Grading Bears RT J'Marcus Webb Part 2
The offensive line of the Chicago Bears has had an up and down season to say the least. Through the personnel changes and position changes the big fellas have started to show some consistency. They're still not where they need to be, but they are clearly playing better than they were the first quarter of the season. Even though they've looked better as a group, one member of that line has continued to receive criticism. Rookie J'Marcus Webb. On Chicago radio, in the print media, and even here on WCG, I've seen people calling for his benching.
Back in week five (link will pop) I graded Webb's game against the Panthers. He graded a +40 out of 57 plays. It was his first start and I thought he played OK, but his youth showed and he looked lost on occasion. Since that game he's had some struggles, as all young players usually do, but now with nine games under his belt and coming off the disastrous Patriots game where no one seemed to play with any spunk, I thought this was a good time to grade him out once again.
As always I'll use the same basic grading system I know. A plus if he does his job, and a minus if he doesn't. I don't know specific assignments every play, but I'll make an educated guess. I'll spotlight a few plays.
+) The game started out promising for Webb, the first play from scrimmage for Chicago he pulled and engulfed the N.E. corner. He should have kicked him out, but the little DB went low so Webb plopped on him. Matt Forte cut up off the Webb block for a short gain.
+) On play two, they lined Webb up on the left side next to Frank Omiyale in an unbalanced line. Tight End Brandon Manumaleuna was on the wing also to the left, showing a pre-snap overload left. Manu motioned right, and the Bears ran that way. Webb engaged the DE and sealed him off long enough to get a plus.
- ) Play three and Webb's first mistake. He pulled like he did on the first play, but this time he let the DB go. It looked almost like he left him for the leading H-Back Greg Olsen, but the rule of thumb when pulling is first threat first. Maybe Webb was supposed to turn up and seal, but when he saw Devin McCourty standing there he should have kicked him out. McCourty made the tackle for a loss of two. On 3rd and 1 you don't let a guy run by you.
+) The first pass play came on the Bears next possession. On 1st and 10 the Bears lined up Omiyale over next to Webb in another unbalanced look. Cutler dropped back to pass the DE went towards Omiyale, Webb hit him and let him go looking for the OLB that stunted inside. Good recognition on the play.
+) Towards the end of the 1st quarter Webb had his first one on one pass blocking assignment. He was on an island with stand up DE Jermain Cunningham. He set up and stopped the pass rush, had a little slip, but kept his hands on the defender.
- ) On a 1st and 10 with 3:13 left in the half, Webb was late off the ball. It was just a split second, but noticeable enough. Roberta Garza pulled to the left, and my guess is Webb was supposed to block down. His hesitation allowed Eric Moore to tackle Forte for a 5 yard loss.
+) On a 2nd and 10 early in the 3rd quarter Forte was to Cutler's left and he took the hand off and ran 9 yards behind a good play by Webb. He crashed down then released to the 2nd level and sealed off a Patriot linebacker.
+) With just :32 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, Webb again showed good recognition on a pass play. On 1st and 10 Cutler threw deep and incomplete to Devin Hester. Webb helped down on Roberto Garza's man, then calmly picked up the stunting defensive lineman from the right.
- ) On the Bears first possession of the 4th quarter I gave Webb a minus, although the pass was complete and his man didn't get to Cutler. Webb setup beautifully as he has most of the game, but he let his man inside. Had Cutler held the ball for another split second he would have been hit. I'm a fairly generous grader, but I have a feeling Mike Tice would have been all over Webb for letting his man dip inside.
My general impression of Webb after breaking his play down was this kid didn't play like a rookie. He looked so much better in his pass blocking that he did the first time I graded him out. He moved his feet, he utilized a good hand punch, and he went low when he had to. Out of 45 offensive plays Webb only had 4 minuses. A +41 is really good for a kid in his 9th start. I was one of the people calling for Kevin Shaffer a couple weeks ago, but now I realize the Bears have to keep rolling with the kid at right tackle.
One other observation while re-watching the game is the Bears offense looked good in the 2nd half. Cutler was in serious catchup mode and forced those two picks, but the offense was moving the ball. The Bears just need to live with whatever rookie mistakes Webb makes, because he's more than capable of starting in the NFL.
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Nice breakdown.
