The Bears Den: November 3, 2010
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2010 7:44 AM CDT
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Mr. Dovie doesn't make offensive personnel decisions.
On that note, I wonder if coaches get drug tested…
Yes
And coach Martz tested positive for cholesterol.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I beg to differ. Mr. Dovie frequently makes offensive decisions.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean
he makes decisions for the offense, or decisions that are offensive?
by David in Maine on Nov 3, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say he didn't make offensive decisions.
I said personnel decisions. Lovie by default has final say on everything, but he has also said repeatedly that Mike Martz makes all personnel decisions on offense.
This whole season is like a Hitchcock movie...
we all know what’s coming, but we just don’t know when. All of the pieces are in place for an epic implosion or explosion. This team could pull the pieces together and reel of 6-8 wins or fall off that cliff and drop 6-8 losses. I cannot say, with any degree of certainty, which is more likely to happen. Putting Collins ahead of Hanie, however shows me which way Lovie is pushing the scales.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Or more importantly ly like an episode of ...
Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard. and Dr. Martz, and Dr. Angelo
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 3, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
are 4 picks by collins any worse than 4 picks by JC?
besides both collins and hanie are scrubs and there are bigger things to worry about than who the #2 QB is going to be.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is hanie a scrub?
I get he isn’t some top pick first round bonus baby but damn. When he’s been given the ball I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him. Strong arm, solid pocket presence and even the ability to move around a little if it’s needed.
We know who Todd Collins is, there’s tons of evidence of that, but I don’t get why everyone is so down on a guy we have seen very very little of.
by lopey986 on Nov 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Todd Collins gets off the bus.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Slowly....
Then he turns the wrong way and gets hit by a passing taxi….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Yes...
because 4 picks by Collins means that JC isn’t playing and the Bears are behind by a significant point differential. Yes, there are bigger issues than the #2 QB, however, if Cutler has to sit out a few games for injuries or even just a few plays, wouldn’t having a better #2 be in the interest of winning (or not losing) a few close games that can be the difference between the playoffs and not. Let’s face the reality that the Bears O-line isn’t likely to suddenly protect Cutler with any real consistency, so the possibility of Cutler being injured again isn’t that far fetched. Hanie, to my opinion, has outplayed Collins to a significant degree. Then again, maybe Hanie has some nagging injury and the coaches are keeping him eligible, but safely behind the “Million Dollar Man!”
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
I'm voting for the less likely explosion
An implosion doesn’t do what’s happening at Halas Hall justice.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Collins back
ahead of Hanie shows me that martz > Lovie IMO….Cant put my finger on it just get that sense…..
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
between collins as a number 2
and desmond never seeing the field…i don’t even know what to say. wtf.
Ummm. you did say WTF!!!!????
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hall stopped by 4 times
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 3, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
putting that scrub ahead of hanie
to me is really just a bad omen that the bears are going to get punched in the mouth this sunday en route to another crappy loss.
WTF are they thinking? maybe hanie said something not nice to someone important over there.
Victory hinges upon who the #2 QB is?
get a grip.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
With our O-line?
Maybe.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
hey they only gave up 4 sacks last game
maybe they can get that down to 3 1/2 next game.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
no
does anyone not sniffing glue really want to see that old washed up scrub getting one more snap ever behind center in a bears uniform?
by reefermadness3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
and who really wants to see hanie getting any snaps
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
far as I am concerned both hanie and collins stink and I don't want to see either of them behind center in a real game.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Is anyone here not sniffing glue?
It helps with the trauma.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 3, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
a guess
he will play qb after the 3 before him go down with awful injuries this sunday
by reefermadness3 on Nov 3, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I apologize Reefer
when I slowed down, it did make sense. I just wanted to add even more simpsons references on here in a haste.
as you referenced the best character in the simpsons
no apology needed.
by reefermadness3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Who is this "Clark" you speak of?
Sounds vaguely familiar… I seem to recall a guy who could catch, run well after the catch, break a tackle or two, and block to boot. Years ago. Doesn’t sound like a guy who has a place on this team.
