Game 8 Preview: Chicago Bears @ Buf...Toronto Bills
by Mike Mueller on Nov 5, 2010 3:00 PM CDT
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PrintThe Chicago Bears make their first trip to Toronto since an August 15th, 1960 preseason game vs the Giants. Israel Idonije gets to go see his "home and native land." Hopefully the Bears offensive line will "stand on guard for thee" for Jay Cutler.
The Bills are the only winless team in the NFL. However, they have taken their previous two opponents into overtime only to lose. Offensively they are 26th, but QB Ryan Fitzpatrick & receivers Steve Johnson and Lee Evans have looked good the past few weeks. Defensively, Buffalo is 29th overall and a league worst 32nd vs the run.
Quick Numbers:
188.7: Number of rushing yards per game allowed by the Bills, 34 yards worse than 31st ranked Denver. That's bad.
88.6: Number of rushing yards per game by the Chicago Bears, good for 26th in the NFL.
18: Number of sacks allowed by the Bills this season. Ranked 21st.
11: Number of sacks by the Chicago defense. Ranked 25th.
These teams are perfect for each other!
Key Injuries:
CHICAGO:
Did Not Participate: Zack Bowman - foot
BUFFALO:
Did Not Participate: Andra Davis - shoulder;
When Buffalo Has The Ball:
Buffalo is an OK running team. Fred Jackson has some talent and they drafted C.J. Spiller 9th overall, yet do not use him very often. Buffalo's recent competitiveness has to do with the resurgence of Ryan Fitzpatrick. In his last 3 games he has 8 touchdown passes vs. 3 interceptions and has thrown for 825 yards with a completion percentage of 60%. With the Bears good run defense, I expect the Bills to try and air it out. Lee Evans and Steve Johnson have come alive with Fitzpatrick's ascendancy to the starting lineup. Johnson has 6 touchdown catches in his last 5 games.
It will be extremely important for the Bears to first stop the run, and then get after Fitzpatrick. The Bills offensive line has given up 18 sacks this season, so Peppers & Idonije will have an opportunity to get to the QB.
Key Matchup: Steve Johnson vs. Charles Tillman. At 6-2 and 202 lbs, Johnson is probably just too big for Tim Jennings (Bowman most likely won't play). The responsibility of keeping Johnson in check falls to the struggling Charles Tillman. The resurgent Mike Williams of Seattle had a career game in the same situation 3 weeks ago.
X-Factor: Devin Hester of course. The roof is reported to be closed on the Rogers Centre for Sunday's game. No elements to worry about. Good traction. Hester to the house.
When Chicago Has the Ball:
We've said this time and time again; can we please run the ball a bit more? Please! Buffalo has the worst run defense in the league. I do not care if they put 9 guys in the box. We need to establish a little bit of a run game. Jay Cutler is struggling, the receivers are struggling, the offensive line is REALLY struggling. We need a run game in order to win. Run the ball a little bit, then play action and boom. Bears in a rout.
Key Matchup: Nose Tackle Kyle Williams vs. Olin Kreutz, Roberto Garza, and Chris Williams. Nose tackles don't often rack up huge numbers, but Kyle Williams already has 3 sacks (more than Peppers btw). In addition, he has 27 solo tackles. In comparison, Toeaina, Adams, Melton, and Harris have 30 combined. Our 4 interior defensive linemen have 30 solo tackles collectively. Kyle Williams has 27 all by himself. He's a good player. Kyle Williams will line up against all 3 of our interior linemen at some point on Sunday. This matchup is key to the run game and the passing game.
X-Factor: Jay Cutler's psyche. I'm all in favor of him playing a very conservative game. No mistakes. Just win the game.
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"Oh" my...
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 5, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
or is it "O"?
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 5, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Conservative game plan ??? Is that even in ...
…. Mike Martz’s vocabulary or better yet his playbook ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
We need to run the football...
However, we do not need to turn into a conservative team. We need a 60/40 or 55/45, run/pass ratio. We need to get people in sync and get the offensive line gelling.
Martz would be wise to run, run, and run some more this Sunday.
