Thoughts From NFL Week 9: Chicago Bears and Beyond
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 8, 2010 3:00 PM CST
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PrintAnother Sunday with not much live football watched. There's nothing worse than DVRing the Bears game only to find out the results before I get a chance to sit down and watch it. Actually... finding out they won is way better than finding out they lost. Knowing they lost and sitting through a game is a couple hours of negative blah.
Now I finally have a chance to watch some live football and I'm blessed with the craptastic Cowboys wasting my time against the Packers. Someone on the Cowboys needs to be fired. (UPDATE: Wade Phillips is out, and Jason Garrett is promoted) On to some thoughts...
1) Talk about being prepared, Eagles head coach Andy Reid is 12-0 following a bye.
2) Staying with that game; Can the Colts just throw anyone in at WR and have them succeed? Jacob Tamme in the last two weeks has 2 TD, 172 yards, and 17 catches.
3) Say what you want, but Brett Favre is a magical player.
4) The New York Giants are the best team in the NFC.
5) I wondered why I saw more than a few NFL "experts" pick the Browns over New England... I guess sometimes a few of the experts actually know what they are talking about. I never could have predicted that Cleveland win.
6) I guess since I was buying the Chiefs as being legit contenders, I now have to think the Raiders are for real.
7) The Chargers had to love the 2nd place Raiders knocking off the 1st place Chiefs. San Diego is starting their usual surge with their second win in a row, and at 4-5 they are in the AFC West race.
8) Is there a QB controversy in Carolina? Does it matter?
9) Ugh... the Cowboys are brutal.
10) Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick is a player. Buffalo may be 0-8, but their fans have to be a little excited with that guy under center.
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Hmm.
3) Say what you want, but Brett Favre is a magical player.
This thread should be interesting… pulls up a front row seat
I've grown to appreciate him more...
Since he is no longer a Packer!!!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Nov 8, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers
makes Brent Favre look like Jay Cutler.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
But not
rex grossman with 13 INTs? ……Oh sorry forgot Cutler = grossman….Nevermind….
That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But I realized it was loathing.
-Mike Martz describes his feelings on running the football
i'd say chaotic
With him in the game, total catastrophe and unbelievable comeback are both possible outcomes.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Nov 8, 2010 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey , I love my ....
…. Lucky Charms cereal too because its magically delicious but ya know what after a while its goes stale just like Brett Favre .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 8, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
He is an amazing player
Sure, he is a gigantic pain in the ass. But there is no denying that he is one of the best to ever play the game.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
His game is similar to Cutler's
Basically high risk, high reward. The difference being at this stage in his career, he’s generally able to play under control.
Magical drama queen
who sprinkles his heroic injuries across the NFL ruining the careers of coaches and harassing women in states across the nation. Plus he’s a dick. And he molests goats. And I hate him and everything he stands for. But other than that he’s special.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell...
don’t feel too bad for them.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
I thought it was the pigs that went to hell.
At least according to the Cake song.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
You got the Cake part right
Sheep go to heaven
Goats go to hell
Sheep go to heaven
Goats… go to hell
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Now we're entering the way back machine.....
good call.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Favre is "Craptastic"
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys
game last night was such a joke. I hate the Cowboys so much, but I’d really hoped they could at least make Green Bay work for it. I was running out of swear words by the end of the first quarter!
Although, honestly, the worst part remains listening to Cris Collinsworth.
Just gives us reason
to hate the Cowboys just a little more.
I did like Collinsworth’s suggestion that Jerry Jones should jump.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Same here
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Well if you throw it into triple coverage so much
You are bound to get lucky once in a while, other times, it is not Detroit.
Lovie Smith actually being honest for the first time ever
Somebody mark this one down in Bears history….
The Bears are 5-3, a half-game behind the idle Green Bay Packers (6-3). But Bears coach Lovie Smith sometimes gets the feeling his team is far worse off.
“We’re 5-3 right now, and a lot of times it seems like we’re 2-6 or something like that,” Smith said.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I saw that earlier, and it made me scratch my head.
Did anyone see the presser when he said this? If so, what was the context?
I could almost see him saying that in response to the doomsayers in the media… like “Why are you all being so negative? It almost feels like (from you guys) that we’re 2-6 or something.”
Could be wrong though; maybe he really meant it literally.
Highly doubt it
He’s an eternal optimist to his deathbed.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
670 B&B picked up on that too
And it seems to be as you describe.
by Steven Schweickert on Nov 9, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
I hated what Vick did with the dogs
But it is nice to see him revive his career and try to turn his life around. The guy is having an incredible season right now, and he is finally living up to all of the expectations that he had when he was drafted.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
He got what he deserves and now it's time to move on
Vick got a harher penalty than most athletes and now it IS nice to see him doing well. I don’t like what he did to animals either—not one bit.
by Stellarpete22 on Nov 8, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Which is still much less than what 'normal' people receive.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 9, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with ya Oripunk .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 8, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Seconded
Nobody really knows if he’s turned his life around, only the pieces we see in public. He’s either learned a lesson and moved on, or learned a different lesson and covers his tracks.