Did Herman Johnson play at all? I didn’t really pay attention at the end of the game.
by boondock_saint812 on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM CST reply actions
I don't think so
I doubt if he’ll play at all this year. He has to get in better shape from what I understand.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks man
I really hope you’re right about him!
People are giving me the stink eye
when I tell them that game mighta been different if not for that third play. 3 and 2 and they run a sweep, made me wanna puke.
If Webb gets the block
or if Olsen was able to react quick enough to get him, the Bears would have got the 1st
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
That game might have been different, if it wasn’t for the first 59 1/2 minutes
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by touchdown bears on Dec 16, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I totally agree,
And then a penalty on Omiyale. Freakish fumble return for a TD. A plop by Webb, a fizz by Frank. Plop, plop, fizz, fizz.
The irony.
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I've been ambivalent about Webb...
he’s an OK RT and seems to be progressing each week. Even Omiyale has been good at LT, but not great. IMO, the interior line and TE/FB/MANU has been the problem in both the pass and run game. Kreutz is good at calling the O-line, but he’s been getting tossed about like a rag doll for a good portion of the season. CW is not bad, but not good at LG; mostly because he seems to lack the angry to be a good interior lineman. While I would like to see the Bears upgrade at tackle, I believe finding better interior linemen is paramount this offseason. I, like many here, would much rather see Manu on the bench and Dez in the game more often. I watched Manu in STL a few years back and I have never been overly impressed with his overall game. In all, Webb may not be the RT of the future, but I would be fine with him there if the Bears were able to upgrade at other positions first.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
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The Kid can play..
just dont forget he is a 7th round rookie.. he will improve, but need some time..
by Claudio Oliveira on Dec 16, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. Sometimes people really expect too much from a 7th rounder.
Most of our picks on the Oline the past few years have gotten cut or languished on the practice squad before getting cut. He’s huge, doing OK for a rookie and will get better. Besides, what else do we have at right tackle? Playing him now will play dividends next season. Get Herman Johnson in shape and maybe we’ll be able to run to the right side next season.
early reports from Tice
say he has Johnson learning RT
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how things work out on that side next year, if there's a season.
It’s still nice to have 2 physically huge, young O-line prospects for the foreseeable future.They’ve let the line get too old and lacking in talent these past 3 years. If they manage to clinch the division this weekend it’s time to give serious playing time to some of the guys like Levi Horn and Johan Asiata and see what they have as they rebuild this line for the future.
That is partially true
However Johnson is also taking reps at both LG and RG, Tice is simply trying him out in a few spots to see where exactly he would fit the best at. To me Johnson is EXACTLY what we need at LG; a BIG, NASTY physical freak of nature who eats D-Lineman and LBs alive and simply makes DBs want to retire when he comes down their lane. Plus in a cruel sense its extra motivation to Webb saying that either you continue to work your butt off or I will place this guy in your spot on every sunday till further notice. Anyways he along with Webb and the other young linemen all present Tice with multiple possibilities for the future.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Can we get a break down of a game not in the ice and snow?
The move I have seen Webb get beat on the most is the speed rush. He doesn’t seem to get out quick enough with a strong bunch to neutralize it.
I think we can agree that the field really neutralized the speed rush during the Bears/Pats game(see Peppers for us).
Just my two cents.
I graded out his 1st game as a starter
the link is up there in the 2nd paragraph, and here it is again POP
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I read that article when it came out
I meant get a grade of a more recent game(after he has had a few starts) to see if he is progressing. I know he did well Sunday, but the speed rush was taken out of the picture, so I don’t know if that helped his numbers for the Pats game.
Also, for future breakdowns, it might be nice to get the overall plus/minus as well as splitting up passing vs running plus/minus.
Also, as usual this was a great read! I always enjoy reading your write-ups.
the footing was just as bad for both Webb and the defenders
He only had 4 bad plays all day, and I highlighted 3 of then… I don’t remember if the 4th was on a pass or run.
Maybe I’ll grade him out one more time this year…
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Alot of talent....
There is a ton of talent coming out of some pedigry schools this coming draft year, we should be eyeballing some of the better players before Pittsburgh snatches them up!
Btw, why didn't the Bears wear the right cleats?
That might have been the difference. I know they changed to longer cleats at half time.
