The Chicago Bears Should Sign Randy Moss Now...For Real.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT
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The Chicago Bears Should Sign Randy Moss Now...For Real. Yes, I said it. I think they should. There are so many cons to this acquisition that it is highly doubtful that Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith would sign off on this move. Mike Martz loves his current receivers too, so I doubt he wants him. Jay Cutler should want him for obvious reasons. The Bears' "offense" needs him, despite all of his attitude and antics. Somebody before the Bears will probably claim him anyway, but here's why the Bears should make a waiver claim on Randy Moss:
The Pros:
- One of the most talented receivers in the NFL is available right now, no draft picks to give up, no long term salary commitments necessary. He's past his prime, but he's still better than 90% of the wideouts in the NFL.
- The Bears offense is currently ranked 29th overall and 19th with the pass. That's not good. Randy Moss is an explosive receiver. The Bears "Number 1" Receiver has 18 catches for 182 yards and 1 touchdown. That's pathetic. Johnny Knox would be even more explosive and dangerous with Randy Moss opposite him instead of Devin Hester.
- Jay Cutler loves to throw the ball and have his receivers "go up and get it". The few times Greg Olsen has made plays this season, it's been this kind of play. When Jay tries to have a receiver go up and get it; well an interception usually results. Randy Moss is REALLY good at this when he wants to be. Really good. The Bears' red zone offense is downright horrendous. Have you seen the Bears throw any fade routes near the goal line to a receiver? Me neither. Why is that? Our receivers can not do it. Randy Moss most certainly can.
- The Bears have 9 games left. 33% of those games are against the Vikings and Patriots. Both former teams of Randy Moss. If he can impact just those 3 games, he's worth it....period. The Bears path to 10 victories is dicey at best. The Vikings, Jets, Patriots, Eagles, and Packers are all more talented than the Bears, maybe even the Dolphins too. The Bears will be overachieving to win 6 of their remaining 9 games in my opinion. Moss increases the talent level on this team tremendously.
The Cons:
- Roughly 4 million dollars worth of salary left. It's not my money and there's no salary cap this season. This should not be a factor.
- Randy Moss is a punk. No question. So are lots of guys in the NFL. Lovie Smith and Mike Tice (Randy's former head coach who he did get along with) are well respected by players throughout the league. I think they can get some use out of Moss. Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, and Olin Kreutz are STRONG, veteran presences in the Bears' locker room. I have to think Randy respects them, if so, then maybe his attitude can be minimized...maybe.
- Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith and Mike Martz are all looking at the unemployment line if the Bears don't make the playoffs (at least they should be.). This move reeks of desperation. Those three guys (the entire offense really) should be desperate after ugly losses to Washington and Seattle.
- Randy doesn't always try on every play. No he doesn't. In fact he gives up on a lot of plays. That can lead to interceptions. Jay Cutler doesn't need any more help in throwing interceptions; he's good at that all on his own. That's the biggest con in bringing him to the Bears.
- Can Randy even get close to learning Mike Martz's scheme? Our receivers are still making mistakes after 9 months. Is it reasonable for Moss to be able to learn the routes, the hot reads, the complicated pre-snap shifts? I have doubts.
So in conclusion, let's go get this guy. At 4-3 and a hard schedule ahead coupled with an anemic offense (especially on 3rd down & in the redzone), having Randy Moss on your team makes you more talented. Talent wins in the NFL. Go get him, and figure out the rest as you go along.
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Chicago/Lake Forrest food >>> Minneapolis right?
If Randy likes deep dish pizza we’re good.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 3, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But would he
feed it to his dog ? …..
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
I think the upside balances out the cons
It’s worth a shot, right? We’re desperate to see the offense fixed and you’d assume Angelo et al are desperate to keep their jobs…
Vic Koenning is my homeboy.