I've been saying the same thing that Pompei addresses in his article about the WR's.
Everyone assumes that the QB is always making the right decision and the WR is in the wrong spot or didn’t run the route correctly, obviously, that’s not always the case. If you also read the comments by Kurt Warner on Cutler, the two things coincide and more of the blame needs to fall on Jay.
Pompei really?
Pampei will say anything he thinks will get him more readers.
Warner & Theisman on the other hand do know something. Apparently Jay won’t give up old habits. Instead of quickly reading if a receiver will be open he waits to see if the receiver does come open. As Warner points out the system is based on timing and if JC takes too long making his reads it throws the timing off. not to mention it gives guys like D.Hall time to read cutler.
Up until last game the rush was getting to him before he could make a bad decision, lets hope the Washington game was a wake up call for Jay and he accepts what he is being coached.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
You, obviously, didn't read the article.
He was addressing this subject in interviews with Martz and Darryl Drake, the WR coach. It was their contention that there have been very few mistakes by the WR corp. No one is saying they have been perfect but most of the negative comments come from people who have no idea what the scheme is or the design of the play. For those people, Troy Aikman included, to make these definitive statements that the WR was at fault is ludicrous.
When you hear from the coaches and then from Warner (I discount Theiseman’s opinion since he didn’t play in the system either) and they are saying similar things in completely different articles, then I’d have to think that there is some credence to the theory.
didn't Aikman play for Norv Turner in Dallas?
and Martz worked with Turner in Washington, and that their offensive systems are similar only Martz is more pass orientated. And if all that is true then Aikman may actually know something after all. I have never liked Pompei’s work but he does his job because I continue to read his crap.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
ahhhh yes the South Park movie was true
when they said “Blame Canada”. No wonder Angelo can’t draft or pick FA’s, he still thinks our WRs can run 20 yards deep in the end zone.
Matt Jones retiring? Bears can convince him to come back to play, like Mike Williams for Seattle
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Nov 3, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
shhh
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 3, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Like Todd Collins...
For the Bears.
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I just want to know...
All the people that were predicting playoffs, 10+ wins, all that… do you still believe that?
12-4 North Champs
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
at the beginning of the season I thought 6 – 10….Then after the wins over every ones Super Bowl darlings green bay and dallas I bought into it and thought hey maybe 10 – 6 (like Moon said) or maybe 11 – 5…..Now after the last 2 losses (and they way they lost) back to 6 – 10…..
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
Yes.
All that and a Super Bowl win to boot. This team is poised to turn it around. The Kool Aid will permit no other philosophy.
I said 9-7
because I said so…
and I still say so!
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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Is it me or does JC need to attend the Tom Brady school of public speaking?
He just doesn’t know how to compose himself in front of a camera after a game.
Secondly, you have to admit to yourself that you have a problem before you can do something about it. somehow someway I think we all have our blind spots and are not always honest with ourselves. Take me for example, I live in Indiana but stubbornly refuse to jump on the Colts bandwagon, I’ll always see them as the team that slipped out of Baltimore in the middle of the night.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions
Why does this matter?
He just doesn’t know how to compose himself in front of a camera after a game.
.
Also,
somehow someway I think we all have our blind spots and are not always honest with ourselves. Take me for example.What are you not being honest with yourself about?
because
to me he comes across as someone who needs to grow a pair.
Its just a game
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes absolutely no sense.
If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?
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and it somehow surprises you that
not everyone sees the world from your singular point of view.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I see his point of view
he’s paid to play football, not speak. I could care less if everyone conducted the Randy Moss interview, it’s better/more entertaining than the crap coming from Lovie type speak anyways…if it’s just a game like you say, why is it important they know how to talk in front of a crowd?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Nov 3, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If that were true why does the nfl require players and coaches to give interviews?
Because its show business.
Football is a very emotional game, and getting pushed in front of a camera after a game like the last one has to be a nightmare all its own.
