Patriots at Bears Quick Recap
by Kev H on Dec 12, 2010 6:25 PM CST
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The Chicago Bears lost to the New England Patriots 36-7.
They maintain their one game lead in the NFC North, with three games left to play.
It was an ugly game all around for the Bears, who allowed Tom Brady and the Patriots the ability to put on a clinic at snow-covered Soldier Field. The lone bright spot, really, was some pretty solid kick returning by Hester and Manning.
Check out some quick stats after the jump, and feel free to recuperate here for the evening. We'll start doing more analysis and try to figure out where the Bears will play the Vikings tomorrow.
Passing:
Tom Brady - 27/40, 369 yards, 2TD
Jay Cutler - 12/26, 152 yards, 2INT
Rushing:
B. Green-Ellis 21 attempts, 87 yards
D. Woodhead 7 attempts, 21 yards, TD
Matt Forte - 9 Attempts, 25 yards
Chester Taylor - 3 attempts, 1 yard, TD
Receiving
Deion Branch - 8 rec, 151 yards, TD
Wes Welker - 8 rec, 115 yards
Earl Bennett - 3 rec, 53 yards
Matt Forte 2 rec, 36 yards
Oh, and the Bears got three sacks on Brady, and only gave up two sacks to the Patriots. So that's it.
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The only silver lining to this debacle...
it should put a stop to the “give Lovie a contract extension” talk for a week.
by BearFan611 on Dec 12, 2010 6:28 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Amen and testify!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Might I suggest...
they fore Lovie and hope for the inevitable “new coach” winning streak. My god, Lovie sucks ass at getting his troops ready for a big game!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
by LostInSTL on Dec 12, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They should fore him.
If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?
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Either way...
can we rid ourselves of the Lovie “preparedness”. It NEVER works!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Talk about the ultimate debbie-downer
Every single comment by you on this thread has been scathing of the Bears. It is one game. Take it in stride and dont over react. We got brought back to reality by the BEST TEAM IN THE NFL. Alot needs to be corrected, but there were a multitude of factors that played into our loss.
Ultimately, the players are the ones on the field, not lovie. The players(and their position coaches) should have done their part to get prepared for this game as well. All the blame should not fall on lovie
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Hello Patriotbball,
let me introduce you to LostinSTL, Negative Nancy and Debbie Downer of WCG.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Hey....
I resemble that remark!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Yes you do.
Very strongly, might I add.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
When I bring the weakness...
call me out on it! I am so damn pissed off. Not because they lost, but because they put up nothing to be proud of!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
It was embarrasing
And obviously, we didn’t look at all prepared. So, people can defend Lovie and blame the players. But the bottom line is – Belicheck had his team prepared, and Lovie didn’t.
On a side note, Brady continues to show that he is the best “winter weather” quarterback in football. As a matter of fact, Brady and the Patriots looked far more comfortable and better prepared to play in “Bear football” then we did.
lovie's preparation is just fine
it’s his stone aged scheme which doesn’t work any longer.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
No, his prep sucks.
The scheme is used all across the league with success. Most schemes in the league are old and figured out. It’s execution and prep that win or lose, and both failed tonight. The coaching staff didn’t have the players prepared, and the players executed like crap.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
The problem being that it was a cold weather QB..
and a cold weather team. Also, the Pats are very familiar with the format of the Tampa 2 and it’s holes and the offense, for once, was kinda designed to exploit it. I don’t think anyone was expecting the O-Line for the Pats to show up like it did though.
every team knows how to beat every defense
they jsut have to do it.
lovie’s d (like all of them) is screwed with out pressure. and when they don’t get pressure with the front four, the wheels fall off.
Lovie's ability to adjust is what "sucks".
Sure there are other teams that use the cover 2, but the good teams know when to use it. Urlacher’s ability is wasted out there by it. Brady must have tricked Brian 5-10 times with his eyes, which took him out of position.
We should have sent the house at Brady, since he has one of the best o-lines in the game. Lovie never makes the opposing coach guess. He says, “this is what we are, beat us” and when we do get our heads knocked around you can’t be surprised.
I just don’t see how preparation has anything to do with it, lovie has been preparing these same guys since 2004.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
You act as if the Bears use cover 2 on every play....
In fact, they don’t even use it half the time. And Urlacher, Peppers, and every other player out there has been wasted since ’06.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
You act as if the Bears use cover 2 on every play….
With the exception of a handful of blitzes, they do. I’m sorry, the last play of the first half had nothing to do with preparation. The players didn’t want it as bad.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, we're almost all cover 2 this year
unlike previous years.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
unlike?
Not sure if you are agreeing with me or being sarcastic… I thought the cover 2 vs blitz battle was the demise of Rivera?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Rivera like sthe Cover 2 shell
and he blitzed out of the cover 2 often. You’re commenting as if the Bears either play blitz or play cover 2. They play cover 1, they play cover 3. They play a lot of nickel and even some quarters a the end of tighter games. And they blitz out of every one of theose packages.
Cover 2 and blitzing are not mutually exclusive.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously, they don’t run cover 2 on EVERY down but that is their primary defense. When they are getting burned, they are typically in a cover 2 or a zone blitz with a missed assignment.
As far as blitzing out of the cover 2, it is my understanding that you are not in a cover 2, but a zone blitz disguised as a cover 2.
I don’t study film so I am not claiming to be an expert by any means. So constructive criticism is welcomed.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda figured that.
Cover two is just a shell. You drop 2 safeties into deep coverage to prevent the big play. From that shell, you can blitz. You can blitz from any shell.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I know what the cover 2 is and how it works.
Blitzing out of the cover 2 would be a disguised blitz, thus a zone blitz with different assignments.
I understand you can blitz out of a cover 2 look, but it would not be a cover 2 blitz, it would be a zone blitz.
I guess what I am saying is, it is foolish to blitz in a cover 2 look because someone will be out of position and have to make up the lost ground.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hold on, hold on...
If you… Have Two Safeties Deep… That’s all that’s required for it to be GASP A COVER TWO?
Amazing eh?
Blitzing from the nickel spot did what? Got the Bears burnt twice. It wasn’t the pressure necessarily, but lack of execution… Denying the run destroyed the Bears, it seemed like every run was a YPC monster because the line couldn’t contain the gap, and the linemen moved too fast, and were frankly brutal to the dline.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 12, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, okay.
Thanks for proving my point. Blitzing from the nickle is spot is not all that creative. Especially when your line is getting blown off the ball. BTW I am bashing the cover 2 zone and the tampa 2 where as t-train explained, is really a cover 3.
I am in favor of a new philosophy.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Because it doesn't work?
Tell me how. Please.
It really wouldn’t matter, we do blitz from pretty much everywhere at different times.
Kurt Warner said sometime a few weeks ago he’d get irritated with martz for using too much max protects, and that he’d rather have a few more receivers on the field to make plays. It’s the exact same thing, in reverse. You bring too much pressure, they’re going to beat you with quick strikes?
Remember the past few weeks when teams were showing blitz, you’d exploit them with a one step quick read?
This is why we drop 7. 75% of the games we’ve gotten decent pressure from the D-Line alone, not great sometimes, but enough to force a clock on the QB. Dropping seven reduces the responsibility of zones, decreases gap sizes.
Really, you’re asking our corners to play a lot more man? What about our safeties? What would they do. What about the LB’s, what would their coverage responsibilities be primarily? You’re in favor of a new philosophy, but all philosophies have weaknesses, even if you do have the personnel.
Cue the Steelers.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 13, 2010 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Brady's had a passer-rating of 140 against blitzing DBs on the year
He spots them quickly pre-snap and throws to Welker or Branch in the hole after audibling to a slant or whatever.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
this year = mostly cover 2
the past few seasons, a lot more cover 1 and blitzing (largely because our overrated d-line [cough…harris…cough] couldn’t generate a pass rush). this year, with peppers and izzy, we almost always just rush 4 and drop back into cover 2.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
They pull Danieal Manning up often into run protection.
not sometimes, but often. We still play a ton of cover 1 this year, and quite a bit of cover 3 out of the nickel.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Basically, I am tired of this cover 2 crap
unless they want to run it sparingly.
Tommy Harris never became Warren Sapp
Mike Brown never became John Lynch
Urlacher can’t do it all.
Scrap it, move on.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Sky is falling!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Is it lovie's fault the guys didn't show up today?
Possibly. Is it lovie’s fault that it snowed and his d-line was getting blown off the ball? No. Was it his fault when he failed to adjust immediately? Definitely.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
They knew the weather conditions.....
So failing to prepare for that, as the Pats obviously did, would fall on Prep.
And it isn’t entirely Smiths fault that the players didn’t show up. Falls on the players and the rest of the Coaching staff, as well. But this has been a consistent problem, especially on defense since Rivera left. Eventually people are going to have to stop blaming everyone but smith and start blaming the only constant factor through that time.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
I am not a big fan of lovie by any means… He gave away a superbowl.
My problem with lovie is that he doesn’t put his players in the best position to succeed, I guess that rings true for most Chicago teams though…
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'd actually give that that credit to Ron Turner.
Rex may have thrown the ball, but Turner didn’t seem to notice Indy’s adjustments once Indy figured out that if they brought the heat and covered the relief valves (TJ and Dez Clark) that Turner would panic and call his “go to” deep plays and Grossman, being a gunslinger, would chuck it rather than take a sack if Jones and Clark were covered.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 13, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
T...