Personally, I laughed when he got sandwiched and hurt. I know that a terrible thing, but I can’t respect him or forgive him.
I thought he might have separated his dog drowning shoulder.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
It's funny but Stallworth was drinking and driving and killed a man.
And no one even talks about that, just find it funny is all.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 8, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
And turned himself in and didn't lie and contrive stories or refuse to accept responsibility.
Not a fan of drunk driving but at least Stallworth seemed to acknowledge his screw up and face the music.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
We have murderers and rapists playing in the NFL
And Vick had to spend time behind bars for dog fighting… when you compare the behaviors of athletes, it’s ridiculous.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
It's because
no one really cares about a murder of an unknown person, but an unknown dog for some reason elicits anger to dog owners everywhere.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
No it is because what he did was illegal
He knew it was illegal. He funded it illegally. He got caught doing it illegally. Lied about doing it illegally to his team owner and the league commissioner about it. and only when he realized he was screwed admitted to it. Name a convicted murder or rapist playing in the NFL. Name a convicted criminal playing in the NFL. Many. But the one with the worst criminal record/excuse…. Vick. You don’t know people who have ever had one (and I do mean one too many) and drove? You hate them all? Really? Poor judgement does not equal MURDER. Vick should have lost his job and never been given it back. It is what would have happened to me under the exact same circumstances. Probably you too.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I'm not comparing the two
One action was done out of greed and street culture, and the other was just bad judgement. What I’m saying is that people cared about dogs dying, not Vick breaking the law or lying about it.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
I like animals too
But I can forgive. He does seem genuine so far.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
he also went to jail for a while
again, not to condone what he did, but people need to get off their high horses about this. people do far worse things (see: Capitol Hill, Wall Street, etc.) to many more people and get praised and/or bonuses for it. what vick did was horribly wrong, but he did pay a pretty steep price for it, and does seem to be a changed person from the incident. honestly, vick is not america’s moral barometer. if he is, we’re in trouble.
by guy incognito on Nov 9, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Good for you. Forgiveness is a good thing.
If God can forgive somebody for the most terribad things imaginable why can’t we? Lot’s of glass houses in the WCG community. We need to look at Vick playing football as an ex-con doing his job well and that’s it. But this is a football thread so Eff the Vikings, Eff Brent and Eff Jared Allens old mullet.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
I Think Stafford Could be a legit QB
If only he could stay healthy! The poor guy gets knocked around all the time and always lands on his shoulders. He’s on pace for a Chad Pennington-type career. I hope for his sake (and the young Lions team) he can get healthy. I know they’re a division rival, but they’re kind of fun to watch.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
Living in New England myself...
it is fun to see the fan base turn on the Patriots after the Cleveland implosion. Chicken Little has nothing on the Boston fan base! Adam Shefter was on the Boston sports radio last week and predicted the Cleveland win and the hosts laughed him off the air and continued to mock him for a few minutes afterward. They were singing a different tune this week. Nothing short of perfection is tolerated in NE. They have no appreciation for what a stable franchise they have.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
The culture of that team starts at the top (Robert Kraft)
and trickles all the way down through the management, coaching staff, and to the fanbase. That culture is one of excellence, and having that culture has created one of the most successful teams in NFL history.
Of course, non-NE fans hold the Pats in contempt, which is no surprise. It’s lonely at the top.
It makes it difficult to live here...
knowing the Bears ownership seems to miss that whole “excellence” thing.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Ticket sales despite not winning the big one since 1985? “Excellent!”
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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Spongie...
Release the hounds!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE (IT'S BACK BABY!)!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
Home Field Advantage???
Bears are at home against the Vikings and need to rebound with regaining the home field advantage. Losing 2 home games in a row that we should have won, the Bears need to come out with a bada$$ attitude and play like they know how to play. The Vikings haven’t won on the road and are 0-4 this year—let’s keep it that way. Bear down!!!
Yea we gotta keep up with the Pack too !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 8, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly--we most likely won't have the luxury of a Wild Card spot
by Stellarpete22 on Nov 8, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know the other NFC divisions ....
… aren’t exactly setting the world on fire . The wild card is very much within reach . We win 4 or 5 more were in !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 8, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
We win 4 or 5 more and we hopefully win the division
I don’t want to take chances on the Wild Card.
by Stellarpete22 on Nov 8, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
As long as we make it who cares !!!
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 8, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Since we are speaking of statistics ...