Buffalo is ranked 6th in the league in passing yards allowed with 195.6 yds/g. That along with Martz’ stubborness and the emergence of Buffalo’s offense has me a bit worried about this game.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
I'm with you on this one...
there is NO reason to even attempt a pass in the first 5 series. Just run Martzy run! The Bears D will keep Buffalo in check, but Martz has to be the anti-Martz for just one week. Give the O-line a chance to gain some confidence, Jay a little rest, and the defense a few less minutes to defend. Even if it’s three and out for the first few series, just run, run, run. Beat up a smallish D-line and then pass like crazy if it suits you.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
22 to 25 rushing plays would be welcome
Thats enough to keep the D honest, and more if it is really working, but that is not the Martz way.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 5, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
warm! blast!
i mean, nothing gets the heart pumping than mauling a few DT’s in the afternoon.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
Do we really want a Rabid Woody Hayes in charge
1 yard in a cloud of dust! grabbing players by the face masks (not necessarily our players) and glaring at reporters until they shut up. (after reading that back to myself if it started with 4 yards it would sound pretty good.)
How about these guys just go out and do their jobs for a change, that means all of them no excuses the O-line the D-line the receivers, JC, Forte & Taylor, how about Tillman not falling down. How about we get Lovie a smart challenge flag and get rid of the stupid ones he usually has.
How about we win 56-0 so that we can bitch about Lovie running up the score.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 5, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Wrecky wrecky...
…
get Lovie a smart challenge flag and get rid of the stupid ones he usually has.LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
nice one
surprised peanut hasn’t ended up on the injury report with broke ankles the way he keeps wiping/getting faked out. i mean really, someone needs to give him better cleats or something.
by reefermadness3 on Nov 5, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Wish I could rec more than once because I’m not sure which comment is better… the demand for a blowout W or the demand for Peanut to stop falling down.
I see what you did there
Israel Idonije gets to go see his “home and native land.” Hopefully the Bears offensive line will “stand on guard for thee” for Jay Cutler.
A nod to our Canadian neighbors.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 5, 2010 8:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What is this Canada of which you speak?
Some minor US territory to our north?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
With more area than the rest of the states combined.
We are pretty much part of the US still though.
Wow
88.6: Number of rushing yards per game by the Chicago Bears, good for 26th in the NFL.
188.7: Number of rushing yards per game allowed by the Bills, 34 yards worse than 31st ranked Denver
There’s a huge gap between the worst and the 26th ranked run defense in the league, unless there’s a mistake in this somewhere.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Never mind I found the errors in my ways
It’s late on a Friday, and I’m close to losing my mind!
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
No, they would still have eight more opportunities to crush your soul.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
So Jim Miller has some advice for Jay...
In his 15 on 6 segment, cute name isn’t it, Miller goes on at length about how the entire offensive issue is simply just Jay’s poor timing. After a while he continues to note the if Jay doesn’t play well, Caleb Hanie will “see the field”. Beyond my distaste for Jim’s misguided commentary that gives the worst O-line in history a seeming free pass, a WR corps that is still very green, and an OC that forgot how to call running plays, he forgets a crucial detail that we here at WCG know from Jeff Dickerson. Todd Collins is the #2 QB. For a guy who has a lot of venom for Jay (jealous much Jimmy?) he doesn’t have his facts straight. Time to get those concussions checked out Jimmy!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
But equally
… its not a case that Cutler has no fault at all and it is everybody elses.
Ultimately a great QB will acknowledge the weaknesses of their team mates and look to adjust themselves to mask them while taking advantage of their strengths.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
the days of Bart Starr and Johnny U calling their own plays are long over.
QB’s run the plays called from the sidelines. Martz system doesn’t have audibles it has check downs. He doesn’t have the option of checking down to a running play. On 7 step drops he rarely has time to check down to his 2nd option, on 5 step drops he rarely has time to check down to his 3rd option. He doesn’t have a line that will give him enough time, he doesn’t have a reliever who he can throw it up to and have them make a play on the ball. How many great QB’s can you name that played on crappy teams?
In 1986 Steve Young played for the lowly TB Bucs
8TD’s 13INTs 2282 yards RTG 65.5
Next year he was traded to SF and his passer RTG shot up 30 pts
It takes 11 guys to play offense, not one mastermind who can make chicken salad out of chicken crap.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
almost everyone in the press isn't
a fan of jay. haugh and dickerson did the waddle and silvy show yesterday and they were joking “good luck finding someone with a good experience with him.” gettign sick of hearign abotu how poor a leader and person is, then watch him play like shit on top of it.
