu’s best official time was 4.38 (right around the Eagles best DeSean Jackson)
Earl Bennett’s best official time was 4.48
Cannot find any times for Rashied Davis but I would guess mid to late 4.4’s right around Bennett.
And TE Greg olsen ’s best official time is 4.47 (or better than most of the Eagles receiving corps.)

So I’m guessing that they should have been talking about he Bears receivers speed instead.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Now this is spun if I’ve ever seen a spin job in my life.

Using combine times for the Eagles and random spring practice times for the Bears? Just stop.

Devin Hester ran a 4.41 at the combine, Johnny Knox ran a 4.34 at the combine, DA ran a 4.48 at the combine, Bennett ran a 4.48 and Olsen ran a 4.45. Those are the correct numbers that were timed at the combine.

DeSean Jackson ran a 4.35 at the combine and a 4.29 at his combine. Jeremy Maclin ran a 4.45 at the combine but that was after he tweaked his knee and scouts had him timed at 4.34 and his best 40 time at Mizzou was a 4.29.

So GTFO. Your official stats aren’t official at all.

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 26, 2010 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

*4.29 at his proday and had been timed at 4.25 during his time at Cal

by d-jackfan10 on Nov 26, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Hester 4.27 Pro day

Run in front of all 32 teams at Miami pro day March 4th 2006 reported here.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 2:49 AM CST reply actions  

reply fail.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 2:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct answer:

Hosed.

Anyway, Bears receivers are ‘fast’. They’re not the best route runners, nor are they really great at anything, and to be fair, I’d probably take Desean over all of them as well. That said, Randy Moss he is not.

Part of Desean’s charm is the same as Berrian’s charm was his first few years in the league. He had the capability to burn them deep on vertical and posts and has above average playcalling giving him and Maclin a great combination of ypc and catches respectively. The skill positions for the Eagles are crazy young and crazy good.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Nov 26, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice write up T-Train

One thing though (albeit minor). I don’t recall Warren Moon being much of a scrambler. Cunningham no doubt is among the greatest scramblers ever.

Anyway, Bear Down!

by rdent4hof on Nov 26, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

only thing id disagree with is

philly fans are not considered a passionate fan base. Insane maybe? crazy Maybe? they turn on there team at a drop of a dime. i dont go on other teams boards, but i will be on theres after the bears stomp the hell out of em. just to laugh at all the hate. the bears and us fans are learning we cant be to high after any win or to low after any loss.

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by LightsOutVegas on Nov 26, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

I said I was being polite ;)

But lets be fair. It takes a ton of passion to boo the drafting of Donovan McNabb. Look at the threads here. This kind of insanity can only be born of passion. I will not even attempt to take that away from Philly fans.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 26, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

are we are talking about how they are perceived around the world?

then i go with crazy / embarrassing

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by LightsOutVegas on Nov 26, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Perception and reality are often at opposite ends of the spectrum. I’m certainly not going to say we are a classy fan base, we have more than our share of Aholes for sure. That said, if we really wanted to cherry pick incidents and then paint that as the entire fan base then Chicago fans always assault first base coaches, throw beer at outfielders trying to field the ball and give death threats to Bartman…. Obviously that isn’t true, but it is the way the mainstream media covers any incident with our fans.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Every fanbase has its asswipes, meatballs, and idiots.

And for the record, White Sox fans are the violent ones that attack first base coaches. Wrigley’s just a giant frat house/singles bar; we’re harmless. :-)

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 26, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What about the Bears fan who blinded the Steelers fan? Just saying, don’t judge us on the Santa incident. Jusdge us on the batteries at JD Drew incident, at least most of those fans are still alive haha. Either way, Chicago’s an awesome city. I’ve seriously considered living there multiple times. BTW, since when was the Sears Tower not the Sears Tower anymore? I’ve been told that is the case now.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 26, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

for a year or two now

they also semi-recently renamed marshall’s to macy’s. crazy world.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 27, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

As I said...

“Every fanbase has its asswipes, meatballs, and idiots.”

I’ll say that one qualifies as an exception and goes beyond all three of those. I’m not judging; anything I say about Philly fans or any other fanbase is probably a joke (like the Great Cheesesteak Fiasco of 2010 thing in the other thread is meant to be taken as a joke).

And as far as the Sears Tower being the Willis Tower now? I think that was just last year, but I’m gonna resist that one.

by Steven Schweickert on Nov 27, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

T-train

good work as always but you didnt mention the BIG X-Factor or should i say G- Factor.

I take Olsen vs any eagles Linebacker.

This could be a big game for olsen with his size and speed and overrall manliness Ditkaness.

All jokes aside if im Martz i make sure i utilize early and Often when he is involved he adds another element to this offense.

We all remember this. =)

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by Bear Lovin 21 on Nov 26, 2010 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

sweet picture

better than the one where griese hit moose in the back end for a last minute winning td pass in 07. false start fred miller even got away with an obvious hold on that awesome play.

by reefermadness3 on Nov 26, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Eagles fans...

I just read some of the garbage over on their site, the way they talk, they think we’re 3-7, not 7-3. They say the Bears are a fluke, well so are they, do they really think that if Kolb didn’t get hurt, and Vick was still on the bench, that they’d be a winning team, I don’t. Come Sunday, after Da Bears win, they can go back and whine at “Bleeding Cheez Whiz Nation”

What were they thinking?

by touchdown bears on Nov 27, 2010 1:36 AM CST reply actions  

I don’t really see anything flukey about Vick ending up as the starter. People get hurt and replaced by their backup all the time. As much as bears fans seem to be pumped Ellis Hobbs is out, he was already demoted from starter even after he came back healthy.

…Also, the Kolb-lead eagles did beat the Falcons (who many people believe are the top team) by 14.

by eagleyosh on Nov 27, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

call me crazy, but i am less worried about Vick

and more worried about our offense. Vick has not done well against Urlacher and the Bears defense, and yes I know that comes against much lesser Falcon teams. I am more worried if the Offense will move the ball and run the clock enough to keep the defense fresh enough to continue to contain Vick.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Nov 27, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

I love coming back to this shit

T-Train owned D-Jackoff so much all over the place.

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by DocPepper on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 AM CST reply actions  

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