Another Upside
is that if we do get him and pay him for the rest of the year and he leaves in Free Agency we would get a compensatory draft pick for him. I dont see why we shouldnt do it. If he comes in and is a cancer to the team then it will look bad on Lovie and Jerry so that will help them get out. Also did you see what Moss did in Minny for Percy Harvin. Just by being in the lineup he cleared up all kinds of space in the middle for Harvin and made him look like a pro bowl receiver. Can you imagine Hester with that type of room?
by l3ig_lvlike_430 on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
I'd be pretty surprised
If he makes it past the rams, chargers, Seahawks or dolphins to fall to us and I’d be even more shocked if the bears claimed him.
by lopey986 on Nov 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Rams
are not going to do that, they have hit a good stride with the team they have and i doubt they would want to hinder Bradford this early in his career. Chargers would make sense to me because they are in a weaker division and could still make some noise.
by l3ig_lvlike_430 on Nov 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
The Vikings may have more talent
but they’re even worse at utilizing it than the Bears are.
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by Kev H on Nov 3, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Moss will be playing for his next contract...
Which will lead to him playing his butt off for the rest of the year. This would prove or disapprove the theory that Jay needs a big WR. Like mentioned above, he would gain us a comp pick. In addition, he would open up the running game due to other teams having to drop their safeties in coverage due to Moss’s ability. He does not have to learn the offense completely. We just need to send him out on routes that he is strong at. Jay can handle knowing where Randy is going. Moss would help bail out Jay when the line breaks down. He would give Jay that extra confidence that he needs to prosper.
this is what i think chilly failed at...
He does not have to learn the offense completely. We just need to send him out on routes that he is strong at.
but, i don’t know martz would do any better..
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 3, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly right...
we’re not talking about pick up games in the school yard here. Martz’ system, like it or not, is complex and the players who succeed in it need to be committed to it and undersand it.
We have countless people on this site and in the media complaining about Knox and company not completely routes and running the wrong way and now some of those same people say bring in a guy and we don’t care if he’s in the right spot. You can’t have it both ways.
Moss was a tremendous talent but he is on the decline, so take that and add being a malcontent, and I don’t see how his “upside” is greater than his “downside”.
since our wr's can't learn this system
going on 8 months now, what makes you believe Moss could get a grip in a few weeks. People keep saying “it can’t be any worse”
A. That logic is moronic, how many positions on this team could you say that about? Pretty much every one but LB.
B. Yes, it could be worse.
Moss runs basically two routes.
It could be argued by some that you pay him to run 6-8 hot routes/deep posts per game and see what happes.
Don't we already have
Knox and Hester who basically fill the “deep route” void? If we had no speed on our WR unit, I would completely agree with that statement.
No, we have fast guys. But they can't out jump anyone and haul in deep pass.
Moss can, if he wants to.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 3, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
but to sign a guy for 6-8 deep routes for the sake of going deep seems like it could be filled by a “fast guy”
The difference
is that Moss running a deep route commands a CB and safety attention, essentially freeing up receivers underneath or taking the risk that a bomb to Moss becomes a big gain or TD.
Moss has football smarts
something Hester and Knox lack. The guy has been in the league for a long time now and has played in a couple of different offenses … he’s not dense. He knows how to read coverage which is something our current batch of morons doesn’t know how to do. He also knows when it’s appropriate to break off a route and when it’s not.
Actually I believe the Vikings are on the hook for his salary this season so he's got that going for him.
That said, no way. I don’t want to see my Bears stoop to that level. Not even if it means more wins. Integrity matters and this guys a 3 time loser.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
by Just Dave on Nov 3, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Says who
From what I understand, if he goes on waiver, whoever takes it is on the hook for about 3.4.
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Of course.
Whatever remains on his contract after today at 4pm ET will be paid by the team that hires him at 4pm ET. His contract goes with him unless no one places a claim on him, in which case he’d become a UFA.
That's not the way I understand it.
If no team claims him, Moss will be eligible to sign a new deal with any team and the Vikings would still be on the hook for nearly $4 million in remaining salary.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
But that's only if no team claims him
so we’re kinda both right. But I think his contract is too high personally.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
so would Moss
have no choice but to play for that team? If so, I will find it very funny if he ends up on a team with no playoff hopes at all.
Jay Cutler..