They play the blame game
Look how they turned on Ditka even before his teams started losing. In chicago you don’t get to be a sports hero very long without someone looking to bring you down a peg. Remember the big bruha over Jordon’s $1000 bet on a put? He made 93 million $ that year that was like a $10 bet for me. Why don’t these guys do something useful with their lives like bring down all the crook politicians no that might mean less money they can rake in from airing/prints all their campaign mudslinging.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, blame game same as everyone else
except you disagree with who they are blaming. cutler can’t hold a candle to the guys you mentioned. no where near a hero.
If Steve Young had stayed in Tampa
He would have had a Cutler like career.
No doubt that Cutler can and should play better, but don’t expect him to carry the 10 other guys on offense on his back.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
and for the record I don't see Jordan & Ditka as hero's.
I never heard of either of them running into a burning building and carrying a child to safety or anything like that.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
62bears....
You act like Cutler has been in the league forever. He has not even been in the league 4 1/2 years. He is still considered a young QB.
scroll down
I do say he’s been in the league 4 1/2 years.
I also think he needs to step his game up and play smarter football. But I am not prepared to pin the offensive woes on him when he has 2nd rate recievers and a 3rd rate offensive line to work with.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Tracking...
All he needs is some well coached talent. Not All-PRO but, some well coached talent.
He need better than ALL-FAIL talent
He has a couple a decent RB’s, a TE that can catch but not block, a couple of #2 receivers and the worse pass or run blocking line in the league. On top of that he has an OC that wants to put the ball in the air 80% of the time even if it means sacrificing his QB and he is on track to be sacked over 90 times this season. Maybe Chicago is where QB’s go to die.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
3rd Rate Offensive Line?
WOW! You’re quite generous.
But I think the receivers are better than 2nd rate, they’re just young and inexperienced.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 7, 2010 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions
lets look at Jim Millers 6 year nfl career
36 TD’s 31 INT’s 6387 yds 75.2 RTG
now lets look at JC’s 4 1/2 year career
88TD’s 70 INT’s 14,173 yards 83.9 RTG
I’ll take JC over JM any day.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Miller was a 6th rounder
… and was never really given an extended run, so in that context his performance isn’t actually that bad.
As Cutler was a 1st round selection and has always been the man, you’d expect his performance to be streets ahead of Miller
Cutler’s performance should be compared with that of Ben Roethinsberger.
You can hardly say the likes of Marvin Smith and Max Starks are the elite LT that Cutler has had in Lepsis and Clady,
Roethinsberger 6 1/2 year career
132 TDs, 83INTs, 20056 yards 92.1 RTG
Cutler averages 15+ Interceptions a season even with pro-bowl receivers
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
I would indeed take Big Ben over Miller any day
Nice of you to point out how a QB can put up better numbers playing for a better team.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
just pointing out that if you want to make a genuine like for like comparison, Cutler doesn’t look so hot.
But there will always be apologists for his medicore play and will look to blame everyone except Cutler for it, even though many great even good QBs have had to play behind average lines and with average support and have actually succeeded.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
now your just being ridiculous
I think mediocre is the best you can expect anyone to play behind that line and with those receivers. I welcome a chance to see JC play behind an average line with average support.
There will always be people who want to place more blame on certain players than is realistically warranted. Just like a lot of people thought bring in JC last year would turn around a poor offense.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
As ridiculous as the homers
No-one actually answers how Cutler was still an interception machine in Denver despite an excellent OL and Pro Bowl receivers.
He must have been pretty stupid not to realise the situation he was entering in Chicago … either that or be lazy happy to take the cash.
1. He knew the existing situation
2. He knew that giving up two 1sts and a 3rd meant we could expect to draft help
3. He should have known that because of it being an uncapped year, most UFAs would no longer be UFAs and be tagged at a level where we had nothing to offer.
His solution is to continually throw it down the throat of a CB who owned him on a Sunday.
It has to be asked: can you get a – minus score on the Wonderlic?
John Elway for many years in Denver had a shabby line and little receiving help, certainly until they traded for Zimmerman.
I guess to have a so-called franchise player actually behave and play like a franchise player is too much to ask.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Elway...