The defence hasn’t played pretty consistent the entire season? Save the bad first half in Detroit last week, I’m having trouble remembering being truly outmatched by a teams offence.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 12, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, we haven't.
Bears run a lot of Cover 2 on 3rd downs, but they play a lot of Cover 1 and cover 3 as well. Not just on a handful of plays.
And by the time the last play happened, they were already beat. The Bears were Beat before they ever stepped on the field and that had everything to do with preperation.
Prep wasn’t the only problem, but it was a huge factor, as it has been all season, hence the slow starts..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Pats only scored 3 in the second half...
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
because the bears did something to make them stop?
LOL
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe?
Pats have scored most of their points this year in the second half (at least, since Moss left). This is the first time they haven’t in a while.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Pats let up, no question in my mind.
Those guys did whatever the hell they wanted, won the game in the first half. Brady felt the warmth of the locker room during half time and told the boys “lets make this quick”.
If it was a conference, or division opponent, no way they let up. The game was won, pull brady, get the hell out of those conditions healthy. IMO
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Might've been a tip of the cap to Lovie Smith
Belichick seems to do that for some coaches.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
this was probably a factor as well...
lovie is no rex ryan…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
bring the house?
How did that work out for the Jets?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
its not new
to question Lovie’s preparedness. people have justifiably been doing since steve smith went for over 200 with not adjustment in 05.
i think many of us don’t see lovie out schemeing anyone.
I realize it is not knew..
..and at times I question what he does. But to squarly put the blame on lovie for the debacle would be wrong. Sure, the head coach is the head man on the sidelines, but all 53 players, and X-amount of coaches that are employed by the bears also need to do their job to make a successful team up. Not just one man(lovie).
Also, we got outcoached by Bill Belicheck, oh like that has never been done before…! The partriots are the best coached, prepared, and mentally tough team in the game, what else did you expect? I give them more props for coming in and executing their gameplan to perfection than I give the Bears for screwing up whatever gameplan they had prepared going into it
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
We’ve changed around assistants and players; at some point the responsibility has to lie with that which has remained unchanged.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
by Spongie on Dec 12, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I am a Lovie apologist
And im gonna pull out a “lovie-ism”…he has gotten us to 9-4, leading our division, 3 weeks left in the season.
What more do you want out of the current team we have??
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Look up any of LostInSTL’s posts on the problem with Lovie. He says it far better than I ever could.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
LostinSTL posts make little sense to me
he seems to be more interested in dissing Lovie than what is really going on.
The glaring weakness on this team is the offensive line. With out a good line we can’t run the ball for any yardage except for the occasional big play by Forte. With a good offensive line we have the ball for 15 mins longer and Tom Brady has it 15 mins less and its a much closer game. That and snaging a couple of those 3 almost INT’s by Brady and we have a good chance to win.
There is nothing like a bad weather game to expose a bad offensive line.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
he seems to be more interested in dissing Lovie than what is really going on.
There’s also the possibility that, in stating what’s really going on, one can also – intentionally or not – diss Lovie. If he was merely chanting anti-Lovie slogans then I would agree, but he’s actually made a very concise argument highlighting all the ways in which Lovie has proven unable to take this team to the next level. Angelo, too.
No, that doesn’t mean I want Wanny back. It’s also possible to be for replacing Lovie while wishing for someone better.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Here's a thought
If the 49ers fire Singletary, pick him up as D Coordinator, fire Marinelli. Alter the defense to a 3-4 and draft some corners after the offensive line is addressed. Just don’t let Singletary have any call as far as drafting people or anything outside the D. I just don’t see why Marinelli still has a job in the league as any form of coach after the Lions debacle.
All just thoughts. I don’t think Lovie is an issue as he seems to be pretty calm in the face of problems. I just don’t think his coordinator base has been very solid.
Marinelli is highly thought of as a defensive line coach, and hasn’t been too shabby for the most part as a first-time defensive coordinator this year. He was head coach of a team that had Matt Millen as its GM. I suspect even The Hooded One might struggle in that situation.
If calmness in adversity was the be all and end all of what an NFL head coach requires then Lovie would be right up there with the best… although you could also bring in an old feller with alzheimers who has no idea what’s going on out there, by way of comparison. I believe one thing Lovie does have control of is who his staff are – and they have been an issue.
Emotionally, I love Singletary for his part on the last great Bears team. Rationally, he’s not thought to be an X & O kind of guy, which is what I believe is required of a coordinator (that’s from reports on the problems he’s been having as a head coach). He might be one day, but right now I have difficulty seeing anyone taking him on as anything other than a LB coach.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
hex the rec'd
We got let down by the offense, NE had the ball for 40 minutes.
Bad weather usually favors offenses, but in this case it exposed our OL that can’t block and Greg Olsen who can’t block. When your OL can’t block your at a big disadvantage passing because the treacherous field conditions hurts Jays ability to scramble around and make a play. If you can’t block you can’t pick up 1yrd third downs in bad weather. Any decent QB is going to win when he has the ball 40 mins a game. No defense can be prepared to be on the field 2/3rds of the game.
The Oline sucks because Lovie is not prepareing them properly? I think they just suck and would suck for any coach including Belichek.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Just curious, at what point do you start to put any responsibility for missing the playoffs 3 years in a row
at Lovie’s feet? Yes, the O-line sucks but he’s the head coach who, as his contract extension dictated, has a big say in personnel decisions. He’s gone through assistant coaches who haven’t gone anywhere else and set the world on fire either, again, poor “personnel” decisions in that area as well.
If you look at another comment I made in this post, I said the players have to own up to not being ready to play as much as Lovie but his teams have a history of doing this in big games and he’s the common denominator. The defense had a good first series but then folded like a cheap suit early so their time on the field had little to do with their poor performance.
I freely admit that I don’t like Smith as a HC and refuse to keep accepting mediocrity but you and some others seem more than willing to say that we should accept him just because he’s better than 2 other REALLY bad coaches (Wanny and Jauron). Bottom line he’s not done a good job in 3 years and an okay job this year, so far, doesn’t make up for that in my opinion. How many of us could be lousy at our jobs for 3 years in a row and get away with it? Why should we expect anything less from Lovie?
no, you can't blame jsut the coaching staff
players got to play.
Also, we got outcoached by Bill Belicheck, oh like that has never been done before…!
as true is this is, i don’t think any bears fans should jsut say ‘oh shucks, billy’s the best, it’s ok" we should want the best coach in the league, or a coach we can routinely be proud of. i want the charter franchise of the nfl to almost always be competitive, and almost never embarassed. sadly that’s not the case.
I wouldn't say the Pats played to perfection, either.
Lovie’s half-time adjustments kept the Pats O more-or-less scoreless in the second half.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Or was it a more conservative game plan by a team that was already up...
by 33 points and had nothing left to prove?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Or was it
…the power of tea?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
i feel confident it wasn't the power of Pine - Sol...
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Hard to say
Belichick kept the pedal to the accelerator on MNF last week against the Jets, because the Pats hadn’t played a full 60-minute game all season. It might’ve been a let-off this week because they proved they could, but I would’ve thought Hoodie might want to keep the momentum.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
What positive remark would you have for this game?!?!...
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Wanda’s still in one piece (as far as we know).
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Can't say the same for Maelvampyre! 8D
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
wanda/giselle was a little deflated after our loss
she took it hard.
:0P
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
I bet she did, old boy. I bet she did.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Dont get me wrong
Nothing really can be said positively for this output, but it’s not the end of the world. We still have our 1 game lead in the division, and we have 3 more weeks to go, controlling our own destiny. That is still a good spot to be positioned in coming down the stretch. Take a step back, and have a short memory. If they play this poorly against Minnesota next week, then we have reason to be concerned.
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Big picture, we still have the division lead and can wrap up next week.
It’s just the way we lost so convincingly.
But if there was a game to lose, after the Lions beat Green Bay, this was it.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
I’m putting this game on the back burner, and trying to move on. I hope the Bears players do as well, or if they don’t, at least use the motivation from being embarrassed to their advantage. Especially the defense!
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
+1,000,000
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by Ashley Czuba on Dec 12, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
How much ass he suck
against the Eagles or Green Bay or the Vikings? A lot of selective BS going on around here tonight. Just say you don’t like Lovie personally and keep it moving. Quit trying to make it an indictment on his coaching because he lost to the best team in the NFL. Hell the Patriots lost to the Browns. It happens.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Best Team?
That would be the Saints till post season play says otherwise. Oh and BTW lovies decision making or lack there of regarding in game adjustments is evedince enough to justify any indictement on his coaching. I’m starting to believe we can’t win a ring with lovie. If that’s the case he should be fired now. Not after an exstention ( Vikings)
by WavyGravy on Dec 12, 2010 9:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd
The Bears looked completely clueless and off-guard for the entire first half. For a moment, I even forgot we were the home team.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
by GriggsBriggs on Dec 12, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes a good whooping wakes the entire team up
they came out soft against the lions and got away with the win.
Today their were too many missed tackles against the best team in the league.
Do i still beleive? you know it. I beleive we run the table and come out ANGRY against minnesota. Why you ask? We play one day before my 21st birthday lol so they gotta pull through right?
You guys see Urlacher demolish Hernandez? yeeeeeeeeesssssssshhhhhh
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
Urlacher played well, didn't drop his chin.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
always the case with #54
plays hard and i wish he had gotten that pick, most weeks we get atleast one of those tipped passes
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Dec 12, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hah, those were heart-attack material for Pats fans.