Would be the MOST TALENTED QB Moss has ever played with.
Period.
Moss would love it.
And i think with personalities like Lach, Kruetz, and Briggs on the team Moss would be kept in check. I don’t see how signing him to a 1 yr contract would hurt.
13. It's a magic number
cuz personalities like
Brady, Favre, Peterson, Carter, Cunningham, and Randle, held him in check so well.
Brady did for a time.
We forget that Moss holds virtually every receiving single season record, and we hadn’t really heard anything negative out of him in the 3 years in that system until this year.
Do you know what you're talking about?
seriously – do you have a clue about Randy Moss or just what you heard this season … Christ man, Carter practically raised the kid in Minnesota and got him to play to potential. Tom Brady did keep the guy in check and so did BB so they were able to get some production out of him and make him accountable in New England.
He screwed off in Oakland and yeah he dogs it on plays when he’s not involved, but if you’re telling me the inept route runners (sure they’re burners – Hester, Knox) are better than Randy Moss you need to watch more football and do less reading on ESPN.
Ok, here's the facts
I never once said Knox or Hester were better, I’m not a moron. Randy Moss is probably the second best receiver of all time. I was stating that if the reason you get him is to be a speed decoy, we already have burners. I don’t believe adding Moss instantly solves our problems, or would be of great impact this year. Also to just blindly say “we have characters on our team that would keep him in check” is kind of, at least slightly a shot in the dark isn’t it? I mean because we have Kreutz, Urlacher (who doesn’t keep anyone in check anyways, not a problem just not his personality) or Briggs, that means Moss is automatically, going to step in line? Christ Man is the superhero I play on weekends, so that part of your post was accurate.
You keep refering to his speed, as you did up higher in the thread,
and not addressing his size and leaping ability. That counts too.
I know
I guess my point is, if you’re just gonna send someone deep as a decoy, is it really worth the cost/baggage? I know Moss could probably be used as more than a decoy too, but I’m just arguing against the “sign him for decoy purposes” thought that is out there.
the decoy argument
I also don’t agree with the suggestion to sign him as a decoy. A guy with that kind of talent needs to be more than that – and in this offense he would likely be the primary target. He would attract double teams no doubt and that would free up guys like Knox and Bennett … yes, and even Hester.
Maybe more importantly, it frees up Olsen who we need to get involved in the offense. If you think about the ways that Martz could scheme with Moss – this offense could be dangerous … EXCEPT our Achilles Heel is the damn O-Line. Still, I’d take the chance and grab Moss. He’s too big a weapon and we need one.
I hear ya
I guess its just the personell and scheme and general bad feel we have going now. If they acquired him in the off-season I think I would feel better, just based on having time to learn things better, and get in rhythm with Cutler more, through practice, not just thrown into the fire with immediate results expected.
Lol Last time a player popped off infront of kruetz
He jawed him.
So yeah.
I’m pretty sure he’d be kept in check
13. It's a magic number
Weren't Fred Miller and him
just “best of buds” after that incident? That whole thing was fishy, and hilarious at the same time.
Haha right
Miller kept his mouth shut after that…Ofcourse it was wired shut…but still.
13. It's a magic number
Shawn Hill>Jay Cutler
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
I'm surprised you didn't put Rexy in there
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Because
Cutler = grossman duh…..
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
by CloudyFuture on Nov 3, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Someone asked me this week if Jay was better than Rex, and really I couldn’t come up a legitimate reason as hard as I tried.
this is true ...
these days he’s not much better than Rex … but we could chalk that up to O-Line troubles. yet, how do we explain the rash of INTs?
Totally
I won’t argue with him anymore because it’s pointless to talk about similarities between elite/HOF QBs and Cutler.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
The biggest differences are height and mobility
and the fact that Jay doesn’t fumble the ball nearly as much.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
By the current numbers in this poll,
I’d say that around 70% of voters are Madden players.
by Dane Noble on Nov 3, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted No and love Madden .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 3, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
To you and jimribs,
Flip your logic. I didn’t imply that Madden fans all voted yes, I implied that yes voters were Madden fans.
i hate madden... and voted yes?