Lets not make a comparison of Elway and Cutler. Elway did not become great until later in his career with talent. As I recall, he used to put up a lot of interceptions. I can recall at least four seasons that he had more interceptions than TD’s. Google, John Elway Stats and you will see. Just give Jay some time and he will make us proud, just like Shanahan said.
Elway was always a great
You are measuring Elway’s greatness by the rings he won,
He’d have been a great even if he hadn’t ever won the SuperBowl, because he often would carry a limited offensive team with no running game ON HIS BACK, into the Championship game if not the SuperBowl.
Anyone who ever saw his 2 TDs in the last 2 minutes drives against Cleveland, under Dan Reeves would never question his greatness.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Elways 1st 5 years 85TD passes 77 INT's and no rings
were you calling for his blood halfway thru that 5th season?
were you suggesting his coach be fired so that he could bring in his own QB and wondering what draft picks they could get for him.
did you suggest he would make a negative score on an IQ test?
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 7, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
what's the next step passed ridiculous?
Cutler didn’t trade himself to Chicago.
Cutler doesn’t have control over what UFA’s the Bears pursue.
here are Jerry’s 1st round picks
2002 Marc Colombo
2003 Michael Haynes
2003 Rex Grossman
2004 Tommie Harris
2005 Cedric Bensen
2006 None
2007 Greg Olsen
2008 Chris Williams
I’d trade any two of those guys for Cutler any day.
your crusade to vilify Cutler at this site smacks of obsession not objectivity.
and its not enough for you to criticize his play you don’t like how he behaves? You mentioned Ben Roethinsberger do you like how he behaves?
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't twist what I've said
Cutler did not have to accept the trade to Chicago. He could have threatened to pull a Jake Plummer.
I never said he had control over who we pursued.
WHAT I SAID, was that Cutler would/should have known how weak the UFA market was and realised that the Management would have little opportunity to bring in help.
The draft picks we gave up for Cutler, meant we couldn’t even trade them for help
WHAT I AM SAYING is that Cutler knew the position he was going into yet he is still playing as if he is playing in Denver with top receivers like Marshall and Royal.
And fans can easily see his behaviour when he is on the sidelines. Is he inspiring his team-mates to greater efforts? No he is sulking on his own.
It would brilliant if Cutler was to turn into an elite QB, but at a certain point time will run out, and trying to suggest that none of it is Cutler’s fault at all and he is completely blameless is also beyond ridiculousness.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Your obsession is beginning to make me think that you’re secretly a Denver fan who can’t let go. Seriously, it’s not healthy.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Black-Sheep....
Royal was a rookie when Jay was there. Seriously, you hate the guy, I know, we all know. However, Jay has been a professional since he has been here. He does not sulk on the sidelines. He looks over plays and photos. At times I see him talking to his line and WR.
I don't hate the guy
but I am fairly fed up of hearing the constant avoidance of any blame being put at Cutler’s doorstep.
I am neutral. I would like him to be a great success, but if he doesn’t pull his finger out and a new management team want to go in a different direction, I don’t think it will be the end of the world. Some fans have made a comparison with Jeff George which I think is WRONG. Equally though he has not performed to the point where he should be considered irreplacable.
The offensive line has been poor but it is full of young players who have been messed around positionally.
The receivers have been poor but it is full of young players who are having to learn a difficult new system
But it has also been Cutler who being in that system seems to have reverted to type far too often.
At a certain point it is down to accountability, and Cutler has to face his share of it …. his play at QB could make it easier on the OL learning a new system, his play at QB could make it easier on young receivers who are 7ft tall
yet it seems a number of fans try to heap the blame elsewhere to the point it sounds like excuses are bing made for Cutler.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
even though many great even good QBs have had to play behind average lines
I suspect Jay would kill for something as good as an average line.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
didn't miller play behind a first rounder Cade McNown
and he started more games for the Bears than JC has so far.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay played for...
a little over 2 seasons in Denver with the “probowl” WRs. Those pro-bowl WRs are Marshall and who again? More importantly, did they become pro-bowl WRs with some other QB throwing to them? Doesn’t Big Ben play for a run first, defense second, pass third team? If you like Big Ben so much, then go over to the Steelers site and annoy them for a change. Maybe you can convince them to trade for Cutler!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Last time I checked.....