I guess on a non-snowy day, the Bears would’ve caught some of those tips, but on a non-snowy day, Brady probably wouldn’t have thrown them.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't drop his chin but...
Ellis was averaging 5 yards a carry..He needed to step up and make more plays as the leader.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
Ellis is very underrated.
He ran very well against Pitt after all, when pitt hadn’t allowed a RB over 75 yards.
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These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
We still shouldn't be giving him that kind of yardage
poor tackling and gameplan got off balance.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
I will say
you guys have been the 7th team in a row, to say that your defensive gameplan was not good. lol
But regarding ellis again, he is a VERY tough runner. I wasn’t surprised he got over 80.
Poor tacking? maybe. but still, BJGE is a very good runner anyways.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
As I stated below
we were doomed from the outset by not being to generate a pass rush with the front four which opens up the door for Brady to have his way with us. The gameplan never adjusted and we were offbalance the whole game.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
when you blitz, and brady has 3 WRs n the field, with welker and branch, why wouldn't you rush 4, and cover with everyone else?
I mean, you guys have tommie harris, and pepper. And your other two lineman are good too.
Seems like a good gameplan to me. If you blitz, then that may open up their WRs even more.
Well… ultimately we wouldn’t really know. However, brady has done this ever since the loss to the browns. So I don’t think it had to do with the gameplan, more than the fact that brady is…. just that good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
The Tommie Harris we have
plays mostly like a ghost of the 2006 Tommie Harris. This year he’s actually been a weaker link, which is why there’s been more moving parts at the tackles like Toeaina and Melton. And Izzy just needed to solidfy at either end or tackle; he makes a pretty good bookend to Peppers.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Tommy Harris
is an average DT tackle who is being paid like a Pro Bowler. He probably should have been cut after last season.
And if we can’t generate a pass rush against Brady, then obviously we are dead meat.
???
Didn’t Brady come into this game as one of the least sacked QBs in the league?……….Or did you just mean that in terms of today’s game? Guess that matters, huh?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
If we can’t generate a pass rush against Brady, then we’re dead meat? Correct?
What does that have to do with what he came into the game as?
Why are you getting all hot and bothered?
I asked a simple question, did you mean that we are dead meat going forward? Or were you talking specifically in this game. Nobody attacked you. Chill the heck out.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
It's OK...
I still love you! :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think he meant that if Brady is left untouched and has time in the pocket
he’ll pick anybody apart. I don’t think he meant that we should have been able to pressure him because of something that he and/or the Pats are lacking.
Our 4 man rush is based on quickness
which was nullified by the snow. No snow the gameplan would have been fine I think. (Or the best it could be). Oh and Brady is that good
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
Pretty sure they knew snow was coming, same as you guys.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I agree completely.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
which is why we should have adjusted immediately
it was evident from the first or second series that our speed on defense was negated by the weather. we should have played a ton of nickel and dime packages. if we can’t rush brady, try to cover everything and create coverage-based pressure by buying our d-linemen more time. not saying this would have worked, but it was what a good coach would have done.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
adjusting gameplans on the fly, when you have been practicing all camp
will not give immediate results that you are looking for.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Like I said before.
We have to play press coverage and blitz five on obvious passing downs. Harrison even said it last night. This is how you beat them. Rodney was one of the Pats fromer players who played against Tom in practice.
well that used to be the case
when we had Moss for 2 1/2 years but this offense (when Moss was traded) was designed to beat blitz happy teams. So far it has worked well against the Jets, Ravens and the Steelers
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Benny's done that to the Jets, Steelers, Lions (decent d-line, if nothing else), Colts and Bears all in the last 5 weeks...
He’s coming into his own after starting the year as the 5th RB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
Yes. But to make matters worse, your line just opened up amazing holes, and BJGE showed amazing patience to hit and explode through them.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 13, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Laurence Maroney couldn't run with our OL last year
so I don’t always think it’s JUST because of any open holes for the RB. The RB has to recognize the holes, or any holes developing, and hit them. that’s what BJGE does very well.
This sounded so wrong. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Hence why he has the nickname DDR-Dance Dance Revolution
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Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
exactly.
although when he ran forward, it was always in the undesired direction. ;)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Too many missed tackles, agreed.
Even if it was just first contact that whiffed and gave up an extra few yards, it all begins to add up. It’s not just the missed tackles that lead to big plays.
Mr. Briggs was a key offender of that today
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Refs said it was on McCourty's foot.
We’ll see if they apologise this week after further review.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
It was a good call...
Knox just needs to hang onto the damn thing.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
McCourty might actually be pushing Suh for DPOY after his last few weeks.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed!
No excuses on what happened yesterday. They made us look like a high school team.
his ass ain't that small
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott
Mhm
But then I’m not sure I saw any Patriots infractions on their punt return that was called back. So I guess it was one either way.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I saw it, it was right after the snap, right side of the formation.
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by Ditkavsworld on Dec 13, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure what happened there...
I’ve been one of Knox’s biggest supporters but he has to have both hands on the ball in that situation and under those conditions. I agreed with the call, I thought the ball was coming out.
Doesn't matter
he has to hold on to the damn ball.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
Cheer up friends!
If we win next week and the Packers lose (is that really in doubt after the Packs and Pats respective games today), we clinch the division!
Vic Koenning is my homeboy.
by pygreg on Dec 12, 2010 6:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you sure? That would only put us 2 games up with 2 left
and if we then lost to the jets and the packers won that week, it would be 1 game lead once again going into lambeau, which if the packers win, they get the division…
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
If we beat the Vikings
we’d have the better divisional record.
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Oh true!
I forgot that the estimates from before today were banking on the packers win, and I didnt take into account the divisional record tie-breaker with the lions loss.
On that note, I feel like it is extremely plausible for that to occur. Bears just need to take care of business on their end, and if Rodgers concussion lingers, it could spell problems for the packers in the coming weeks.
by Patriotbball5460 on Dec 12, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
You're right.
Biggsy just tweeted it and that’s one of those things a beat reporter wouldn’t be likely to get wrong.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Dec 12, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
"Play our best game" was a recurring theme
I heard a lot, leading into this game against the vaunted Patriots.
I wouldn’t have pictured it to be this bad.
Well that sucked
Bad game in all phases, but Im not freaking out. Its a different story if the same Bears play again next week. One more silver lining is that if the Eagles lose tonight we still are the second seed in the conference. So today we should all be Cowboy fans(Yeah I know the thought of that is disgusting) but since we played like crap, I’ll take any outcome that favors us.
48 minutes of intensity
I'm rooting for Dallas
Jut cause it’s the Eagles….(and yes it is painful)
by David in Maine on Dec 12, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Never Close? Come on!
it was 0-0 in the beginning. That was close, right? ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Let's hope that the Bears.....
are woken up by this loss, as someone above said, and are not completely demoralized by it, as some are speculating happened to the Jets after watching them lose the way they did to the Dolphins tonight in the follow up to their 45-3 drubbing at the hands of the Pats.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 6:36 PM CST reply actions
Urlacher will do that
Sanchez, LaDanian Tomlinson, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes have the collective leadership ability of a wet paper bag.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing that worries me most is the trend of starting slow and trying to catch up...
Someone already mentioned that it’s what happened in Detroit last week and we’ve seen it with Lovie Smith teams for years. You cannot do that against good teams, especially playoff caliber teams, and excect to come out on top. I just can’t understand how the players can constantly do this, year after year. Lovie has to accept some responsibility but the players have to own up as well.
It's almost as if....
the defensive gameplan is to use a shell and see what the opponent does, then adjust to it. It makes you wonder if they watch tape of the opposing offense prior to game day.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
bears finish 12-4 no worst than 11-5
i stand by my team GO BEARS
best team in football? THE PATRIOTS… not because they blew otu the Bears, no because in the past two weeks they have not only beaten but EMBARRASSED 2 of the top 3 defenses in the Nfl… all i can say is wow
and yeah if i recall correctly we were supposed to go 7-9, 8-8, we are still just fine one loss doesnt change a thing
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 12, 2010 6:37 PM CST reply actions
Agreed!
We go no worse that 11 – 5 and w9in nthe division. With or without Rodgers, the Packers are going to lose.
Sad
The entire team came out looking completely unprepared.
Meanwhile, the Pats get off to a hot start with a little help from some horrible non-calls by officials. The Gronkowski TD that should have been offensive pass interference, many of BJGE’s runs in the first quarter where he had room only thanks to his linemen holding Bears defnders; the fact that the Pats were getting away with all this helped them to cement an early lead.
Regardless, with or without the breaks going against them, the whole team just played like a giant turd. They deserved this loss.
The silver lining is that the Packs lost, and Rodgers will almost surely have to sit out at the Pats next week as this is his second concussion of the season. And because the Metrodome collapsed, the Vikings will “host” us likely in Detroit or St. Louis… either one of those will essentially give us back home field advantage.
Pats had that PR TD taken away by a phantom holding call
I think it was a holding call. I’m still not sure who or what got held.
Happens both ways, I guess.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
They pretty clearly showed the hold. It was right at the line of scrimmage, but thanks for playing.
It was a hold.. one of the few called the whole game
I think we all kinda knew the refs would have a hard time tonight between the snow cyclones and white jerseys.