To Jay its a profession and public speaking is a required part of it. Too me its entertainment its should be just a game. I can watch and enjoy a movie and not really care if the actor is a jerk in his private life. How to explain the morbid curiosity that forces me to watch the after game interviews and commentary by people I don’t respect.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
uh. yeah.
who cares? he could be a deaf mute and sign in dutch.. and it absolutely in no way matters. the only thing that matters is what’s on the field.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 3, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady's too refined.
I want him to attend the John Madden school of public speaking so we can hear things like… “We lost the game today because the other team scored more points.” or “Throwing four interceptions today really hurt our chances of getting the ball in the end zone.”
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I didn't have a problem with his attitude last season
but this year is a different story, because it’s the “same old story.” His non-chalant attitude can be directly attributed to his work ethic. Does he try to improve his decision-making? Probably, but does he go about it the correct way? I’m not so sure, cause him and his receivers should be close to being on the same page by now.
Four interceptions in a close game are unacceptable, and obviously need to be rectified immediately if this team expects to make the playoffs.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
How exactly do you know what his work ethic is?
Just because you have Sunday ticket that doesn’t mean you know his overall work ethic. Unless you are at Halas hall everyday that he goes there to work you have no idea what his actual work ethic is. Four ints in a close game are unacceptable but just because he throws them doesn’t make him lazy or not a hard worker. I don’t excuse his play and am not a Jay defender but you’ve made it obvious you are done with him and are going to nitpick everything from here on out. That said to say his attitude is a direct impact on his work ethic is lazy, you are better than this.
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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 3, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Something is definitely wrong
No one has a clue on why he’s the most maligned QB in the league right now. He has all the tools, but can’t put it together. I admit that I’m reaching a bit, but all these negative games have to have a direct cause. Please don’t say the pressure gets to him, cause in every game I see QBs get blasted regularly.
The reason I point to his work ethic is cause I’ve read from JD that he doesn’t put in extra work with his WRs like elite QBs normally do. What’s usually the difference between average QBs and great ones? Work ethic.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
right, Jay only gets sack'd 4 times last game and we talk about how much better the O-line is playing.
If he wasn’t beat to hell maybe he would be out working with the receivers more.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I have my monthly subscription of Cutler Cam paid up to date dammit!
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Nov 3, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised
that the way he conducts himself in front of the camera leads you to question everything about him. But, do you question Drew Brees the same way after his 4 int game against the Browns?
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Apples vs oranges
One is a champion and the other has yet to play a playoff game.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
I'll take the accolades with 4 picks
Currently, Cutler has nothing but a 4,500 yard season under his belt, but that was because they threw the ball a ton.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
so its ok if Brees throws up 4 picks
but JC needs to be held to a higher standard, at least until he has the accolades?
I don’t think we will see another 4 pick game from Brees any time soon and I certainly hope we don’t ever see another one from Jay.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say that
It just seems like personal accountability is lacking with him.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
yes it seems that way sometimes
and if McNabb isn’t too big to be benched why should Cutler.
But then we would have to play Collins or Hanie.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 3, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
There is only one
Walter Payton, from NFL’s top 100
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
I hope Walter Payton is #1
But I bet it’ll be Jim Brown. If Payton isn’t at least in the top 3 then the list is meaningless.
by TheotherDane on Nov 3, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
TheotherDane?
Wow, he has a following. Or a stalker. Either way, wow.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Or.....
Dane is Spiderman…..?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I saw him pop up in the new members queue a couple weeks ago.
Not sure who the eff this guy thinks he is, but I’m keeping my eye on him.
In the meantime, welcome aboard, TOD. :)
I'm sure none was taken...
Dane N is a pretty laid back guy…sure he was just having a little fun with you.
by David in Maine on Nov 4, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It was funny.
I’m just a real sarcastic SOB and any chance to poke fun at Dane? Well….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Split Personality?
Good Dane / Bad Dane?
by David in Maine on Nov 3, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
is this like the defenderofkob?
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Nov 4, 2010 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
thanks Dane, always good for a chuckle
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
by BearNecessities on Nov 4, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha...
oh the memories… what ever happened to him?
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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