B. Marshall is not doing so hot over in Miami.
Easy there. You need to step back and ease down.
Cutler did have Marshall in Denver who is hands down better than anything we can put on the field. I think you can probably agree with that. Secondly, why does Jay get so many people defending him on here? If he were playing great there would be no need to defend him. Right? Is it all his fault? No. Should we have high expectations given what we gave up to get tim? Your call. But you made one statement that forced me to reply.
Doesn’t Big Ben play for a run first, defense second, pass third team?
No. No he does not. When “Big Ben” is playing they pass way more than they run. To the point that it probably hurts their offense. Pittsburgh has been pass happy for several seasons now. It is their reputation that they are run first, not their reality. And their offense has carried the D in several games. And to Mandingo54 below as a pre-emptive reply. He’s doing as good or better than what we have in a completely new offense.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
look on the bright side
Orton will likely be available next season, if we can get him back we can cut Cutler and forget about him entirely like it was all a bad dream.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Why cut him?
With McNabb a UFA at the end of the season, and clearly not happy in Washington, it is quite possible that Snyder will do what he did with Jason Taylor and make no attempt to resign him despite giving up a R2 pick.
What is possible is that Mike Shanahan, who has complete control over footballing operations, will persuade Snyder and Cutler that he can repeat the glory years of Denver and would be prepared to offer a R1 pick (and maybe a R2 in 2012) for Cutler.
At this point, the management will have a big decision to make, especially if it is a new team
After all Cutler was a decision made by Angelo and what quicker way is there to disassociate yourself from them, than to move out some of their bigger decisions, as often happens when a new staff comes in.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
You don't understand sarcasm do you?...
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
as evidenced by the comment.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Dave...
while i take your point about “defending” Jay, I think you are misinterpreting my point. I think Cutler has played badly from the Giants game onward and I’ve said so repeatedly. He does need to live up to the franchise QB tag that is his to carry. However, I a disagree with Mr. BS (that’s black sheep) that Cutler is some sort of abject failure in the NFL. He did run the #2 offense the year prior to being traded to the Bears and BS portrays it like he was Craig Krenzel. Cutler playing better alone will not make the O-line suck any less or the WRs catch the ball that hits them in the hands or the RBs hit the hole or Martz to run the ball more. That is all I am saying. Mr. BS has a vendetta against Cutler and he likes to use this site to air those grievances; not really sure why.
Now one point I have to make in response to you (and what prompted me to reply at all) is your comment:
And their offense has carried the D in several games.
That’s a stretch and I’d even be willing to venture the opposite is far more true. The Steelers defense has been ranked in the top five every season since 2007.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Fair enough.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Twisted words ... again
Once again you’ve deliberately tried to twist my words.
I have NEVER said Cutler is an abject failure in the NFL. What I have criticised is the fact he has failed to adapt to the new reality he finds himself in, and is as equally culpable as the receivers and offensive line.
I have never compared him to the likes of inferior players – what I have done, unlike you is tried to compare him to similar players i.e. players taken at similar points in the draft
Again this infantile and feeble attempt you’ve continued to make suggesting I have a vendetta against Cutler is equally weak.
I have not once said it was Cutler’s fault. I have said he has as much responsibility as an essentially inexperienced OL and an inexperienced WR and therefore he should be held as accountable as others.
The OL have no control over how long Cutler holds onto the ball and the lack of speed he shows in getting rid of it. The WR have no control over where Cutler throws the ball, and how high over their heads.
Why should they take the blame for Cutler’s weaknesses in this area.
Accountability should be shared by all involved.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
A fact for you
I have written a fanpost saying MIKE HEIMERDINGER should be our next coach
Not because of the good work he’s done with Vince Young
Because of the work he did with JAY CUTLER in Denver.
Please explain how I can hate and have a vendetta against Cutler if I am suggesting bringing in the one guy who might actually help Cutler get better rather than jump on bandwagon’s like calling for Cowher.