Shrug
within the first 5 yards of the LOS, where extra contact is pretty much de riguer? I was looking downfield for holding, because that’s where holding usually happens. Anything else is just LOS stuff.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
You my friend...
are Awesome! I love your optimism.
It's a non-conference loss...
and the Pack lost anyway, but what a gutless effort by this defense. This is exactly why I despise Lovie and his lack of preparedness. The difference in this game is planning and execution. Lovie forgot to plan and the team (under his leadership) forgot to execute. In all, this probably doesn’t make much difference in the playoff race, but how gutlees can one team be. They are definitely one and done in the playoffs. Way to make it close Lovie!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
If it's any consolation, Brady seems to LOVE playing Cover-2 teams and in the cold
Other QBs can struggle with one or both of these factors.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
How does one console a loss of this magnitiude???...
Epic suck in all phases.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
The Pats got thrashed by the Browns...
and then went and whomped the Jets, Steelers, Lions, Colts and Bears in 5 weeks. It’s possible.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Through another act of the universe,
the Bears find themselves no worse in the standings than last week. How amazing is that?
The calbre of this team
won’t be measured by this performance.
It will be measured by the way this team rebounds from that trainwreck.
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
Agreed
The Pats got drubbed by the freaking Browns, and then went on a rampage against the rest of the league, including 3 of the top defences and one of the top offences.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Bad on multiple fronts
1. Most worrisome to me is that our special teams (kicking side) has had two bad games in a row. This is a typically solid unit.
2. By the time we had any pass rush it was too late. They didn’t call many screens but when they did we got burned.
3. Two really costly early turnovers.
4. Tillman gives me yet another reason to hate him.
Funny thing is there was a point where Cutler was the only one not to blame. I know people are saying this Pats offense is a big deal but I’m worried. Defense hasn’t looked sharp for a little while now.
by seitori on Dec 12, 2010 6:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Knox and Tillman...
need to be re-evaluated as starters. Bennett can replace Knox tomorrow and not be missed. Tillman can just retire. First pick in the draft, the next starter at CB for the Bears. Next, a starting WR would be nice. Add a few interior linemen, offensive and defensive, and perhaps a coaching change and the Bears are all set!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
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"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
You really want
a first round cornerback over a starting quality offensive lineman?
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The O-line...
is improving, Tillman is not.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
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We are apparently viewing different o-lines.
I still see both sides getting pushed back from the snap.
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I have to agree with you.
I still see some of the poor technique issues that they have had since the beginning of the season. All i see is Cutlers mobility doing a better job of covering it up the last few games.
that is very true
although the line has been a bit better, cutler has definately kept himself out of some sacks.
Cutler's mobility
And shorter drops and getting the ball out quicker – have covered up some of the line’s liabilities since the Washington debacle. But one of the biggest reasons why we got killed today was that fact that we couldn’t run the ball, and ended up having to abandon it – after we fell behind.
What was the difference in time of possession – something like 2-1? It seemed like our defense was on the field all afternoon.
i think a DT might be the first pick
simply because you usually don’t get good DTs past round 1. and while our d-line in general has been very good, the middle doesn’t generate enough pressure. but i would say we need a new CB pronto…we can get a starting guard or even RT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so i suspect its either a DT or CB in round 1.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
We need a minimun of 3 new starters on the OIine
If we can’t get any (good) one through FA then we have to draft them high enough to ensure a chance getting what we need. No doubt a shut down corner and a beast of an DT would be great but it’s the OL that’s killing us the most.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
The coaching change would be my first move and then let the new regime evaluate the needs.
I think there is enough talent in most areas to compete but they need a good swift kick to let them know that mediocre performance will not be tolerated.
ANY
team with less than 10 wins is mediocre?
team that loses to Belichek is mediocre?
fore the HC on all these teams?
If you can’t prepare the worst OL in the nfl to beat NE fore the coach?
Veteran TE blocks like Betty White fore the coach?
a rookie safety blows coverage and gives up a long TD, fore the coach and cornerbadk?
The fire Lovie cabal never sleeps
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Apparently...
neither does the Lovie “let’s be happy with middle of the road” brigade.
It amazes me that so many people are using the “well, you did lose to Belichek” refrain. Who cares who the coach or the opponent is, if you accept that losing to them is “okay”, you can’t flip that switch on and off.
So does this game Justify,
the concerns about the schemes in place(both offensively and Defensively) not being appropriate for chicago in december?
And a QB who loves Cover-2 Ds and sees the Colts every year in crucial games.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
And mostly eats the colts alive.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 13, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
trick question.
if this ends the “we don’t get enough respect” commentary then thank god for that at least.
winning out or losing out wouldn’t suprise me in this league, but it would have been nice to play them tough.
still key shortages at both lines, secondary, and wide receiver.
This loss is not the end of the world
we have been winning games because we have not been turning over the football which was not the case today. Shame on Martz for his poor gameplan against an average Pats D. He did not give them a chance to succeed. Lump that in with our awful third down defense in the first half and it was a recipe for disaster. Get back to work next week, beat the Vikes and we are in good shape. The Pack schedule is more difficult than ours.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
I thought I read somewhere earlier in the week that Martz have never beaten Belichek
either as a HC or OC. If it’s true, the streak continues.
not true
the 2001 rams beat the pats in the reg season
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
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Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
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agreed. balance goes out the window
down a couple scores. but no defensive stops and poor offensive play just keep the shit ball rolling down.
if you can’t impose your will with your player’s talent, you rely on breaks to win sometimes, if you don’t get them you open yourself up to losing.
they cannot lay an egg against the queens, even with the old excuse of division game on the road.
yeah, i'm not that upset at the offense
they really had no chance to get a rhythm. i mean, the pats scored nearly every possession. that kind of kills even the most brilliant offensive game plan, because you basically have to score every time, which, given our o-line, is kind of impossible.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
They had no chance to get into a rhythm....
because they weren’t moving the ball and weren’t giving the defense any chance to rest. The other team scoring doesn’t kill the offensive game plan unless you fail to move the ball yourselves. 5 yards a possession in the 1st half is just as bad as anything the defense was doing.
Don’t get me wrong. D blew today as well. But the offense didn’t help them by jogging onto the field and then coughing up the ball or going backwards. The Bears offense has 3 possessions in a row that had negative yardage, two of which ended in turnovers. What’s not to be made at when the offense couldn’t let the defense rest for even 2 minutes in the second quarter, where almost all of the Pats points were scored? The Bears O had 4 drives that accounted for 3 minutes and 12 seconds over 8 plays 2 fumbles, with one returned for a TD and -23 yards. And the D is responsible for that? Read that again. $ drives for a total of 8 plays and -23 yards and 2 fumbles.
How can you hang that on the D?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Guys
if we beat the Packs next week, will you guys beat the jets for us. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Beat them horribly, please. Oh man.
They deserved to be horsewhipped for today’s effort, and still almost won it because Miami was almost as bad.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
consider it done.
Make sure the jets lose BADLY though. Embarrass them. Destroy them . Drive them to the dirt. Put their playoff hopes out of their misery.
All in all, just annihilate them.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Really not that afraid of the jets actually
especially at home. As long as we dont have another snow storm. We struggled with it today as it really nullified our speed on our rush. You guys really thrived in it and took advantage of every mistake we made. Even without the weather we had a tough road to hoe and would have taken a great team effort to win. I thought we would have gotten a better game out of our ST but our coverage was awful.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
dont be afraid of them.
they are overrated, and it seems their spirits are being crushed from the past 2 weeks. Keep em’ down fellas. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Yeah. it is.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Sanchez looks like a frozen fish in the cold.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 12, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
But mes mark
sanchize dang it…..
Boo all you want but you know what….Deep down you know I am right!
- Mike Martz on how the feels about the fans
by CloudyFuture on Dec 12, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Jets have a stud O-line too.
They also have a power running game. We need the conditions to be better in order for our team speed to dominate.
It is odd that the Ryan lineage would
have me rooting against the Jets, but there you have it. I bet on the Dolphins today. Hmm!!!
It’s that Hard Knocks bragadocious stuff that has me rooting against Rex.
Worst beating I can remember since the Packers killed us on MNF
Back in the day when they honored Butkus etc at half time.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
That game still huants my dreams.
That was throwback jersey night right?
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 13, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
As you all know, I haven't been a believer...
that this Bears team was as good at their record.But, I wish they made a believer out of me today. This was depressing. And this is why the Pats are the class of the league.
And BTW… notice all the incredibly detailed preparation Brady made for this game. Putting footballs in the freezer, wearing the surfer’s body suit, studying Soldier Field before he got their to know where the clocks are, etc. This is the type of prep that makes winners win.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Had a chance to show
they could play and really importantly coach with the big boys even though all the “we weren”t even supposed to be where we are" guff tries to smooth it over, they all blew it! Yes it is only one loss, but it’s how it was lost and against who… ? A NFL consistantly winning, playoff, upper echelon team…Smitty and the gang didnt seem to show up, Man you just cant take a poundin’ at home like that unless they really are who I thought they were… if they do back in to the division top spot (Rodgers bunged up) it’s a one and done deal, need over achievers and I aint seein’ many.
"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank
This may need to be a week where Dave rushes his "best of" thread.
I think we could all use a laugh after that.
… Not a troll.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:15 PM CST reply actions
There was a distinctive lack of laughs in the 2nd Q thread when I was catching up with it. Hopefully it got a little better after that, or else (Just) Dave will have very little to work with.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Wow.