Great post
I really appreciate this kind of player breakdown, and would gladly read any and all posts that are similar.
thanks
this is my 2nd one for Webb, and I did C. Williams last year… I hope to do Olin Kreutz before the year is out
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Awsome read
Webb is getting better as he gets more snaps. And yes the Guards especialy need to improve their play fast. Herman Johnson doesn’t need to lose so much weight as he needs to be in football shape. I think we might see him in the end of the year, remember the playbook is enormous even for the linemen. And when he is ready to play, either at tackle ( wierd choice ) or guard he will be a dominate force. BIG AND NASTY is what he will finally provide to the O-Line
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions
Pro-Football Focus grade on Webb vs. Patriots
Bears RT J’Marcus Webb has graded as the second worst tackle this year, but posted his best game and first in the positive against the Patriots (+0.6)
Now you're going to give Wilt a big head with all that validation! :)
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by Ditkavsworld on Dec 16, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Impossible
I already know I’m a big deal.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
You mean unpossible and you do know the super fans
So you are kind of a big deal.
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by Ditkavsworld on Dec 16, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Nice analysis
I saw him do pretty well in pass-protection on Sunday (at the game), but also recognized the failed run plays where he missed his assignments. At first glance I believed it to be Olsen’s fault- just out of habit I suppose.
He’s better and more athletic than Shaffer, with an obvious upside where the latter does not. Keep him in there cause he’ll continue to get better. There’s no reason to stunt his growth at this point, cause he’s still their best option.
"He's a great candidate," Ryan said. "If I hadn't made him drop in coverage so often on running backs, he might be the all-time sack leader. They call it zone blitzing nowadays. We called it, 'Richard, pick him up.'" - Buddy Ryan on Richard Dent's HOF chances.
The lateral move
has been his weakness on outside speed rush, IMHO. I’m not sure what the stats are, but from what I’ve seen this appears to me his biggest deficit in giving up sacks. I haven’t studied him as well as you Lester. But, from what I read, he’s good at pull blocking (per your posts). With that being said, it takes good footwork to pull block and I believe some offseason corrective footwork and speed work and he’ll be fine. Great post.
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He has trouble, as most young big guys do, with the speed rushers. He needs to work on his balance when delivering the punch.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 16, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
And that comes down to footwork
You can’t really coach foot speed, but maybe Tice can coach him to be better prepared and counter the moves that DEs use to get around him. He’s obviously got the size and strength to pancake guys on run plays, and I think that’s what has Tice intrigued, the most.
I think Webb is skilled enough to play LT
But poor balance is indeed a problem. I’m still convinced that’s where he’ll be next season. Either way, it’s looking less likely we’ll be focusing on O-line day one me the draft. That’s not a bad thing.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Dec 16, 2010 2:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
j'marcus webb
I agree with Lester. Just needs more experience and he can’t get that sitting on the bench….he’s a 7th round draft pick…just making the team was impressive. With enough playing time, he should be a solid RT for years to come and we need some youth on the OL, guys like this are who we need to see in the game.
Thanks for taking the time to do this for us.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on how to improve the OL during the off season and draft.
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He's a big man and he's improving
I believe we we should have some patience with him because he could be good down the road.
It'll be interesting to see how he keeps developing and improving his game
into the playoffs. If we’re gonna advance, obviously we need this kid to really be consistent and keep getting better.
needs improvement
once/if Bears clinch playoffs, I hope they are able to stabilize OLine some more, because they will need it
Very good work Coach Wiltfong
I’m gonna remain patient with Webb. Much like many have said above, he’s got big upside and measurables. Webb only gets better with experience, so give him exactly that.
As long as Tice and Martz stick around for another year. I think this O-line will improve leaps & bounds next year. C.Williams, Omiyale, Webb, Louis, and H. Johnson are all young and talented enough, to allow Tice to mold them into a very good O-line. Like I said, just give them some time… and some draft prospects wouldn’t hurt either.
He does need more time but he can be good. I think the biggest issue is
with the interior and at the LT. Look Omiyale has played OK but if the Bears have a chance to pick a better LT in the draft then they should do it. Omiyale is a swing tackle at best so finding a healthy and an actually good LT like Sherrod or Costanzo should be priority as well as finding a new center to replace Keutz. Imagine a line with Sherrod/Costanzo, Herman Johnson, Kreutz/ or replacement, C. Williams and Webb. Maybe they luck into finding a better RG than Williams but if they play it smart… which I think Tice will do, they’ll find the right pieces and not only get younger on the line but get better. The new guys will gel together and then bam…. we’ll have an OLine for the next decade

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