Do you realize that the four teams we played on the road are ALL at the tops of their respective divisions right now. That each of those teams have six wins right now?
Sometimes you lose road games when you play really good teams.
it happens...
One time while a young lad, someone made fun of the Ditka name. One time.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 9, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Wild Card is what i was hoping for the whole offseason
I really feel the pack has the div. one way or the other.
With so much parity in the nfc the wild card seems fair for the bears.
Then again we lost to some teams that can make the wild card so that could be a bad tiebreaker.
I still wish we were 6-2, I could see us losing a game but those two back 2 back loses absolutely sucked.
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting." - George Orwell
The Minny game next week is huge
We would be undefeated in the division. We absolutely must win the game next week or it could be a downward spiral. As far as wild card..i am pretty sure two teams in the NFC east are going to the playoffs and it looks like 2 teams from the south, that could be both wild card slots right there, we need to win the division it think.
Agreed
I don’t usually put a game on the shoulders of one player, but Julius Peppers needs to have a stellar game against the Vikings and if he lays the wood on Favre on a regular basis, we win that game.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Seconded
Both of our lines will have to play at top level. As much as I can’t stand that cattle roping hick Jared Allen, we have to find a way to slow down their pass rush or it’ll be a long day.
slowing down the pass rush
1. we must establish the run first, and the O line must be run blocking mouth smashers
2. Cutler must take a page out of how he played against the Bills – tuck the ball and run for yardage when necessary, and throw on the run when he has a legit target.
Both of the above will slow down the pass rush, among other things.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
In addition
It loosens up coverage, so things will open up down the field. No more dropping 8 men into coverage.
"Wish the opposite sex operated like NFL redzone does. Just let me know when I’m about to score, otherwise, don’t bother me." - Jenn Sterger
Peppers had a great game against us last year.
And I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried he’ll do the same again this year.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Nov 8, 2010 9:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You sir, are lying. Over all. Not specifically about Peppers.
If I were you I’d consider this one in the bag. But only as an optimist. As someone more pragmatic, you have more to prove than we do by record alone. I think this one comes down to who wants it more. That comes back to coaching and team leadership. We barely get the nod on coaching. You have the goat molesting Favre as a team leader and we have…. (a pouting) perceived)) Jay Cutler? Even if we have leaders on D we have nothing on O. That makes this a toss up.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
much like the Cubs fan expects the worst.
So does the Vikings fan. We’ve suffered two gut punches in the past 12 years, and that’s not even bringing up our 0 – 4 record on the Super Bowl. There’s a whole lot of pessimism beneath the surface of any Vikes fan.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
by Robert Rence on Nov 9, 2010 7:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah the life of a Cubs fan is tough
100+ years of mediocrity will do that too you. Moving on to Sunday I hope we kick the Vikings ass so I can hear Chilly and Brent cry and also to see what David does to your Avatar.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
Nah, it's a sig change this time.
Vikes lose and mine changes to a crack on how the Vikes are willing to hire Packers. Bears lose and it’s a crack on how Bears “duds” do much better after leaving the team.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
you talking about Berrian?
Bears lose and it’s a crack on how Bears "duds" do much better after leaving the team.
I am not convinced Berrian will kill us Sunday..i am however deathly afraid of AP. It seems he has a big game against us everytime..i think it has been only one game he rushed under 100 on us? Pretty sure it’s at least 1 but every other time he has career days against us. That TE ya’ll have too is pretty much the best in the division, even better than than Jermichael.
As far as running the ball, it is not easy to run on you guys unless you are built for it like the Dolphins..they run over anyone. I would like to see a lot of underneath and screen passes as an extension of the running game, i think that might work better then running into that front 4 all day.
And one question i am just dying to ask a vikings fan. Does it frustrate you that it seems the coach or Brett, whoever is calling the plays look like they abandon the running game. If i was a coach and had a home run hitter like AP i would not joking, run him at least 22-25 times every game. Last game albeit in a win, 15 rushes for 81 yards. Imagine what he would do with 8-10 more touches.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 9, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Hardly Berrian
See Kyle Orton, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson.
And it’s not just the lack of AP usage that’s frustrating, it’s the lack of how they use him. Last week was his first receiving touchdown since his first season. Rarely do we see a split back backfield, or a screen pass to AP. While he averaged over 5 yards a carry last week, he averaged over 15 yards per reception, most of which were caught in the backfield. Freakin Childress and his blind adherence to a system. Work to the strengths of your players, idiot.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
by Robert Rence on Nov 9, 2010 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
O.K, makes perfect sense
Maybe you guys need to pick up steam on the Fire Chilly campaign..granted it hasn’t worked for us and Lovie..so far.
by Chitownproduct on Nov 9, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ah I see.
Well I still look forward to it.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Nov 9, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
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