They’re showing the FOX footage of the baggie ripping open over the Metrodome. That is just surreal.
I still have no idea how a stadium is allowed to have a roof like that.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:16 PM CST reply actions
It pretty much resembles the whole season they have had up there =)
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
by GriggsBriggs on Dec 12, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Zi--
Oh, I made myself feel bad.
The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.
by Robert Rence on Dec 13, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Un oh
Gollum talking on Sunday night football..
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
damn the weather changes wuick round here
last week it felt like hawaii
this week it feels like alaska
look we lost, we lost 3 times before that and a bunch of times the year before
when the bears are winning i see we are great but this this this
we lose and its like the world stood still
someone needs to rally behind the troops if we start turning on them who will they have supporting them?
Peanut fell, it was snowing so what
Jknox had a bad game so what its his second year 1st as a starter
defense gave up a million yards… well last i checked stats were based on average not each game
tom brady and the pats are the pats if this was the bills, the lions, the panthers that beat us like this i would be pissed beyond belief probably wouldnt even comment
did we win, no
this was more evidence that maybe we should be the underdogs every week
so many “experts” picked us to win, the same “experts” who said we sucked all year
the same “experts” who will say we suck until we beat the jets and pack
last week wasnt the trap game THIS WEEK WAS
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 12, 2010 7:21 PM CST reply actions
Welcome to general fandom.
Wins feel great. Losses sting for a while.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Damn...
I am OK because I figured this was a loss anyway. The problem was the Bears never even showed up. A close loss and I’m OK, but this gutless effort makes me worry about the games that do truly count!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
That's kinda how I feel.
If there was a game to lose, after the Packers loss, this was it, but it’s just the way it happened that makes me sick.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
but hey Sugar Honey Iced Tea happens…
we will pay them back sooner or later
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 12, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
I may be a Debbie Downer/Negative Nancy...
but it’s hard to see my beloved suck so bad. Let’s take it out on the next 3 opponents! That would cure my ill!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
especially the jets please. :)
and we’ll try and keep our end of the deal, and beat the packers. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Good luck you bastards!!!!!!!!!
You guys have a bit of class and that’s why I am not calling for your untimely deaths right now!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Thanks. You guys have been great here. Best fans I've talked to in a very long time.
Keep up the wins guys. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
best fans to visit WCG, as well.
Thanks fro all the class. Good luck and hope to see you for a rematch in February.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
OK...
But can I still wish for bad things to happen to Woodhead?!?! That guy pisses me off!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
but he's a 5'7" little guy with a big heart. why would you wish such a thing. :'(
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
yeah he is a good story
love the heart guys
dont worry we wish for injuries
just fumbles and such… 12 yard games lol stuff like that
i hope his car insurance gets canceled for 2 days and he has to pay someone out of pocket i mean its stuff like that
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 13, 2010 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
Wes Welker became one of my favourite non-Bears
after his recovery from the injury, now that’s work ethic.
wuick= quick
my bad but yeah you get the point we fans lets show our support for jay cutlers first winning team
you see a loss
i see things we need to work on
you see an aging cb
i see a perfect safety
you see a young receiver
i see developing talent
you see a horrible offensive line
i see a horrible offensive line
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 12, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh great, that Faith Hill lady
is reminding me that it’s Sunday night and I have to work tomorrow morning. Go away please.
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Good game, people
Hopefully no injuries out of it, and good luck for the rest of the season. It was fun interacting with you people here and on PatsPulpit.
See you around, maybe playoffs.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I do hope we see one another...
in the Super Bowl. It lends itself to an epic rematch. Good luck you rotten bast****!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Gladly
I’ll take any and all Super Bowl appearances rather than the alternative.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
someone else said it, but we can clinch the division next week with a win over the vikes and a packers loss to the patriots
this is very likely, then all we have to worry about is seeding.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Dec 12, 2010 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Odd, considering he's a Cali boy (even if he went to Michigan for college)
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
That was awful and all
But next week, we can really get close, especially if we win and Packers lose. Let’s regroup this week and take the bad taste out of our mouth by taking it out on the Vikings and Favre.
"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."
"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010
by Sam Householder on Dec 12, 2010 7:40 PM CST reply actions
Question...
Let me preface this by saying that Brady is a great QB and a HOFer. But I wonder this…
If Emmit Smith, being the all-time leading rusher in NFL history, still get docked points because he played with a great O-line and not called the greatest ever, why doesn’t Brady catch some of that same heat for playing with his O-line? I mean how many times have you heard the phrase “Emmitt was good but he ran through holes as big as a house”?
I mean Brady has been playing behind a brick wall literally his whole career. He has play fakes where he literally has 5 seconds to throw a ball and games where his jersey is never even dirty. I’m just curious why there seems to be a double standard between the two or when he’s talked about, why people don’t say “Yeah Brady is great but look at all that time he had through his career.”
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
not always with a brick wall.
keep in mind, brady is infamous for making that ONE step and creating an extra 2 seconds. Like Dan Marino.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Le's be real, here....
Brady is one of the least touched QBs of the last decade. Cutler makes time with his feet. Brady makes a sandwich and then surveys the field. Huge difference there. It’s almost insulting to compare Brady to Marino in that case.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Does he have to slice the tomatoes himself? Is the jar of mayonnaise already open? It’s little things like that that add up.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
People pass rush him as well. It's not a myth.
Brady is the least sacked QB because:
1) He has a great release
2) they do MANY short passes, and that entices the defense to play mostly coverage for those underneath throws
3) Brady has excellent footwork. Making extra time just by doing a step in the pocket(like dan marino). Hell, they compared his pocket presence to dan marino several times in the past 3 years.
It’s not all the OL. Brady has as much to do with it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
yeah...a myth perpetuated by colts fans
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I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
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Nah I've watched him this year
He has time back there that is unreal. Half the time he doesn’t even have to flush the pocket. That O-line is the key to that team and has been for the last decade.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
OL is key to every team. And yes, BB has stressed about OL and DL the most as a head coach.
I have watched all their games too. Brady does those 3 things frequently, and very well. It’s not ALL the OL. That’s what I;m saying.
You can’t say(even though your probably didn’t) that Brady is brady only because of his OL. That’s a mistake. Brady is brady because he throws very accurate passes, has great pocket presence, reads the defense very well, and has an excellent release.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Right. I'm not saying that
But I do think it’s fair to ask why a all-time great like Emmitt Smith is looked at like he was aided because of his o-line but I rarely hear Brady mentioned that way. I feel like with Brady, it’s such an advantage, more than any other QB, that maybe he should be looked at in that manner. His pockets are UNREAL.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
OL are supposed to help QBs like that though.
A question comes to mind: Does a QB HAVE to have a bad OL in order to be looked at MORE legite-like?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Absolutely not...
Brady is defeinitely legitimate. As was Emmitt Smith. But does the fact that he has a great line get ignored because he knows how to step up into the pocket that they create or because he has a good release? Does watching Brady stand stationary for 5-7 seconds get ignored because he releases the ball well after changing the oils in Gisele’s Porcshe?
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Remember that mankins didn't check in until the 9th or 10th game.
He worked with an OL with just Light and Koppen. Neal is average, and Light is JUST above average, and Koppen is average.
he worked with a slightly above average OL before. but just slightly above.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
they put connely in for mankins when he was not playing, and has done fairly well. Not as good as mankins.
and right now, he is filling in for neal.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I like Light a lot.
I think he’s under-rated and wouldn’t turn him away if he came here.
But it has just as much to do with the coaching. Playing to the strengths of the players available includes the line. I hate Belichick and I always will (Unless he miraculously leaves NE to coach Chicago, that is ;) )
Development and coaching or that line has led to insane consistency, especially in the modern league.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Light was good in his prime...now he kinda sucks
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Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
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I wish our Tackles sucked like that.
I know a lot of teams that would wish that.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
he can still play for 3 more years...but i doubt they will sign him next yr when his contract is up
but our future LT is playing RT now and i rather have him play LT than Light
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
i'm sure Light will be a starting LT next year somewhere else...but def not for the Pats
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
Right now, I would settle for average.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Of course not
But let’s be frank. We’re talking about all-time greats now. Emmitt Smith is the NFL all-time leading rusher but Brady finished like 10 spots ahead of him on the NFL top 100 players for instance. Emmitt isn’t looked at as the greatest because of his O-line. I’m merely stating that Brady has had that same advantage at QB, but I never his his O-line mentioned when he’s given praise by media.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
And that is an entirely fair point.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
BTW....
Part of Brady stepping up is the line creating the pocket for him to step up in, is it not? No Pocket means no place for Tom to step.
Tom does have a great release, and pretty good pocket presence, though I think it’s over-stated. Better pocket presence would have helped him avoid 2 of his three sacks today, but that’s also just one day.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not stepping up. Sorry, should have elaborated.
He steps in a certain direction to get those extra yards. Like I said, he has been compared to Dan Marino for his Pocket Presence for a reason. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
And when he does step up
that usually means one of his tackles got beat again, which happens more frequently than you think.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
If the tackle got beat, then.....Not exactly fair.