Clearly you won’t have anything to say about that.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
I tend to ignore morons...
but your stupidity rises to unmatched levels not seen since the haightmenow guy was here. You need to go away!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
So ,,,,
because you cannot provide an adequate response when I’ve disproved your false claim that somehow I hate and have a vendetta against Cutler, I need to go away. Pathetic
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
You are the guy who lacks a sense of humor...
pathetic squared!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Lacking a sense of humour
Maybe you should say something funny … that to call someone a moron and stupid because they have a different opinion than yours and try to then misquote someone to bolster your position means people laugh AT you, rather than with you.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
You've proven...
that you cannot recognize humor. So in a final attempt to get your attention and have you actually read what I have written, I called you out. Instead of responding to any of the questions I posed to you, you go off on another tangent and avoid the subject at hand. Football is a team sport and NO player, no matter how great, EVER won a game by himself; no matter how many fantasy football points he gets you. If you don’t like the things we say to you, then find another place to post. It’s one thing to say outlandish things or be deliberately obtuse, but when you lack a sense of humor about yourself you come off as defensive and maniacal. Feel free to throw whatever else you want my way, I’m simply done dealing with you.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Called me out?
More the reverse. And I can certainly recognise humour.
I called you out for deliberately seeking to suggest Cutler is completely blameless and therefore everyone else be at fault.
Glad you’ve finally recognised that football is a team sport
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Stopping your love-in with Cutler
Maybe you could stop your elite homerism for Jay and actually acknowledge alongside a growing number of professional observers that Cutler should at least shoulder some of the blame for the poor offensive game.
He does have a less than effective line, and his young receivers aren’t helping but does this mean he should be given cart blanche to throw interceptions, hold onto the ball to long, continue to target a CB who is owning him on the day et etc etc?,
You critisise Miller. Have you ever taken a snap in the NFL? Are Trent Green and Kurt Warner also wrong because they don’t agree with you? Are you saying that Marshall and Eddie Royal are inferior to our current WR, or that Matt Lepsis or Ryan Clady are inferior to Omiyale at LT?
Your comments about my liking Big Ben is purely infantile. I was providing an example of another QB drafted at No11 in the first round, not trying to suggest that Cutler is at least a better QB than someone taken in the 6th round.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
I'm not sure why you post here...
but please start reading what I have written and stop taking my comments out of context. Cutler has to play better, but he is NOT the SOLE reason the offense is struggling. Why is that so hard for your non-infantile brain to figure out? You and I disagree, that’s all. I am not defending Cutler’s performance here or in Denver. We simply see this differently. You want to throw out insults, but the first time someone disagrees with you or takes an opposing viewpoint you complain to the site managers or take your posts down. Grow up!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Big Ben and infantile comments
“If you like Big Ben so much, then go over to the Steelers site and annoy them for a change”
This is the infantile comment I was referring to.
You tried to compare Cutler with a 6th round pick. I tried to compare him with someone taken at the exact point No11 in different drafts.
I never once said I liked Ben Roethinsberger, who I don’t – as a person I actually think Cutler is head and shoulders above him as an individual. I was referring to the feeble attempt to suggest I like Roethinsberger simply because I was drawing a valid comparison.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
i guess a lot of former players are jealous then
like rodney harrison, plummer, irvin. i’m sure there’s no merit to it.
If I find 3 guys to say Hitler was a swell guy will that prove anything?
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
its more than 3 bud.
pulling the most extreme example doesn’t validate anything.
right
former players, teammates, beat writers and the team originally drafted him all question his leadership and what’s between his ears, but it soesn’t mean anything. they’re all jealous of the guy who’s never won on any level. sure.
you want to let espn do your thinking for you thats fine by me
you want to jump on the crucify cutler band wagon go ahead, all we need is someone else behind center. Good luck with that.
by 62bearsthe best on Nov 6, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I foresee
Bears coming out, in the first quarter out first three possessions split 3 passes, 10 runs. We’ll be up 14-0. In the second quarter, the Bills will find some life. With the score 14-3, Martz will then turn his ratio to 35 passes to 3 runs the rest of the game and Lovie and him will claim “It was a close game.”
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Nov 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
Im looking for Hester to take one to the house this Sunday.
by Dominique Blanton on Nov 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
WR not practicing breaking up passes...
I read an article on Johnny Knox at ESPN that as receivers they do not practice defending against int’s and going up for the ball. What the hell is the position coach teaching theses guys? He needs to be fired immediately. That is total BS. You are taught this stuff in High School.
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