BREAK THE CYCLE!
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 3, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
All squares are rectangles.
Not all rectangles are squares.
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Dude
thats deep….
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
I like the revenge factor!
I was against this move until I you pointed to the Pats and Vikes games. How great would it be to see him torch them in a Bears uniform? Honestly, I don’t think the Bears will do it. But, it would be interesting to see what would happen. Why not? This team will struggle to get to 9 wins without him. If he fits in and makes a few plays a game, maybe the Bears could get to 10-11 wins. Lovie and Jerry know that their butts are on the line, and they’ve already made desperate moves this year. What’s one more desperate move?
Randy Moss sucks!
2009 New England Patriots 16 16 83 1,264 15.2 71T 13
2008 New England Patriots 16 16 69 1,008 14.6 76T 11
2007 New England Patriots 16 16 98 1,493 15.2 65T 23
This guy totally blows. He’s a locker room cancer and he takes plays off. He doesn’t care about the team. He doesn’t want to win.
No, the guy’s a straight f’n baller.
by junkhorse on Nov 3, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
The baller that was dumped by 2 teams in a month.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching./ Free Free
Biggest cons
1. Ignores a perfect pass by Favre, which would’ve easily been a TD- doesn’t try out of spite most of the time.
2. He has no class, no concept of team, is a sorry excuse for human being. He’ll throw his grandmother under the bus if he benefits from it.
An emphatic NO!
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
by propheteer on Nov 3, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Forget Moss..
.. And bring Adewale Ogunleye Back!! He was cut by the Texans in favor of Mark Anderson, who sacked Payton Manning Last monday. (why he didn’t played like this in chicago?)
by Claudio Oliveira on Nov 3, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
Because our coaches suck. Plain and simple.
by lopey986 on Nov 3, 2010 1:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well
if the Bears dont put in a claim for him we get to hear on how Angleo / Lovie would of passed on yet another player….bledsoe, warner, owens, boldin….So that will be good fun…..My bet sd picks him up…..
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
Having Moss would immediately open the other side of the field, however, the timing would still be off, and more importantly, Cutler is still being sacked as the ball snaps, it wouldn’t matter if we had Jerry Rice/Andre Reed/ Andre Johnson/Randy Moss lining up in all 4 spots.
"I'd rather have an ugly win than an ugly loss. Yeah, they had a lot of yards, but yards don't mean crap. Points do." -Brian Urlacher
no
This is the main reason:
“Can Randy even get close to learning Mike Martz’s scheme? Our receivers are still making mistakes after 9 months. Is it reasonable for Moss to be able to learn the routes, the hot reads, the complicated pre-snap shifts? I have doubts. "
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
this is the only reason why we shouldnt get moss
theres no way he can fit into this system based on everything we have known moss to be since he was a rookie
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
I know Martz is stubborn...
but let’s say what IF the Bears claim Moss and actually get him. Why couldnt Martz “change” what Moss’ patterns would be in his offense to the 2-3 patterns Moss runs all the time? I know it’s a stretch…but I think it could be done.
Moss
I’ll stick with the Bears current receivers. First they have not been the problem, its the offensive line, Second they play every down, they don’t take vacations during the game.
Their attitude is positive even in light of learning a difficult system and having an Oline that cannot pass block. Moss would quit the first time Cutler misses him. If he is not happy playing with the likes of Tom Brady or Brett Favre, what makes anyone think that he will be happy as a Bear? Forget that quitter.
My name is Jerry Angelo ... and I'm a tool.
We don’t need Brandon Marshall … we like our receivers. Terrell Owens? No, we’re good, HOF receivers isn’t the direction we’re looking at. Randy Moss? No, he’s only #2 all-time, we like the guys we have going forward. They’re small and can’t run routes, aren’t very smart and don’t know their playbooks, but we like their potential.
Almost unbelievable that we let Moss pass us by. The weakest receiving corps in the NFL. Our best receiver in the coach’s doghouse. Our two worst TEs are starting. Somebody wake me up from this nightmare.
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