Tackles frequently re-direct ends out and behind the QB while the QB steps up into the pocket created (Brady did this several times tonight as Peppers was directed out behind him. It’s a common technique to use a ends momentum to take him out behind the play, That’s not failure, unless the end gets to the QB.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I know that. lol
Light DES in fact get beat though. lol He’s not what he used to be.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Oh, I'm not....
saying that Brady doesn’t also have something to do with his success. Far from it. But what I am saying is that he has benefited greatly from higher quality line than most have had (at least in terms of pass protection). While some of the time his release, and the scheme have helped him, there are far too many times that Brady just stands back, writes a love song to Gisele, makes a sandwich, checks his watch and then fires a pass to just ignore.
I’mm not trying to down Brady. He’s brilliant as a passer. But it’s disingenuous to ignore the fact that his line has been his best friend (Next to Belichick). I don’t play the “what if” game, but Brady owes a lot to that line and the ability of his coaching staff to continually develop the talent for that line.
Emmitt Smith was very good at his job, as well. But that doesn’t stop people from recognizing that he ran behind arguably the best offensive line in NFL History.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you is all I can say. lol
I just thought it was an interesting parallel that no one ever brings up when it comes to Brady. because when I see him play, I think about it every time he drops back.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
yes. a great OL does benefit him.
But he doesn’t ALWAYS take 5 seconds to throw Unless he is waiting for a WR to get open a bit more.
He mostly throws it within 5 second. 3-4 seconds mostly.
When he does need to get that extra time, he does make that extra step, and the OL does it’s part as well. They have very good synergy.
Hell, He wasn’t sacked that much when CONNELY was in, and not Mankins. At that time, only koppen and Light were the pro bowlers, and they both were JUST over above average this year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Oh, and brady is not the least sacked QB in the league
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
I don't believe I ever said that he was the leagues least sacked QB this year.
I believe I said he was one of the least touched QBs over the last decade. And he’s still in the top 10 least sacked QBs this year, when you have admitted that the line is not what it used to be. Do you have any idea how many team would like to have a line that they can say isn’t what it used to be and has it’s star player holding out and can still say that their QB is in the Top 10 least sacked?
I think you just help me make my point more than you realize, my friend ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Don't discount heavy TE use either
It’s not always the line, edge rushers have been pretty well shut down by the TE and Woodhead is surprisingly good at picking up blocks when he’s in.
This, as well.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
DAMN!!!! anyways...
I know he has a very good OL. that we can establish.
But it seems like you guys are saying that Brady is brady mostly because of his OL. which I completely disagree with.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
but also worth noting:
We lost our starting RT, RG, and Logan Mankins didn’t come in till the 9th or 10th game.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
You are digging a deeper hole, lol.....
So you lost more than 1/2 your line and Brady is still in the top 10 least sacked QBs? Oh, to have your woes, lol!
And I’ve stated repeatedly above that Brady is brilliant.
The argument isn’t that Brady is or isn’t brilliant, but that he also gets the credit his line deserves, in addition to the credit he deserves himself where-as a guy like Emmitt Smith gets his credit diminished and given to the line along with the credit they deserve.
See the point, now? Nobody is saying Brady isn’t great. He clearly is. But this argument will always come up in “Greatest Ever” conversations. Dan Marino ran for his life constantly through his career and still did the things he did. Brady is a first ballot hall-of-famer, but to be fair, he wasn’t running for his life. That’s not to take anything away from Brady, but instead shows you how impressive a guy like Marino was.
I find it insulting and revisionist to compare what Brady and Manning have to deal with to what Marino dealt with. Never had any running game, never had a good offensive line and had less than great receiving options other than the short time he had Duper and Clayton.
Believe me, I would argue for Brady as arguably the Best QB of his generation with Manning being the only possible counter argument. And I have a history of rooting for Brady (I am a Michigan fan).
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I get what your saying.
and I’m all for looking at the big picture(ie. how good is the OL).
I give the OL credit. I said they were very good. But like I said, I like to look at the big picture.
He is excellent in the playoffs, whereas dan Marino is not. He is more accurate than marino(well.. it’s arguable), and he threw to average receivers as well, until 07. He has had MANY comeback wins in his resume, and he has an excellent TD-INT ratio in his entire career in both the regular season in playoffs.
He also didn’t have a spectacular OL during the Superbowl runs until after 2004.
The OL benefits him this year, but in no way should it tarnish the true nature of abilities he has as a QB.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
LOL
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
On the contrary..
The O-Line does not tarnish Brady’s abilities. It inflates them and his legend. Again, not diminishing Brady. Just stating reality. Brady should get his credit. He just shouldn’t also get the credit that is owed to others.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 12, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think he does.
Many announcers during the game(didn’t happen today I think), usually say: “Look at the time he has! Wow.”
We praise the OL. don’t ya worry. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
t train
bill beli develops his players
the line hadnt just been thrown together
the line coach isnt new to the team
its called cohesion brady knows his line and what they can and cannot do from years of playing behind them
thats the difference with their line
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 13, 2010 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with everything except the "line hadn't just been thrown together" because it kinda has
Other than Light and Koppen, the rest of the line isn’t the same from training camp. Our O-line in camp was Light, Connolly, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur… then Kaczur got hurt to put Vollmer in at RT. This was how it was for 7 weeks. Then Mankins comes back at LG after a long holdout. Then Neal gets hurt to move Connolly from LG to RG. I’d also point out that Connolly is also the short yardage fullback :P I think the real trick is to not draft O-lineman that fill just one spot and make sure EVERYONE works as hard as the starters.
Great examples on the Patriots of what I mean, Vollmer and Connolly. Connolly can play FB, RG, LG, and C. All pretty well. Vollmer can play LT, RG, LG, RT all really well. The older members of the line can rotate too but they are pretty stuck in their molds.
I suppose we'll test this theory next week
Rodgers backup better be just as awesome as he is :P
That said, the O-Line should get more accolades for what it’s done. Scarnecchia should get a medal of honor for the sheer number of people that he’s trained to be awesome.
True...
but Brady’s O-line was good because that’s where the resources (ie – draft picks) went. That meant he was throwing at scrubs for WRs most of the time.
The one time he got a good O-line and genuine talent at WR, he blows up the league and sets the TD record.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Brady's also won Super Bowls with godawful WRs, though...
It’s not like he was playing his entire career with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, etc. He had a good O-line because they were spending the draft picks on the line and not on WRs… which means he was throwing to guys like Reche Caldwell, Bam Childess, Jabbar Gaffney and such.
The one year he gets an O-line and great WRs, he breaks every record imaginable.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
so
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
assumign the bears go 2-1 (i picked losing to green bay at season’s end)
and the eagles lose tonight but win out (hunch on my part)
and green bay drops the next 2
bears are the 2 seed. switching around some of those games the bears could be the trhee seed hosting the giants or packers.
probably 1000 other things could happen but i think those are the most “likely.”
shitty with the eagles win
bears probably have to win out for 2 seed. yes i know i am talking to myself.
nah im following
if you look down i posted something in response to this kind of
the eagles still play the cowboys again and the giants
the falcons still play the saints
we should be ok still cause those are the only teams that have any say in oru seeding if we win out
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 13, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
did u guys ban some eagle troll?
just wondering cause it was on the mod screen
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sweet.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
what did he say?
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I don't remember.
I think it was quarter 2? I’m not inclined to look it up, but it was largely pre-emptive.
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would have been worse being there
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sorry for the plug...but u guys were the best fans we have interacted w....
so join us in the snf game thread
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I might be in the minority here, but this loss didn't feel that bad to me.
We lost to the best team and best coach (who can turn draft potential into actual productivity) in the NFL. I’m not going to make any excuses because, to steal and paraphrase a quote, excuses are for cowards and losers (hear that, Philadelphia?).
What do we get from this game? A dose of reality, perhaps. As I said in another comment, my feeling is that we’re a decent team that’s been playing above itself to get to 9-4. If we were a good team then I would be disappointed that we weren’t doing better (or, at least, looking more comfortable doing it) and if were were a great team then we would have no business losing the way we did. But we’re not. We’re a decent team that happened to play against a very good one (that, with great coaching, may be reclassified as a great team) and thus needed everything to align in our favour in order to win. They didn’t. That’s the way it goes.
Semantics aside, I’m going to get criticised by those who can’t stand that “da Bears get no respect from MSM”… sorry guys, I do happen to think we’re playing above ourselves and that we have too many holes in this team that can be exploited by better teams/coaching, as today, whereas the losses to the Skins and Seahawks were more on bad coaching (I refuse to concede that they’re better teams).
I hope we get to the playoffs because this is my team and I want to do better than the Vikings and Packers. Realistically we’re not going to achieve much if we do, though, which places us squarely in the “average” bracket – good enough to make some noise every now and then, not good enough for consistent honours. That’s where we are with the current regime – some might say, with the ownership – and, well, it’s not good enough in my mind. Lovie apologists, today you saw what happened when you have a coach who can do it when it counts. I’m not even upset about that because I expected no more from him.
I’ll still watch every Bears game to the bitter end, though. If I’m there for the good times, I’m damned well going to be there for the bad.
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I guess I'm a Lovie apologist
because I don’t understand how no one comments about Lovie “doing it when it counts” when we’re beating the Eagles and Packers but everyone is lining up like it’s Christmas eve at Walmart to give him hell when we lose to a juggernaut like the Patriots. I’m confused by that. Lovie has us on the doorstep of clinching our division next week and a possible 2 seed in the NFC. He deserves props for the job he’s done this year and probably Coach of the Year.
As far as tonight goes…it means nothing. It was the most affordable game we had to lose left on the schedule. Yeah we should have played better but there’s nothing wrong with a butt whipping every now and then to keep you grounded. Burn the tape and move on to the Vikings.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
The problem, as I see it, is not in losing to the Pats but the fact that we looked totally uprepared once again.
To me it would be almost easier to take this kind of effort against a doormat team because you can understand looking past them (see the Patriots vs. the Browns earlier this season).
The fact that this game was supposed to be a statement by the Bears and was one of the most highly publicized and anticipated games in years, yet the team comes out flat, unprepared, bad attitude, or whatever description you want to use, is very troubling. Everything was in the Bears’ favor for this game. A home game, opponent played a huge game on the previous Monday night, one of their LB’s was suspended a day or two before, your fans were at the point that they were finally starting to believe, you just got by a weaker division opponent the week before by starting out flat (which should have been a lesson), and your biggest competitor just lost a division game so if you pulled it out today, you had a 2 game lead with 3 to play. There is no way they should have been completely embarrassed like this.
Unfortunately, we have all seen this kind of performance from Lovie Smith coached teams in the last 3 years so what makes you think that this trend is reversing? I don’t believe that the Bears, or any team, has to apologize for their record but let’s be realistic here. This season has also seen the Bears get their unfair share of breaks too, so while they shouldn’t have to apologize for those breaks, the same logic says you can’t credit Lovie for a great coaching job because he was in the position to take advantage of them either.
I wouldn't be doubting Lovie just yet
It’s not like you guys are the only team the Pats have done this too. There are other teams like the Steelers, Jets, Colts, etc. that are very good teams and were beaten in a similar fashion. The Steelers even lost badly at home.
Could be worse.. could be a Bills or Lions fan
Pats have beaten the Bills 14 straight times with one game left this season at Buffalo.
The Bears seem to always be one cog away from being continuous contenders. It’s not consistent either. That’s just unfortunate :(
But I don't buy into this "break" theory
A win is a win. A loss is a loss. Both equal in value. I’ve watched the Saints and Atlanta pulls rabbits out of their butts all year but know one is holding them to this “break” theory. Lovie is 9-4 and he’s 9-4 mainly because of his strategy of defense and his decisions of who to have coach this roster over the off season worked. That’s Lovie who did that and it counts.
You can’t decided when Lovie sucks you have to look at it as a whole and by facts. Facts: the Bears are 9-4, lead their division, and in position to win this division next week. They did it by taking care of business in the NFC and in the division. That’s what matters. New England is on a run right now where everything is clicking for them. They’re blowing out EVERYBODY. Who’s to say that aren’t peaking too soon and lose in their first round? In my opinion Lovie is a good coach and one of the most successful in this franchises history.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I completely agree that Lovie is doing a decent job
after the Eagles game everyone was talking contract extension for Lovie. Also for everyone advocating that a diff defensive scheme was called for please post ur thoughts and feel free to include X’s and O’s as I am curious what would have worked. Pats carved up the mad blitzing Jets, the swarming Steelers and now our Cover 2 thing. What is the big shift that would have turned the tide in this one?
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're saying the same thing about the breaks, just in a different way.
All I’m saying is that when you look at the other things like losing to teams you should have beaten at home (Redskins and Seattle), bad decisions (continuous bad replay challenges), not being prepared for the biggest game in the last few years, etc. calling for a Coach of the Year award is way out of line at this point.
Again, the same trends we’ve seen for years continue with Lovie and just because some of those “breaks” went our way this year doesn’t make him any better than he’s been, in my opinion.
probably Coach of the Year
At the very least, a certain hoodie-clad one might have something to say about that – and I don’t mean McDaniels, much as I would love to see him awarded it for the demolition job he did on the Broncos. Really, he couldn’t have done a more thorough job if he tried, except perhaps if he’d personally taken a hammer to Elvis Dumervil’s knee…..
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im not upset about any loss
this loss i kind of figured
im upset by the way we lost
i agree with 611 we looked like this was a preseason game and they were playing for the playoffs
we could have been fighting for homefield advantage
but some bright spots:
the eagles play the cowboys and the giants again
the falcons have the saints again
the packers have us again
everyone who could possible stop us from hitting the playoffs or having a number 2 seed play each other so one of them will lose
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 13, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
we're with ya Spongie!
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WOW...
You have crystallized my viewpoint so very well. I am sick after this loss, but i didn’t expect a win anyway. What stings the most is the effort. If this were a close game, it would be difficult but tolerable, but this is why i am so harsh on Lovie. I think this game illustrates what i dislike about Lovie. This was a game in which the defense needed to be different and prepared for a great QB. Instead we saw another rehash of what it takes to beat a Tampa2 defense. Was it so hard to envision that the Pats were going to play short pass and run against a soft coverage scheme? The plan was to play the Cover 2 all day and hope Tom Brady was going to make mistakes. Instead, the Bears made all of the missed plays. Urlacher and Harris dropped game changing INTs and then allowed the Pats to steamroll in “Bear weather”. Lovie lacks what is needed to take this team any farther than barely making the playoffs. Hopefully, he’s just fired, but instead, no matter what, we’ll get another mediocre season closely linked to playoff contention but still no payoff. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
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As shakey as our offense has played this year
I didn’t really expect us to win, either. It would’ve taken another perfect game by Cutler, like the Eagles game – for us to have won, today. But it would’ve been nice not to have been completely embarrassed. It just seemed like we were flat, and poorly prepared. But who really knows what goes on in the meeting rooms and at Halas Hall? Maybe Lovie broke down countless hours of film and had everyone completely prepared, as best as he could and the players went out and just blew it.
Yes, we lost.
And it wasn’t pretty. But there’s always next Sunday. Plus, the Pack lost as well… and when we lost, it was to one of, if not the, best teams in the NFL. Relax guys! :]
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If not one of the best teams in the NFL
One of the best offences the league has seen in years (per metrics).
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 12, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Did Mankins return to the lineup shore up the Pats Oline or is Brady just that good right now?
I am not sure any team currently in the NFL can beat Brady when he gets comfortable in the pocket. We knew all week that if we couldnt provide a decent pass rush without blitzing that it would be a long day and it turned out to be exactly the case. Whether snow or the Pats Oline did the job Brady showed why he is a future hall of famer. Guy carved our secondary like a thanksgiving bird. Guy knew every soft spot in the cover 2 like he invented the defense. A guy playing on that level is hard to beat and since we couldnt get our offense in gear we got our buts kicked. My biggest suprise wasnt Brady it was the young Pats defense playing at such a high level, very impressive piece of coaching.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Mankins returning was HUGE for the running game
Passing game it was meh.. What was more important was Neal’s injury that put Connolly in at RG. Connolly is playing better than Neal was. Brady has been on fire lately though.
kinda made it better
cause we had a backup-Connolly- who played LG…and he played well…when Mankins returned…he took his spot at LG. Now a week after Mankins returned, our RG got injured and when on IR and the backup LG in now our starting RG
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Your Oline should have a clinic and Invite our O-lineman to carry the jock straps
Solid Oline used to be a standard here in Bear country but alas those days are over. That combined with a second rate receiver corp equals big problems against well coached defenses. The Giants game was a similar with the exception of a guy like TB.
hopefully we play well enough here on out to see you guys again in February and avenge this loss but thats a tall order.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
yeah...not bad for an o line that lost its starting RT on IR in training camp and lost our RG on IR halfway thru the season
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that too
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Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
The unfortunate reality is
Our O-line wouldn’t even be able to carry the Patriots’ jock straps. Why do you think we basically gave up trying to run the football in this game? After that the game just continued to get out of hand – because we couldn’t get our defense off of the field.
Yeah.. you guys seemed to run the ball pretty well early
I think the fumble TD really kinda blew all the doors of their hinges. Martz panicked and tada.
Yup thats where the wheels came off the car
unacceptable to lay a ball on the carpet like knox did. He is still making rookie mistakes and he is no longer a rookie. We desperately need a true number 1 veteran receiver to take control of the youngsters and get them doing what they need to be doing. Knox has a future in this league, but he is a raw talent.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Dane S (can't remember his name but he is the father of that camera guy in Denver)
one of the best o line coaches in the league…
He developed our org starting RG Neal who never ever played high school football or college football…from a college wrestler to a good RG
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
Still wearin' mah Bears jersey to work tomorrow!
I love da Bears
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
when do the bears play the jets?
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
In NYC I believe
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
my bad
Your right that game is here in Chitown.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
question
should have asked this a week ago but…Was Marcus Freeman ok or bad?…just wondering why he was released a year ago
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
The OSU linebacker we took last year in the middle if the draft or was it 2008?
So unmemorable that I dont even remember him playing well or bad. I see in your sig ur a big Ohio State guy, never had as much fun as I did visiting Columbus OH in the 90s partying with a buddy who went there. Good times, too bad I dont remember much of it :-)
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Holy crap
I forgot all about him….Remember most being happy he got picked up….Played in some preseason games then got cut….Some thought he get practiced squaded but nope….Dont think he got picked up by any one else either…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on you in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 12, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
I really liked Jamar Williams, thought he was the future of Bear LBing
but alas the coaching staff thought differently. I guess we got Harris back for him so it wasn’t a complete waste.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on if
you are a CHarris fan I guess….
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 12, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
he is now a coach for the football team @ osu
Non Sibi Sed Patriae &I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Toy Story wears no. 39 100x better than D.D.R
Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."
Freeman stop playing..
He has the same heart issues that killed gaines Adams.
by Claudio Oliveira on Dec 13, 2010 6:19 AM CST up reply actions
He didn’t perform at the level expected and was cut; I know he was brought in by one or two other teams and, during a medical for one of them, was diagnosed with an enlarged heart (the same condition that poor Gaines Adams suffered from).
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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Well from what I can see
around the net is that most Bear fans want Lovie gone (again) because he shows emotion….Cutler is a big cry baby who cant win (big games) should have kept orton and his pro bowl #s……
Pretty much 6 weeks ago only same thing…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on you in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
Charles Tillman
..apparently left the lockeroom on crutches…Zach Bowman next week? I hope so. He is struggling mightily.
This was from 670 the score btw
yah that is an interesting development if tillman is in fact injured
Tillman was slowly slipping down the ladder each game a little worse than the one before but this was his big fall. Guy will get a nickname like Toast if he keeps this up. Hope he isnt too injured however, he is a local boy.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can someone explain what these 'adjustments' they want Lovie to be making are?
I frankly would like to hear the braintrust that is WCG. The defence didn’t show up until the Third Quarter (again), the offence didn’t do much because they couldn’t get on the field, and when they did, weren’t that effective.
We don’t have to turn this into a ‘Giants’ game redux. We’re a bit smarter than that, and have already seen this happen. We got beat by the best team in football. Shit happens, yes, it should have been closer, but we got outclassed. Y’know what? The Jets, another top 10 team in football got outclassed, on a much nicer day than today, by this very same team.
Things happen. Some days you don’t show up and lose to the Browns. But really, this has been the only game the defence has been really blown out by? Correct? It’s one of the only games that we lost the T.O.P. by such a margin in the first half. How many 80 yard drives? How many times were we not able to stop the third down?
So, the Bears showed up defensively in 12 of 13 games, and you want to throw the coach under the bus because of it? Yes, the offence lays some eggs, but, defensively? this has been the only ‘real’ bad game they’ve had all season.
In the losses, it was the Giants (allowed 17 points), Seahawks (23), Redskins (17)…
The scheme works. Marinelli and Lovie work well with our defense. I’m actually flabbergasted when people think that ‘the scheme doesn’t work’ and that ‘the defense is awful, and the coaching is to blame because they’re not playing how i like to see it’. That blitzing is always the cure for lack of pressure. Football is not Madden nor NCAA Football. Football is execution and scheme. Our scheme got beat and our execution was bad. Our scheme has worked 90% of the games this year, has given us some of the top defensive stats… And you go blame the scheme when the Patriots put up 33? It’s execution. Now, who do you blame for said failures of execution? Part of it is on the staff, part of it is on the players. None of them looked like they wanted to be out there that first half. They looked stiff, slow, and my god the corners look bad. Missed tackles, huge holes in the zone, and bad reaction times? Watching the line get manhandled by a clearly superior line, watching the linebackers fail to keep their gaps and tackle. It was a gross failure on everyones part.
But you get back up, you put it behind you and you play better football. The offence did it in week 8. The defence will bounce back and play better these next few weeks. The offence will click better. Keep calm and don’t overreact.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 12, 2010 10:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Really need to lay off the coffee and booze. Sorry.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 12, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Four Loko is dangerous man
be careful!
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
No you're 100% right
The columnist are already back on their “lucky Bears” crap. I think a team that’s won 5 in a row and suffered their first blowout of the year to the best team in the NFL deserve a little better than that. OK they lost, move on. That’s really how I feel. The goal is to learn from this, get better, and try to get in the playoffs. Then if we face them again, worry about it then.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Tillman
to Safety? Finally a reason? OR just getting rid of him?
I feel like he plays corner like a safety. Its ridiculous how much space he gives the guy he covers. I know he’s never been physical or has ever been a bump and run corner, but does that mean he can NEVER bump who he’s covering coming off the line? I understand its part of the cover 2 as well to give space to underneath routes and not allow anything deep, but whats the use when you constantly give up the deep ball?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I always thought that 5 yard cushion was by design
I dont think Tillman has discretion on that one. But your right Tillman got beat short, long, and medium today. Dude is slipping and today was his offically outed as a weakness. Expect well coached teams to pickup on this and continue to exploit him down the stretch.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
like they have been doing since january 2005
he has no make up speed, and yes, he is instructed to have a cushion. He is a pretty good run stopper which is why he gets burned often (in the passing game), yet is still collecting paychecks.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Wait a minute
Tillman is getting old but the guy has lots of career INTS and ball strips which he is quite good at. This is the first season where I think he is becoming a liability, 2007 he more INTs than Barber and Hall who both made the pro bowl so lets not get too down on the guy.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yea but if him being a liability
is not being countered by strips or interceptions, then he can be exploited— a lot.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
yep
i’m a huge tillman fan, but the man is not an above-average corner anymore…at least not on a consistent basis. he’ll occasionally have the game where he shuts down a receiver (like johnson last week), but he’s basically good at 2 things: stripping the ball, and run support. the cushion he gives receivers is sort of by design, but the issue is he has no closing speed, so that pass is ALWAYS there. and, yes, great teams with great coaches will exploit the hell out of that. a better corner in that scheme would break up some of those passes. tillman gets to basically none of them. i’d be shocked if we didn’t draft a CB in the 1st or 2nd round this year.
by guy incognito on Dec 12, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I had been really pleased
with the play of Jennings and Moore this year, they have occasionally shown flashes. But I don’t think either can be a number 1 or 2 corner— they are plus players, but only if they’re the 3 and 4 cornerbacks on the depth charts.
I think the OL is a more glaring need, but seeing a guy like McCourty on Sunday makes you giddy to have young, first round talent on the outside
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
The Turnovers Really Killed The Bears
our players developed fumblitis and Cutler threw picks. Tom Brady is the best QB out there right now.
But there is a silver lining; I think we needed this loss, we were getting too overconfident and so losses like this (coupled with Green Bay’s loss still keeps us in the driver’s seat) puts the team back to reality and hopefully the Bears can bounce back from this and make the final push into the playoffs.
I agree an non-division non-conference loss is nothing to worry about
Unless we make the Superbowl and play these guys, then this game will be dissected another 1 million times over. 10 or 11 wins is a huge success for a team not expected to compete for this division, basically the season is a huge success.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 12, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Completely agree, most people weren't expecting the Pats to be above 9-7. Some were expecting less than that.
It really is a rebuilding year for the Patriots. It just meshed really well and Brady is playing some damn good ball.
That said, I’m sooooo happy the Raiders and Panthers lost today because we have the Raiders 1st round pick and the Panthers 2nd :P We really have holes left to fill on the lines of both sides of the ball.
I think he meant
the Bears 10 or 11 wins is a success, but your point stands too. Brady and Belichek do magic with players no one else would ever consider
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I blame the refs.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2010 10:23 PM CST reply actions
All this game really seems to prove so far, is that the Bears have serious work cut out for them in the playoffs.
Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume
by BearNecessities on Dec 13, 2010 3:14 AM CST reply actions
That wasnt so bad..
Take the 2nd qtr away, and we lost only 10-7! If we get only the 2nd half, we won the game 3-7!! Now seriously, if we could choose a game to loose on the final 4, this would be the one. next week we will guarantee our division lead and the playoffs.
by Claudio Oliveira on Dec 13, 2010 5:24 AM CST reply actions
re: "choose a game to lose... this would be the one."
Living in Boston, I have to disagree.
FIRE LOVIE.
Dude is going to get a free pass this season for good record based on games that could have gone either way, with the exception of a few stompings of bad teams and the excellent win against the Eagles that peaked my excitement.
What is with this team? Except the 05 and 06 seasons they’ve been bipolar: able to be embarrassed by any team and able to embarrass any team. Where’s the consistency?
The players have shown they can play well, right? Dominated the Eagles. So this is a direct indictment of the coaching staff, and it starts with Lovie. Get your guys ready to play and develop an appropriate gameplan.
PS – THIS IS THE SECOND WEAK IN A ROW THAT THE DEFENSE HAS ALLOWED A TD GOING INTO THE HALF. STOP THAT!
No stop this.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
He gets a free pass because of his record.
Because he just wins games?
Wait. WHAT?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 13, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
Dont Fire Lovie is doing a decent job.
FIRE ANGELO! He screwed this team for years
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
So... uhhh....
Bad day?
The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.
I did see the last minute of that game.
First, my mind boggled at the score, then I was hoping Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t put together some last minute magic, then I laughed when I saw Flynn in there. When time expired, I may have started dancing around the room.
The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.
by Robert Rence on Dec 13, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
cant argue with....
99-3
7 qtrs of football for the pats
how they have outscored team since thanksgiving 4th qtr
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 13, 2010 7:47 AM CST reply actions
They Are Who We Thought They Were
If you can’t win on your own turf in the elements and get your butts kicked that tells the whole story. The muffins of the midway ought to be ashamed and Lovie has got to go. A total lack of preparation. Belecheck was freezing balls to practice with while the muffins kept their buns warm. A total lack of preparation is a coaching problem.
The Jets have a coaching problem too.
They should look into replacing rex ryan.
AMIRITE?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 13, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Well at least they didn't put a forty burger on us
Now we have the Vikings to look forward to.
I must say that Bill Belichick is a genius, and the Patriots are really good, I mean, they blew out three of the top defenses in the league.
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